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Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: smoooth2 on July 01, 2014, 04:46:20 PM

Title: Army checking farang passports
Post by: smoooth2 on July 01, 2014, 04:46:20 PM
Last week I travelled on the NCA bus from Buriram to BKK. My girlfriend was with me.

At Nong Ki the bus was stopped by the Army at a checkpoint. Two Army guys came on board and checked all passengers for Thai ID's, or farang passports. No problem for me, as I had my passport.

The Army guy told my girlfriend that a farang was offloaded the previous day, as he had no passport to show them.

Not sure what became of him, but apparently the bus continued to BKK without him.

So ... just a little reminder to carry your passport if travelling any distance from home.

Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: davu on July 01, 2014, 05:50:55 PM
I showed ID, not passport, although I had it with me. three times driving to Chonburi and back, 3/4 June. Checking buses seems to be new.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: bart simpson on July 01, 2014, 07:14:41 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU3xyRY_9Vs&feature=kp
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: nookiebear on July 02, 2014, 09:48:08 AM
The Army checkpoint in Nong Ki has been stopping & checking all buses since the start of the coup....
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: nookiebear on July 02, 2014, 10:00:00 AM
Even a photo copy is not deemed to be acceptable......be warned
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: JimNasium on July 02, 2014, 10:56:03 AM
I showed my Thai drivers license - accepted.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: nookiebear on July 02, 2014, 12:43:49 PM
I showed my Thai drivers license - accepted.
You always seem to get treated differently to everyone else..........several farangs have been taken off the buses in Nong Ki for not carrying their passports.........they have to remain until the said passport turns up!
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Wayne from Aus on July 02, 2014, 12:46:04 PM
Thank you for the tip. I travel long trips with family and never take the passport with me. But I will in future. I usually take a photo of my passport and have it on my phone. But it isnt worth the risk
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: JimNasium on July 02, 2014, 12:55:24 PM
I showed my Thai drivers license - accepted.
You always seem to get treated differently to everyone else..........several farangs have been taken off the buses in Nong Ki for not carrying their passports.........they have to remain until the said passport turns up!

Just lucky I guess...
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Simon on July 02, 2014, 02:07:30 PM
I travelled to Bangkok in my car in the early hours of Monday morning, I was stopped at a check point in Nong Ki, where the clown in the army uniform ask for my passport,i replied I didn't have my passport with me but presented him my driving licence, a quick glance at the  licence and I was on my way.
What a complete waste of time.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: nookiebear on July 02, 2014, 04:33:27 PM
I travelled to Bangkok in my car in the early hours of Monday morning, I was stopped at a check point in Nong Ki, where the clown in the army uniform ask for my passport,i replied I didn't have my passport with me but presented him my driving licence, a quick glance at the  licence and I was on my way.
What a complete waste of time.
Its not a problem in a car/pickup...........only on the buses.....why??.....because the ones checking the buses have a few stripes the rest haven't.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: JimNasium on July 03, 2014, 11:01:49 AM
I was on the NCA bus...
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: nookiebear on July 03, 2014, 04:41:22 PM
As I speak there are two Germans sitting in the police lorry awaiting their passports to appear.........It would appear they have been there since 08-00hrs this morning
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Simon on July 03, 2014, 05:20:39 PM
As I speak there are two Germans sitting in the police lorry awaiting their passports to appear.........It would appear they have been there since 08-00hrs this morning
If only people would abide by the law, life would be so simple. screwy
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Nobby on July 03, 2014, 06:10:25 PM
As I speak there are two Germans sitting in the police lorry awaiting their passports to appear.........It would appear they have been there since 08-00hrs this morning
If only people would abide by the law, life would be so simple. screwy

Thai law says you must carry ID and NOT only a passport. Life is simple when laws are enforced correctly and not broken
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: urleft on July 03, 2014, 09:01:33 PM


Thai law says you must carry ID and NOT only a passport. Life is simple when laws are enforced correctly and not broken

Nobby, you have a link for that?   I would like to have it as backup. 

Thanks.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: davu on July 03, 2014, 09:25:53 PM
I was very definitely informed that I had to carry my passport at all times. I have never had to show it, I have a Thai driving licence which has always done the job, apart from when I visit immigration of course.
If you google 'carry passport ' you will find many references to the fact that you can be ARRESTED if the police officer doesn't like your face / thinks you have too much money.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Starman on July 03, 2014, 09:40:01 PM
Quite right.

Nobby is confusing the issue.

Thais must carry an ID card at all times. "Farang" must carry passports.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: nookiebear on July 04, 2014, 06:46:43 AM
Quite right.

Nobby is confusing the issue.

Thais must carry an ID card at all times. "Farang" must carry passports.
Exactly Starman......Which is why when you renew your passport you only have to send a copy not the original with your application.This only happens to renewals from Thailand not any other country in the world!!
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: urleft on July 04, 2014, 08:10:48 AM

Exactly Starman......Which is why when you renew your passport you only have to send a copy not the original with your application.This only happens to renewals from Thailand not any other country in the world!!

When I renewed my passport at the US Embassy in Dec, they kept the old one.   

Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Starman on July 04, 2014, 08:32:32 AM
That is not what Nookie is talking about.

If you renew a British passport from Thailand you only need to send a copy of your existing passport with your application. That is because the Embassy understand that the law of Thailand states that you must have your passport with you at all times.

If you renew from Singapore, for example, you need to send the original passport.

Nothing about keeping the old one. In actual fact the British embassy return old passports with the corners cut off. In Thailand it is the passport holders responsibility to cut off the corners when the new passport has been received.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: gotlost on July 04, 2014, 08:47:26 AM

Exactly Starman......Which is why when you renew your passport you only have to send a copy not the original with your application.This only happens to renewals from Thailand not any other country in the world!!

When I renewed my passport at the US Embassy in Dec, they kept the old one.   

I renewed my pp in March in Chiang Mai at the US Consulate At no time was I with out. They did not take it. When I returned to pick up my new pp (6 days) they canceled my old one. A for a UK pp ALL UK pp holders in Thailand must now go to Bangkok  in person to apply for and return in person to pick up their new pp. They retain their original pp until they have their new pp.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Nobby on July 04, 2014, 09:10:03 AM


Thai law says you must carry ID and NOT only a passport. Life is simple when laws are enforced correctly and not broken

Nobby, you have a link for that?   I would like to have it as backup.
Thanks.
post 114 is as concise as I have seen but nobody seems to be able to say yea or neigh categorically   

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/719631-passport-check-on-the-road/page-5

Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: urleft on July 04, 2014, 09:32:42 AM


Thai law says you must carry ID and NOT only a passport. Life is simple when laws are enforced correctly and not broken

Nobby, you have a link for that?   I would like to have it as backup.
Thanks.
post 114 is as concise as I have seen but nobody seems to be able to say yea or neigh categorically   

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/719631-passport-check-on-the-road/page-5



Thanks for that. 

However, I have over 50 years experience dealing with US and/or Foreign militaries.  If the checkpoint is ordered to verify foreign passports and restain those that do not have it, regardless of the law, rule, regulation, etc, you don't have a passport you will almost certainly be stopped.  Military are not police, they have different views, and during a coup it is not a good time to challange whether the military is violating the law.

So for the forseeable future I plan to carry my passport when traveling out of Buriram city.  A minor inconvience.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: candy on July 04, 2014, 09:58:16 AM
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Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2014, 10:09:12 AM


Thai law says you must carry ID and NOT only a passport. Life is simple when laws are enforced correctly and not broken

Nobby, you have a link for that?   I would like to have it as backup.
Thanks.
post 114 is as concise as I have seen but nobody seems to be able to say yea or neigh categorically   

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/719631-passport-check-on-the-road/page-5



Thanks for that. 

However, I have over 50 years experience dealing with US and/or Foreign militaries.  If the checkpoint is ordered to verify foreign passports and restain those that do not have it, regardless of the law, rule, regulation, etc, you don't have a passport you will almost certainly be stopped.  Military are not police, they have different views, and during a coup it is not a good time to challange whether the military is violating the law.

So for the forseeable future I plan to carry my passport when traveling out of Buriram city.  A minor inconvience.
A far greater inconvenience if you lose it I would assume.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Nobby on July 04, 2014, 10:21:23 AM
A far greater inconvenience if you lose it I would assume.

Each government will have advice but even with the full weight of ThaiVisa, nobody can come up with evidence if there is such a Thai law.

I carry a laminated credit card size copy of my passport, plus always have at least 3 driving licences/Thai tax card at hand but like already suggested, its the luck of the draw who you happen to meet. I think if I were going away from home for a couple of days, I'd take my passport to ease possible problems with the Army in this current time.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2014, 11:34:58 AM
A far greater inconvenience if you lose it I would assume.

Each government will have advice but even with the full weight of ThaiVisa, nobody can come up with evidence if there is such a Thai law.

I carry a laminated credit card size copy of my passport, plus always have at least 3 driving licences/Thai tax card at hand but like already suggested, its the luck of the draw who you happen to meet. I think if I were going away from home for a couple of days, I'd take my passport to ease possible problems with the Army in this current time.
Not saying you're wrong Nobby.
There are laws here of course, but the beauty here is that you can always pay your way out of minor infractions,it's not the end of the world.
Corruption is not a dirty word.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: toffo on July 04, 2014, 01:11:54 PM
You have to go to Bangkok to renew your passport now.. sending copies is not the way nomore... you turn up in person show your old passport then your allowed to keep the old one til the other arrives... Its all done back in the UK now.. so nomore Hong Kong, singapore or wherever.. Total x up thats why they have a massive backlog..
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: toffo on July 04, 2014, 01:22:09 PM

Exactly Starman......Which is why when you renew your passport you only have to send a copy not the original with your application.This only happens to renewals from Thailand not any other country in the world!!

When I renewed my passport at the US Embassy in Dec, they kept the old one.   



you dont have to go in person to pick it up.. You can nominate anybody to pick it up for you with a signed Declaration and ID from them..

I renewed my pp in March in Chiang Mai at the US Consulate At no time was I with out. They did not take it. When I returned to pick up my new pp (6 days) they canceled my old one. A for a UK pp ALL UK pp holders in Thailand must now go to Bangkok  in person to apply for and return in person to pick up their new pp. They retain their original pp until they have their new pp.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: toffo on July 04, 2014, 01:27:29 PM
For UK passports holders , you do NOT have to go back to Bangkok to pick your passport up.. you can nominate anybody aslong as you sign a Declaration  and give them the receipt to show...



Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Starman on July 04, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
You have to go to Bangkok to renew your passport now.. sending copies is not the way nomore... you turn up in person show your old passport then your allowed to keep the old one til the other arrives... Its all done back in the UK now.. so nomore Hong Kong, singapore or wherever.. Total x up thats why they have a massive backlog..

Quite right Toffo, and a complete cock up so far.

The point still stands though. A copy of your passport is enoughwhen applying in Thailand (Bangkok) where as your original passport is needed when applying in Singapore, for example.

Does the nominated person collecting your passport need to be a British national?
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: candy on July 04, 2014, 02:48:50 PM
No. And a non Thai national can collect on behalf of a Thai.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: toffo on July 04, 2014, 02:58:41 PM
A Thai person can pick up a passport for a British National.. My sister in law has just done it for me 4 weeks ago..
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Starman on July 04, 2014, 03:01:47 PM
Thank you. Nice to get first had confirmation.
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: toffo on July 04, 2014, 03:05:27 PM
It seems the HMPO are going back into the dark ages with this new system....  my passport arrived 2 days before my marriage extension had to be applied for again.. I was one of the lucky ones, many have lost their Holidays and lots of money.. Its a total shambles...
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Voodoo on July 04, 2014, 06:28:44 PM
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Thanks Candy... The UK hit the nail right on the head.. Everyone... Not just UK citizens needs to read and heed what's stated in that article...
Title: Re: Army checking farang passports
Post by: Voodoo on July 04, 2014, 06:39:06 PM


Thai law says you must carry ID and NOT only a passport. Life is simple when laws are enforced correctly and not broken

Nobby, you have a link for that?   I would like to have it as backup.
Thanks.
post 114 is as concise as I have seen but nobody seems to be able to say yea or neigh categorically   

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/719631-passport-check-on-the-road/page-5



Thanks for that. 

However, I have over 50 years experience dealing with US and/or Foreign militaries.  If the checkpoint is ordered to verify foreign passports and restain those that do not have it, regardless of the law, rule, regulation, etc, you don't have a passport you will almost certainly be stopped.  Military are not police, they have different views, and during a coup it is not a good time to challange whether the military is violating the law.

So for the forseeable future I plan to carry my passport when traveling out of Buriram city.  A minor inconvience.

Toally agree Urleft... Soldiers are going to follow orders... That''s what they're trained to do... For the time being, it would be very prudent for everyone to just carry their passport with them whenever they travel... I have 40 years of govt and military service and have been in and out of here a number of times during that period.. Go with the flow for now.. It's either that or you can test their resolve and take your chances on being sent back to your home country... The police are one thing but the military is not the group you want to play barracks lawyer with...