Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: urleft on February 12, 2015, 11:51:45 AM
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I’m starting a new topic as there are several changes to the extent a new thread is required. However, there is some good information on the previous thread:
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7614.0.html (http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7614.0.html)
I successfully obtained a new retirement extension from KCI on 11 Feb. I put together a packet and it was complete as I could have made it.
So if you are going for a retirement extension, have the following:
· TM 7, printed on a single sheet front and back.
· Color Photo 4 x 6 cm (I already had mine attached to the TM 7)
· Passport
· Copies of all used pages from your Passport. Sign each page.
· Copies of house book, sign each page. I also had the house book but the agent did not check it. (even if apartment house book)
· Copy of House Book owner ID (front/back) signed by them.
· Proof of income. I have used a bank statement this time last year I used an US Embassy Statement. (note, money must be seasoned for at least 90 days (60 if 1st extension).
· Thai income form
· Stay Permit form. (updated version)
· Penalty form.
· 1900 baht.
Now if you are not leaving Thailand, this is basically it.
I am including a copy of the KCI Retirement Instructions. Forms Required (TM 7 can be filled in using word, the others require pen and ink):
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If you plan to leave Thailand, you might want to get a re-entry permit when you get your new extension. I get the multiple re-entry permit just for the convenience.
You will need to have:
• TM 8.
• Color Photo 4 x 6 cm (I already had mine attached to the TM 8)
• Passport
• Copies of all used pages from your Passport. Sign each page. Note that KCI will require a copy of the extension you just received, KCI should make that copy for you.
• 1000 Baht for single re-entry, 3800 baht for a multiple re-entry.
TM 8 attached, can be filled in using word.
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And if you would like my assistance in putting together the package, PM me for an appointment. I have all the equipment, forms, computers, scanner, printers, etc. However, I am NOT a visa service, I just gathered the information.
And secondly there will be a charge for printing and support, you show up with just a passport and house book and want a complete package (less income statement) it will not be more than 500 baht, you put together the package yourself and just need printing and copying, it will cost about 1 baht per page (just had an expat get charged 6 baht for his package).
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I’m starting a new topic as there are several changes to the extent a new thread is required. However, there is some good information on the previous thread:
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7614.0.html (http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7614.0.html)
I successfully obtained a new retirement extension from KCI on 11 Feb. I put together a packet and it was complete as I could have made it.
So if you are going for a retirement extension, have the following:
· TM 7, printed on a single sheet front and back.
· Color Photo 4 x 6 cm (I already had mine attached to the TM 7)
· Passport
· Copies of all used pages from your Passport. Sign each page.
· Copies of house book, sign each page. I also had the house book but the agent did not check it. (even if apartment house book)
· Copy of House Book owner ID (front/back) signed by them.
· Proof of income. I have used a bank statement this time last year I used an US Embassy Statement. (note, money must be seasoned for at least 90 days (60 if 1st extension).
· Thai income form
· Stay Permit form. (updated version)
· Penalty form.
· 1900 baht.
Now if you are not leaving Thailand, this is basically it.
I am including a copy of the KCI Retirement Instructions. Forms Required (TM 7 can be filled in using word, the others require pen and ink):
Very useful, thanks Keith.
Just one question; you mention Proof of Income but then make reference to a bank statement and seasoning - presumably you evidenced money in the bank (with a bank letter?).
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Very useful, thanks Keith.
Just one question; you mention Proof of Income but then make reference to a bank statement and seasoning - presumably you evidenced money in the bank (with a bank letter?).
I went to Bangkok Bang and got a "To Whom it May Concern" letter, took about 10 minutes and cost 100 baht. I also provided copies of the bank book which I made sure I got lastest entry (10 Feb) day before I went to KCI.
I read somewhere to get a bank letter, the agent checked the letter so I assume it is needed.
And your welcome, glad to help.
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BTW, I should have added this link to the Thailand Immigration Forms in my 1st post:
http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=download
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I am in the process of helping a guy and noticed that while I specify the "Thai Income Form" as required, I did not provide a single blank copy (it is included in the KCI instructions).
So here it a PDF copy.
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Thanks for all the good info Keith.. Will be doing my extension around the end of June.. Will follow the instructions, carefully, and let you know how things go.. We'll also see what new wrinkles immigration throws into the system, if any.. You know the drill.. All depends upon the day and who's sitting behind the desk...
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Just out of curiosity, what is that Thai Income form for ? Is it for income you receive in Thailand or .... ?
Thx
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Just out of curiosity, what is that Thai Income form for ? Is it for income you receive in Thailand or .... ?
Thx
It look to me like a rollup of your income and converts your counties currency in Baht. So most of the form is completed by the agent.
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Funny I was just looking at that, having the wife translate. Looks like admin removed the original attachment, is that because the latest attachment is the latest edition of the form?
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I hadn't noticed that. Might have been part of his trying to get space recently when the site was down. However, thanks, I was wondering why it was not attached, I am usually very thorough.
But I used the same form provided by KCI instructions.
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That form called in thai บันทึกคำให้การของคนต่างด้าวกรณีขออยู่ต่อเพื่อใช้ชีวิตบั้นปลาย or "record of foreigners in the instance of extending their stay for living out the end of their life" does show under section 2 that you can show funds either by pension or social security without going with banked money.
I just wonder if immigrations up in your neck of the woods accepts the 'notarized embassy letter' as a stand alone proof or if you must show additional paperwork like pension statements, deposits in your bank from your home country?
To be completely honest, there is NO requirement in the Police Order concerning extensions of stay that a foreigner has to transfer a single baht into this country IF they meet the financial requirements via the 'embassy letter' route. However, some renegade offices like Nong Khai and the one in the new province Bueng Kan have signage stating you must show proof of transferring 65K into the country each month if you use the 'embassy letter'.. That's totally a made up rule and I've called the head of Division 4 in Bangkok about it. As yet it's unresolved..
In Bangkok we fill out the penalties of overstay form (BTW; it's totally b/s, because in order for the overstay penalties to change they have to be voted on by the parliament, immigrations doesn't have the power to change them) and we also fill out that "Acknowledgement of Terms & Conditions" form too.
The sad thing is because you can't download them it, slows the entire process down as people fill them out at the desk while they're getting their extension of stay. It really log jams Bangkok, dunno how it affects the offices up country..
Good info..
Strange that for an extension of stay based on being over 50 they require a house book. It's the thai who owns the place you live in who bears the responsibility of reporting they have a foreigner staying there NOT the foreigner living there.
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In Feb 2013 KCI accepted my Embassy stamped document as a standalone with no further income requirements. However there were reports in the previous dummy thread that KCI wants to show money being moved into Thailand such as ATM receipts. But I have not personally experienced that yet.
However, when I look at what my embassy requires to get a marriage visa and what Thailand requires, Thailand is easy. So I just try to make sure I have all the acceptable docs.
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I went to KCI today and following Keith's list I took the following:-
So if you are going for a retirement extension, have the following:
· TM 7, printed on a single sheet front and back.
· Color Photo 4 x 6 cm (I already had mine attached to the TM 7)
· Passport
· Copies of all used pages from your Passport. Sign each page.
· Copies of house book, sign each page. I also had the house book but the agent did not check it. (even if apartment house book)
· Copy of House Book owner ID (front/back) signed by them.
· Proof of income. I have used a bank statement this time last year I used an US Embassy Statement. (note, money must be seasoned for at least 90 days (60 if 1st extension).
· Thai income form
· Stay Permit form. (updated version)
· Penalty form.
- Immigration income form
· 1900 baht.
It was useful being able to will the TM7 (and TM8) as a Word document.
I used the income method and presented an embassy letter date February. I was not asked for any supporting paperwork (I had loads available) nor was I asked to show money in and out (I had Kasikorn bank statements).
I also handed over a signed copy of the missus' tabien ban and ID card. I had other documents confirming address but they seem to take comfort from having something signed by your partner!
I didn't fill in the 'Thai income' form. I just Put my name on the top, signed it and the IO completed the rest. When I got home I got my missus to translate it ready for next year and she said that it refers to government pension/social security?
I signed copies of ALL 'used' passport pages, although the guidelines say only those having visa/extension/last entry stamp on
I handed over 2,000 Baht and said 'mai ow' to the change. I received a wai for that. :)
I was aware from Got Lost that KCI no longer offered a copying service (that was hit and miss because in the best I have had to get copies from the shop over the road from KCI). I asked if it would be possible for the new extension etc to be photocopied. The reply was "I will help you..." He duly did.
For the re-entry permit:-
• TM 8.
• Color Photo 4 x 6 cm (I already had mine attached to the TM 8)
• Passport
• Copies of all used pages from your Passport. Sign each page. Note that KCI will require a copy of the extension you just received, KCI should make that copy for you.
• 1000 Baht for single re-entry, 3800 baht for a multiple re-entry.
I arrived at 10.58 and left at 11.57. Frankly, it could have been done in 40 mins if the IO did not divert himself by talking to colleagues, answering the phone and flicking endlessly through the application and passport. They were quiet, he was in no hurry.
I called in at Ban Kruat on the way home and was told (3rd hand) that someone with a Jomtien extension was refused 90 day reporting this week - even with having a yellow book.
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Great for you Ray. Glad everything worked. I really appreciate your feedback as I will use it for my next extension.
What is noteworthy here is that KCI made copies for his extension.
So be Nice, KCI might take care of you.
As opposed to the F@@King USA Embassy.
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I handed over 2,000 Baht and said 'mai ow' to the change. I received a wai for that. :)
I was aware from Got Lost that KCI no longer offered a copying service (that was hit and miss because in the best I have had to get copies from the shop over the road from KCI). I asked if it would be possible for the new extension etc to be photocopied. The reply was "I will help you..." He duly did.
I bet those two events are directly related. Seems like a good approach to hand over the 2000 Baht instead of exact change.
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I handed over 2,000 Baht and said 'mai ow' to the change. I received a wai for that. :)
I was aware from Got Lost that KCI no longer offered a copying service (that was hit and miss because in the best I have had to get copies from the shop over the road from KCI). I asked if it would be possible for the new extension etc to be photocopied. The reply was "I will help you..." He duly did.
I bet those two events are directly related. Seems like a good approach to hand over the 2000 Baht instead of exact change.
Funnily enough Keith, as part of my preparation I had exactly 1,900 Baht paper clipped to the TM7 application and 4,000 Baht clipped to the TM8. I had intended to leave 200 tip from the change from the reentry permit 3,800 Baht.The guy who served me held it and spoke to a colleague (probably, "this tight git has only given the exact money".).
When he moved away from his desk I changed it to 2,000 Baht. After helping me with the photocopying I was happy to leave another 200 Baht - more than I would normally do but I appreciated not being sent to the copy shop on the main road.
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I handed over 2,000 Baht and said 'mai ow' to the change. I received a wai for that. :)
I was aware from Got Lost that KCI no longer offered a copying service (that was hit and miss because in the best I have had to get copies from the shop over the road from KCI). I asked if it would be possible for the new extension etc to be photocopied. The reply was "I will help you..." He duly did.
I bet those two events are directly related. Seems like a good approach to hand over the 2000 Baht instead of exact change.
Funnily enough Keith, as part of my preparation I had exactly 1,900 Baht paper clipped to the TM7 application and 4,000 Baht clipped to the TM8. I had intended to leave 200 tip from the change from the reentry permit 3,800 Baht.The guy who served me held it and spoke to a colleague (probably, "this tight git has only given the exact money".).
When he moved away from his desk I changed it to 2,000 Baht. After helping me with the photocopying I was happy to leave another 200 Baht - more than I would normally do but I appreciated not being sent to the copy shop on the main road.
Wife handed over 2,000 baht and the IO handed back a receipt and 100 baht.
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That is maybe the smartest way to avoid the teamoney, let your wive hand over the money. They will not tip the officer, rather keep the money for themselves !!!!
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I handed over 2,000 Baht and said 'mai ow' to the change. I received a wai for that. :)
I was aware from Got Lost that KCI no longer offered a copying service (that was hit and miss because in the best I have had to get copies from the shop over the road from KCI). I asked if it would be possible for the new extension etc to be photocopied. The reply was "I will help you..." He duly did.
I bet those two events are directly related. Seems like a good approach to hand over the 2000 Baht instead of exact change.
Funnily enough Keith, as part of my preparation I had exactly 1,900 Baht paper clipped to the TM7 application and 4,000 Baht clipped to the TM8. I had intended to leave 200 tip from the change from the reentry permit 3,800 Baht.The guy who served me held it and spoke to a colleague (probably, "this tight git has only given the exact money".).
When he moved away from his desk I changed it to 2,000 Baht. After helping me with the photocopying I was happy to leave another 200 Baht - more than I would normally do but I appreciated not being sent to the copy shop on the main road.
Wife handed over 2,000 baht and the IO handed back a receipt and 100 baht.
I am sure they did, you have greased them with enough free coffees over the years ! :P
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Funnily enough Keith, as part of my preparation I had exactly 1,900 Baht paper clipped to the TM7 application and 4,000 Baht clipped to the TM8. I had intended to leave 200 tip from the change from the reentry permit 3,800 Baht.The guy who served me held it and spoke to a colleague (probably, "this tight git has only given the exact money".).
When he moved away from his desk I changed it to 2,000 Baht. After helping me with the photocopying I was happy to leave another 200 Baht - more than I would normally do but I appreciated not being sent to the copy shop on the main road.
After having lived by US rules where bribes are illegal (but Ted Kennedy can get away with murdering his GF) and being in Thailand where you can pay 200 baht to avoid a traffic fine, I'll take Thailand.
Yes we should not have to pay extra. However, if I can pay an extra 300 baht at KCI to get my extension and everything goes smoothly to include them making copies for me, I will gladly pay that every time.
It is worth it to me. Having been an inspector of GVT paperwork, you can almost always find something wrong.
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I was just contacted by an Expat that I helped to get his first retirement Extension "visa". he was approved without a residence check at KCI. He said that he was glad he talked to me first.
So my 100% success rate continues.
EXPATS, you can do it on you own.
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I was just contacted by an Expat that I helped to get his first retirement Extension "visa". he was approved without a residence check at KCI. He said that he was glad he talked to me first.
So my 100% success rate continues.
EXPATS, you can do it on you own.
This is the second one that has ben confirmed but unfortunately there still given out under consideration for retards. So don't be to over confident. :P
BTW had it confirmed that a retard from Phang nga Immigration was able to do a 90 day report at KCI this past week. Who knows , it may have been luck or maybe they could be changing.
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My retirement extension and 90 days are due on the 7 Sept, this will be my fifth extension,never had any problems
with paper work, if i get under consideration stamped in my passport, will is make me a Retard. party13
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My retirement extension and 90 days are due on the 7 Sept, this will be my fifth extension,never had any problems
with paper work, if i get under consideration stamped in my passport, will is make me a Retard. party13
It will be interesting to hear about your visit next month. Hoping for the best. bananadance
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My retirement extension and 90 days are due on the 7 Sept, this will be my fifth extension,never had any problems
with paper work, if i get under consideration stamped in my passport, will is make me a Retard. party13
You never know with Gotlost if he means retard/retired or Form/Forum or Thinks/Thanks, but as long as there is no red squiggly line underneath he knows he's spelled it right :biggrin:
Keep up the good work Gotlost ,you always brighten my day thumbup
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Well today was 90 day and retirement extension day,arrived at 10:30am entered the building and was going to turn right, but was called to a desk to the left by a young lady, was asked for my passport she look through it, and then gave my wife three forms for me to fill in, wildman the first was some questions, of what was already on the TM 7, 2nd asking if i understood what would happen if i overstayed, 3rd again name, age,ext, ext, so with this done, gave her the papers back, now she wants the TM7 and all the photocopies i had already, i also had copies of all pages in my bank book, and departure card, she puts them all in order then stamps everyone over my signature. OK no, tells my wife to go to copy shop, get copy all, me told go get 90 day in room, im in room to the right as last, redman only two people waiting, got the 90 day ,and was asked to go take a seat, my wife came back with all the photocopies, was called up again and with all the paper checked, guess what, Under Consideration, i think we all know what will happen next. Visit in the next week or two. bananadance
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Forgot to say finished at 11:45, the only people in the room to the right were 3 immigration officers watching tv, out in the foya were about 4 or 5 couples waiting to see the young lady at the desk.no breckfast at gotlost place yet. wave1.
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Well today was 90 day and retirement extension day,arrived at 10:30am entered the building and was going to turn right, but was called to a desk to the left by a young lady, was asked for my passport she look through it, and then gave my wife three forms for me to fill in, wildman the first was some questions, of what was already on the TM 7, 2nd asking if i understood what would happen if i overstayed, 3rd again name, age,ext, ext, so with this done, gave her the papers back, now she wants the TM7 and all the photocopies i had already, i also had copies of all pages in my bank book, and departure card, she puts them all in order then stamps everyone over my signature. OK no, tells my wife to go to copy shop, get copy all, me told go get 90 day in room, im in room to the right as last, redman only two people waiting, got the 90 day ,and was asked to go take a seat, my wife came back with all the photocopies, was called up again and with all the paper checked, guess what, Under Consideration, i think we all know what will happen next. Visit in the next week or two. bananadance
So you needed 2 copies of all docs for an extension based on retirement???
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Well today was 90 day and retirement extension day,arrived at 10:30am entered the building and was going to turn right, but was called to a desk to the left by a young lady, was asked for my passport she look through it, and then gave my wife three forms for me to fill in, wildman the first was some questions, of what was already on the TM 7, 2nd asking if i understood what would happen if i overstayed, 3rd again name, age,ext, ext, so with this done, gave her the papers back, now she wants the TM7 and all the photocopies i had already, i also had copies of all pages in my bank book, and departure card, she puts them all in order then stamps everyone over my signature. OK no, tells my wife to go to copy shop, get copy all, me told go get 90 day in room, im in room to the right as last, redman only two people waiting, got the 90 day ,and was asked to go take a seat, my wife came back with all the photocopies, was called up again and with all the paper checked, guess what, Under Consideration, i think we all know what will happen next. Visit in the next week or two. bananadance
So you needed 2 copies of all docs for an extension based on retirement???
Looks like Immigration wanted an extra copy with their stamp on.
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The hardest working employee at KC is now the lady in the foyer. Apparently it's her job to vet every applicant walking through the door ... and their paperwork.
It's a ridiculous situation. The foyer has 1 bench seat that can seat 2-3 people. There were 10 people standing around the day I visited.
There is no numbering system, so nobody knows "who is next".
There's absolutely no privacy, so you've always got some nobody (another applicant), either sitting next to you at the table, or peering over your shoulder, happily reading all your private docs.
Then ... the phone rings ... and everything grinds to a halt for 10mins whilst she yaks away.
Then ... yipee ... it's your turn. No .... some local that walked through the door 20mins after you immediately sits at the table and jumps a 10 person queue.
Phwrrrr ... it's a hell of a way to run a busy Immi Centre.
I'm not really critical of the hard working lass. She knows what she is doing and is very efficient and pleasant. Just seems to me that she could do with some helpers.
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Smoooth2 Very good post, i will second that,
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My wife got a phone call today, to say that Immigration will come tomorrow, they told her they wanted photocopies of ID card and house book of head, and second head of village, also mentioned that they would need some petrol money as they will be useing own
car, didnt say how much, i've nothing so its no problem. Posted a bit late no power since 1pm. bananadance
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My wife got a phone call today, to say that Immigration will come tomorrow, they told her they wanted photocopies of ID card and house book of head, and second head of village, also mentioned that they would need some petrol money as they will be useing own
car, didnt say how much, i've nothing so its no problem. Posted a bit late no power since 1pm. bananadance
I think that has entered into the screwing zone.
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Well that was no big deal, Immigration came at 8;45, with laptop and printer, they asked for Passport, Bank Book, Marriage documents,
asked for proof of income from Embassy i told him i use 800000 in Bank, he still seemed to want some kind of proof of income i gave last months English Bank Statement, that was OK, the village head man, and second head were present, and filled in some paper work, i wasn't asked anything else, the guy on the laptop typing all the time, then some printouts, marriage papers, and affidavit papers, which i had to sign, and that was that, was told if i get caught drinking and driving i will go to court, they left at 10:00, they didn't asked for any money but i gave some,
Two very nice guys, my wife told me after that any Falang that cause problems in the village they live, or beats there Wife will be deported, that's what they told her. redman
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Sounds about right.. Sounds about the same as what the wife and I went through when they interviewed us.. Except for something to drink (non alcohol) we didn't give them anything and they never asked for anything.. Glad to hear that things went well for you..
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Well that was no big deal, Immigration came at 8;45, with laptop and printer, they asked for Passport, Bank Book, Marriage documents,
asked for proof of income from Embassy i told him i use 800000 in Bank, he still seemed to want some kind of proof of income i gave last months English Bank Statement, that was OK, the village head man, and second head were present, and filled in some paper work, i wasn't asked anything else, the guy on the laptop typing all the time, then some printouts, marriage papers, and affidavit papers, which i had to sign, and that was that, was told if i get caught drinking and driving i will go to court, they left at 10:00, they didn't asked for any money but i gave some,
Two very nice guys, my wife told me after that any Falang that cause problems in the village they live, or beats there Wife will be deported, that's what they told her. redman
Just had a chat with Bonghead about an eventful day that he has had today. It is a bit long winded so I offered to post this on his behalf.
Just prior to immigration departing from his home yesterday they reminded him of the need to register at the local police station.
This morning he and his wife went to Lamplaimat police station to register. They said they cannot do it and that they would have to go to Buriram. That they did. Bonghead now has a nice letter from the police confirming that he lives where he says he does. This was made all the easier as one of the officers involved lives in the same area and so knew the family.
Upon leaving the police station the police told of a new requirement for 90 day reporting at immigration. It was said that it is now necessary to go to the police station to get a proof of residence prior to going to immigration to report ninety days. This has come from the top. The officer who told Bonghead of this requirement is the boss of the department that deals with expats. He said "new orders".
This leads to some obvious questions.
Has anyone else been told this?
Does this mean that 90 day online is going to be suspended?
Is this as of now? Are there going to be people going to immigration only to be told to go and get the letter and return the next day?
Is it national or local to Kap Cheung?
Anyone??????
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I can see me having more overseas trips - and making sure I time them every 90 days.
I might as well go back to having a Non-Imm 'O' visa.
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While reading Starman's post about Bonghead's adventures I had a really weird experience - I feel sure I could hear the theme from the Benny Hill Show.....
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Have not heard anything like that in Kap Choeng. Sounds like a local thing. BUUUUUT will keep my hearing aid on. :biggrin:
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Interesting.. I guess I'll find out in a few more weeks when I try to do my first online 90 day report.. Think I'll just make a little trip down to the Ampur and my local cop shop and see what they know.. I'll also find out how much weight my yellow book carries.. That's supposed to be my CR.. And the beat goes on.. Stay tuned..
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I did a 90 report online a week ago, and was approved.
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I did a 90 report online a week ago, and was approved.
The police officer implied that it was very recent.
Bearing in mind that the border runs were halted on 13th I would imagine that this might have been about the same time.
TiT. Let's see what happens.
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I did a 90 report online a week ago, and was approved.
The police officer implied that it was very recent.
Bearing in mind that the border runs were halted on 13th I would imagine that this might have been about the same time.
TiT. Let's see what happens.
Yep. My next requirement is to renew my retirement extension end of next month. Do they reset the 90 days then?
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I did a 90 report online a week ago, and was approved.
The police officer implied that it was very recent.
Bearing in mind that the border runs were halted on 13th I would imagine that this might have been about the same time.
TiT. Let's see what happens.
Yep. My next requirement is to renew my retirement extension end of next month. Do they reset the 90 days then?
No. Extensions of stay and 90 days are not tied. They may offer you the chance to align them.
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Keith, Guys.......a quick question. Im updating my paperwork for my next retirement extension which is due in December. On the TM7 it requires the date entered Thailand. i went to the UK in September this year. on the form do i enter the date i returned from the UK this year or do i use the original date that i came here to retire in 2014. Many thanks in advance
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Keith, Guys.......a quick question. Im updating my paperwork for my next retirement extension which is due in December. On the TM7 it requires the date entered Thailand. i went to the UK in September this year. on the form do i enter the date i returned from the UK this year or do i use the original date that i came here to retire in 2014. Many thanks in advance
All ways us the enter date on your latest TM7.
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thanks mate but sorry, i don't understand your answer. do i use the date i re-entered after my visit to UK in September this year or the date i came to live in Thailand September 2014.
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The last date you entered.
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Cheers. Appreciated.
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thanks mate but sorry, i don't understand your answer. do i use the date i re-entered after my visit to UK in September this year or the date i came to live in Thailand September 2014.
You use the date thats on your TM 7. Don't care if you came in form the UK or a land crossing. You should only have one TM7 in your passport and it will be from the last time you entered Thailand. Thats the date you use. :o
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Gotlost.....Do you mean my TM6 Departure Card. TM7 is the actual application form to extend stay.
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Gotlost.....Do you mean my TM6 Departure Card. TM7 is the actual application form to extend stay.
You are correct. TM 6. Every time you depart Thailand immigration is to remove the departure side of your TM 6 BUT sometimes they forget. When you reenter Thailand at any crossing and yes an airport is considered a crossing a new TM 6 must be filled out, they keep the entry part and normally staple the departure side in your pp. The date on that part becomes your "entered date". I have seen some TM6 cards that are 12 years old and I'm sure there are others that are older.
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That's great, thanks. I was just confused when you said TM7. All sorted now with a TM6 only 7 weeks old. :)
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I think that has entered into the screwing zone.
We've been informed over the phone that we're to be robbed, too. Same excuse, gasoline money. Plus, of course, we'll have to spend our own gas going back to immigration for the next stamp after the visit.
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Not Good.
I've got all my paperwork ready for renewal mid December. I keep my fingers crossed that I will avoid requirement for home visit. Guess it depends how the feel on the day!!
My current extension runs out on the 16th December. How many days ahead can/should I go and apply for new one?
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Not Good.
I've got all my paperwork ready for renewal mid December. I keep my fingers crossed that I will avoid requirement for home visit. Guess it depends how the feel on the day!!
My current extension runs out on the 16th December. How many days ahead can/should I go and apply for new one?
30 days before is all they allow at KCI now because of the under consideration period.
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Cheers
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Just FYI, they will date it 16 December, same as your first extension regardless of how early you renew.
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I think I'll go a couple of weeks before due if they do a home visit and that delays issue I assume the pending stamp covers me past the expiry date and then when issued just backdated to the 16th.
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I think I'll go a couple of weeks before due if they do a home visit and that delays issue I assume the pending stamp covers me past the expiry date and then when issued just backdated to the 16th.
It does.
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What if you want to leave the country during that under consideration period ?
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Good Luck... I know I was advised not to.. Best thing to do is to ask them.. That's all that I know... I don't think it's a matter of leaving the country... It's getting back in...
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Good Luck... I know I was advised not to.. Best thing to do is to ask them.. That's all that I know... I don't think it's a matter of leaving the country... It's getting back in...
Indeed. I can envisage a situation where a re-entry permit could expire during the under consideration period.
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Today I applied for a one year extension of stay based on retirement. I presented the completed documents as identified by Mr Urleft in the OP, apart from an incomplete Income form (I didn't know how to fill it in) which was completed by very friendly lady who processes the documents initially, which I signed. I went the 800K route, so I had a letter from the bank and copies of my bank book. She then asked me to draw a map to my house, but I had one with me which I gave her. She then arranged everything in the correct order and stamped each document. I then signed the stamped documents. She then told me to get another copy. So they needed 2 copies for an extension based on retirement. I was then processed by an official who gave me an "under consideration" stamp and indicated that I would be getting a home visit in 7-10 days. I've had a home visit from KCI before so I know what to expect. I should be getting my passport stamped in early January.
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I also went to renew my retirement extension today. Pretty much exactly the same experience as ' buckwhelk'. Second copy of everything required ( will know for next time'
All paperwork prepared in line with Urlefts guidance and all correct.
I also go the 800,000 route which I keep separate in a fixed savings account. The Officer requested to see what we live on but I was prepared for this and had my current account book with me plus copies of all pages which were added to my pack.
Under consideration, home visit in next couple of weeks and return on 4th January.
And Co Co is correct.......I will have a 15 day period (16th Dec to 4th Jan) when my current re- entry permit will be expired and no replacement until new retirement extension issued. The Officer did acknowledge this and asked if I had any plans to leave the country during that period. As I don't, I guess no huge issue barring emergency requirement to return to UK.
Overall I found the service pretty good today. The young girl at reception is very helpful and all the Officers were friendly and informative.
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Sounds like taking a second copy of everything will not work. Looks like the second copy needs to be made after the IO has signed and stamped everything.
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Sounds like taking a second copy of everything will not work. Looks like the second copy needs to be made after the IO has signed and stamped everything.
Its not the IO its the secretary at the front that does all the reviewing of forums, she is not an IO. After she is satisfied with your forums she puts them in a certain order stamps them herself and tells you to go across the highway to make copies. The copy business is so good that 1.5 years back there was only one copy center across from KCI now there are 2.
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She does indeed stamp all the copies but then you have to sign within the stamp. I had signed all mine already but then had to do a 2nd signature inside the stamped box.
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But you are correct. Copy is made prior to seeing the IO.
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I can't understand why they don't set up a copy room on site. I paid 30 baht for the whole set across the street. I would ( and think most) would pay double that for convenience and getting sorted quicker.
Do you suppose they get a kick back from the copy shops?
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Splitting hairs,Gotlost. My point is that the person sorting the forms does not want to stamp 2 copies if everything. She/He wants to only stamp once. So taking 2,3,5,10 copies won't make a difference.
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Freddy, there was a time that you could get copies done. In the days of going to DanKwian there was a dedicated copy room. Your suggestion of cost is also accurate. It was double.
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I can't understand why they don't set up a copy room on site. I paid 30 baht for the whole set across the street. I would ( and think most) would pay double that for convenience and getting sorted quicker.
Do you suppose they get a kick back from the copy shops?
KCI and the secretary in front that you dealt with got sick and tired of all the cheep Charlie and bitching farangs complaining about paying for copies. This is the same reason KCI stopped issuing Certificate of residency letters. Immigration is not required by any law to make copies for free or issue a CR. So the farang shoot his nuts off. BTW the secretarys old man is a local BIB.. To my knowledge neither copy business is KCI backed. The business to your left of KCI has been in KC for over 9 years.
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Freddy, there was a time that you could get copies done. In the days of going to DanKwian there was a dedicated copy room. Your suggestion of cost is also accurate. It was double.
Go back 1.5 years and you could get copies at KCI but the bitching farang took care of that.
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OK, I am considering a business opportunity.
I will provide you a copier pluggeded into your vehicle lighter to make copies. You pay me 1100 baht and when you return the copier I pay you 1000 baht.
Any sign ups?
Note, I don't have this set up yet, but may do if enough interest is expressed. And Yes, I will guarntee the copier
works.
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Do you deliver and collect from the hirer's home?
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Do you deliver and collect from the hirer's home?
Good point!
No for the price quoted. The copier will be picked up and brought back to my internet shop.
You want delivery and pickup, add about 500 baht, more if outside of Buriram city.
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Thought as much. Lots of money to pay for about 50 baht of copies.
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Thought as much. Lots of money to pay for about 50 baht of copies.
A 5000 baht copier, a dc/ac coverter, paper, ink, and guarantee it will work all for 100 baht.
Yes, go the 50+ meters across the street as I don't need to provide the investment for the trivial return.
Obviously not worth my effort.
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Splitting hairs,Gotlost. My point is that the person sorting the forms does not want to stamp 2 copies if everything. She/He wants to only stamp once. So taking 2,3,5,10 copies won't make a difference.
I can confirm you are correct Starman. Last year I got an extension based on marriage and I turned up with 2 copies as required for marriage. One of the copies was stamped and then I had to sign the stamped copy...the other copy was returned to me and then I had to get a copy of the signed & stamped copy.
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Splitting hairs,Gotlost. My point is that the person sorting the forms does not want to stamp 2 copies if everything. She/He wants to only stamp once. So taking 2,3,5,10 copies won't make a difference.
I can confirm you are correct Starman. Last year I got an extension based on marriage and I turned up with 2 copies as required for marriage. One of the copies was stamped and then I had to sign the stamped copy...the other copy was returned to me and then I had to get a copy of the signed & stamped copy.
Agree its a waste of time to show up with copies for for any extension as KCI has different requirements and its been that way for some time. I have been dealing with KCI since they reopened in 2012 and have only taken one copy into their office. It was 2014 they cut the copy machine off due to the personal verbal abusement they were taking for charging for copies.
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On the subject of home visits. Those of you who have had the pleasure in the past. What can I expect?
I'm assuming it's A) To check for positive signs that I do live here. I.e. clothes in the wardrobe, pictures on the wall etc.....
B) That I'm not out at work or running a business from home.
C) trip out for the IO's with possible food, fuel and tea money.
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On the subject of home visits. Those of you who have had the pleasure in the past. What can I expect?
I'm assuming it's A) To check for positive signs that I do live here. I.e. clothes in the wardrobe, pictures on the wall etc.....
B) That I'm not out at work or running a business from home.
C) trip out for the IO's with possible food, fuel and tea money.
Its been noted by other posters that you will need the village head as a witness. Points A&B Yes. Interesting as Point C seems to only happen to Buriram not Surin. :P
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For us the entire process took place on the porch. There were a few exterior pictures of our home, us, and the headmen.
Steve
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Thank you both
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Same here.. Everything took place on the patio.. They never went inside.. The wife had to produce her ID and me my passport.. She also had to produce her bluebook TB.. Also had to have the Pooyai Bahn and at least one other witness there.. So it was the Pooyai Bahn and 2 of her sisters, one of which is the Deputy Pooyai Bahn.. Everyone had to show their ID and Blue Book TB.. They did a bunch of paperwork and everyone had to sign the multiple copies of that paperwork... They brought a laptop computer, a printer and a camera with them.. They never asked for a thing.. we gave each of them a bottle of water and that was it.. They took multiple pictures of us, the witnesses and the outside of the house.. Gave them the coordinates of the house and they printed up their own map from google earth.. The whole thing took about an hour.. The thing they were most interested in was my passport.. They went over that with a fine tooth comb.. They also showed all of us a number of pictures of guys they were after who were, supposedly, in our area and gave us their phone numbers so that we could contact them directly.. So they were not only doing a home visit but they were also on the prowl looking for certain people and asking for our help in finding them.. But that's how it went for us... Like anything else it all depends upon what suppression unit team you wind up dealing with.. Hope this helps.
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Are they doing this for all types of extensions or just based on retirement?
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The fine young men of the Immigration Department who drive a truck on the verge of running out of fuel visit Ruangsangthai twice a year to verify the paperwork and work permits of Mr. Bob and Mr. Moses. They make note of the other expats they might be visiting that day at other commercial establishments. They only spend a few minutes with my store managers as my office woman speaks Thai to them and makes sure they have coffee. They do give the US Passports a real examination. The department of labor staff have been known to make a home visit and/or store visit the same year for Mr. Bob or Mr. Moses. It must be a shorter drive for that department.
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Are they doing this for all types of extensions or just based on retirement?
Marriage extensions interviews are handled the same way but are more in-depth.
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Our first visit was a no show, and when we called to check, we we're told everyone was tied up in a meeting. I different voice called to make an appointment for the next day, and he was a much more pleasant sounding person.
The visit was held on the front porch. As mentioned, they had their own computer, printer, and camera. They only needed an A/C outlet.
The PuYai was out of town, but his deputy, who has been a friend for over 10 years (she was a school chum of TW) stood in. They needed one additional witness and we asked a nice neighbor lady who lived nearby. The immigration officers copied their IDs.
Most of the interview was with the Deputy PuYai, and they mostly asked her if I socialized in the village or stayed at home. I go to all the marriages, ordinations, funerals, temple festivals, etc, plus throw birthday parties, etc at our place, so they were satisfied I wasn't hiding out or something. They double checked that info with the witness, took a few photos - me with Deputy PuYai, the witness, TW and kids and we were done. They didn't ask for my passport or any other documentation.
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According to the IO I spoke with on Wednesday they will call us the day before they show up. Do they tell you then if they want the Village Head Man present or just request it adhoc? Obviously we can give him the heads up ( no pun intended) but without knowing the date it's impossible to organise. And what if he's not available.
All seems a bit hit and miss to me. Should be fun! If necessary I'm sure we can pull in a few random villagers to confirm I live here.
Thank you all for your advice, guidance. First home visit for me so..........
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Had the home visit today. All pretty painless. Village Head Man and his deputy present. They didn't arrive until 5pm. Stayed for all of 15 minutes. Asked if I was a good man. All present assured them I am :)
Took copies of Headmans house book and ID. Filled out one form , took a picture and off they went with their 200baht petrol money.
Headman + deputy now getting pissed on the whiskey we gave them.
I return to KCI on 4rg Jan.
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Just had my home visit today. Pretty much as Freddy described above. Puyai & one other witness was required. Took copies of the witnesses IDs & blue books & took one photo. Printed some forms which the witnesses signed. Took around 20 minutes. All done in a friendly professional manner.
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Had the home visit today. All pretty painless. Village Head Man and his deputy present. They didn't arrive until 5pm. Stayed for all of 15 minutes. Asked if I was a good man. All present assured them I am :)
Took copies of Headmans house book and ID. Filled out one form , took a picture and off they went with their 200baht petrol money.
Headman + deputy now getting pissed on the whiskey we gave them.
I return to KCI on 4rg Jan.
@Freddy: If I was you, I would ring them to see if your application has been approved before you make the trip to Kap Choeng on Jan 4th. Last year, I was told to return on Jan 10th but my extension was not approved until Jan 20th...
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Had the home visit today. All pretty painless. Village Head Man and his deputy present. They didn't arrive until 5pm. Stayed for all of 15 minutes. Asked if I was a good man. All present assured them I am :)
Took copies of Headmans house book and ID. Filled out one form , took a picture and off they went with their 200baht petrol money.
Headman + deputy now getting pissed on the whiskey we gave them.
I return to KCI on 4rg Jan.
@Freddy: If I was you, I would ring them to see if your application has been approved before you make the trip to Kap Choeng on Jan 4th. Last year, I was told to return on Jan 10th but my extension was not approved until Jan 20th...
So it seems that this home visit isn't just a one off for those extending their stay by reason of retirement :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
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I did a first retirement extension for an American in Sep, he did not get a "home" visit and this with his address being an apartment.
I plan to get a new Retirement extension next month, will see if I trip the home visit criteria.
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I did a first retirement extension for an American in Sep, he did not get a "home" visit and this with his address being an apartment.
I plan to get a new Retirement extension next month, will see if I trip the home visit criteria.
How much tea did he pour ?
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I did a first retirement extension for an American in Sep, he did not get a "home" visit and this with his address being an apartment.
I plan to get a new Retirement extension next month, will see if I trip the home visit criteria.
I got the impression that in September and October the home visits weren't across the board. However I was told at KCI and by the Offivers who did my home visit that now they are required to do home visits for all. No idea of correct or not but the guys who came to me did not arrive until nearly 5pm. They stated they had done multiple visits in Buriram and when they left is they asked for directions to another village area where they were doing 2 more. Perhaps the length of time they stayed is reflective of a higher workload.
Keith, I hope you escape the visit but don't hold your breath. Seems they are doing all.
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Had the home visit today. All pretty painless. Village Head Man and his deputy present. They didn't arrive until 5pm. Stayed for all of 15 minutes. Asked if I was a good man. All present assured them I am :)
Took copies of Headmans house book and ID. Filled out one form , took a picture and off they went with their 200baht petrol money.
Headman + deputy now getting pissed on the whiskey we gave them.
I return to KCI on 4rg Jan.
@Freddy: If I was you, I would ring them to see if your application has been approved before you make the trip to Kap Choeng on Jan 4th. Last year, I was told to return on Jan 10th but my extension was not approved until Jan 20th...
So it seems that this home visit isn't just a one off for those extending their stay by reason of retirement :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
Last year I applied for an extension based on being married to a Thai lady...which is why I got a home visit
Strange that I have had 2 previous extensions based on marriage when Dan Kwien (korat) was my designated immigration office and I never got a home visit.....
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I forget to mention that one of the officers mentioned that an immigration office would be opening "soon" in Buriram...
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So ...... it is still possible that the home visits for extensions based on retirement are / maybe a one off (?)
That's not the first time I have heard talk about a Buriram immigration office.
Here's hoping, if they do, that it is in place before March 2016 :)
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Put this alongside making the Buriram Border Land Crossing official. That has not happened. I do agree it would be nice if immigration did have an office in Buriram City but you won't be seeing it any time soon.
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Buriram already had one before.. A mobile unit used to come to Buriram from Korat 5 years ago when I arrived here.. THEy then stopped this service..
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Put this alongside making the Buriram Border Land Crossing official. That has not happened. I do agree it would be nice if immigration did have an office in Buriram City but you won't be seeing it any time soon.
The donated premises are already built.
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Buriram already had one before.. A mobile unit used to come to Buriram from Korat 5 years ago when I arrived here.. THEy then stopped this service..
That service was provided by Dan Kwain Immigration,BEFORE KCI reopened.
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So ...... it is still possible that the home visits for extensions based on retirement are / maybe a one off (?)
That's not the first time I have heard talk about a Buriram immigration office.
Here's hoping, if they do, that it is in place before March 2016 :)
The IO who dealt qith my applition said that the visit for a retirement extension was a one-time event as per a marriage extension. Whether this happens in practice is another matter.
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Put this alongside making the Buriram Border Land Crossing official. That has not happened. I do agree it would be nice if immigration did have an office in Buriram City but you won't be seeing it any time soon.
The donated premises are already built.
We want Hard facts Bear not the empty building donation..
When do they open in Buriram?
I always think of you as an Hairdresser who knows everybody's buisness so off ya pop and find out..
presents3
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Put this alongside making the Buriram Border Land Crossing official. That has not happened. I do agree it would be nice if immigration did have an office in Buriram City but you won't be seeing it any time soon.
The donated premises are already built.
NEVER.. :D :P
We want Hard facts Bear not the empty building donation..
When do they open in Buriram?
I always think of you as an Hairdresser who knows everybody's buisness so off ya pop and find out..
presents3
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Put this alongside making the Buriram Border Land Crossing official. That has not happened. I do agree it would be nice if immigration did have an office in Buriram City but you won't be seeing it any time soon.
The donated premises are already built.
We want Hard facts Bear not the empty building donation..
When do they open in Buriram?
I always think of you as an Hairdresser who knows everybody's buisness so off ya pop and find out..
presents3
Never. :D :P Now go back and put that barstool where it blocks the air flow to the brain. tonguebar
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Put this alongside making the Buriram Border Land Crossing official. That has not happened. I do agree it would be nice if immigration did have an office in Buriram City but you won't be seeing it any time soon.
The donated premises are already built.
We want Hard facts Bear not the empty building donation..
When do they open in Buriram?
I always think of you as an Hairdresser who knows everybody's buisness so off ya pop and find out..
presents3
Find out for yourself
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Put this alongside making the Buriram Border Land Crossing official. That has not happened. I do agree it would be nice if immigration did have an office in Buriram City but you won't be seeing it any time soon.
Mr gotlost, can you enlighten me as to why an immigration office in Buriram won't be happening any time soon
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Put this alongside making the Buriram Border Land Crossing official. That has not happened. I do agree it would be nice if immigration did have an office in Buriram City but you won't be seeing it any time soon.
Mr gotlost, can you enlighten me as to why an immigration office in Buriram won't be happening any time soon
Depends on your definition of SOON. Today, tomorrow this week or this year or by March next year ( four months off) I would say not. Rumor control had the Border Land crossing going international 2 years back and that still is closed opened only to locals and contraband. Even immigration tell white fibs. As I said some day it would be nice if Buriram gets an immigration office.
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You best go to the temple and pray Gotlost.. If they do open an office in Buriram then it's not good for your buisness
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Put this alongside making the Buriram Border Land Crossing official. That has not happened. I do agree it would be nice if immigration did have an office in Buriram City but you won't be seeing it any time soon.
Mr gotlost, can you enlighten me as to why an immigration office in Buriram won't be happening any time soon
Depends on your definition of SOON. Today, tomorrow this week or this year or by March next year ( four months off) I would say not. Rumor control had the Border Land crossing going international 2 years back and that still is closed opened only to locals and contraband. Even immigration tell white fibs. As I said some day it would be nice if Buriram gets an immigration office.
OK Thanks
My interpretation of "any time soon" means never
Is your reply based on "hard facts" ?
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Put this alongside making the Buriram Border Land Crossing official. That has not happened. I do agree it would be nice if immigration did have an office in Buriram City but you won't be seeing it any time soon.
Mr gotlost, can you enlighten me as to why an immigration office in Buriram won't be happening any time soon
Depends on your definition of SOON. Today, tomorrow this week or this year or by March next year ( four months off) I would say not. Rumor control had the Border Land crossing going international 2 years back and that still is closed opened only to locals and contraband. Even immigration tell white fibs. As I said some day it would be nice if Buriram gets an immigration office.
OK Thanks
My interpretation of "any time soon" means never
Is your reply based on "hard facts" ?
My facts come from the same source you use.
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The donated premises are already built.
We want Hard facts Bear not the empty building donation..
When do they open in Buriram?
I always think of you as an Hairdresser who knows everybody's buisness so off ya pop and find out..
presents3
I expect his facts come from the same source that advised of the Bamboo Bar closure :D
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The donated premises are already built.
We want Hard facts Bear not the empty building donation..
When do they open in Buriram?
I always think of you as an Hairdresser who knows everybody's buisness so off ya pop and find out..
presents3
I expect his facts come from the same source that advised of the Bamboo Bar closure :D
+1
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Put this alongside making the Buriram Border Land Crossing official. That has not happened. I do agree it would be nice if immigration did have an office in Buriram City but you won't be seeing it any time soon.
Mr gotlost, can you enlighten me as to why an immigration office in Buriram won't be happening any time soon
Depends on your definition of SOON. Today, tomorrow this week or this year or by March next year ( four months off) I would say not. Rumor control had the Border Land crossing going international 2 years back and that still is closed opened only to locals and contraband. Even immigration tell white fibs. As I said some day it would be nice if Buriram gets an immigration office.
OK Thanks
My interpretation of "any time soon" means never
Is your reply based on "hard facts" ?
My facts come from the same source you use.
OK Thanks
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I see the BE prolific poster has crawled from his cave.
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I returned to KCI for my retirement extension this morning following the home visit which took place before Christmas. Visa extension granted no problem however there was an interesting little twist. The IO re-checked all the paperwork and then another IO requested that I follow him to an outdoor seating area adjacent to the toilets. There I was introduced to his boss ( he stated head of KCI and was in civilian clothes) who checked passport and then gave a small speech about the consequences should any foreigner on a retirement visa be found working in Thialand. He requested assurance that I fully understood I could not work and stated that they were aware of many foreigners who ran businesses in wives names. He stated that the Immigration Office employed detectives to check on this and anyone discovered working would leave the country permanently. Another gent there for his visa got the same speech. Wives were requested to be present also. The above was delivered on Thai and and English.
After that I was returned to the main office and passport stamped. Then waited another 45 mins for my re- entry permit to be processed but they were kind enough to do the photocopy of the new retirement extension to add to my already completed pack.
Total time 1hr 30min and all quite friendly and polite.
That's that out the way for another year.
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That could open a whole can of worms for some. There needs to be a detailed definition of what constitutes work. Meaning does investing (meaning setting up your wife's business) and then monitoring the operation constitute work?
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I was also @ Kap Choeng yesterday to get my retirement extension stamp. My experience was identical to that of Freddy in his post above, except that once processing started, I never left the main office. I got the same speech from the top man - I left Mrs B at home. The girls also did my photocopy and never asked for money...Quite painless.
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That could open a whole can of worms for some. There needs to be a detailed definition of what constitutes work. Meaning does investing (meaning setting up your wife's business) and then monitoring the operation constitute work?
As neither I or my wife operate any kind of business it's not an issue for me. However, I would hope that for those who do, that providing shall we say the 'Farang Sponsor' , is not observed working on the premises and no income from the business goes to their account then there shouldn't be a problem. Especially if they can show a personal income coming in from a pension or other foreign asset.
I guess a problem may arise should they ask to see evidence on how the business was funded at start-up and where the money came from but if it was a gift to wife or GF then not sure what they could do.
Anybody's guess really !!
It may also be that the statement that investigators/ detectives are employed is BS and just a scare tactic.
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There have been reports of policemen wandering around villages asking about Farangs. both retired and married.
Extract from the list of forbidden occupations, and therefore considered as work in Thailand:
"Work in agriculture, animal husbandry, forestry or fishing excluding specialized work in each particular branch or farm supervision;
Bricklaying, carpentry or other construction works;
Woodcarving;
Driving a mechanically propelled carrier or driving a non-mechanically propelled vehicle, (excluding international aircraft piloting)";
All of which I have been 'guilty' of, same as many of us I suppose. So you can scrap the idea of buying a buffalo cart and buffalo.
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Kap Cheong are certainly making a name for themselves. I personally know of 8 expats who have extended within the last 3 weeks. 3 in Khon Kaen, 2 in Sissaket 1 in Pitsanulok and 2 in Amnat Cheroen. All of them got the extention same day. No house visits, no questions about living arrangements and no need for any additional signatures or witnesses.
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. There I was introduced to his boss ( he stated head of KCI and was in civilian clothes) who checked passport and then gave a small speech about the consequences should any foreigner on a retirement visa be found working in Thialand. He requested assurance that I fully understood I could not work and stated that they were aware of many foreigners who ran businesses in wives names. He stated that the Immigration Office employed detectives to check on this and anyone discovered working would leave the country permanently. Another gent there for his visa got the same speech. Wives were requested to be present also. The above was delivered on Thai and and English.
OK, there are a few "big businesses" that I know of that are owned by other than Thai, and they contribute a lot of tax to the economy I am sure. I wonder what this all means for them, or what the agenda of KCI really is. Tea money out of the question - (its called Som Tam now....) moneysmile
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I think the focus is on those who apply for retirement visas.....ie. Claim to be retired but working. Myself and Noi aren't formally married hence my visa extension has to be retirement and not a marriage extension.
Does anyone know of anyone being given the same speech if their extension is on marriage? I'm assuming those on marriage extensions can still apply for work permits
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Yes, you can get a work permit with a marriage visa.
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I've been doing the retirement extention for 8 years and do occasionally work on my wive's ricepaddies, wash my pick-up and SUV on the street next to ur house in town, entertain some foreigners on my porch in front of the house ... this could all be considered as "working" and so one can be thrown out the lovely LOS.
So I think I'm goong to switch to marriage visum and extentins. One this visa one can help his missus - the proper response to the IO would be : " mate, if I don't execute her orders, no nookie for me !!! "
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I actually said to the Head IO that I only work on our own house and garden. He said, this no problem as long as you're not getting paid. His emphasis was on not earning any money in Thailand. I really don't think that normal stuff like truck washing, home decoration, own garden work etc is a problem. It was very clear that they are focusing on those who are earning income from businesses registered in wife/gf name. I'm currently landscaping our garden and was in the process of doing this when my IO visit took place.i was actually Laing stone when they arrived. There was no suggestion that I should pay a Thai worker to do something I can do for myself. I just can't do it for others and get paid.
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Heard of a farang who 'sponsored' his wife's bar operation. Only thing the guy was seen 'doing' was sitting at the bar visiting with patrons. That was considered 'working' and the guy lost his visa.
One little caveat re Non-O family besides being able to apply for a work permit; the funds/income requirement is half that of Retirement Visa. Not a big deal in most cases; however, it would be half the amount of money sitting around aging and NOT working for you.
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Bill, did this happen in Buriram ?
Was the guy grassed up. or targeted by immigration ?
I didn't do much more when I had Coffee Corner but I never had a sniff from police or immigration, they left us alone.
I do know that it is a bit more cut-throat in, say, Pattaya where I know of a guy, doing some ironing to help his wife in her laundry business, who was threatened with deportation if he continued. He had been grassed up.
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Believe that was in Pattaya.
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Believe that was in Pattaya.
I had almost assumed that Bill, and it enables me to make the point that people are more likely to be left alone in the boonies. No guarantee, of course, but I think if you don't create any waves, trouble (from immigration etc) doesn't usually come your way.
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Exactly the reasons why I live in a small rural village in Buriram Province and NOT in Pattaya.
However, the point I was attempting to reinforce is . . . something as minor as chatting customers up at your wife's bar could be interpreted as 'working' in the eyes of a hard ass immigration dic . . ahhh; d_e_t_e_c_t_i_v_e . . . not that we have any in this Province, but . . . as you said; trouble usually doesn't stir up those who don't stir.
BH
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Kap Cheong are certainly making a name for themselves. I personally know of 8 expats who have extended within the last 3 weeks. 3 in Khon Kaen, 2 in Sissaket 1 in Pitsanulok and 2 in Amnat Cheroen. All of them got the extention same day. No house visits, no questions about living arrangements and no need for any additional signatures or witnesses.
Udon Thani immigration is currently stamping passports "under consideration" and you have to return one month later for visa. Everybody or just some I dont know.
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I guess it depends how hard ass the government want to be about enforcing all regions to follow the direction. When I was stamped under consideration at KCI the IO stated a home visit was the new direction placed upon them. Over this year we may see it spreading across other regions.
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I guess it depends how hard ass the government want to be about enforcing all regions to follow the direction. When I was stamped under consideration at KCI the IO stated a home visit was the new direction placed upon them. Over this year we may see it spreading across other regions.
I have seen reports of this at Udon, Khon Kaen, Non Khai, Amnat Charon, Rayong and Ranong Immigration. Not to the degree of KCI but it has been done. With the Thai nationalistic attitude that is ingrained in the present government you can probably take this to the bank. Remember March 1 Overstayers get the boot.
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So what do we all think?? Without sounding holier than though, I don't think it's a bad thing as long as the regulations are applied sensibly and fairly. I personally try to follow all the rules where my visa is concerned and although there are frustrating hoops to jump through I consider it worth it if it allows me to stay. Two trips to KCI and 1 home visit a year isn't to bad providing the on-line 90 day report system works reliably. For all those who follow the rules I would assume there isn't all that much sympathy for those that don't.
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I just accept the fact that this is the procedure that I have to comply with (at this point in time) to allow me to stay in the kingdom (Buriram) and not be forced to leave every 90 days. Thats just the way it is. Alternatives are to go back to Non-O Visa and leave/re-enter the kingdom every 90 days or move somewhere else where immigraton is more farang friendly. I love it here in Buriram, so the latter ain't going to happen for me....but as they say..."horses for courses"
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"When in Rome . . . . . "
Will gladly follow the rules & regs here in LOS, just as I expect immigrants to my home country to follow rules & regs there.
BH
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I just accept the fact that this is the procedure that I have to comply with (at this point in time) to allow me to stay in the kingdom (Buriram) and not be forced to leave every 90 days. Thats just the way it is. Alternatives are to go back to Non-O Visa and leave/re-enter the kingdom every 90 days or move somewhere else where immigraton is more farang friendly. I love it here in Buriram, so the latter ain't going to happen for me....but as they say..."horses for courses"
I don't think the Non-Imm O multi-entry is available any more
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It's available @ Savannaket based on marriage
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It's available @ Savannaket based on marriage
I personally know of a quite a few that are on this with no problem. It is a very good option. Also I know of others that just to get out of the line of fire they will be going over to a marriage extension next time. Also you have Aussies that go back home and get Non O Multi based on retirement with no problem.
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It's available @ Savannaket based on marriage
Exactly. I got one, it was very easy, just DON'T FORGET to take your ORIGINAL marriage Certificate with you when you go and apply.
Apply morning of day 1 and pick up your passport with the Non-O ME early afternoon of day 2.
Ps: Don't forget that you have to leave Thailand after 90 days (you also can get a 60 day extension on that but I could not be bothered) but we like it as we are doing a lot of trips (Mini Holidays) now, Singapore, Cambodia, M'sia, Indonesia etc etc
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It's available @ Savannaket based on marriage
I personally know of a quite a few that are on this with no problem. It is a very good option. Also I know of others that just to get out of the line of fire they will be going over to a marriage extension next time. Also you have Aussies that go back home and get Non O Multi based on retirement with no problem.
How does changing from retirement to marriage get you "out of the line of fire" ?
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It's available @ Savannaket based on marriage
I personally know of a quite a few that are on this with no problem. It is a very good option. Also I know of others that just to get out of the line of fire they will be going over to a marriage extension next time. Also you have Aussies that go back home and get Non O Multi based on retirement with no problem.
How does changing from retirement to marriage "get you out of the line of fire" ?
There after all the retirements that shale we say are less than true full amongst other things and these are who they are after. Marriage extension has Always had the under consideration and the funds are less for approval. As I have said I personally know of those that will be going that rout next time.
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As far as I am concerned, the only PITA with the retirement extension now is having to make a second trip to immigration (which for me is a 250Km round trip) to have the extension stamped in my passport after it is approved following the "under consideration" period.
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As far as I am concerned, the only PITA with the retirement extension now is having to make a second trip to immigration (which for me is a 250Km round trip) to have the extension stamped in my passport after it is approved following the "under consideration" period but this happens for marriage also.
Thats true and it looks as if this requirement for retirement is to stay infect same as marriage. It is very apparent that Thai immigration has their magnifying glasses on the retirement and not the marriage. Overall if your have nothing to hide the you should not have any problems. The biggest area that immigration is after are those on retirement that are working.
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So your advice to me would be : switch from retirement extentions to marriage visum , with this visum you are allowed to "assist" your missus in her work ?
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BillH52 : that happened at Dré's Bar on Soi Bukhao a few years ago ... André used to sit every night with some visiting belgian tourists and expats drinking beer ... was considered "entertaining customers with no work permit" !!! Cost him a bundle to get it squashed.
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So your advice to me would be : switch from retirement extentions to marriage visum , with this visum you are allowed to "assist" your missus in her work ?
To be more specific; with marriage visa, you have the option to "apply for a work permit".
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So your advice to me would be : switch from retirement extentions to marriage visum , with this visum you are allowed to "assist" your missus in her work ?
Only if you have a WP.
I don't get the focus on retirees. Most are just that, retired and while away their time in Thailand. Equally, (I would say this wouldn't I) I see no issue with 'helping out' at Coffee Corner, Buriram Pieman, M & D Coffee, Staffords, Nookies Delights, Jimmys Sports Cafe, Timeout etc, etc. None of these business that are essentially Farang funded are taking any business away from Thais, in fact many are employing Thais.
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Absolutely correct; and I agree whole heartedly; however, technically . . Immigration 'could' classify it as 'working'. Will they? Maybe, maybe not. I have chosen to not take that path; rather, am going with the 'marriage' type thereby reducing the frozen bank account by half or prove half the income and have the option of applying for a work permit, as I see fit.
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I am about to hit KCI on the 15th of this month for my 6th extension of stay based on retirement, I expect a 30 day under cosideration stamp. A visit from the chaps to my home, perhaps a request for fuel monies and then a return to KCI 30 days later to get my extension.
So lets cost this out,
Statement of earnings (pension) from the UK Embassy 2,655 Baht
Extension fee 1,900 Baht
Travel to KCI, my case 270 km return x 2 520 km. I use around 8 ltr per 100 km, so about 1,400 Baht
I put no cost on copies, being buggered around etc, so total cost 5,955 Baht.
Now I understand why a lot of people I know spend 12,000 Baht per year for the other option.
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I am about to hit KCI on the 15th of this month for my 6th extension of stay based on retirement, I expect a 30 day under cosideration stamp. A visit from the chaps to my home, perhaps a request for fuel monies and then a return to KCI 30 days later to get my extension.
So lets cost this out,
Statement of earnings (pension) from the UK Embassy 2,655 Baht
Extension fee 1,900 Baht
Travel to KCI, my case 270 km return x 2 520 km. I use around 8 ltr per 100 km, so about 1,400 Baht
I put no cost on copies, being buggered around etc, so total cost 5,955 Baht.
Now I understand why a lot of people I know spend 12,000 Baht per year for the other option.
Add another 3,500-ish for 90 day reporting if you have to go to KCI
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Well I went to get a new extension at KCI today, what a mess. Seems there's a new girl out front that tries to act like she knows everything but confused the hell out of me.
1. She could not understand how I had typed the TM 7/8, she wanted it handwritten.
2. Even though I had an Embassy Income Statement she wanted me to get a letter from the Bank stating I had 400,000 baht.
3. She did not seem to understand what the TM 8 was.
Luckily I had my TW with me and after 15 minutes we finally agreed that I would update my Bangkok Bank book and provide copies. Once that was done I was shown to room opposite where they provide the services to have the paperwork checked. While I had things in the correct order, the new girl has moved things around. He wanted copies of my Passport, which were now last, so we showed him. He then got out the forms for Overstay, income, and residence but then accepted when I had already filled them out (except for income). He accepted my embassy income statement, but also added my bank book balance. Luckily I had over 400K Baht in it, not sure what would have happened if it was less. They further decided I would get a home visit so the TM 8 issue be mute.
Got past the guy except as stated earlier I now had to get a copy made. As someone mentioned, go to the yellow store on the left (pic attached).
Got the copy made and headed into the room, about 10 minutes later my TW took the pack up where it was approved (for 30 days) pending the home visit. They further wanted a map (2 copies) which I already had.
So I paid the 1900 baht and got the under consideration stamp awaiting the home visit.
Looks like I will start another dummy thread for 2016 when this goat rope is complete.
Bottom Line (in addition to post #1):
1. Have a map to your house for a home visit (2 copies)
2. Even if using an embassy statement, make copies of your Thailand bank book, I believe it needs to show baht being spent.
3. Be prepared to walk across the street to make copies.
And lastly, it appears there is a new TM 8, I will try to scan and provide it in another posting.
Good luck.
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Good post but I am confused.
You have posted in "Retirement extension for dummies" but only showed 400000 baht in the bank.
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Good post but I am confused.
You have posted in "Retirement extension for dummies" but only showed 400000 baht in the bank.
Exactly, which is one of the multiple reasons I said they confused the hell out of me. What I believe they wanted was to see the retirement income being spent, and I am not sure what their reaction would have been if I had less than 400K in the bank.
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Good post but I am confused.
You have posted in "Retirement extension for dummies" but only showed 400000 baht in the bank.
I am with Starman on this - presumably this should be on the marriage extension thread.
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Good post but I am confused.
You have posted in "Retirement extension for dummies" but only showed 400000 baht in the bank.
Exactly, which is one of the multiple reasons I said they confused the hell out of me. What I believe they wanted was to see the retirement income being spent, and I am not sure what their reaction would have been if I had less than 400K in the bank.
Keith - what exactly did you apply for ?
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A retirement extension
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A retirement extension
Then it sounds like they were looking at the combination method ?
Stating the obvious, 400k is not sufficient for a retirement extension
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Quite right CoCo. Why the impotance of 400000? Urleft also had his wife with him.
I'm wondering if they have confused the matter and are processing based on marriage.
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A retirement extension
Then it sounds like they were looking at the combination method ?
Stating the obvious, 400k is not sufficient for a retirement extension
They did not need the combination method. I kept trying to explain to the girl that the embassy statement was sufficient, but she would not accept it.
She came up with the 400K baht figure, whether that was still a factor after we agreed to just provide a copy of the bank book I am not sure. But I can say the money in the bank did not meet the 90 day seasoning requirement.
It could also be that they made me make a bank book copy so she would not loose face because she didn't understand the Income statement. I saw the guy understood the statement as he checked the embossed seal and then did the dollar to baht exchange rate onto the Thai income form.
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The bank book copy could have been 'face' but I suspect it may also satisfy their requirement to see money coming in and being spent in Thailand.
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The bank book copy could have been 'face' but I suspect it may also satisfy their requirement to see money coming in and being spent in Thailand.
Good point CoCo.
I remember reading somewhere that some immigration offices have started, or are going to start, actively looking for evidence that the income is actually being sent to a Thai bank account.
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As mentioned in my visit description a week or two ago, the front desk gals at KCI were totally clueless; changed their info as quickly as the second hand moved. Wifey was being polite and believing their 'instructions'; I am too stubborn for that. Luckily for us, one of the officials from the next room happened to walk by and chimed in. We then made progress in quick order.
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Without the girl/s KCI would be forked.
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Without the girl/s KCI would be forked.
There were 3 of them sitting there that day; none of them were giving the same answer twice or knew what was going on. A few months time will help.
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Without the girl/s KCI would be forked.
There were 3 of them sitting there that day; none of them were giving the same answer twice or knew what was going on. A few months time will help.
It never does with these twats.
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I think it just sounds like the girl was confused with the different requirements and amounts. I have my 800,000 in a separate fixed deposit account. Despite my bank letter I also had to provide a evidence of money in and out of my savings/current account. Mine had a little over 300,000baht at the time. It wasn't an issue!!
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Without the girl/s KCI would be forked.
There were 3 of them sitting there that day; none of them were giving the same answer twice or knew what was going on. A few months time will help.
It never does with these twats.
Last year's girl was super, but now, what mass confusion, they admitted the girl checking was new but they did not have a competent overseer to check. And the head boss was not there.
From my standpoint I don't really care if they want me show me spending baht here, what I am trying to get is a consistant acceptable paperwork requirement. And as yet I cannot keep up with the changes, that appear to be arbitrary.
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The bank book copy could have been 'face' but I suspect it may also satisfy their requirement to see money coming in and being spent in Thailand.
That is what the IO told me last year that they wanted to confirm that I was spending money in the Kingdom.
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The bank book copy could have been 'face' but I suspect it may also satisfy their requirement to see money coming in and being spent in Thailand.
That is what the IO told me last year that they wanted to confirm that I was spending money in the Kingdom.
And also I was able to show that I periodically transfer money from my UK bank to my Thai account for living expenses. They simply want evidence of an income unrelated to working in Thailand.
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Without the girl/s KCI would be forked.
There were 3 of them sitting there that day; none of them were giving the same answer twice or knew what was going on. A few months time will help.
It never does with these twats.
Last year's girl was super, but now, what mass confusion, they admitted the girl checking was new but they did not have a competent overseer to check. And the head boss was not there.
From my standpoint I don't really care if they want me show me spending baht here, what I am trying to get is a consistant acceptable paperwork requirement. And as yet I cannot keep up with the changes, that appear to be arbitrary.
That consistency is something that I also crave for.
I have often said that I have no issue with Thailand's immigration rules - in fact I wish my home country had similar rules. What I have had issue with is the application of those rules. "Tell me what you need me to provide and I will comply" has been my attitude. Undocumented changes (from the written Thai Police Orders) - such as the need to see evidence of money in/out - are frustrating if you have not been made aware of those changes. This forum obviously helps in that respect.
From my observations on Tuesday, and recent reports from friends, I believe that KCI is going in the right direction.
In a somewhat 'unThai' way they have have obviously reviewed their operation and made changes. Number one, they have more staff. The reception desk has been moved out of the lobby and the female assistant moved into an office, She now has an assistant and, whilst she may be inexperienced at the moment things will obviously improve.
The captain who processed my extension last year is also located in the office to the left. There is a sign on the door referring to information about 90 day reporting online but he processed my friends marriage extension yesterday. He was then sent through to the main office where (I believe) there were four immigration officers.
The captain was not interested in the 2 copies of the application my friend provided. Consistent with earlier reports, they sign and stamp the original copy and send you off to have them photocopied - one additional copy.
I am encouraged by these changes and now that the 90 day online reporting system works for me, I shall only need to visit to avail myself of their services once a year.
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Thanks Co-Co... Good article... and Very True..
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Ray and I seem to be seeing eye to eye. We don't care what is right, fair, etc. We just want to know what Thailand requires.
Having tried and failed to get a USA visa for my TW 4 times, I believe the Thai system is more than fair. However, let me know what Thailand wants to see and I will provide it.
I personally think that current issues are based on those expats that pay 15,000+ plus to get their visa and not worry about a 90 day report. The funny part being that I don't think these are ones causing the problems, it is the expats gaming the system to earn Thailand money to live.
Somewhere on a forum I read where an expat got a work permit while on a retirement visa, I would like to get that as I have extra money to invest. Unfortunately current rules will not allow that.
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Somewhere on a forum I read where an expat got a work permit while on a retirement visa, I would like to get that as I have extra money to invest. Unfortunately current rules will not allow that.
This is clearly a subject for a different topic BUT two things..
First, you're NOT on a retirement visa <- as there is NO such animal. What you had initially was a Non-Immigrant Type-O that you subsequently used to apply for a yearly extension of stay based on being over 50 (called retirement by every Tom, Dick & Somchai), but which in reality is called in thai "live out the end of your life" (the thai wording of the clause doesn't use the word retirement, that's just the stamp the put in your passport). They also usually stamp in employment prohibited but that ONLY means without a work permit you can't work, NOT that you can't get a work permit while on that extension.
Believe me having read the thai version of the current laws regarding work permits line by line there is NOTHING which prohibits foreigners on yearly extensions of stay for being over 50 holding a valid work permit. I probably know more than a few foreigners scattered around the country who are on yearly extensions for being over 50 AND who hold valid work permits.
Now getting the DOL in Bangkok to issue one is as rare as hens teeth. I've seen people who hold work permits issued in Hua Hin, Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai which ALSO have a Bangkok address listed on them. But I have NEVER with my own two eyes seen a work permit issued from the DOL in Bangkok for a foreigner on a yearly extension of stay based on being over 50 <-despite the fact there is NO actual law prohibiting it.
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Interesting.. Or as Spock would say Fascinating... Thanks for the info...
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BACK ON TOPIC:
Hmm, from my perspective; KCI is already "forking you guys over". You jump thru so many more hoops that most places, it's not even funny. All on the whim of an officer who makes up what ever he wants when ever he wants to. I truly feel sorry for you guys..
FWIW: that money in/out when using the embassy letter for verification of funds IS definitely being done in Nong Khai.
Here's a copy of the one people have been signing this year, stating that next year they'll show proof of 65k baht a month comin' in.. <- Yet another totally made up rule.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/iva92s.jpg)
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BACK ON TOPIC:
Hmm, from my perspective; KCI is already "forking you guys over". You jump thru so many more hoops that most places, it's not even funny. All on the whim of an officer who makes up what ever he wants when ever he wants to. I truly feel sorry for you guys..
FWIW: that money in/out when using the embassy letter for verification of funds IS definitely being done in Nong Khai.
Here's a copy of the one people have been signing this year, stating that next year they'll show proof of 65k baht a month comin' in.. <- Yet another totally made up rule.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/iva92s.jpg)
I would have no issue if that form REPLACED the need for the embassy letter (saving Brits 2,600+ Baht).
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Well got a call from the "visitors" today, they wanted to talk to my TW, not me.
They are supposed to be here tomorrow afternoon. They want 2 village officials to guarantee me. So we expect to get the head of the Moo, but the 2nd is kind of funny, she is the TW's sister that has become a village official (and not only does she work for us, we pay her room and board).
The TW said the guy said something strange that she is not sure what he meant. I don't remember the words but it sounded like kickback to me.
I personally am not adverse to kickback to get what I want, however in this case I fail to see how I will not meet any of their criteria. But I will leave it up to the TW.
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Well got a call from the "visitors" today, they wanted to talk to my TW, not me.
They are supposed to be here tomorrow afternoon. They want 2 village officials to guarantee me. So we expect to get the head of the Moo, but the 2nd is kind of funny, she is the TW's sister that has become a village official (and not only does she work for us, we pay her room and board).
The TW said the guy said something strange that she is not sure what he meant. I don't remember the words but it sounded like kickback to me.
I personally am not adverse to kickback to get what I want, however in this case I fail to see how I will not meet any of their criteria. But I will leave it up to the TW.
Arguably, this visit is nothing about you Keith - it is about verifying that are genuinely living at the said address.
I was told that they would most likely call when I was not there and they would talk in the village to the PYB and other. The only time I was involved was when a police officer re-visited to take my photo standing by the house. He had previously called and spoke to my missus and neighbours.
My visit was not sparked from an extension application so I am expecting that when I do mine in May they will not need to call again.
A week ago a friends wife paid 500 Baht petrol money.
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Well got a call from the "visitors" today, they wanted to talk to my TW, not me.
They are supposed to be here tomorrow afternoon. They want 2 village officials to guarantee me. So we expect to get the head of the Moo, but the 2nd is kind of funny, she is the TW's sister that has become a village official (and not only does she work for us, we pay her room and board).
The TW said the guy said something strange that she is not sure what he meant. I don't remember the words but it sounded like kickback to me.
I personally am not adverse to kickback to get what I want, however in this case I fail to see how I will not meet any of their criteria. But I will leave it up to the TW.
Arguably, this visit is nothing about you Keith - it is about verifying that are genuinely living at the said address.
I was told that they would most likely call when I was not there and they would talk in the village to the PYB and other. The only time I was involved was when a police officer re-visited to take my photo standing by the house. He had previously called and spoke to my missus and neighbours.
My visit was not sparked from an extension application so I am expecting that when I do mine in May they will not need to call again.
A week ago a friends wife paid 500 Baht petrol money.
If I am trying to fudge something I will gladly pay a kickback. However, when I more than meet the requirements I am kind of obstinate.
In this case I will leave it to the TW (who I believe is smarter than me). If a 500 baht bribe will make things smooth, do it. Wish the USA would allow me to do the same.
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Well got a call from the "visitors" today, they wanted to talk to my TW, not me.
They are supposed to be here tomorrow afternoon. They want 2 village officials to guarantee me. So we expect to get the head of the Moo, but the 2nd is kind of funny, she is the TW's sister that has become a village official (and not only does she work for us, we pay her room and board).
The TW said the guy said something strange that she is not sure what he meant. I don't remember the words but it sounded like kickback to me.
I personally am not adverse to kickback to get what I want, however in this case I fail to see how I will not meet any of their criteria. But I will leave it up to the TW.
Arguably, this visit is nothing about you Keith - it is about verifying that are genuinely living at the said address.
I was told that they would most likely call when I was not there and they would talk in the village to the PYB and other. The only time I was involved was when a police officer re-visited to take my photo standing by the house. He had previously called and spoke to my missus and neighbours.
My visit was not sparked from an extension application so I am expecting that when I do mine in May they will not need to call again.
A week ago a friends wife paid 500 Baht petrol money.
If I am trying to fudge something I will gladly pay a kickback. However, when I more than meet the requirements I am kind of obstinate.
In this case I will leave it to the TW (who I believe is smarter than me). If a 500 baht bribe will make things smooth, do it. Wish the USA would allow me to do the same.
Just giving you a heads up on what was 'acceptable' last week.
Also, this is not about you meeting the requirements; it is about ticking a box to say that they know where the Farangs are under their jurisdiction.
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I think Co Co is correct Keith. When they did my home visit hey didn't want to speak to me, just the head man and his 2nd. They signed papers and had photo taken. Just a confirmation from them, that I lived here.
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The visit just happened, 2 Thai Guys showed up. One asked me how long I have been in Thailand.
Then they set up a printer and laptop. The 2 village officials showed up, provided a copy of their IDs and signed a form acknowledging that I lived there. Their pictures were taken.
Then had a group photo with the two villagers, my TW, myself, and one of the KCI guys.
All done in about 15 minutes. And one told the TW they had to pay for fuel themselves so she slipped them 500 baht as they were leaving.
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Keith,
Who called the village officials, how were they notified.
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Mike,
When they called me Monday and asked to talk to Tal they told her to have the village officials available.
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Well went to get the extension after being "under consideration", some info:
1. When you are under consideration it states "contact in person on (date)" So they set the date for you. The TW called them and got the date moved up.
2. All I really needed to do was provide my passport, they then put all the stamps and such on it. There were 9 employees in the office, all 9 handled my paperwork at some point. But basically got the extension with no further issue.
3. Met with one official that stated I could not work, and explained that in detail to the TW.
4. They were ready to my passport back to me but asked if I wanted a re-entry visa. I said yes and gave him my paperwork all completed. He was trying to tell me I needed a copy of the passport, where I showed it was all there except for the new extension. He said he would make a copy. Once the copy arrived it took about 10 minutes to complete the paperwork.
5. As I was ready to leave I showed where my 90 day report was not due in 60 days (from my visit last month). They would not update the paperwork for being there today.
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Oeps, I've got a "small" problem : all sides of my house and the front porch where they will sit at the big table where I have a powersocket, all angles are under videosurveillance. Will it "deter" the Immi boys from asking and receiving "petrolmoney" ?
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NO!
How long have you been here Croc? newbie
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BTW, based on my experience, all the paperwork and forms required are still as specified on page 1 of this thread.
If you get lucky and are chosen for a home visit you will need to make another complete copy after some officials have made notations on the paperwork. So don't both having another copy beforehand.
Also, have 2 copies ready of a map to your house. I made the directions from Buriram City (figured they could find that from KCI) plus I included a picture of the house. And they seem happier to talk to the significant other rather than the expat.
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Urleft, what papers did you need for a re-entry visa please
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Sorry, permit
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If you plan to leave Thailand, you might want to get a re-entry permit when you get your new extension. I get the multiple re-entry permit just for the convenience.
See post No 2 on this thread
You will need to have:
• TM 8.
• Color Photo 4 x 6 cm (I already had mine attached to the TM 8)
• Passport
• Copies of all used pages from your Passport. Sign each page. Note that KCI will require a copy of the extension you just received, KCI should make that copy for you.
• 1000 Baht for single re-entry, 3800 baht for a multiple re-entry.
TM 8 attached, can be filled in using word.
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Thanks everyone for all the very useful info on this thread.
I will be applying for the first time for a retirement extension at KCI very soon - not my first extension, just my first one at KCI. I'm already doing 90-day check-ins there.
I'm putting my application package together at the moment, and notice that my photos are more like 5*5cms than the 6*4 required. If this is a problem is there anywhere near KCI that I can have suitable photos taken?
Also, if I discover on the day that I need an extra copy or two is there anywhere in or near KCI for photocopying?
Thanks in advance for your help.
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Not sure about the photo sizes other than I just use passport size. There are photocopy services directly across the street. Hope all goes well.
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Thanks everyone for all the very useful info on this thread.
I will be applying for the first time for a retirement extension at KCI very soon - not my first extension, just my first one at KCI. I'm already doing 90-day check-ins there.
I'm putting my application package together at the moment, and notice that my photos are more like 5*5cms than the 6*4 required. If this is a problem is there anywhere near KCI that I can have suitable photos taken?
Also, if I discover on the day that I need an extra copy or two is there anywhere in or near KCI for photocopying?
Thanks in advance for your help.
If you want help, my internet shop is prepared to help. Just PM me for an appointment. We have a 100% success rate so far, Som Luck just got his.
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Thankyou Freddy
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Thank you Freddy and urleft for your replies.
Thanks too Freddy for your good wishes.
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Just got back from KCI after getting my yearly extension by way of retirement.
I applied one month ago and was put "under consideration"
Nobody called about a house visit and I didn't pursue it.
Had to wait around for a little while for the "boss" to sign off on it.
Nothing said about not being able to work, just an apology for the waiting.
Makes me wonder if there is any criteria at all for the home visit as some others have had !!!!!
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Here is a new form for your list, Urleft.
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Here is a new form for your list, Urleft.
Is this being used by KCI?
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No
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This form is sure getting a lot of publicity on the thai related forums scatttered around out on the inter-web.
FWIW: I was at Chaengwattana tuesday, showed this form to officers in Section C-1; Non-Immigrant Visa issuing, Section C-2; Re-entry permits, Section L; retirement, marriage,children, Section N; ED visa extensions and not one of them had seen the form. I also asked at the counter where they give out queue tickets AND at the information desk.. None of them had seen it before either.. this guy needs to do a lot better job getting the word out to the people in the trenches pushing paperwork!!
So far it is ONLY being used at the Cham Churi One Stop Center for journalists, BOI companies and a few other demographics of foreigners. It is NOT a real form, also from various reports, it is NOT mandatory to fill out the information either.
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I have seen reports of 2 guys being asked to fill out this form when doing 90 day reporting. One got away with filling out some of the info. The other had problems. Both were told that the form will be used nationwide.
As of Wednesday KCI did not have them.
As Tod said it is creating s bit of a stir.
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Thanks Tod.
I was suspect when there was no official form number. Also the official forms are usually in both Thai and English, this form is English only. But then there are exceptions such as the Thai income form.
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Nothing to be suspect about.
Spread your wings a little and look. Expatblog,khaosodenglish, numerous expat Facebook groups, Thaivisa. This form is real.
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So according to you the form should be added to the packet even though KCI does not know about or require it? Amazing.
I'll remain suspect until it's officially required at KCI. And if and when that happens a new thread will probably be required as the KCI provided instructions should also change.
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Question:
Suppose I have a one year extension based on marriage, and I leave the country for 4 months or so. During this time the extension has expired. What is the best way to do things when coming back, get a new non-o and start over, or would I just get a visa on arrival for 30 days and apply for the extension again before the 30 days are up?
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Non O
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Thank you sir.
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Anyone in the Buriram area headed to KCI soon? I just got word from a reliable source that the Thai forms (e.g., stay permit, penalty, and income) have been updated. If someone is going there can get a set of the forms, scan and post here that would be a big help to us.
Otherwise, if you can just get a set to me and I will get them posted.
Thanks,
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You may wish to ask about this too:
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/926785-controversial-foreign-national-information-form-arrives-in-pattaya-being-rolled-out-nationwide/?utm_source=newsletter-20160622-1359&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news
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You may wish to ask about this too:
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/926785-controversial-foreign-national-information-form-arrives-in-pattaya-being-rolled-out-nationwide/?utm_source=newsletter-20160622-1359&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news
If KCI requires it then it will be included in their packet of required forms, which is what I hope someone can pick up from KCI and get posted on this link.
My source was based on a visit to KCI where he used the forms I provided in post #1 but then had to replace several with new forms, he did not mention having to do your controversial form.
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It is not my form. If you read the article then you will see that it is "being distributed" around the country.
What harm could there possibly be in asking? Especially as it said it will be used for 90 day reports too.
Buriram Expats "expats helping expats". I like to do my bit.
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You posted a copy of the form and have tried to get it pushed onto KCI requirements, which in my mind makes it your form as you are the only one pushing it at KCI.
What harm, if people keep asking about it KCI could then add it which is just more stuff we have to do. I for one would be content not to have another form.
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That is funny.
I am not pushing it anywhere. How can I possibly tell KCI what to do? Read the article and digest the information. Like I said before, not pushing it anywhere, the form is out there.
It is not up to KCI whether they use it or not. Read the article.
No harm in asking "if" it is going to be used.
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I have seen reports of 2 guys being asked to fill out this form when doing 90 day reporting. One got away with filling out some of the info. The other had problems. Both were told that the form will be used nationwide.
As of Wednesday KCI did not have them.
As Tod said it is creating s bit of a stir.
The question of whether KCI requires the form was answered here:
Here is a new form for your list, Urleft.
Is this being used by KCI?
No
Why do you continue to bring it to try to bring it to the attention of KCI? It looks to me like you are advocating the form. So in your honor I am going from now on refer to it as Starman's Form.
As of today, Starman's form was not required as part of the packet according to my source. I would recommend just providing what KCI officically requires and not call attention to Starman's Form.
However, if Starman's form is required at KCI at a later day it will be added to the required documentation, and Starman will be recognized for his efforts in getting his form added to KCI requirements.
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PMSL.
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Anyone in the Buriram area headed to KCI soon? I just got word from a reliable source that the Thai forms (e.g., stay permit, penalty, and income) have been updated. If someone is going there can get a set of the forms, scan and post here that would be a big help to us.
Otherwise, if you can just get a set to me and I will get them posted.
Thanks,
To try to get back to finding ground truth.
If someone is at KCI please obtain a spare copy of KCI's Retirement Extension Requirements and post here so we can use the most current forms. Or please get me the copy and I will post.
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The 'controversial' form was completed for KCI by a member of Surin Farang forum.
I completed one 3 weeks ago and they didn't want it !!!
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Rather than call it Starman's form I would be inclined to use the official document title of Foreign National Information(1) :-
Can't attach it because the PDF file is too big. Keith please PM your email address and I will forward it.
No. _____________
For the purpose of _____________________
Foreign National Information
This form shall be used for making record of information of every alien entering and staying in the Kingdom of Thailand and shall be submit with Notification of Residence for Aliens (section 37 , 38 of Immigration Act, B.E. 2522), or 90-days Notification, or Extension of Stays (all purposes), or Re-Entry Permit, or in all cases involving alien labors.
(If any item does not apply, please write “-”)
Providing false information to an officer, shall be punished under Penal Code.
1. To be Completed by Recording Person
Recording Agency ________________________ Recording Person Code _______________________
Recording Date ______________________________________________________________________
Name and Position of Recording Person (Official or Private)
Name-Surname _____________________________ Position _________________________________
Agency ____________________________________ Telephone _______________________________
2. Alien Information (Please Use Gregorian Calendar Format Day/Month/Year)
2.1. Alien’s Name _________________ Surname _________________ Middle _________________ Nationality _____________
Date of Birth _______ / ________ / _______ Age ________ year(s), Passport Numbers ______________________________
Father’s name/surname ______________________________ Mother’s name/surname ____________________________
2.2. Information on Alien’s Home Country
Address No. ______________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane ______________ Road _______________________
Sub-district ___________________ District, City ___________________ Region, Province, State ______________________
Country _________________________ Telephone Number _______________ Mobile phone Number ________________
Information of Community Leader (for national of Laos PDR, Cambodia, Myanmar and Vietnam)
Name __________________ Surname __________________ Middle __________________ Occupation ________________
Address No. _____________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road _______________________
Sub-district ____________________ District, City ____________________ Region, Province, State ____________________
Country _________________________ Telephone Number _______________ Mobile phone Number ________________
2.3. Address in Thailand
2.3.1. Address No. ______________ Village No. _______________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road ___________________
Sub-district _______________________ District, City ______________________ Province _______________________
Telephone Number _______________________________ Mobile phone Number ____________________________
2.3.2. Workplace _________________________ Address No. __________ Village No. ___________ Soi, Lane ____________ Road _______________________ Sub-district _______________________ District, City _____________________ Province ____________________ Telephone Number ______________ Mobile phone Number _________________
2.4. Frequently used Social Media (OPTIONAL-this will be used as additional means of communications from official)
2.4.1. Facebook ___________________________________
2.4.2. Line ID ____________________________________
2.4.3. Other _____________________________________ Email Address _____________________________________
2.5. Vehicle
Car/Motocycle’s Brand _________________________ Model ______________________ Color _______________________
License Plate Number ___________________________________________________________________________________
SUB - DIV.3, IMM. DIV.1
2.6. Frequently Visited Places or Premises (such as Club, Restaurant, Shop, Hospital etc.)
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
2.7. Emergency Contact Person(s)
2.7.1. Thai Nationality
Name ____________________________________________ Surname ___________________________________________
Address No. _______________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road ____________________ Sub-district ___________________________ District, City _______________________ Province _____________________ Telephone Number ________________________________ Mobile phone Number _______________________________ Workplace ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Address No. _______________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road ____________________ Sub-district ___________________________ District, City _______________________ Province _____________________ Telephone Number ________________________________ Mobile phone Number _______________________________
2.7.2. Foreign Nationality
Name ________________________ Surname _______________________ Middle ______________ Nationality _________
Address No. _______________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road ____________________ Sub-district ___________________________ District, City _______________________ Province _____________________ Telephone Number ________________________________ Mobile phone Number _______________________________ Workplace ____________________________________________________________________________________________ Address No. _______________ Village No. ________________ Soi, Lane _______________ Road ____________________ Sub-district ___________________________ District, City _______________________ Province _____________________ Telephone Number ________________________________ Mobile phone Number _______________________________
2.8. Bank Account Number (Only required for certain types of visa applications)
Bank ______________________ Branch ______________________ Account Name ________________________________
Account Number ______________________________________________________________________________________
Note: Other Details (If Any)
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Signed ____________________________ Alien
( ____________________________ )
Signed ____________________________ Interview/Recording Person
( ____________________________ )
Position ____________________________
_______ / _______ / ________
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Rather than call it Starman's form I would be inclined to use the official document title of Foreign National Information(1) :-
Can't attach it because the PDF file is too big. Keith please PM your email address and I will forward it.
Ray,
The form is not required by KCI, why would I want it?
My goal on this thread it so identify the KCI requirements, provide the forms, and help us all get approved. You stated that KCI did not want the form. However, Starman continues to push it even after being made aware KCI does not require it.
Why keep bringing the form up when KCI has rejected it? In my way of thinging that is just stupid to keep asking KCI about it when they have said they don't want it. I Just want to know what KCI requires and provide them the correct forms, and have these forms posted.
So until KCI requires the form, I not only intend to ignore it, but try to stop having it mentioned to KCI so they investigate it.
In America we have a principal of Kiss, which is what I am trying to do here.
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Keith,
They did want it...
.. then they didn't...
It is a Thai Immigration form and I have no doubt that it will soon be in general use - the intent could not be clearer:-
Foreign National Information
This form shall be used for making record of information of every alien entering and staying in the Kingdom of Thailand and shall be submit with Notification of Residence for Aliens
(section 37 , 38 of Immigration Act, B.E. 2522), or 90-days Notification, or Extension of Stays (all purposes), or Re-Entry Permit, or in all cases involving alien labors.
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Keith,
They did want it...
.. then they didn't...
It is a Thai Immigration form and I have no doubt that it will soon be in general use - the intent could not be clearer:-
Foreign National Information
This form shall be used for making record of information of every alien entering and staying in the Kingdom of Thailand and shall be submit with Notification of Residence for Aliens
(section 37 , 38 of Immigration Act, B.E. 2522), or 90-days Notification, or Extension of Stays (all purposes), or Re-Entry Permit, or in all cases involving alien labors.
Ray,
Here are sections 37/38. Please specify to me exactly where the information in starman's form is required:
After cancellation of the temporary entry permit
in reference to the provision of paragraph 1 of this
Section , the alien must be notified by
a written notice. In the case a
written notice cannot be sent to the
alien , yet the competent official has post a notice to
the alien’s place of stay , as previously notified , and
forty – eight hours , have passed , it is assume
d that the alien has received said notice.
Section 37 :
An alien having received a temporary entry pe
rmit into the Kingdom must comply with the
following :
1. Shall not engage in the occupation or tempor
ary or employment unless authorized by the
Director General. or competent official deputized by t
he Director General . If , in any case , there is a law
concerning alien employment provided hereafter , the
granting of work privileges must comply with the
law concerned.
2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to t
he competent official. Wher
e there is proper reason
that he cannot stay at the place as
indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official
of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.
3. Shall notify the police official of the local polic
e station where such alie
n resides, within twenty
– four hours from the time of arrival. In the case
of change in residence in which new residence is not
located the same area with the former police stations
, such alien must notify the police official of the
police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival.
4. If the alien travels to any pr
ovince and will stay t
here longer than twenty – four hours , such
alien must notify the police official of the police stati
on for that area within forty – eight hours from the time
of arrival.
5. If the alien stays in the Kingdom longer
than ninety days, such alien must notify the
competent official at the Immigration Division , in
writing , concerning his place of stay , as soon as
possible upon expiration of ninety days. The alien is
required to do so every ninety days. Where there is
an Immigration Office , the alien may notify a co
mpetent Immigration Official of that office.
The provision of ( 3 ) and ( 4 ) shall not apply to
any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as
prescribed by the Director General.
In making notification under this Section , the alien may make notification in person or send a
letter of notification to the competent official , in
accordance with the regulations prescribed by the
Director General .
Section 38 :
The house – master , the owner or the possess
or of the residence , or the hotel manager
where the alien , receiving permission to stay te
mporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the
competent official of the Immigrati
on Office located in the same area
with that hours , dwelling place or
hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of
the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office
located in that area , the local police official for that area must be notified.
In case the house , dwelling place , or hotel wher
e the alien has stayed under provision of Para.1
is located within the Bangkok area , such notificatio
n must be reported to the competent official at the
Immigration Division.
Making notification , in reference to the Para
1 and 2 of this Section , must comply with
regulations prescribed by the Director General.
For Example, where is the specified requirement for Motorcycle brand in the Starman form section 2.5? I don't see it so I don't understand how it can be clearer?
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I hate to say this, but WTF is wrong with you Brits?
KCI has a specified list of forms they require. I heard it was updated and I want those current forms. However, no feedback from my 100% success rate on retirement "visas" has included Starman's form.
Why can't you Brits join me in trying to identify the current requirements?
I want the ground truth on what KCI requires today, not years from now. So exactly what Starman form or Co co support helps getting to the truth?
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As of yesterday June 23 at 10:30 am KCI was not requiring or issuing said forumwith the packets of forums for retirement or marriage. :biggrin: What happens today is a different subject ::)
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Exactly. It is not required. And nothing I (we) have heard from KCI indicates this form is forthcoming. KCI has said they don't use the form, so stop bringing it to their attention.
Unfortunately Starman will probably be successful in getting his form added to the KCI requirements and it will be added to the list.
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As of 08-30 yesterday Jomtien Immigration started to use the form with the addition of a passport sized Photo
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As of 08-30 yesterday Jomtien Immigration started to use the form with the addition of a passport sized Photo
Unfortunately I believe y'all will be successful in bringing starman's form to the attention of KCI and making it required.
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You really are a dick sometimes,Urleft.
Your dislike for me and your inability to accept there might be something you don't know is clouding your judgement.
I have never tried to get this form into the requirement at KCI. How could I? I don't even use KCI.
What I did do was post a link to an informative post saying that the new form was being distributed. It has been confirmed to you that there are now 4 immigration offices using the form and that KCI used it once.
You claim 100% success but then you say one guy you helped needed new forms. That suggests that your package is out of date.
Whilst one has to commend you for what you are trying to do it is unfortunate that you will not accept advice or pointers to a possible change.
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Ok.. GL hit the nail on the head... What happens today at Immigration, No matter what office you go to, that's today.. Tomorrow it may be something totally
different.. I just did my Visa extension, at KCI, yesterday and the difference between yesterday and when I did it last year were like night and day.. Wasn't put
Under Consideration, like I was last year.. No walking across the street to make copies after the originals were stamped.. Just the original was needed.. No copies.
They now have signs at 2 of the stations, one for Surin and one for Buriram.. There are some updated Thai Forms that are now used.. They are easier to read and
include English in them...Sorry but I forgot to pick up some extra copies of the packets that they now use.. Last year it was 2 copies of everything, put Under
Consideration for 30 days and a Home Visit that lasted well over an hour.. What happens today, Who Knows? I read that new form it's a duplication of effort and just
more paperwork.. The majority of the information they want they already have.. Just looks like someone's way of pounding their chest, like the alpha Male, to get
a promotion.. It's just like everything else they do.. They come up with something new and throw it against the wall and see if it sticks.. My total visit yesterday
was a little under 2 hours.. They were courteous, professional, and efficient.. I walked out happy with a new visa extension and re-entry permit.. That was yesterday
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Ok.. GL hit the nail on the head... What happens today at Immigration, No matter what office you go to, that's today.. Tomorrow it may be something totally
different.. I just did my Visa extension, at KCI, yesterday and the difference between yesterday and when I did it last year were like night and day.. Wasn't put
Under Consideration, like I was last year.. No walking across the street to make copies after the originals were stamped.. Just the original was needed.. No copies.
They now have signs at 2 of the stations, one for Surin and one for Buriram.. There are some updated Thai Forms that are now used.. They are easier to read and
include English in them...Sorry but I forgot to pick up some extra copies of the packets that they now use.. Last year it was 2 copies of everything, put Under
Consideration for 30 days and a Home Visit that lasted well over an hour.. What happens today, Who Knows? I read that new form it's a duplication of effort and just
more paperwork.. The majority of the information they want they already have.. Just looks like someone's way of pounding their chest, like the alpha Male, to get
a promotion.. It's just like everything else they do.. They come up with something new and throw it against the wall and see if it sticks.. My total visit yesterday
was a little under 2 hours.. They were courteous, professional, and efficient.. I walked out happy with a new visa extension and re-entry permit.. That was yesterday
Good report.
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You really are a dick sometimes,Urleft.
Your dislike for me and your inability to accept there might be something you don't know is clouding your judgement.
I have never tried to get this form into the requirement at KCI. How could I? I don't even use KCI.
What I did do was post a link to an informative post saying that the new form was being distributed. It has been confirmed to you that there are now 4 immigration offices using the form and that KCI used it once.
You claim 100% success but then you say one guy you helped needed new forms. That suggests that your package is out of date.
Whilst one has to commend you for what you are trying to do it is unfortunate that you will not accept advice or pointers to a possible change.
Let's see, who is the dick here?
Urleft: Heard that KCI has updated forms, let's try to get them posted here.
or
Starman: Even though KCI has said they don't want Starman's Form, let's continue to ask them if they want the controverisal form.
And on the 100% success rate, the guy never came to me for help but he used what I posted here, took it to KCI and walked out with a new extension. So I did no have this guy as a client, however, if I did I would count him in my 100% success rate as he was successful in getting his new extension.
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https://asiancorrespondent.com/2016/06/thailand-intrusive-immigration-form/
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https://asiancorrespondent.com/2016/06/thailand-intrusive-immigration-form/
::)
Full name, date of birth, and passport number==============they have already
Full names of father and mother================== both dead
Full address and telephone numbers in home country============== I don't have any
Full address and telephone numbers of residence and workplace in Thailand=====don't work
Social media accounts and email address (optional)=======BE :)
Make of car/motorcycle, as well as its model, color, and license plate number====don't own,all in the wifes name
Frequently visited places such as clubs, restaurants, shops, hospital========= Noi's Noodle Shop
Emergency contact details (one of Thai nationality and one of foreign nationality)===== the wife
Bank account details such as bank, branch, account name and account number (only required for certain visas)==============they have already
So it's not that intrusive really as they have most of the Info already ...apart from BE buriramsmiley
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My point is that as of yesterday starman's form was not required at KCI, therefore it is not needed. One thing I have learned when dealing with GVT officials, do not offer them more than was is required. And Co Co, Nookie and Starman are probably correct that this will become a KCI requirement, but until then I would recommend not to keep bringing it to KCI's attention or it can become a self imposed requirement.
As I stated back in April, if and when KCI requires starman's form I will add it to the list (probably start a new Dummies thread).
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As of 13:00 today the form is now required.
I guess that has just answered your dick question.
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My point is that as of yesterday starman's form was not required at KCI, therefore it is not needed. One thing I have learned when dealing with GVT officials, do not offer them more than was is required. And Co Co, Nookie and Starman are probably correct that this will become a KCI requirement, but until then I would recommend not to keep bringing it to KCI's attention or it can become a self imposed requirement.
As I stated back in April, if and when KCI requires starman's form I will add it to the list (probably start a new Dummies thread).
I have never mentioned KCI.I SIMPLY STATED WHAT HAS HAPPENENED IN jOMTIEM IMMIGRATION
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Congratulations on your success at getting KCI to implement the Starman Form.
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Idiot.
The form has been around since April.
The immigration officer said that sometimes they forget to do it.All immigration offices have had a kick up the arse and been told to implement it. There is a copy in Thai and on in English.
HQ implemented it. I guess anyone with a problem should speak to them.
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As of 13:00 today the form is now required.
I guess that has just answered your dick question.
None so blind as a dick who will not listen !!
Maybe Stevo has been canvassing in Jomtien as well bravo1 whistle
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/926785-controversial-foreign-national-information-form-arrives-in-pattaya-being-rolled-out-nationwide/
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Stevo was killed off, somewhat unceremoniously, years ago. 5555
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With Starman's apparent success in getting KCI to implement the form it can be downloaded here:
Starman's Form: http://newscontent.thaivisa.com/2016/06/22/Foreign_National_Information.pdf
As noted the file is too large for posting on this forum.
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As you probably already know I am not an employee of the Royal Thai Police.
Thus I cannot be held responsible for this form.
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Seeing as this form has so eloquently been named after me, I have taken it upon myself to convert it into Word format so it can be downloaded from here, for the benefit of all members.
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I will open the betting now.
KCI didn't want my form when I went to do my extension - what odds that they WILL want one when I go back to get my 12 month stamp ?
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IMHO it's much ado about nothing as highlighted by SofaKing
If you are applying for an extension of stay (using money in Thai bank option) then they already have your bank account details and phone number and if you use online 90 day reports then they have your email address. As far as I am concerned if I need to fill the form in then I can accept that this is one of the conditions I must satisfy to remain in the Kingdom.
Also IMHO it is unlikely that any posts on this (or other) forum will influence immigration to implement or not implement any change to their existing procedures. But thats just me...
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IMHO it's much ado about nothing as highlighted by SofaKing
If you are applying for an extension of stay (using money in Thai bank option) then they already have your bank account details and phone number and if you use online 90 day reports then they have your email address. As far as I am concerned if I need to fill the form in then I can accept that this is one of the conditions I must satisfy to remain in the Kingdom.
Also IMHO it is unlikely that any posts on this (or other) forum will influence immigration to implement or not implement any change to their existing procedures. But thats just me...
Thank you.... Agree..
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IMHO it's much ado about nothing as highlighted by SofaKing
If you are applying for an extension of stay (using money in Thai bank option) then they already have your bank account details and phone number and if you use online 90 day reports then they have your email address. As far as I am concerned if I need to fill the form in then I can accept that this is one of the conditions I must satisfy to remain in the Kingdom.
Also IMHO it is unlikely that any posts on this (or other) forum will influence immigration to implement or not implement any change to their existing procedures. But thats just me...
Thank you.... Agree..
Agree too.
As I previously said I was only posting a link to an interesting news story. In no way have KCI been informed, certainly not on my part anyway. Even if they were, the idea of them listening to an expat asking them to change their procedures is just ludicrous.
If you read the form there are a couple of fields that are optional and also one that only refers to a certain type of visa.
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IMHO it's much ado about nothing as highlighted by SofaKing
If you are applying for an extension of stay (using money in Thai bank option) then they already have your bank account details and phone number and if you use online 90 day reports then they have your email address. As far as I am concerned if I need to fill the form in then I can accept that this is one of the conditions I must satisfy to remain in the Kingdom.
Also IMHO it is unlikely that any posts on this (or other) forum will influence immigration to implement or not implement any change to their existing procedures. But thats just me...
Thank you.... Agree..
I have a different opinion, the thought that one man could not have caused this form to be part of KCI required documents is not totally true.
Suppose this one man that is a very knowledgeable authority on Thailand Immigration issues told everyone he advised since April to “While you are at KCI ask if they need this form?”
We also know from postings here that Expats have actually tried to provide this form and possibly left copies at KCI.
If enough people ask a typical GVT employee will eventually ask their boss. If enough people asked this would have been brought the attention of the Head of KCI. They could then call their bosses and eventually could have received the answer “Yes we are going to implement the form, so you might as well do it.”
Some questions:
1. What is Official Thai Government Form Number?
2. What Official Thai Government Immigration order and/or website requires the form?
3. Why is the form not also in Thai? What other GVT mandated immigration forms are only in English?
As one posting said, KCI would mandate the form when KCI was ready, and then we would add it. It appears to me that this form is being implemented without the official process as was done with the penalty form.
This is almost a classic road to Abilene dynamic. Or what I call the Beckett complex, that is where a senior official says something and underlings cause it to happen without proper implementation.
And yes, the form is not that bad, and it is still easier that what my GVT requires. Thailand basically has that information anyway. However it is additional requirement that causes time and effort. For example, I know 2 people that had a completed immigration packet, until now.
And lastly, this form was never presented here as “Hey, heads up, there may be a new immigration requirement coming.” It was presented as “Here is a new form for your list”
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There is a form in Thai. You should read all posts.
The details about implementation are in the link. Read the link.
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There is a form in Thai. You should read all posts.
The details about implementation are in the link. Read the link.
Why not include the link in your posting so there would be no question as to exactly what you mean?
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There is a form in Thai. You should read all posts.
The details about implementation are in the link. Read the link.
I think you are trying (unnecessarily) to justify yourself.
You brought the form to peoples attention - that is good.
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I think you are correct, CoCo. Thanks.
Every one else seems content.
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Well congratulations to both of you for successfully bringing the form to local officials' attention and being a catalyst in causing KCI's implementation.
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Well congratulations to both of you for successfully bringing the form to local officials' attention and being a catalyst in causing KCI's implementation.
Congrats Keith............. paranoia in action!
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Well congratulations to both of you for successfully bringing the form to local officials' attention and being a catalyst in causing KCI's implementation.
Congrats Keith............. paranoia in action!
Ray,
I have over 30 years support to Governments, my last 5 on my job I had to move hundreds in/out of several countries, several times I was the senior man in country and had get a crisis solved now. I was investigated for taking US equipment out of the country on a Russian Jet chartered by the UK into middle east, lawyers had a field day with that one, and we all had a good laugh about it.
So I learned to work real hard to identify the requirements, provide those requirements, but do not offer extra. I kept extra as backup, but I provided the stated requirements.
So just like on this thread, I stated what was required. When People come to me I prepare them for other questions (e.g. bank book copies), but tell them not to provide it unless asked. I would highly recommend you use that principal. Only officially provide what is required. But have backup in case more is demanded.
From the start of Starman pushing his form (note he said add the form, not be prepared) I cautioned restraint on bringing it to KCI's attention, obviously you had other views.
So congratulations of your success.
However, one thing I note is that this may be a one time form, not a continuous requirement. Once you provide it that may be the one and only time. It will not be needed as an every time submission. But we will just have to wait and see.
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Just for your information,Dick.
I have not used KCI office for over 2 years. I have never offered anyone the form. I have warned that a new form may be shown and that a photo will be required.
I too am an expat living in Thailand. Why on earth would either myself or CoCo want to petition immigration to make things harder for expats to stay here.
The form has materialised, as I predicted. You can't handle being wrong.
So be it.
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Just for your information,Dick.
I have not used KCI office for over 2 years. I have never offered anyone the form. I have warned that a new form may be shown and that a photo will be required.
I too am an expat living in Thailand. Why on earth would either myself or CoCo want to petition immigration to make things harder for expats to stay here.
The form has materialised, as I predicted. You can't handle being wrong.
So be it.
Wow, are you on drugs?
To your statement you never offered anyone the form, what is this:
Here is a new form for your list, Urleft.
In my book that is not only a direct offer, but advocating providing it to immigration.
And then again here you are pushing the form:
You may wish to ask about this too:
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/926785-controversial-foreign-national-information-form-arrives-in-pattaya-being-rolled-out-nationwide/?utm_source=newsletter-20160622-1359&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/926785-controversial-foreign-national-information-form-arrives-in-pattaya-being-rolled-out-nationwide/?utm_source=newsletter-20160622-1359&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news)
Why would I need to ask if KCI already said no, other than to bring it to their attention?
And don't forget this post which you thanked:
There is a form in Thai. You should read all posts.
The details about implementation are in the link. Read the link.
I think you are trying (unnecessarily) to justify yourself.
You brought the form to peoples attention - that is good.
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The form has materialised, as I predicted. You can't handle being wrong.
So be it.
Exactly what was I wrong about? Quote me.
So according to you the form should be added to the packet even though KCI does not know about or require it? Amazing.
I'll remain suspect until it's officially required at KCI. And if and when that happens a new thread will probably be required as the KCI provided instructions should also change.
Also quote your prediction that the form will be required.
One reason I have not started a new dummy thread is that I don't have any independent verification that your form is required at KCI.
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BTW, I have a fairly good handle on KCI retirement requirements. My knowledge of other type "visa" issues is extremely limited to the point I don't advise people.
While I don't know all the ins/outs I don't think it is prudent to offer up on an open forum that while living in Buriram you have not used KCI for over 2 years. However, I readily acknowledge that your overall knowledge of Thailand immigration greatly exceeds mine, so I would expect you would be covered if an immigration official noted your statement.
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BTW, I have a fairly good handle on KCI retirement requirements. My knowledge of other type "visa" issues is extremely limited to the point I don't advise people.
While I don't know all the ins/outs I don't think it is prudent to offer up on an open forum that while living in Buriram you have not used KCI for over 2 years. However, I readily acknowledge that your overall knowledge of Thailand immigration greatly exceeds mine, so I would expect you would be covered if an immigration official noted your statement.
You have answered your own thoughts. Well done.
Actually I was given a lifetime visa for all of the good work I have done in the past with regards to making new forms and getting them implemented into KCI procedures. They love me down there. I even have my own hotline and fax number so I can regularly send them my new ideas. I ma ready for a new form right now. Hope to get it in by year end. I'll let you have a copy when it is ready.
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BTW, I have a fairly good handle on KCI retirement requirements. My knowledge of other type "visa" issues is extremely limited to the point I don't advise people.
While I don't know all the ins/outs I don't think it is prudent to offer up on an open forum that while living in Buriram you have not used KCI for over 2 years. However, I readily acknowledge that your overall knowledge of Thailand immigration greatly exceeds mine, so I would expect you would be covered if an immigration official noted your statement.
You have answered your own thoughts. Well done.
Not a problem. I know I am not perfect.
Now explain exactly how you did not provide Starman's form to anyone while posting "Here is a new form"
Here is a new form .
Your credibility is very suspect with your own post.
And please use my own words (as in quote) against me rather than just making a statement that I was wrong.
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Some questions:
1. What is Official Thai Government Form Number?
2. What Official Thai Government Immigration order and/or website requires the form?
3. Why is the form not also in Thai? What other GVT mandated immigration forms are only in English?
I realize that I was not specific enough on question 3 based on Starman's response. What I should have asked is "Why this form is not in dual Thai/English like most other immigration forms?"
Most of the Thai required immigration forms are both in Thai and English. There are exceptions such as the income form what was only in Thai. However, I cannot specify a single Thailand immigration form that is English only.
So what Thailand immigration forms are English only (and have a corresponding Thai only counterpart)?
It appears to me that Starman's form is the only one.
If this is not the case, provide the Thailand Government Link to the specified forms.
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Starman,
Now if you challenged me with quotes, I would answer directly. So here is your quote:
I have never offered anyone the form.
and your posting:
Here is a new form
So I am still waiting for you to explain the conflict.
If it were me, I would not hide. You said I was wrong recently, and I said quote me, I am still waiting.
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Actually I was given a lifetime visa for all of the good work I have done in the past with regards to making new forms and getting them implemented into KCI procedures. They love me down there. I even have my own hotline and fax number so I can regularly send them my new ideas. I ma ready for a new form right now. Hope to get it in by year end. I'll let you have a copy when it is ready.
So while you acknowledge special hotline to KCI and they love you there, you say you have no ability to affect them.
Again, are you on drugs?
You are now a proven liar.
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I myself came to the country after a direct request from the bank of Thailand to help them out with their difficulties.
(True bit): A police officer once told me that, for a bribe, I would never need to go to KC again.I'm sure a few people have taken advantage of this kind of offer.
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Actually I was given a lifetime visa for all of the good work I have done in the past with regards to making new forms and getting them implemented into KCI procedures. They love me down there. I even have my own hotline and fax number so I can regularly send them my new ideas. I ma ready for a new form right now. Hope to get it in by year end. I'll let you have a copy when it is ready.
So while you acknowledge special hotline to KCI and they love you there, you say you have no ability to affect them.
Again, are you on drugs?
You are now a proven liar.
Starman's post is British humour Mr urleft...
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Actually I was given a lifetime visa for all of the good work I have done in the past with regards to making new forms and getting them implemented into KCI procedures. They love me down there. I even have my own hotline and fax number so I can regularly send them my new ideas. I ma ready for a new form right now. Hope to get it in by year end. I'll let you have a copy when it is ready.
So while you acknowledge special hotline to KCI and they love you there, you say you have no ability to affect them.
Again, are you on drugs?
You are now a proven liar.
Starman's post is British humour Mr urleft...
Hook,line and sunker.
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That'll be a sinker.
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Actually I was given a lifetime visa for all of the good work I have done in the past with regards to making new forms and getting them implemented into KCI procedures. They love me down there. I even have my own hotline and fax number so I can regularly send them my new ideas. I ma ready for a new form right now. Hope to get it in by year end. I'll let you have a copy when it is ready.
So while you acknowledge special hotline to KCI and they love you there, you say you have no ability to affect them.
Again, are you on drugs?
You are now a proven liar.
Starman's post is British humour Mr urleft...
Hook,line and sunker.
Obviously getting to the truth is not a British goal.
Anyway, it is apparent that it is not worth my effort to try and get to the truth with you Brits. Therefore, say what you want, great for you. Starman wins.
A bud of mine reoriented me saying stop arguing with idiots, wow, did he nail it. When one side has no interest in getting to the truth, than it is all troll, no discussion.
Amazing, you Brits approve of liars instead of those trying to get to the truth. Ray, do you want to do things this way?
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You can't handle being wrong.
BTW Starman. Quote exactly from my postings where I was wrong, show my words not you just saying shit.
F$$king Troll.
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For those that care (which does not include Starman and Coco.
A client of mine is going to KC to complete his retirement "visa". Hopefully I get from him what was required. I hope to post the results, subject to idiots.
bbv v
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For those that care (which does not include Starman and Coco.
A client of mine is going to KC to complete his retirement "visa". Hopefully I get from him what was required. I hope to post the results, subject to idiots.
bbv v
Don't bother Keith, they will probably change it again when they get to Buriram.
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After being on "under consideration" for a month I got stamped today with no hassles. The Buriram table officer was very easy going. There was no mention of Starmans form,
I'm thinking, but don't really know, that when the Buriram office opens it'll be a lot better for us than it has been at KC.
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As mentioned before. There are 3 guys there. 2 can't be bothered and one can.
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For those that care (which does not include Starman and Coco.
A client of mine is going to KC to complete his retirement "visa". Hopefully I get from him what was required. I hope to post the results, subject to idiots.
bbv v
Don't bother Keith, they will probably change it again when they get to Buriram.
My goal is try to keep up to date forms available. Furthermore my understanding was that the forms did not change except they were updated to originals of the old form. Some of the old forms were copies of copied copies.
However, KCI was out of the new forms this week so I was not able to get copies.
If someone from Buriram is going to KCI, please try to get a complete KCI retirement instruction packet. PM me so we can meet, I will then post the updated forms. I believe that will help most of us.
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Probably time to forget KCI.
Time to focus on what is needed at BI.
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Probably time to forget KCI.
Time to focus on what is needed at BI.
Hopefully, that office will be opening soon.. It's already been delayed a few times...
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Probably time to forget KCI.
Time to focus on what is needed at BI.
Hopefully, that office will be opening soon.. It's already been delayed a few times...
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I was at KCI last week and the Buriram guy told me they will open at the end of July. So that's official then 555
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Does anyone have the phone number of Kap Choeng Immigration.
Regards
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044 5591 26 is the number I use
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I used 044559127 recently.
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Thank you Geordie Boy and NongKi bloke.
I just contacted KCI and they told me to continue going to KCI as the big boss doesn't know when they will open in Buriram. I told them I was due for the extension on the 27th of July and they said keep coming to KCI until the big boss signs..
Regards
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I was told that KCI has new and improved forms, but as yet I have not been able to get a copy.
If someone is going to KCI, please get a copy of the KCI retirement instruction packet (should have all the forms), then scan and post. Or PM me to meet and I will scan and post.
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A friend of mine was at KCI a week ago to do a 90 day report. He asked for a copy of the forms and was told " No. You are from Buriram. These forms are for expats in Surin. Your extension is not due yet.You need to wait until Buriram is open to get the forms."
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A friend of mine was at KCI a week ago to do a 90 day report. He asked for a copy of the forms and was told " No. You are from Buriram. These forms are for expats in Surin. Your extension is not due yet.You need to wait until Buriram is open to get the forms."
LOL, It will be interesting to see how they divide the area. For example, Will those in Nang Rong have to go to Buriram, KCI, or their choice?
But if and when the Buriram office opens (July 17, 2017?), at least it should be easier to get the forms.
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Nang Rong is in Buriram. They will use the Buriram office.
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^ +1
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This Monday morning I sent an employee to the office in Buriram of the soon to open Immigration office. "We will open in September" was the face to face answer in Thai. Not a firm date, but a firm month answer. That might be a more defined date than when a house might be 100% completed by some local builders.
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September of which year??
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Had a guy that went to KCI today and got his 2nd extension. Single, no significant other, lived in 3 different places during the past year. No home visit and KCI accepted the forms I have on this thread for download.
So unsure of what KCI is doing except maybe just passing the Buriram expats through in the hopes of getting them into the new office. The guy was told to do his 90 day at the Buriram office.
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Had a guy that went to KCI today and got his 2nd extension. Single, no significant other, lived in 3 different places during the past year. No home visit and KCI accepted the forms I have on this thread for download.
So unsure of what KCI is doing except maybe just passing the Buriram expats through in the hopes of getting them into the new office. The guy was told to do his 90 day at the Buriram office.
SI starting doing this about 6 months back. :o Over the past 12 months they have seriously lightened up. :biggrin: Nothing to with a maybe office in Buriram. ::)
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Was planning on traveling to Kap Choeng today; info says they are closed today. Another info source indicates they will be open only Friday and Saturday for the rest of this week? Wanting confirmation, anybody know for sure?
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Was planning on traveling to Kap Choeng today; info says they are closed today. Another info source indicates they will be open only Friday and Saturday for the rest of this week? Wanting confirmation, anybody know for sure?
No reason to be closed as not a holiday. Call them at 044559127
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Was planning on traveling to Kap Choeng today; info says they are closed today. Another info source indicates they will be open only Friday and Saturday for the rest of this week? Wanting confirmation, anybody know for sure?
Any chance that you post a link where you got that info from ?
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Was planning on traveling to Kap Choeng today; info says they are closed today. Another info source indicates they will be open only Friday and Saturday for the rest of this week? Wanting confirmation, anybody know for sure?
No reason to be closed as not a holiday. Call them at 044559127
Immigration is NEVER opened on a Saturday and thats nation wide. Time you change your sources. :biggrin:
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So much for believing their web site.
No one answered the phone when we called earlier in the day. Wifey called Kap Choeng Police to inquire; was told Immigration was open, Chinese day or not.
We made the drive - they were open.
Completed step 1 of my extension process (transfer to new Passport) with an additional 19 days added to Visa expiration date. Plan changed to doing the actual extension in Buriram after they make the move, "scheduled for the 1st; but, call Kap Choeng to confirm it actually happened." Quote, unquote.
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Went to Kap Choeng this morning for my first annual extension.
#1. It is still in Kap Choeng; move to Buriram - maybe Oct; maybe Dec; maybe 2560.
#2. Switched from Marriage to Retirement type. No problem.
#3. No 'home visit' req'd due to "you - yellow book - no need proof where live". Seemed to me the 'yellow book' works like a magic wand.
Actually, it was fairly simple; most of the copied materials I had were not needed. Thanks to Keith (urleft) for getting me ready!
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How many sets of the documents do they want?
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one
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Went to BI today and asked for their required forms. They gave me a TM 7 and the attached.
I should find out more during my next scheduled extension (Feb 2017). I actually hope it is just this simple, but I don't really believe it.
Any feedback from others?
My recommendation is to provide exactly what they state in a prepared packet. I might even include this form with each provided document checked. However, as backup I would have the additional forms specified on post #1.
I have a 2nd hand report that BI has the authority to approve Retirement extensions, therefore this BI document requirements could be correct.
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Went to BI today and asked for their required forms. They gave me a TM 7 and the attached.
I should find out more during my next scheduled extension (Feb 2017). I actually hope it is just this simple, but I don't really believe it.
Any feedback from others?
My recommendation is to provide exactly what they state in a prepared packet. I might even include this form with each provided document checked. However, as backup I would have the additional forms specified on post #1.
I have a 2nd hand report that BI has the authority to approve Retirement extensions, therefore this BI document requirements could be correct.
Do you not read other peoples' posts?
It has already been confirmed that Retirement extentions are being approved.
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Do you not read other peoples' posts?
It has already been confirmed that Retirement extentions are being approved.
Do you ever engage your brain before you post?
Quote one person that posted on this forum since Buriram Immigration opened that specifies what total documents are needed for a retirement extension. I never saw that post. There was a post that some of the forms have changed, but the forms were not identified. There was also a post that all the copies were not needed, but again, what extra copies were not identified.
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You said you had 2nd hand info that Buriram approves extensions.
I said it has already been confirmed.
That is all.
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Thanks.
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You said you had 2nd hand info that Buriram approves extensions.
I said it has already been confirmed.
That is all.
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Bearing in mind the officers, and I believe the supervisor, were trained in KCI would it not be probable that the requirements would be the same?
Why worry anyway? It is only once a year.
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I have also heard that BI cannot unilaterally approve Marriage extensions, they are approved out of Korat.
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Dummy's question.
I know that the TM7 is printed on one page, front and back.
What about the TM8 Re-entry application?
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Dummy's question.
I know that the TM7 is printed on one page, front and back.
What about the TM8 Re-entry application?
The TM8 I got from Buriram is a double sided one page form.
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Dummy's question.
I know that the TM7 is printed on one page, front and back.
What about the TM8 Re-entry application?
The TM8 I got from Buriram is a double sided one page form.
Thanks Buckwhelk
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Here is an experience from a BE member at Buriram Immigration from another thread:
I also use the bank balance method but KCI completed the "income" form for me.
So you didn't submit the "acknowledgement of conditions of extension of stay" or the "acknowledgement of the penalties of overstaying" ?
Nope. TM7, pre-filled, copy of main page and all stamped pages of passport, photo, copy of bank book, bank letter, copy of TW's house book, copy of her ID, 1900 Baht. That's it.
For the re-entry permit, TM8 pre-filled, copy of main page and all stamped pages of passport, 1000 Baht for single re-entry, which I probably won't even use. I didn't use last year's.
Looks like things are going to be easier than from KCI. My recommendation would be to provide exactly what KhunG stated is required, no more. BTW, that is in line with the Retirement instruction sheet that BI provided (attached).
Thanks Khun for specifying your experience on what BI requires.
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I find it funny that in that b/s handout, BI didn't mention the clause which states for the very first yearly extension of stay based on being over 50 (retirement), that the seasoning time for using banked money is ONLY 60 days. It's only every subsequent yearly extension using banked money where it must be seasoned for 3 months.
For those of you who can't read thai :) here's the engrish translation of clause 2.22 (the one about being over 50) from the current police order 327/2557 that's in effect now. I am sorry that some of the text was cut off but you get the idea..
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For those of you who can read thai :P. here's the thai version of the same clause.
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Just got back from BI.
When I got there 8:50am I was the only customer. I got a one year extension of my permission to stay based on retirement. Forms required were as per KhunG's earlier post but with one addition. They gave me a two sided one page form to complete. On one side was the "Acknowledgement of Conditions for Permitted continuation of stay in the Kingdom of Thailand" and on the other side was "Acknowledgement of Penalties of Overstay". I also got a multi re-entry permit (Copy of passport + departure card). The officer also did a new 90 day report (due in 3 weeks). All in all another happy visit. All done in 30-35 minutes, which for me was the fastest time ever. They also confirmed that the on line 90 day reporting can be used but that it was a little unstable. No "foreigner Information" form or TM30 (wife has NEVER filed one of these).
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When I did my extention of stay the immigration dude(KCI) gave me a new 90 days. I presumed it was the norm.
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When I did my extention of stay the immigration dude(KCI) gave me a new 90 days. I presumed it was the norm.
Last year I renewed my extension of stay in December, my 90 day report wasn't due until February (using online 90 day reporting) so immigration left my 90 days alone and I reported normally in Feb.
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Photo
While I was at the US Embassy last week they had a sign saying:
All passport photos must be taken without glasses!
So when you get your yearly immigration photo recommend you do without glasses in case you need for something else. Also recommend you wear a collared shirt for the photo.
This is mainly directed at US Citizens, however it could also apply to others.
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Don't want to do yearly extentions? Got 3m baht in the bank or 100k income? 10year stay coming soon.
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http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/business/2016/11/22/govt-approves-10-year-visas-foreigners-50/
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Please note they just approved the "rough draft" of this "miracle visa" and there's nothing really hashed out as in how it will be implemented, how it will actually work AND there is no roll-out date either.
In summary;
10-year visa for people over 50
- price of visa 10K baht
- over 50 years of age
- monthly income of 100K baht OR minimum deposit of 3million baht in a thai bank which cannot be touched for one year
- health insurance for one year with $1,000USD for out-patient care and $10,000USD in-patient care per policy year
- 90 day reporting still must be done
- visa can be extended another 5 years after the first 5
No article that I found in engrish or thai mentions if this is sold as a multi-entry visa or not.
Also no article mentions this is in ANY WAY replacing any type of existing yearly extension of stay (got inside the country at a thai immigration office) or any current visa type (gotten outside the country at a thai consulate). Although they do use the term "Long-Stay" which is used to denote ANY visa with an A after the type (O-A, B-A, ED-A, etc).
They are very long on speculation and very short on how this is exactly going to be implemented.. It also doesn't mention if foreigners get this "visa" outside the country at a thai consulate BEFORE winging their way here, or get it inside the country at a local immigration office.
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A sensible step forward if it comes to fruition
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They gave me a two sided one page form to complete. On one side was the "Acknowledgement of Conditions for Permitted continuation of stay in the Kingdom of Thailand" and on the other side was "Acknowledgement of Penalties of Overstay".
Just curious was this the overstay form & the terms / conditions of stay form?
These are what they use in Bangkok;
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They gave me a two sided one page form to complete. On one side was the "Acknowledgement of Conditions for Permitted continuation of stay in the Kingdom of Thailand" and on the other side was "Acknowledgement of Penalties of Overstay".
Just curious was this the overstay form & the terms / conditions of stay form?
These are what they use in Bangkok;
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Those look like the forms attached on Post #1 of this thread.
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They are very long on speculation and very short on how this is exactly going to be implemented.. It also doesn't mention if foreigners get this "visa" outside the country at a thai consulate BEFORE winging their way here, or get it inside the country at a local immigration office.
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Please note they just approved the "rough draft" of this "miracle visa" and there's nothing really hashed out as in how it will be implemented, how it will actually work AND there is no roll-out date either.
In summary;
10-year visa for people over 50
- price of visa 10K baht
- over 50 years of age
- monthly income of 100K baht OR minimum deposit of 3million baht in a thai bank which cannot be touched for one year
- health insurance for one year with $1,000USD for out-patient care and $10,000USD in-patient care per policy year
- 90 day reporting still must be done
- visa can be extended another 5 years after the first 5
No article that I found in engrish or thai mentions if this is sold as a multi-entry visa or not.
Also no article mentions this is in ANY WAY replacing any type of existing yearly extension of stay (got inside the country at a thai immigration office) or any current visa type (gotten outside the country at a thai consulate). Although they do use the term "Long-Stay" which is used to denote ANY visa with an A after the type (O-A, B-A, ED-A, etc).
The ray of sunshine blocked by clouds, albeit facts are facts. I remain cautiously optimistic.
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Sorry the quote thing didn't work quite right. Only the last line is mine.
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They gave me a two sided one page form to complete. On one side was the "Acknowledgement of Conditions for Permitted continuation of stay in the Kingdom of Thailand" and on the other side was "Acknowledgement of Penalties of Overstay".
Just curious was this the overstay form & the terms / conditions of stay form?
These are what they use in Bangkok;
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Yes these images look similar to the two sided form I had to complete.
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I am having an Issue with the layout of the TM8 and TM7 word document. It downloads as attached with the Thai writing overlaying the English writing. Can anyone help out?
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Check that the doc. format is compatible with the version of word you are using.
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I think it is compatible? Opens with word 2013? My computer saying no problems with compatibility? Is there somewhere I can download it in a PDF file so I can just print it out and fill it in with a pen?
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Problem solved... Found a link to a PDF TM8 web site. http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/pdf/tm8.pdf
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Good afternoon B.E users. There are a lot of pages now so could someone who knows tell me how many weeks in advance can you re-make the retirement visa, mine is due for renewal 9th February 2017. Also do any of you know if Nang Rong Bangkok Bank would know what I was on about when I say I need an account statement for Buriram immigration ?
Cheers in advance.
Bart
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Good afternoon B.E users. There are a lot of pages now so could someone who knows tell me how many weeks in advance can you re-make the retirement visa, mine is due for renewal 9th February 2017. Also do any of you know if Nang Rong Bangkok Bank would know what I was on about when I say I need an account statement for Buriram immigration ?
Cheers in advance.
Bart
You actually need a "bank letter for immigration" - best to get this dated on the day you go to immigration.
Immigration rules say 6 weeks but Kap Choeng would only do 1 month. Not sure if this has been tested on Buriram immigration
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Thank you CO-CO, have you had any dealings with Nang Rong Bangkok bank or Lam Pli Mat branches as they are the only ones I know of and this will be the first time I have tried this in Buriram.
Bart
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Thank you CO-CO, have you had any dealings with Nang Rong Bangkok bank or Lam Pli Mat branches as they are the only ones I know of and this will be the first time I have tried this in Buriram.
Bart
Maybe this helps (sample letter)
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Thank you CO-CO, have you had any dealings with Nang Rong Bangkok bank or Lam Pli Mat branches as they are the only ones I know of and this will be the first time I have tried this in Buriram.
Bart
Also make sure you update your bank book with a current dated event. Not sure how BI will handle but KCI made me update my bank book even though I had the letter dated the day before.
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Thanks urleft and iammike. They said there are no forms to fill in now when you go for renewal, so I will post on here if that is correct when I go next week.
Bart
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Thanks urleft and iammike. They said there are no forms to fill in now when you go for renewal, so I will post on here if that is correct when I go next week.
Bart
Bart,
I hadn't heard about the no forms on renewal, no forms are needed for 90 day report. Recommend you this:
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,9077.0.html
I plan on going in the next week and will do what's on post #1
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Bart
I did my renewal on December the 13th. I obtained my bank letter from Bangkok Bank in Lam Plait Mat. They have provided my letters for the past 3 years and are fully familiar with what is required. This most recent renewal they prepared the letter whilst I waited however the two previous years I was required to collect it the following day. Guess it depends on how busy they are or who you deal with. Charge is 100 baht.
Other forms required are exactly as outlined in in previous post link.
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I popped in on the way back from shopping to pick up the forms to pre-fill but the immigration lady said none were required, even when I showed her the old retirement visa. So as I say I will let you know next week unless you go before me of course.
Many thanks Freddy, I shall try Lam Plai Mat.
Bart
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Personally I'll be amazed if the forms listed in the link are no longer required to be pre-filled. Surely a misunderstanding. In December I didnt complete or sign a income declaration form. I assumed they overlooked this but maybe they no longer require that one. Might be worth double checking that she wasn't saying no form required in relation to your bank account.
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no she did say you needed the bank statement form but that no other forms were required. As I say wait and see.
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I'm kind of with Freddy. I recommend you fill out the TM 7, have passport and house book copies, and color photos. If you look at the downloads on the post 1 of the 2016 version there are retirement instructions that I specifically got from Buriram Immigration.
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,9077.0.html
But then again, maybe immigration has upgraded and will print the TM 7 for you and take your picture.
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Hi urleft, she said that I needed a house book copy with girlfriends id card on it but I am not sure about the photos now you come to mention it, they did take a picture of a Danish guy doing his visa, via their webcam at my time of asking her and as someone else somewhere has written, he was told to remove his glasses. However, I will take 2 with me just in case.
Cheers for your help and advice.
Bart
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In December they scanned in my completed TM7, took a web cam photo which was applied to the scanned copy and then stuck the photo I provided over the top of webcam photo. Same process for the re-entry permit. I didn't notice if they retained my original completed forms or discarded them. I don't recall being asked to re-sign the computer copies but I may have done.
Possibly they are going more computer based like they do for driving license but much more time consuming for them if they are filling in all information on our behalf.
Interested to hear the outcome.
Bart - Let us know and good luck with your extension.
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Thanks Freddy.
Does anybody know where you can get the passport size photos done in the Nang Rong or Lam Plai Mat towns, I only know the Robinsons / Makro strip so unless they have a photo booth in Robinsons or Big C then Buriram is ruled out for me.
Cheers in advance.
Bart
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Looks like I may have located one in Nang Rong in the market area, I shall investigate today.
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If not, there are a couple in Lam Plait Mat. Get yourself into town by the main entrance to the railway station and carpark on your left. Carry on down that road a couple of hundred metres and there are 2 shops on your left. I use the first of the 2. You will see the Fuji sign sticking out at the front of the shop.
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Looks like I may have located one in Nang Rong in the market area, I shall investigate today.
I know of one in Nong Ki
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Cheers guys, got them in Nang Rong
Regards
Bart
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I would recommend getting about a dozen at the time, they come in handy for other things. Furthermore, while you will probably not be allowed to reuse the photo you took last year, the photo taken the year before that is generally acceptable.
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Hi urleft.
I can confirm first hand that there are no forms, other than a declaration for why you are staying in the kingdom to be filled in, basically name and nationality in two places and passport number and signature and why you are staying, I wrote retirement.
They take a web cam photo and you also provide one photo for their paper records. A photocopy of your passport also.
They still require the Bank statement ( FYI which has been slightly updated from the one you posted for me ) and a proof of where you are living. In my case I gave them a copy of the house book with the girlfriends id card and signature. They staple them together put their office stamp on said pages and then you sign each page in front of them.
Mine was as in the original post for an extension ( renewal ) maybe a first timer has forms to fill in.
Hope this helps.
Bart
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They also did a new 90 day report form without me asking them, so that was useful too
Bart
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Glad it went OK. Seems lots of changes since I did my renewal mid December. Good news. The less forms the better.