Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: davureborn on March 06, 2015, 06:13:59 PM
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Not really domestic, it was in the middle of the road actually. Driving home, I saw a motorbike stopped, 4 year old on the back, and a guy (Cambodian I think) holding a lady down to the ground and kicking shit out of her. I stopped and sounded the horn. He looked around, the lady escaped, but the kid was still on the bike, so she didn't go far. I thought ok, game over, and then he started again and she gave him some nice ones in return.
I thought my carcam was running, I realised that it wasn't. The two fotos I took just show a guy with his arms around somebody's shoulders. I reversed a little and sounded the horn again, showed the guy my camera, and he decided to vent his wrath on me. Didn't think about central locking, he opened the door three times, my granddaughter was screaming by this time and my wife telling me to get away, 'maybe he has a gun'. being a 'good driver' I didn't reverse quickly without looking in my mirror. Meanwhile the girl had run off to a neighbouring house and abandoned her child, maybe she didn't like being kicked.
So: no damage done to me, and further violence avoided, Question: if I had had a gun, how would that have changed my reaction? I ask this question here because I have a fair idea of who his pro- and anti-gun carrying here. I did think about my good old Swiss machete lying in the workshop while this was happening. Things just happen so fast and you just do what you have been trained to do (I was a life guard at one point, we got trained how to react when you see something on the road, which is why I stopped).
Maybe I was just stupid getting involved?
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Basic rule of engagement : LISTEN TO YOUR WIVE !!!!!!
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Yup. But I was listening to what I was trained to do, which is why I wonder about what would have happened if I had been a US police officer.
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This is Thailand, not the wild west.
If you want to get involved it is 'up to you'... but be prepared for ANY consequences.
Anyone 'getting involved' with their grandchild in the car is fookin 'idiot in my book..... whatever training they have had.
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Right, that's the kind of analytic, deep thinking response i was waiting for. Less of the 'fucking idiot' please, and tell me what you would have done if you had a gun in the car. Next..
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Buy some pepper spray and keep it in your car.. You can buy it at the little Taweekit .. There is a shop in there.. I would of put my car in reverse full lock and put him over the bonnet.. Better to be safe than sorry..
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US Officer is trained to use 0bserved force +1;
In this case:
Brute force + cuffs . . Probably not a guarantee of victim & officer safety
Baton . . Same problem
Pepper spray . . Wind, effectiveness . . probably preferred choice
Taser . Subject to aim, etc. . . Worth a try, but . . Again, not a guarantee
Gun . . Last, worst option; but also, possibly the best option
Split second to decide and act
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Oh and no point in using a gun unless you want to be locked up in a shitty dirty rat infested cell for along time.. Well done on stopping though
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This is Thailand, not the wild west.
If you want to get involved it is 'up to you'... but be prepared for ANY consequences.
Anyone 'getting involved' with their grandchild in the car is fookin 'idiot in my book..... whatever training they have had.
Agreed Coco.
This is not the wild west but could so easily become the wild north east.
I once heard someone say that they "felt safe here even though it can a dangerous place.
Get involved and people can find you. It is not difficult for locals to ask "where does the farang with the ......car live?
Then it becomes a mob situation.
As for the gun????? Go ahead. Shoot him. Farang v Thai in a court of law. No brainer.
Hard as it may seem....drive on by. What that man could possibly do to you and your family, people you love, could and probably would be far worse that what he did to a woman you don't even know. Harsh by true.
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Right, that's the kind of analytic, deep thinking response i was waiting for. Less of the 'fucking idiot' please, and tell me what you would have done if you had a gun in the car. Next..
I wouldn't have had a gun in the car... next.
You don't have to be a deep thinker to call someone for taking even the slightest risk with their grandchild because of a Rambo complex.
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This is Thailand, not the wild west.
If you want to get involved it is 'up to you'... but be prepared for ANY consequences.
Anyone 'getting involved' with their grandchild in the car is fookin 'idiot in my book..... whatever training they have had.
Agreed Coco.
This is not the wild west but could so easily become the wild north east.
I once heard someone say that they "felt safe here even though it can a dangerous place.
Get involved and people can find you. It is not difficult for locals to ask "where does the farang with the ......car live?
Then it becomes a mob situation.
As for the gun????? Go ahead. Shoot him. Farang v Thai in a court of law. No brainer.
Hard as it may seem....drive on by. What that man could possibly do to you and your family, people you love, could and probably would be far worse that what he did to a woman you don't even know. Harsh by true.
That is why I stand by my "fucking idiot" comment.
Tough love..... accept it or don't. It is not MY life.
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As a private individual with with a gun in the car . . No immediate threat of your life = no gun. What you did was good; plus call cops/911.
Lock the doors and blair the horn; be prepared for focus directed toward you. A second or 2 to decide.
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So would you just drive on and mind your own buisness if your saw a child being Raped or beaten...???
I doubt you would and it's not a different situation it's still could be the same guy..
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Buy some pepper spray and keep it in your car.. You can buy it at the little Taweekit .. There is a shop in there.. I would of put my car in reverse full lock and put him over the bonnet.. Better to be safe than sorry..
Yep. Pepper spry him. Shoot him or do what you want with him.
If you don't kill him then you are in the shit. If you do kill him you are in worse shit.
So you shoot him, ram him or whatever and he doesn't die.
He then gets you arrested. The woman involved has suddenly got a new description of what happened, probably under threat of the tosser that was beating her up. Anyone that is enough of an arse to do that in the first place is capable of worse. The story then becomes "the farang beat me up for no reason"
You lose every time. Like I said, it's harsh but you must move on by.
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Coco: Well there you go again. Rambo complex? What the hell is that? I was trained, and in an emergency situation you react according to how you were trained. My son was involved with a new appreciation of gun use in Switzerland and I learnt a lot from him. A police officer was killed in the States because he was picking up cartridge shells between shots, as he had been trained in the shooting range. I didn't think about the little girl in the back I'm afraid, I just saw a guy really getting into violence. With his little kid watching. As to his trying anything here in my village, he would not survive for long, too much family around.
I am proposing, in answer to the never ending discussion about guns on this forum, that if I had had a gun, things would have gone very wrong.
Edit: car cams can be useful if they are working.
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First class training there Davu.
Left the car doors open and didn't think about the little girl. Quality training.
You need to think alot about this.
You were driving a car. Plates can be noted and written down. You become a very big target.
No matter how many family members you have around they all sleep at night. Understand?
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So would you just drive on and mind your own buisness if your saw a child being Raped or beaten...???
I doubt you would and it's not a different situation it's still could be the same guy..
Yes I would.
Especially if I had my own family in the car.
My sense of outrage might overtake prudence if I was on my own.
Doesn't necessarily make it right but I accept natural instinct as an argument.
Regrettably, as Starman pointed out ... it is a no win situation and REMEMBER ..this is Farang vs Thai it is not Yank vs Yank or westerner vs westerner
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You would drive past and not help a girl who was getting raped and maybe killed?? What a sad world we live in.. I think both points are valid but I could never watch a child being attacked and then I runaway like a Gutless coward..
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You would drive past and not help a girl who was getting raped and maybe killed?? What a sad world we live in.. I think both points are valid but I could never watch a child being attacked and then I runaway like a Gutless coward..
Good for you Toffo.
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You've offered another scenario, Toffo.
The OP is talking about a woman being slapped.
But... in fairness the two could be looked at in the same situation.
At the end of the day the man would find you.
That could the lead to you seeing a woman that you love and cherish being beaten by a gang and maybe even a child you love being attacked.
CoCo did mention that if he were alone then "maybe".
His comment about "idiot" was because family were in the car and therefore in immediate danger.
Trust local instinct. Look at the OP and what Davu's wife suggested was the best course of action.
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Yup. But I was listening to what I was trained to do, which is why I wonder about what would have happened if I had been a US police officer.
If it were a US police officer he would have had no choice but to intervene.. Once the incident is in public and on the street they are obligated, by law, to intervene.. If the guy attacked him then it would be either a billy club or a taser shot.. Either way the guy would have his ass kicked and then be hauled off to jail.. If he had a gun and pulled it he's dead.. The cop will shoot you..
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Yup. But I was listening to what I was trained to do, which is why I wonder about what would have happened if I had been a US police officer.
If it were a US police officer he would have had no choice but to intervene.. Once the incident is in public and on the street they are obligated, by law, to intervene.. If the guy attacked him then it would be either a billy club or a taser shot.. Either way the guy would have his ass kicked and then be hauled off to jail.. If he had a gun and pulled it he's dead.. The cop will shoot you..
Indeed Voodoo. That is why it is a job for the police ....however good or bad they are.
I believe I have their number.
Only Charles Bronson is allowed to be a vigilante.
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Yup. But I was listening to what I was trained to do, which is why I wonder about what would have happened if I had been a US police officer.
If it were a US police officer he would have had no choice but to intervene.. Once the incident is in public and on the street they are obligated, by law, to intervene.. If the guy attacked him then it would be either a billy club or a taser shot.. Either way the guy would have his ass kicked and then be hauled off to jail.. If he had a gun and pulled it he's dead.. The cop will shoot you..
The above is assuming the incident occurred in the US... Here in Thailand my wife and I would have stopped too... If for no other reason a child was involved.. My wife would've been the first one out of the truck... again to protect the child.. We would both have intervened..
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This a a lose lose situation. No action you take will be correct for the law.
Based on what I have read I recommend the following:
Hit the scumbag across the head with a tire iron and drive on. Do not look back.
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Yup. But I was listening to what I was trained to do, which is why I wonder about what would have happened if I had been a US police officer.
If it were a US police officer he would have had no choice but to intervene.. Once the incident is in public and on the street they are obligated, by law, to intervene.. If the guy attacked him then it would be either a billy club or a taser shot.. Either way the guy would have his ass kicked and then be hauled off to jail.. If he had a gun and pulled it he's dead.. The cop will shoot you..
The above is assuming the incident occurred in the US... Here in Thailand my wife and I would have stopped too... If for no other reason a child was involved.. My wife would've been the first one out of the truck... again to protect the child.. We would both have intervened..
Again, a huge difference compared to a Farang on their own with kids.
The language is one factor.
Number one rule is do not jeopardise the lives of your loved ones for ANYONE.
Sure, make a noise, holler stand on your horn,. ....... but what if that gut does pull a gun ?
If that makes me a coward then I can tell you now that I would would prefer that to being a dead hero.
Some people think that those who dive in a swirling river/the sea to try and rescue a dog/child/whatever, and subsequently died, are heroes. Sorry, I don't see it that way and I doubt that their widow/parents/children/grandchildren would either.
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Yup. But I was listening to what I was trained to do, which is why I wonder about what would have happened if I had been a US police officer.
If it were a US police officer he would have had no choice but to intervene.. Once the incident is in public and on the street they are obligated, by law, to intervene.. If the guy attacked him then it would be either a billy club or a taser shot.. Either way the guy would have his ass kicked and then be hauled off to jail.. If he had a gun and pulled it he's dead.. The cop will shoot you..
The above is assuming the incident occurred in the US... Here in Thailand my wife and I would have stopped too... If for no other reason a child was involved.. My wife would've been the first one out of the truck... again to protect the child.. We would both have intervened..
Again, a huge difference compared to a Farang on their own with kids.
The language is one factor.
Number one rule is do not jeopardise the lives of your loved ones for ANYONE.
Sure, make a noise, holler stand on your horn,. ....... but what if that gut does pull a gun ?
If that makes me a coward then I can tell you now that I would would prefer that to being a dead hero.
Some people think that those who dive in a swirling river/the sea to try and rescue a dog/child/whatever, and subsequently died, are heroes. Sorry, I don't see it that way and I doubt that their widow/parents/children/grandchildren would either.
Lacking a "like" button again. +1
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This a a lose lose situation. No action you take will be correct for the law.
Based on what I have read I recommend the following:
Hit the scumbag across the head with a tire iron and drive on. Do not look back.
IN SPADES.. thumbup thumbup thumbup
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This a a lose lose situation. No action you take will be correct for the law.
Based on what I have read I recommend the following:
Hit the scumbag across the head with a tire iron and drive on. Do not look back.
It is not what I would do, but I can't help liking the positive reaction.
If anyone was looking for a Rambo approach, here we have it.
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This a a lose lose situation. No action you take will be correct for the law.
Based on what I have read I recommend the following:
Hit the scumbag across the head with a tire iron and drive on. Do not look back.
It is not what I would do, but I can't help liking the positive reaction.
If anyone was looking for a Rambo approach, here we have it.
Rambo? I am no f@@king Rambo. I have worked with real life Rambos, I was trained by Robert Howard (had personal talks with him): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Howard
Bob Howard was way more man than I will every be.
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This a a lose lose situation. No action you take will be correct for the law.
Based on what I have read I recommend the following:
Hit the scumbag across the head with a tire iron and drive on. Do not look back.
It is not what I would do, but I can't help liking the positive reaction.
If anyone was looking for a Rambo approach, here we have it.
Rambo? I am no f@@king Rambo. I have worked with real life Rambos, I was trained by Robert Howard (had personal talks with him): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_L._Howard
Bob Howard was way more man than I will every be.
Some things can just be left unsaid.
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Some things can just be left unsaid.
Exactly. And you should have thought that before you made your Rambo post.
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There is a thread going on a forum based not too far from here. The basic topic has become the behaviour of local in the villages. Talkin about drunkardness etc.
The general census is that there are good and bad every where. There are times when one must turn a blind eye regardless of how they feel. There are points that some people have enjoyable lives here and some have their lives turned to hell.
At the end of the day most people are talking about living with their family. THAT must be the most important thing.
To get involved in something that you shouldn't do could have detrimental results.
I have been in my village for many years. I generally get on very well with the locals. There are some people that are not too keen. That is nothing on me personally but more that I am an outsider. There are even some Thai people here that are looked upon differently because they don't speak the same Issan dialect.
We do occasionally have incidents in our village. Guns have been used but as yet only as a threat. Do I get involved? Do I f&^k.
That, I believe, is why I am in the forementioned group that have enjoyable lives here.
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I started a Thread here about Thai Shitheads, and I continue that belief, "you look at them like you are going to kill them they will leave you alone."
After 3+ years dealing with drunks, druggies, retrobates, etc. I have yet to have my stance proved wrong.
However, be prepared to back it up.
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I started a Thread here about Thai Shitheads, and I continue that belief, "you look at them like you are going to kill them they will leave you alone."
After 3+ years dealing with drunks, druggies, retrobates, etc. I have yet to have my stance proved wrong.
However, be prepared to back it up.
I prefer to speak to them in their own language.
Explain to them that now is not the time to have another drink but they are welcome back tomorrow.
I learnt that in the days when I worked in a pub in England. Don't piss a drunk man off. Keep him calm.
I have a couple of guys here in our shop right now. Their mate, who was quite drunk last night, and wanted more, has just left.He was very thankful to me for leading him home last night.
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Spot on Steve
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I started a Thread here about Thai Shitheads, and I continue that belief, "you look at them like you are going to kill them they will leave you alone."
After 3+ years dealing with drunks, druggies, retrobates, etc. I have yet to have my stance proved wrong.
However, be prepared to back it up.
I prefer to speak to them in their own language.
Explain to them that now is not the time to have another drink but they are welcome back tomorrow.
I learnt that in the days when I worked in a pub in England. Don't piss a drunk man off. Keep him calm.
I have a couple of guys here in our shop right now. Their mate, who was quite drunk last night, and wanted more, has just left.He was very thankful to me for leading him home last night.
My approach also worked for me in Panama in the 70/80's.
But if you way continues to work I will monitor.
My way is the big dog rules, good luck on your way.
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Me too,Urleft.
The big friendly dog.
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Me too,Urleft.
The big friendly dog.
Should be the big unfriendly dog.
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Me too,Urleft.
The big friendly dog.
Should be the big unfriendly dog.
I believe that would be the title for the one who "looks at them like you are going to kill them".
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Me too,Urleft.
The big friendly dog.
Should be the big unfriendly dog.
I believe that would be the title for the one who "looks at them like you are going to kill them".
Yup, that is me.
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Keith,
I must admit that a "stern look" from you would have me shaking in my bootees.....
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After 3+ years dealing with drunks, druggies, retrobates, etc. I have yet to have my stance proved wrong.
You have to be right every time and proven wrong just once. Good luck with your stance.
Mike
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Growing up in Detroit I tried friendly, being beat down in a stairway is not fun.
Since I adopted the kill look stategy, I have not been beat down in a stairway.
But I will admit there is a difference between a 16 year old boy and a tired old man with 3 combat tours in Iraq and 1 in Afghanistan.
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Getting back to the point, owning a gun legally in Thailand for most ( but not all ) people is for security, safety and peace of mind IN THE HOME. To have a gun in your car or about your person requires a second license, i.e. to ' carry a firearm '. It is very unlikely any foreigner as in ' non Thai ' would be issued a firearm license in the first place. If your wife or girlfriend has a firearm it is her that can use it, not the ' non Thai ' person. There are very serious implications here. A ' non Thai ' cannot even own a BB gun legally though you can buy them readily. As has been mentioned, get involved in the heat of the moment, wave a ' gun ' at a Thai and you are in for deep sh1t. All of a sudden, you are the criminal and when they inform the police anything they had done would take second place. Like Coco and several others, I'd find it hard not to get involved but a saying I like to keep in my mind is that every action creates a reaction. In the heat of the moment you jump out of your vehicle and intervene in whatever level you consider appropriate but then when you calm down and drive away ( or whatever ) what comes into your mind is what could now happen to you. Been there, done that and it changed many things for me and the misses.
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Getting back to the point, owning a gun legally in Thailand for most ( but not all ) people is for security, safety and peace of mind IN THE HOME. To have a gun in your car or about your person requires a second license, i.e. to ' carry a firearm '. It is very unlikely any foreigner as in ' non Thai ' would be issued a firearm license in the first place. If your wife or girlfriend has a firearm it is her that can use it, not the ' non Thai ' person. There are very serious implications here. A ' non Thai ' cannot even own a BB gun legally though you can buy them readily. As has been mentioned, get involved in the heat of the moment, wave a ' gun ' at a Thai and you are in for deep sh1t. All of a sudden, you are the criminal and when they inform the police anything they had done would take second place. Like Coco and several others, I'd find it hard not to get involved but a saying I like to keep in my mind is that every action creates a reaction. In the heat of the moment you jump out of your vehicle and intervene in whatever level you consider appropriate but then when you calm down and drive away ( or whatever ) what comes into your mind is what could now happen to you. Been there, done that and it changed many things for me and the misses.
There is no second license there is only one license and that license is fire arm specific and is also your concealed weapons permit. As you said the odds of a faring getting this license is slim to none.
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After 3+ years dealing with drunks, druggies, retrobates, etc. I have yet to have my stance proved wrong.
You have to be right every time and proven wrong just once. Good luck with your stance.
Mike
+1
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Getting back to the point, owning a gun legally in Thailand for most ( but not all ) people is for security, safety and peace of mind IN THE HOME. To have a gun in your car or about your person requires a second license, i.e. to ' carry a firearm '. It is very unlikely any foreigner as in ' non Thai ' would be issued a firearm license in the first place. If your wife or girlfriend has a firearm it is her that can use it, not the ' non Thai ' person. There are very serious implications here. A ' non Thai ' cannot even own a BB gun legally though you can buy them readily. As has been mentioned, get involved in the heat of the moment, wave a ' gun ' at a Thai and you are in for deep sh1t. All of a sudden, you are the criminal and when they inform the police anything they had done would take second place. Like Coco and several others, I'd find it hard not to get involved but a saying I like to keep in my mind is that every action creates a reaction. In the heat of the moment you jump out of your vehicle and intervene in whatever level you consider appropriate but then when you calm down and drive away ( or whatever ) what comes into your mind is what could now happen to you. Been there, done that and it changed many things for me and the misses.
There is no second license there is only one license and that license is fire arm specific and is also your concealed weapons permit. As you said the odds of a faring getting this license is slim to none.
Who is incorrect ? The Thai gun license for a Thai citizen does NOT permit you to carry your firearm, but that is in our area maybe not yours and probably would also depend on which way the wind is blowing on the day the gun license was issued.
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Getting back to the point, owning a gun legally in Thailand for most ( but not all ) people is for security, safety and peace of mind IN THE HOME. To have a gun in your car or about your person requires a second license, i.e. to ' carry a firearm '. It is very unlikely any foreigner as in ' non Thai ' would be issued a firearm license in the first place. If your wife or girlfriend has a firearm it is her that can use it, not the ' non Thai ' person. There are very serious implications here. A ' non Thai ' cannot even own a BB gun legally though you can buy them readily. As has been mentioned, get involved in the heat of the moment, wave a ' gun ' at a Thai and you are in for deep sh1t. All of a sudden, you are the criminal and when they inform the police anything they had done would take second place. Like Coco and several others, I'd find it hard not to get involved but a saying I like to keep in my mind is that every action creates a reaction. In the heat of the moment you jump out of your vehicle and intervene in whatever level you consider appropriate but then when you calm down and drive away ( or whatever ) what comes into your mind is what could now happen to you. Been there, done that and it changed many things for me and the misses.
There is no second license there is only one license and that license is fire arm specific and is also your concealed weapons permit. As you said the odds of a faring getting this license is slim to none.
Who is incorrect ? The Thai gun license for a Thai citizen does NOT permit you to carry your firearm, but that is in our area maybe not yours and probably would also depend on which way the wind is blowing on the day the gun license was issued.
Does in my area.
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Getting back to the point, owning a gun legally in Thailand for most ( but not all ) people is for security, safety and peace of mind IN THE HOME. To have a gun in your car or about your person requires a second license, i.e. to ' carry a firearm '. It is very unlikely any foreigner as in ' non Thai ' would be issued a firearm license in the first place. If your wife or girlfriend has a firearm it is her that can use it, not the ' non Thai ' person. There are very serious implications here. A ' non Thai ' cannot even own a BB gun legally though you can buy them readily. As has been mentioned, get involved in the heat of the moment, wave a ' gun ' at a Thai and you are in for deep sh1t. All of a sudden, you are the criminal and when they inform the police anything they had done would take second place. Like Coco and several others, I'd find it hard not to get involved but a saying I like to keep in my mind is that every action creates a reaction. In the heat of the moment you jump out of your vehicle and intervene in whatever level you consider appropriate but then when you calm down and drive away ( or whatever ) what comes into your mind is what could now happen to you. Been there, done that and it changed many things for me and the misses.
There is no second license there is only one license and that license is fire arm specific and is also your concealed weapons permit. As you said the odds of a faring getting this license is slim to none.
Who is incorrect ? The Thai gun license for a Thai citizen does NOT permit you to carry your firearm, but that is in our area maybe not yours and probably would also depend on which way the wind is blowing on the day the gun license was issued.
Does in my area.
Well there you go.....just remember when you travel with your gun that rules vary from one area to another. It wouldn't be too clever to get caught out.
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I may be wrong, but to me - in the above mentioned "private individual passing by" scenarios, the best weapon is the telephone; either talk on it or take video with it; or both. A private individual (farang) becoming physically involved is probably not a wise choice.
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Yeah call the police and they will come Tomorrow haha
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After 3+ years dealing with drunks, druggies, retrobates, etc. I have yet to have my stance proved wrong.
You have to be right every time and proven wrong just once. Good luck with your stance.
Mike
+1
Since I have been coming to Thailand, number of physical altercations I have been involved = Zero.
Word has it that at least one responder to this thread cannot say the same.
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Yeah call the police and they will come Tomorrow haha
Not in Buriram admittedly, but I have found police response times to be quite quick and a lot better than my home country!