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[Tassie]

Many thanks Smithy for the From Richard Barrow in Thailand blog.  Most illuminating.  This blog has confirmed my worst fears of Thai Immigration crackdown on permanent expats.
On Friday I got an unexpected visit by 2 Thai Immigration Police wanting to know if I was living at my registered residence, with my wife.  They asked me if I ever go on holidays.  I said if you look at my passport you will see that I live permanently at my address.  After having read Richard Barrows blog I think they were sniffing around for the TM 30. 
I currently live permanently in Thailand on a Non O visa based on marriage.
Each month I go to St. Mary?s hospital in Nakhon Rathchasima to see a medical specialist.  According to the strict interpretation on the TM 30 I should register a TM 30 form.  If this draconian outdated legislation is enforced then it becomes another hurdle for good and decent expats to jump over.
I am seriously considering selling my assets and moving to a country that respects good and decent expats.
Regards

[Starman]

How many nights do you stay in hospital? TM30 is the responsibility of the owner/landlord. I would doubt a hospital would file a TM30 for a patient. Therefore there would be no need for the owner of the house where you live to file one upon return.

Besides, Buriram immigration do not require a TM30 unless you have changed address.

[Smithy]

Confusion reigns in TM30 palaver
(From the Bangkok Post today)

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/special-reports/1732599/confusion-reigns-in-tm30-palaver?fbclid=IwAR1kS7bEn0R0UtfkJ4vDwLYtTK27Kz6RQDPsLj1xjbeNIMwqp7Kywk7iq3k

[Smithy]

I think once you have the Section 38 app on your Phone/Android device or even your PC to report is quite simple ( once you know how ,hence me starting this thread  )  . I know its a pain in ar** but that's the way it is !!
There have been reports of people waiting a long time for usernames and passwords ( I waited nearly 3 weeks ) but if you use the Section 38 app, fill in the registration and add you wife's /Thai partners House Book and ID card the password and username will come in time .
What seems to have pissed many long-term Expats Off is they have already given heaps of information over to the Immigration ( ie as my Opening Post) when in theory what they should be cracking down on is Hotels ,Guest House and Rental Home's that don't Report guest's ......not long term Expats that are living happily with there Thai Partners after having met all the Visa requirements .
Yes there are some Westerners that stay here illegally but when you see reports of Immigration rounding up illegals 95% or more seem to be from Neighboring Countries and any odd westerner they do find seems to make it to the front page of news sites.

[Tassie]

In my humble opinion, good permanent expats, are continually being pressured for multiple duplicitous information when Thai Immigration already has all the information they require on their computer system.
I smell a coat of racism worn under the outer Baht hungry starched t-shirt.
Regards

[Tassie]

The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.

3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.

4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.


The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents.  Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats.  Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards

[Starman]

The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.

3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.

4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.


The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents.  Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats.  Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards

A TM28 is only required if you change your permanent address. Leaving and returning does not need to be registered.

The TM30 is only required if you are away from your home for more than 24 hours.

Therefore, you need not take any action with regards to your trips to hospital in Korat.

[Smithy]

The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.

3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.

4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.


The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents.  Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats.  Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards

A TM28 is only required if you change your permanent address. Leaving and returning does not need to be registered.

The TM30 is only required if you are away from your home for more than 24 hours.

Therefore, you need not take any action with regards to your trips to hospital in Korat.

And as for Human Rights.....  Thailands Government pledges to develop measures to protect human rights defenders remained unfulfilled in 2018.

As for Expats Human Rights...I'm not sure if we have any 

I've lived in Thailand for 18 years and maried for 15. If I don't meet the Visa requirements I will have to leave , which would mean splitting up our family and the Thai Government dont seem to have a problem with this ....Rules are Rules 

[Starman]

The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.

3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.

4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.


The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents.  Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats.  Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards

A TM28 is only required if you change your permanent address. Leaving and returning does not need to be registered.

The TM30 is only required if you are away from your home for more than 24 hours.

Therefore, you need not take any action with regards to your trips to hospital in Korat.

And as for Human Rights.....  Thailands Government pledges to develop measures to protect human rights defenders remained unfulfilled in 2018.

As for Expats Human Rights...I'm not sure if we have any 

I've lived in Thailand for 18 years and maried for 15. If I don't meet the Visa requirements I will have to leave , which would mean splitting up our family and the Thai Government dont seem to have a problem with this ....Rules are Rules 

I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.

If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.

[Smithy]

I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.

If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.

Yes ..I'm not saying places like the UK are any easier but I'm sure after you have lived there with your wife for 15 years , she would have more rights than any Westerner in Thailand has .

[Prakhonchai Nick]

I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.

If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.

Yes ..I'm not saying places like the UK are any easier but I'm sure after you have lived there with your wife for 15 years , she would have more rights than any Westerner in Thailand has .

Having held PR for 30 of my 33 years here in Thailand, and having a Thai wife and 3 children raised here, I have no more rights than any other expat with a retirement/marriage visa/extension. The only benefit I have with PR is that I do not need to find/bank the large amount of money required to show immigration annually for a visa extension, and 90 day reporting and the TM30 rules fortunately do not apply to me. I have also in the past usually managed to bluff my way into national parks and the like for the Thai price, though that is something most expats can on occasions (not always) succeed with.

[CO-CO]

The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.

3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.

4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.


The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents.  Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats.  Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards

A TM28 is only required if you change your permanent address. Leaving and returning does not need to be registered.

The TM30 is only required if you are away from your home for more than 24 hours.

Therefore, you need not take any action with regards to your trips to hospital in Korat.

And as for Human Rights.....  Thailands Government pledges to develop measures to protect human rights defenders remained unfulfilled in 2018.

As for Expats Human Rights...I'm not sure if we have any 

I've lived in Thailand for 18 years and maried for 15. If I don't meet the Visa requirements I will have to leave , which would mean splitting up our family and the Thai Government dont seem to have a problem with this ....Rules are Rules 

I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.

If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.

I don't think it fair to use your Non O as a comparison.

Savannakhet are an exception to the rule and don't require evidence of funds/income.................. a better comparison is trying to get a visa from, say, the Thai embassy in London.

[Starman]

The United Nations
The right is enshrined in Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
1. Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.
2. Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.

3. The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those which are provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.

4. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.


The TM 28 is a gross violation of International laws protecting the free movement and personal freedoms of movement for permanent expat residents.  Only repressive regimes sponsor such draconian laws which grossly impede good and decent expats.  Good old Communism has raised its ugly head.
Long-stayers, including foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among other categories, must also report their whereabouts within 24 hours under another rule called TM28 when they stay at locations other than their registered primary residence, say when they visit another province, or when they return from overseas trips.
Technically living in Buriram Province and not staying but only a day visit to the St Marys hospital in Nakhon Ratchasima for medical treatment puts me squarely into the TM 28 category. If you leave the province and enter another province the TM 28 is required.
Regards

A TM28 is only required if you change your permanent address. Leaving and returning does not need to be registered.

The TM30 is only required if you are away from your home for more than 24 hours.

Therefore, you need not take any action with regards to your trips to hospital in Korat.

And as for Human Rights.....  Thailands Government pledges to develop measures to protect human rights defenders remained unfulfilled in 2018.

As for Expats Human Rights...I'm not sure if we have any 

I've lived in Thailand for 18 years and maried for 15. If I don't meet the Visa requirements I will have to leave , which would mean splitting up our family and the Thai Government dont seem to have a problem with this ....Rules are Rules 

I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.

If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.

I don't think it fair to use your Non O as a comparison.

Savannakhet are an exception to the rule and don't require evidence of funds/income.................. a better comparison is trying to get a visa from, say, the Thai embassy in London.

I wasn't referring specifically to the type of visa I use. More the methods that can be used to obtain one.

I can enter Thailand on a tourist visa. Put some money in the bank, convert to an O in Thailand and then extend. No need to leave.

[Smithy]

I wasn't referring specifically to the type of visa I use. More the methods that can be used to obtain one.

I can enter Thailand on a tourist visa. Put some money in the bank, convert to an O in Thailand and then extend. No need to leave.

It's a crazy world we live in where a Samalian Family can move the UK but an EXpat has to jump through hoops to live with his wife.
Do Samalian's have to go back home after 6 months and re-apply like a Thai wife has to ( rhetorical question )

[Smithy]

I'm taking my family to the UK. I and my daughter have British passports. My wife needs a visa. As the current rules stand, my wife will have to return after 6 months as she must apply for another visa.She must apply in Thailand. That means that our family will be split up for a time. The length of time depends on how long it takes me to me the criteria.

If I could get her a visa as easily as applying for a Non O and she then needed to report every 90 days, report when she returns from a trip, extend the visa (at a reasonable cost) every year and apply for a work permit to work, I would take that over the current UK system.

Obviouly you know more than me about this but .......On Key Visa it says

What is a UK Settlement Visa?

" A UK settlement visa allows you to live in the UK with your Thai partner as man and wife. The foremost criteria for this visa is that you have been legally married in Thailand.

When the settlement visa is awarded to your Thai wife it is a 2 year and 9 month visa which can be extended while still in the UK at the UKVI, without your wife having to return to Thailand.

The extension given after the 2 years and 9 months is normally another 2 years and 3 months making the stay up to 5 years, this is to prove you are a genuine couple and still in an ongoing relationship.

The visa allows multiple entries so that your wife can return to Thailand on holiday and to visit family.

What can your wife legally do in the UK?

A UK Settlement visa allows your Thai wife to work legally, obtain a National Insurance number, be eligible for National health care, sign on with your local doctor and do pretty much all the same things as an English wife would be able to achieve.

Your Thai wife cannot claim Government benefits including job seekers allowance which is actually stated on the visa as, ?no recourse to any public funds.? So as the UK sponsor, your job is to financially take care of your Thai wife for the duration of your lives together in the UK.

https://www.keyvisathailand.com/uk-visas/uk-settlement-visa/


I guess you are going back unable to meet the Settlement Visa requirements hoping to find work to meet the requirements at a later date !!