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Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: ban1216 on March 07, 2013, 04:01:58 PM

Title: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on March 07, 2013, 04:01:58 PM
Ok sorry to cover what i am sure is old ground but i just need some clear concise information here as everything changes when i look by the week it seems
I have just arrived at lahansai and am now married to my beautiful wife (thai) and want to know where to go to alter my tourist triple entry visa to a 12 month type o visa and what requirements there are
I have a bank account now (KASIKORN BANK) WITH 400000 baht in but do not intend to work here as my wife will work in our salon to support us
with my triple entry tourist visa i assume i need to do a visa run after 2 months is there any need for me to report to immigration before this time ?
also where is the closest immigration office to lahan sai that are friendly if possible hehe
once again sorry to cover old ground
Roy
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: CO-CO on March 07, 2013, 04:43:02 PM
Roy, I am not 100% sure but I thought I would try and bump the thread until someone knowledgeable comes along.....


I don't believe Kap Choeng will do it so, I think that you will have to go to Bangkok (Chaeng Wattana)  with everything you need for a Non-Immigrant O visa based on marriage, In reality most people will take the whole shooting match as if they were doing an extension based on marriage. This is because CW have been known to by-pass the Non O and just issue a 12 month extension,

You will undoubtedly need to go twice (once to submit and once to receive the Non-Imm O, or Marriage Extension). Suggest you visit early in the last month of your current permission to stay.

You can always post the question on Thai Visa.com where there are a number of visa experts. This is a good website and lists everything you will need. Don't forget about the 'seasoning' of the bank balance for 2 months.:-

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/temporarystay/policy305-2551_en.pdf


Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on March 07, 2013, 05:11:00 PM
Thanks CO-CO didnt want to go back to bkk if i could help it and i was planning on waiting out the 2 months seasoning of the bank account then applying right away to allow time for unforseen hiccups i will keep bumping and hopefully somebody will come along who has done the same as me at kap choeng (korat)?
i read somewhere that the kasikorn bank isnt accepted as proof of funds is this correct ?
obviously this will entail a visa run lol
Cheers and look forward to any more info others can supply
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: CO-CO on March 07, 2013, 05:59:18 PM
Kasikorn is fine.

NOT. Korat (Dan Kwian) Kap Choeng near Chong Chom border is your local. immigration office.

Try and speak to Croc, Tel Boy or Richard the Baker all from Lahansai and know the form.

Call into KC by all means to seek their advice but I am sure you will need to go to CW.

Happy to be proved wrong :-)
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on March 07, 2013, 06:20:53 PM
 party12 cheers mate
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: urleft on March 07, 2013, 07:01:41 PM
I went from a tourist visa to a Retirement, it was done at Korat (KCI was not open) in Nov 2011. 

Advice, go early, like now.  You have to have something like 21 days left on your visa to change it. 

Also, fill out as much as the paperwork you can beforehand.  Make sure you have probably 6 photos (yes probably only need 3 or 4, but have extra just in case). 

No age for you listed, but if you are 50 and over you can get a retirement visa (less paperwork). 

As far as income/money in the bank, it has to be there for more than 3 months, 800K is needed for Retirement, I think 400K is OK for Marriage but have not personally done it.  An alternative is to go to your Embassy and get a statement of income of over 60K baht a month. 

Check out the KCI thread for forms and experiences. 
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: dundeemk6 on March 07, 2013, 08:06:43 PM
!!! income of minimum 65.000 a month !!!
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: CO-CO on March 07, 2013, 09:10:32 PM
I went from a tourist visa to a Retirement, it was done at Korat (KCI was not open) in Nov 2011. 

Advice, go early, like now.  You have to have something like 21 days left on your visa to change it. 

Also, fill out as much as the paperwork you can beforehand.  Make sure you have probably 6 photos (yes probably only need 3 or 4, but have extra just in case). 

No age for you listed, but if you are 50 and over you can get a retirement visa (less paperwork). 

As far as income/money in the bank, it has to be there for more than 3 months, 800K is needed for Retirement, I think 400K is OK for Marriage but have not personally done it.  An alternative is to go to your Embassy and get a statement of income of over 60K baht a month. 

Check out the KCI thread for forms and experiences.

Earlier posts suggest that Roy is under 50 and has put 400,000 Baht in the bank. Doesn't want to arse about showing income.

Just add - KCI = Kap Choeng Immigration.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: DeputyDavid on March 08, 2013, 04:48:23 AM
My situation is mariage/retirement.  Question:  Does the money have to be in Thai bank, and do you have to show proof every time you renew?

This site has been most helpful and I appreciate the responses!
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: CO-CO on March 08, 2013, 07:45:41 AM
My situation is mariage/retirement.  Question:  Does the money have to be in Thai bank, and do you have to show proof every time you renew?

This site has been most helpful and I appreciate the responses!

Yes and yes.

But.... you can never be 100% sure what each immigration office/officer will do.

The relevant Police Order states that the 400k must be held in a Thai bank account and it must have been held for 2 months (for marriage, 3 months for retirement). Proving 65,000 Baht is an alternative for retirement (40,000 p.m. for marriage extension!!). The book of words says you can mix income and bank deposit for retirement i.e. 200,000 Baht in the bank and income 32,500 Baht. This option is not offered for marriage extensions ... but, I have heard of immigration accepting a mix on occasions.

Everything is here:-

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/temporarystay/policy777-2551_en.pdf
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on March 08, 2013, 08:31:21 AM
I am under retirement age (43) and yes i dont actually have an income i am hoping my wife will provide this from our business (salon here) but i am prepared to keep the minimum required 800,000 baht in a bank account in preperation for retirement but until then i will be requiring firstly to change from triple entry tourist to type o visa then later will need to apply for extensions every year
Thanks for the advice to everybody you have been most helpful
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: urleft on March 08, 2013, 09:10:07 AM
I went to the US Embassy and got a statement of income, the embassy did not require any proof, they just stamped it. 

Not sure of the procedure for other embassies. 

Another option for you to expand your time is to make "Visa Runs" to Laos or Cambodia (which is just past KCI) to make sure you get to the time requirements for the money in the bank. 

However, the 400K baht appears to meet the Thai requirements so you should be OK. 
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: urleft on March 08, 2013, 09:14:08 AM
My situation is mariage/retirement.  Question:  Does the money have to be in Thai bank, and do you have to show proof every time you renew?

This site has been most helpful and I appreciate the responses!

Yes and yes.

But.... you can never be 100% sure what each immigration office/officer will do.

The relevant Police Order states that the 400k must be held in a Thai bank account and it must have been held for 2 months (for marriage, 3 months for retirement). Proving 65,000 Baht is an alternative for retirement (40,000 p.m. for marriage extension!!). The book of words says you can mix income and bank deposit for retirement i.e. 200,000 Baht in the bank and income 32,500 Baht. This option is not offered for marriage extensions ... but, I have heard of immigration accepting a mix on occasions.

Everything is here:-

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/temporarystay/policy777-2551_en.pdf

That is everytime you get a visa, the income requirement is not part of the 90 day check in.

Also when you get your very first 'visa', there is an application which gives you 90 days while the Thai GVT does some checks on you, they you go back and get the 1 year, both require income verification. 


Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: CO-CO on March 08, 2013, 09:32:14 AM
I went to the US Embassy and got a statement of income, the embassy did not require any proof, they just stamped it. 

Not sure of the procedure for other embassies. 

Another option for you to expand your time is to make "Visa Runs" to Laos or Cambodia (which is just past KCI) to make sure you get to the time requirements for the money in the bank. 

However, the 400K baht appears to meet the Thai requirements so you should be OK.

The British embassy is more circumspect with it's stamps - I had to show documentary evidence.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: urleft on March 08, 2013, 09:48:48 AM

The British embassy is more circumspect with it's stamps - I had to show documentary evidence.

Ray, how about leading the way on proper English.  The contraction it's means "it is" while its is possessive and would have been the proper word.     buttslap
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on March 26, 2013, 03:35:23 PM
Ok after a short chat with Croc i am considering the option of hopping over to laos and applying for my visa based on marriage there as it seems to be quicker and easier than the trip to bkk followed by another trip to bkk a month later ,any thoughts on this by you seasoned expats ?
thanks for any advice offered
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on March 26, 2013, 04:22:06 PM
If your going for an extention to stay based n retirement OR marriage Kap Choeng Immigration will convert a 30 day visa exempt stamp or a Tourist Visa 60+30 over. No need to go to Bangkok.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on March 26, 2013, 04:26:59 PM
Really i was under the impression that kap choeng wouldnt do this and i was required to go to bkk oh i do wish everything was a little clearer lol any more input on this i am currently on a triple entry tourist visa and will change it for the first time for type o non immigrant based on marriage :)
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on March 26, 2013, 04:34:05 PM
Really i was under the impression that kap choeng wouldnt do this and i was required to go to bkk oh i do wish everything was a little clearer lol any more input on this i am currently on a triple entry tourist visa and will change it for the first time for type o non immigrant based on marriage :)

I will personalty go to KCI tomorrow morning and confirm this one way or another as i live in Kap Choeng and will gt back to you asap..
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on March 26, 2013, 04:45:08 PM
 bravo1Excellent Got lost thankyou for your assistance
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: CO-CO on March 26, 2013, 04:50:02 PM
Really i was under the impression that kap choeng wouldnt do this and i was required to go to bkk oh i do wish everything was a little clearer lol any more input on this i am currently on a triple entry tourist visa and will change it for the first time for type o non immigrant based on marriage :)

I also believed that you had to go Chaeng Wattana (Bangkok) for this so I shall be interested to hear what GL has to report tomorrow.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on March 26, 2013, 04:57:29 PM
Just got back from KCI as I said they will convert on a 30 day exempt or a tourist visa over to retirement OR marriage. No need to go to Bangkok .AND YES M&D Coffee is back up and is in operation.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on March 26, 2013, 05:28:56 PM
Excellent news GL maybe i shall come over for a coffee with my lovely wife while i am there i can sleep at night now i hate that long drive to bkk    punk
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on March 26, 2013, 07:28:10 PM
and we do have beer and food. thumbup rolleyesbar
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on May 30, 2013, 08:54:10 AM
Quick update after my visit to KCI ,
On this occasion they would not ,or could not convert my tourist triple entry visa to a non immigrant O visa i was informed i would have to go to bkk and change it over there which is a complete pain in the ass as i will need to go and come back twice ffs oh well the joys of thailand  ::)
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on May 30, 2013, 09:31:37 AM
Quick update after my visit to KCI ,
On this occasion they would not ,or could not convert my tourist triple entry visa to a non immigrant O visa i was informed i would have to go to bkk and change it over there which is a complete pain in the ass as i will need to go and come back twice ffs oh well the joys of thailand  ::)

Yes single no problem but trip off to BK. Why don't you use the trip then go over to an extention on the last thirty days. You have all ready paid for it.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on May 30, 2013, 09:40:17 AM
Honestly i just want the visa sorted so i can relax a little but i do get your meaning just use my last entry and get another 2 months to change over to a non 0 unfortunately nothing is that simple as my belongings are arriving in bkk on the 5th of june and i have been asked to show the officials my non o visa before i can collect /have them delivered to me here at lahan sai  slapfight
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on May 30, 2013, 10:26:58 AM
Honestly i just want the visa sorted so i can relax a little but i do get your meaning just use my last entry and get another 2 months to change over to a non 0 unfortunately nothing is that simple as my belongings are arriving in bkk on the 5th of june and i have been asked to show the officials my non o visa before i can collect /have them delivered to me here at lahan sai  slapfight

OK. Go for it.. party4
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on June 07, 2013, 06:48:49 PM
Ok update on visa situation after visiting cheang wattana (and what a building that government complex is i was very impressed)
I am reliably informed that for all first time changes of visa type they must be done from the central immigration department at CW ,
So after the 5 hour drive to bkk we slept at a friends room and took a taxi in the morning to the local ampher where we got married to obtain a copy of my affirmation to marry first in the queue and away in less than 10 minutes copies in hand  :biggrin: then the next taxi was to CW after being dropped in the wrong bloody place and dodging all the men who wanted to do our visa for anywhere between 40000 and 20000 baht we finally found the main building and entered where we had to check our forms again to make sure they were all in order and they were then we waited in line to be given a ticket for our place at the next desk quite quick and painless so far then first desk i extended my existing visa for 30 days cost 1900 baht and change was returned to me  moneysmile
  Next back to the queue to get a ticket for the other side of the office to change to non o visa ticket was issued and we had 23 people in front of us  slapfight so we patiently waited counting down until 12 pm when we all got thrown out due to lunchtime  tired1 so after a dubious meal we returned to patiently wait and eventually got called up and our application was checked and scrutinised and then we were asked to see the required documents (all ok so far) all copies in order ,ok can i see the original wedding certificate please ,no problem feeling quite pleased with my self  ok and your wifes blue book original as well ,Yes no problem Nok can i have the blue book please ???????????????????? What do you mean you gave it back to your mum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so off she goes to the local office by taxi bike to acquire an authenticated copy from them and that was that ,oh yes except we have to go back in 2 weeks for the verdict  brick1
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on June 22, 2013, 09:32:16 PM
ok cheang wattana have given me a non immigrant o visa now valid for 90 days  party11 so the next stage is getting the 12 month extension 30 days before the visa expires so a trip over to kap choeng again in a few months then hopefully can do all by registered post and life will be simpler (touch wood)
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on June 23, 2013, 07:48:27 AM
ok cheang wattana have given me a non immigrant o visa now valid for 90 days  party11 so the next stage is getting the 12 month extension 30 days before the visa expires so a trip over to kap choeng again in a few months then hopefully can do all by registered post and life will be simpler (touch wood)

as said KC does not accept mail reporting..Sorry.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: Nobby on June 23, 2013, 08:37:24 AM
ok cheang wattana have given me a non immigrant o visa now valid for 90 days  party11 so the next stage is getting the 12 month extension 30 days before the visa expires so a trip over to kap choeng again in a few months then hopefully can do all by registered post and life will be simpler (touch wood)

If you want to make life simpler, I'd suggest a trip out to KC beforehand just to check exactly what they require.

Every office AND officer has their own agenda/rules so for the sake of a trip out (visit market and maybe a restaurant or 3) it will make your eventual application very easy.

Good luck.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on June 23, 2013, 09:03:04 AM
yes thanks for that i have allready visited kc and discussed this before i acquired my non O from bkk so everything should be straightforward (i hope)
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on June 23, 2013, 09:06:57 AM
Ok so kc doesnt accept mailed 90 day reports ,does korat accept reports by mail and can i report there ??
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on June 23, 2013, 09:11:03 AM
Ok so kc doesnt accept mailed 90 day reports ,does korat accept reports by mail and can i report there ??

korat will not let you report. you have to use kc.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: Nobby on June 23, 2013, 09:28:25 AM
Ok so kc doesnt accept mailed 90 day reports ,does korat accept reports by mail and can i report there ??

About 4 years ago guidance notes were issued to all Immigration Police throughout Thailand saying where people should report to for each province.

If you live in Buriram or Surin you use KC
If you live in Korat you use Korat
If you live in Sisaket you use Sisaket (sub to Ubon)

for instance.

Look on the bright side, at least KC has a nice coffee shop opposite where you can also get a burger & beer! LOL!  party15
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on June 23, 2013, 09:31:54 AM
Ok so kc doesnt accept mailed 90 day reports ,does korat accept reports by mail and can i report there ??

About 4 years ago guidance notes were issued to all Immigration Police throughout Thailand saying where people should report to for each province.

If you live in Buriram or Surin you use KC
If you live in Korat you use Korat
If you live in Sisaket you use Sisaket (sub to Ubon)

for instance.

Look on the bright side, at least KC has a nice coffee shop opposite where you can also get a burger & beer! LOL!  party15

 thumbup party4 thumbup
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on June 23, 2013, 09:34:57 AM
Excellent informative post thanks very much and yes i have visited said coffee shop and shall call in again when im there dfor breakfast
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: nookiebear on June 23, 2013, 07:09:00 PM
Ok so kc doesnt accept mailed 90 day reports ,does korat accept reports by mail and can i report there ??

korat will not let you report. you have to use kc.
That is totally wrong info............Everyone here in Nong Ki ,BURIRAM do their 90 day report at Dan Kwain with no problem.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on August 01, 2013, 02:02:06 PM
So Paul i will be able to report at DK or KCI whats the better option ???? (from lahan sai)
Ok the saga continues i am coming upto the last 30 days of my first non immigrant O visa  and getting prepared to get my 12 month extension from KCI
So i have
2 copies of my passport all pages
2 copies of my TM6
2 copies of my wifes blue book
2 copies of our wedding certificate
2 copies of my affirmation of freedom to marry
2 copies of my wifes id
plenty of pictures of me and the wife at the house
2 copies of a map to the house
2 copies of TM7
2 60X40 MM pictures of myself
 

AM I MISSING ANYTHING ???
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: nookiebear on August 01, 2013, 03:49:47 PM
So Paul i will be able to report at DK or KCI whats the better option ???? (from lahan sai)
Ok the saga continues i am coming upto the last 30 days of my first non immigrant O visa  and getting prepared to get my 12 month extension from KCI
So i have
2 copies of my passport all pages
2 copies of my TM6
2 copies of my wifes blue book
2 copies of our wedding certificate
2 copies of my affirmation of freedom to marry
2 copies of my wifes id
plenty of pictures of me and the wife at the house
2 copies of a map to the house
2 copies of TM7
2 60X40 MM pictures of myself
 

AM I MISSING ANYTHING ???

KC is far closer to you ...........unless you are travelling to Korat.
Re your visa.....I would have thought you have to show funds in the bank!
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on August 01, 2013, 04:07:04 PM
So Paul i will be able to report at DK or KCI whats the better option ???? (from lahan sai)
Ok the saga continues i am coming upto the last 30 days of my first non immigrant O visa  and getting prepared to get my 12 month extension from KCI
So i have
2 copies of my passport all pages
2 copies of my TM6
2 copies of my wifes blue book
2 copies of our wedding certificate
2 copies of my affirmation of freedom to marry
2 copies of my wifes id
plenty of pictures of me and the wife at the house
2 copies of a map to the house
2 copies of TM7
2 60X40 MM pictures of myself
 

AM I MISSING ANYTHING ???

MONEY. Your funds . 400k for 60 days seasoned letter from bank or prof of income from your embassy.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: Somnat on August 01, 2013, 04:30:48 PM
And the Khor Ror 2 from your district office (?)
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: nookiebear on August 01, 2013, 04:35:19 PM
So Paul i will be able to report at DK or KCI whats the better option ???? (from lahan sai)
Ok the saga continues i am coming upto the last 30 days of my first non immigrant O visa  and getting prepared to get my 12 month extension from KCI
So i have
2 copies of my passport all pages
2 copies of my TM6
2 copies of my wifes blue book
2 copies of our wedding certificate
2 copies of my affirmation of freedom to marry
2 copies of my wifes id
plenty of pictures of me and the wife at the house
2 copies of a map to the house
2 copies of TM7
2 60X40 MM pictures of myself
 

AM I MISSING ANYTHING ???

MONEY. Your funds . 400k for 60 days seasoned letter from bank or prof of income from your embassy.

If its the same rule as Pattaya your bank letter is only valid for 48 hours
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on August 01, 2013, 05:19:05 PM
 yes kor ror 2 i have and i didnt mention letter about funds from the bank  as i dont have it yet will get it the day before
so APART FROM THE KOR RAR 2 AND THE FUNDS LETTER FROM BANK what else have the romans ever done for us !!!!
errrrr i mean is that the lot lol sorry monty python slipped out there ;D
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: nookiebear on August 01, 2013, 05:23:49 PM
yes kor ror 2 i have and i didnt mention letter about funds from the bank  as i dont have it yet will get it the day before
so APART FROM THE KOR RAR 2 AND THE FUNDS LETTER FROM BANK what else have the romans ever done for us !!!!
errrrr i mean is that the lot lol sorry monty python slipped out there ;D

Take that mask off before the photo shot!
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on August 01, 2013, 05:31:22 PM
 :D
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: dundeemk6 on August 01, 2013, 06:14:51 PM
ad eternam
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on August 01, 2013, 06:20:28 PM
 :ohmy:oh please i struggle with English so Latin has no chance
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on August 01, 2013, 07:40:33 PM
yes kor ror 2 i have and i didnt mention letter about funds from the bank  as i dont have it yet will get it the day before
so APART FROM THE KOR RAR 2 AND THE FUNDS LETTER FROM BANK what else have the romans ever done for us !!!!
errrrr i mean is that the lot lol sorry monty python slipped out there ;D

Take that mask off before the photo shot!

A certified copy of your Affirmation to Marry from your embassy. KCI requires this for first time marriage extension.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: ban1216 on August 01, 2013, 08:00:32 PM
 :) yes ive got that i think lol
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on August 01, 2013, 08:04:09 PM
In that case ITS PARTY TIME.. cheergirl I thank.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: urleft on August 01, 2013, 08:33:15 PM
Thailand immigration is cracking down on Marriage Visas. 

As I understand during recent years there has been a large surge in marriage visa applications.  Seems that several foreigners found out they could get a marriage visa by "marring" a Thai girl, paying her off, and conducting their business. 

My Brit buddy is changing his visa from retirement to marriage.  They gave him a large hassle. Last week 4 immigration officials from Korat came to his home doing checks to see if he really lived here with his TW.  He applied for his visa on 10 July, and has to return to KCI to finalize it in 10 days.   

Just a heads up on what is happening. 

Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: nookiebear on August 02, 2013, 05:42:07 AM
DON'T FORGET TO TAKE THE MISSUS WITH YOU
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: nookiebear on August 02, 2013, 06:05:04 AM
Thailand immigration is cracking down on Marriage Visas. 

As I understand during recent years there has been a large surge in marriage visa applications.  Seems that several foreigners found out they could get a marriage visa by "marring" a Thai girl, paying her off, and conducting their business. 

My Brit buddy is changing his visa from retirement to marriage.  They gave him a large hassle. Last week 4 immigration officials from Korat came to his home doing checks to see if he really lived here with his TW.  He applied for his visa on 10 July, and has to return to KCI to finalize it in 10 days.   

Just a heads up on what is happening. 


Its not unusual for Immigration to go & check that the address & particulars given are correct........Happens all the time in Pattaya
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: Starman on August 02, 2013, 07:22:13 AM
Thailand immigration is cracking down on Marriage Visas. 

As I understand during recent years there has been a large surge in marriage visa applications.  Seems that several foreigners found out they could get a marriage visa by "marring" a Thai girl, paying her off, and conducting their business. 

My Brit buddy is changing his visa from retirement to marriage.  They gave him a large hassle. Last week 4 immigration officials from Korat came to his home doing checks to see if he really lived here with his TW.  He applied for his visa on 10 July, and has to return to KCI to finalize it in 10 days.   

Just a heads up on what is happening. 



Been happening for a long time.

People complain about having to "jump through hoops", but at the end of the day is is not Immigration's fault. It is, as noted by Urleft, the fault of the people who try to find a short cut to staying here full time.

As always, a few undesirables spoiling it for others.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: gotlost on August 02, 2013, 08:35:56 AM
Thailand immigration is cracking down on Marriage Visas. 

As I understand during recent years there has been a large surge in marriage visa applications.  Seems that several foreigners found out they could get a marriage visa by "marring" a Thai girl, paying her off, and conducting their business. 

My Brit buddy is changing his visa from retirement to marriage.  They gave him a large hassle. Last week 4 immigration officials from Korat came to his home doing checks to see if he really lived here with his TW.  He applied for his visa on 10 July, and has to return to KCI to finalize it in 10 days.   

Just a heads up on what is happening. 



Been happening for a long time.

People complain about having to "jump through hoops", but at the end of the day is is not Immigration's fault. It is, as noted by Urleft, the fault of the people who try to find a short cut to staying here full time.

As always, a few undesirables spoiling it for others.

Totally agree with you SM.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: urleft on August 02, 2013, 09:21:46 AM
DON'T FORGET TO TAKE THE MISSUS WITH YOU

And while this may be a first, I totally agree with you.   

However, my Brit buddy experienced the downside.  Seems at KCI when you have your missus, they will talk past you to her.  However, when there is an issue, Thai's are not too keen on challanging authority (including getting clarification).  My bud kept asking the agent what they needed, and the agent would then respond in Thai to the wife. 

Next week will be his 3rd trip in 2 months to KCI for this marriage visa.  However, it looks like it is resolved. 


Additional information:  The reason he is changing to a marriage visa is because he started working as an English Teacher.  Work is not allowed on a Retirement visa, but is allowed with a marriage visa.  He could have gotten the B visa to work, but as I understand that Visa expires as soon as the school year is done, so the teacher has to do border runs or such for 2 months. 
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: Starman on August 02, 2013, 09:39:53 AM
DON'T FORGET TO TAKE THE MISSUS WITH YOU

And while this may be a first, I totally agree with you.   

However, my Brit buddy experienced the downside.  Seems at KCI when you have your missus, they will talk past you to her.  However, when there is an issue, Thai's are not too keen on challanging authority (including getting clarification).  My bud kept asking the agent what they needed, and the agent would then respond in Thai to the wife. 

Next week will be his 3rd trip in 2 months to KCI for this marriage visa.  However, it looks like it is resolved. 


Additional information:  The reason he is changing to a marriage visa is because he started working as an English Teacher.  Work is not allowed on a Retirement visa, but is allowed with a marriage visa.  He could have gotten the B visa to work, but as I understand that Visa expires as soon as the school year is done, so the teacher has to do border runs or such for 2 months. 

Then learn to speak Thai.

An extension of stay expires when the reason for extension stops. Ie. if you are a teacher the extension will be granted up to the end of your contract. Before end of contract you negotiate a new one. Then you have documents to further extend.

Seems your buddy has a duff job where they are only giving him a 10 moth contract to save paying him in March and April. Tell him not to change reason for extension but change jobs.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: Antonio on August 02, 2013, 09:50:44 AM
DON'T FORGET TO TAKE THE MISSUS WITH YOU

And while this may be a first, I totally agree with you.   

However, my Brit buddy experienced the downside.  Seems at KCI when you have your missus, they will talk past you to her.  However, when there is an issue, Thai's are not too keen on challanging authority (including getting clarification).  My bud kept asking the agent what they needed, and the agent would then respond in Thai to the wife. 

Next week will be his 3rd trip in 2 months to KCI for this marriage visa.  However, it looks like it is resolved. 


Additional information:  The reason he is changing to a marriage visa is because he started working as an English Teacher.  Work is not allowed on a Retirement visa, but is allowed with a marriage visa.  He could have gotten the B visa to work, but as I understand that Visa expires as soon as the school year is done, so the teacher has to do border runs or such for 2 months. 

Then learn to speak Thai.

An extension of stay expires when the reason for extension stops. Ie. if you are a teacher the extension will be granted up to the end of your contract. Before end of contract you negotiate a new one. Then you have documents to further extend.

Seems your buddy has a duff job where they are only giving him a 10 moth contract to save paying him in March and April. Tell him not to change reason for extension but change jobs.
Easier still,give the job up and stay on a retirement visa. happy2
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: urleft on August 02, 2013, 09:55:29 AM
He is/was a complete novice to the process.  He tried to get with several people around Buriram to get a job, but could not make a connection, so he got one in Surin.  He was not able to get with a local expert to guide him through all the hoops, traps, incidentals, etc. but he has fumbled along trying his best to get through all the processes.

He responded to several posters on this site, but they either disappeared, never responded, or were too far (Korat).

And I am sure he will agree with you, and plans to do so next year.  But he feels loyalty to the people that got him a job, got him certified, he will continue on it through the end of the contract.  Too bad he was not able to find local help. 

Who would you recommend he contact in Buriram about a quality job teaching for next year? 
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: Starman on August 02, 2013, 10:01:51 AM
He is/was a complete novice to the process.  He tried to get with several people around Buriram to get a job, but could not make a connection, so he got one in Surin.  He was not able to get with a local expert to guide him through all the hoops, traps, incidentals, etc. but he has fumbled along trying his best to get through all the processes.

He responded to several posters on this site, but they either disappeared, never responded, or were too far (Korat).

And I am sure he will agree with you, and plans to do so next year.  But he feels loyalty to the people that got him a job, got him certified, he will continue on it through the end of the contract.  Too bad he was not able to find local help. 

Who would you recommend he contact in Buriram about a quality job teaching for next year? 

If he has only been in a job for a year he is not certified. If he is certified he would have got a 12 month contract.

Someone to contact about teaching jobs???? Schools
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: urleft on August 02, 2013, 01:02:50 PM
He is/was a complete novice to the process.  He tried to get with several people around Buriram to get a job, but could not make a connection, so he got one in Surin.  He was not able to get with a local expert to guide him through all the hoops, traps, incidentals, etc. but he has fumbled along trying his best to get through all the processes.

He responded to several posters on this site, but they either disappeared, never responded, or were too far (Korat).

And I am sure he will agree with you, and plans to do so next year.  But he feels loyalty to the people that got him a job, got him certified, he will continue on it through the end of the contract.  Too bad he was not able to find local help. 

Who would you recommend he contact in Buriram about a quality job teaching for next year? 

If he has only been in a job for a year he is not certified. If he is certified he would have got a 12 month contract.

Someone to contact about teaching jobs? ??? Schools

This was typical of the guidance he got here in Buriram.  Yes he tried to talk to schools, the usual response was "Come back in May."  This was March.  Other helpful suggestions were to go the teaching seminars in Bangkok and let them set you up.
 
And how many Thai's in schools would give a Farang guidance on what would be the best Visa (extension) for him, and how to overcome the 2 month gap?  No one here offered.  He did get a number of a local Farang teacher,  but was basically told wait until May.
 
Luckily he found a Farang in Surin that procured teachers for a Surin school.  He helped my friend put together the packages to get certified, showed him the teaching cirriculum, helped him with visa issues, and gave him the benefit of his experience.  So next May he should be able to go to a local Buriram School, already certified (out of Bangkok) plus having Thailand teaching experience.
 
 
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: Starman on August 02, 2013, 02:38:32 PM
He is/was a complete novice to the process.  He tried to get with several people around Buriram to get a job, but could not make a connection, so he got one in Surin.  He was not able to get with a local expert to guide him through all the hoops, traps, incidentals, etc. but he has fumbled along trying his best to get through all the processes.

He responded to several posters on this site, but they either disappeared, never responded, or were too far (Korat).

And I am sure he will agree with you, and plans to do so next year.  But he feels loyalty to the people that got him a job, got him certified, he will continue on it through the end of the contract.  Too bad he was not able to find local help. 

Who would you recommend he contact in Buriram about a quality job teaching for next year? 

If he has only been in a job for a year he is not certified. If he is certified he would have got a 12 month contract.

Someone to contact about teaching jobs? ??? Schools

This was typical of the guidance he got here in Buriram.  Yes he tried to talk to schools, the usual response was "Come back in May."  This was March.  Other helpful suggestions were to go the teaching seminars in Bangkok and let them set you up.
 
And how many Thai's in schools would give a Farang guidance on what would be the best Visa (extension) for him, and how to overcome the 2 month gap?  No one here offered.  He did get a number of a local Farang teacher,  but was basically told wait until May.
 
Luckily he found a Farang in Surin that procured teachers for a Surin school.  He helped my friend put together the packages to get certified, showed him the teaching cirriculum, helped him with visa issues, and gave him the benefit of his experience.  So next May he should be able to go to a local Buriram School, already certified (out of Bangkok) plus having Thailand teaching experience.
 
 

I would like to see a link to his requests.

Indeed a seminar in Bangkok would have got him a job. There is an agency that runs an English program that has a few teachers employed here in Buriram. All recruited from their annual seminar. As advertised on the most famous teaching website in Thailand.

Is your friend a teacher in his home country? If not then after one year in Thailand he certainly is not "certified out of Bangkok". He most probably has a 2 year temporary teacher's licence. This will do him absolutely no good if he moves to Buriram as they are only good for the school where he got it. They are not transferable.  Also next year he will have to go to Bangkok and take a series of tests.

Schools don't have to explain how to get over the 2 month gap as there should not be one. He should have asked the school  for a 12 month contract. If the school don't wish to pay him for 2 months then get that put in the contract. Most schools are also fully aware of visa and work permit procedures. At the end of every year, if he has to do border runs for 2 months, he also has to go back to Laos to get a new Non B.

The reasons he was told to "come back in May" in March is because that is the school holiday. Recruiting goes on end of April and start of May. There are hundreds of schools looking for teachers. Most offering 12 month contracts, as that is the length of grant they get. Someone somewhere has got his 2 month salary .Many teachers in this neck of the woods get jobs by looking.

You didn't mention what qualifications your buddy has got. Has he got any?

Sounds a bit like your buddy wanted it all at his feet.

Why am I telling you all this anyway? Surely the man in Surin mentioned it.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: urleft on August 02, 2013, 03:47:16 PM
I can guarantee you this, you know way more about it than I ever will.  You sound experienced in the subject.  Any info I gave on a teaching job was 2nd or 3rd hand. 

From my standpoint my buddy is kind of like a pinball bouncing off one obstacle to the next.  There were/are a lot of issues with his getting a teaching job, and it seems his perseverance is paying off for him.  I fear that there are more hidden traps for him. 

I emailed this link to him, will see what he makes of it. 
 
BTW, in case you suspect I am talking about myself.  Not close, I will endorse what Antonio said about:  "Easier still,give the job up and stay on a retirement visa"   I am one of those lucky people that is enjoying life here and not really looking to find work.  If my bud contacts you, please do not hold knowing me against him. 
 
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: Somnat on August 02, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
I can guarantee you this, you know way more about it than I ever will.  You sound experienced in the subject.  Any info I gave on a teaching job was 2nd or 3rd hand. 

From my standpoint my buddy is kind of like a pinball bouncing off one obstacle to the next.  There were/are a lot of issues with his getting a teaching job, and it seems his perseverance is paying off for him.  I fear that there are more hidden traps for him. 

I emailed this link to him, will see what he makes of it. 
 
BTW, in case you suspect I am talking about myself.  Not close, I will endorse what Antonio said about:  "Easier still,give the job up and stay on a retirement visa"   I am one of those lucky people that is enjoying life here and not really looking to find work. If my bud contacts you, please do not hold knowing me against him. 
 

Keith, I nominate your above (highlighted by me) quote for the "quote of the week" Absolute classic  :D :D :D thumbup

In reference to your buddy, if it is the guy I am thinking of, I emailed him in February and updated him on a position that had already been filled.
 
I also suggested to him, back then, to make contact with starman via BE as a possible source of information.

I never got a reply and assumed he had got some work.

If its not him, please disregard  the above.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: Starman on August 02, 2013, 04:45:08 PM
I can guarantee you this, you know way more about it than I ever will.  You sound experienced in the subject.  Any info I gave on a teaching job was 2nd or 3rd hand. 

From my standpoint my buddy is kind of like a pinball bouncing off one obstacle to the next.  There were/are a lot of issues with his getting a teaching job, and it seems his perseverance is paying off for him.  I fear that there are more hidden traps for him. 

I emailed this link to him, will see what he makes of it. 
 
BTW, in case you suspect I am talking about myself.  Not close, I will endorse what Antonio said about:  "Easier still,give the job up and stay on a retirement visa"   I am one of those lucky people that is enjoying life here and not really looking to find work.  If my bud contacts you, please do not hold knowing me against him. 
 

Why would I?

I will be happy to help.
Title: Re: converting tourist triple entry visa to type o visa
Post by: Antonio on August 02, 2013, 06:06:46 PM
He is/was a complete novice to the process.  He tried to get with several people around Buriram to get a job, but could not make a connection, so he got one in Surin.  He was not able to get with a local expert to guide him through all the hoops, traps, incidentals, etc. but he has fumbled along trying his best to get through all the processes.

He responded to several posters on this site, but they either disappeared, never responded, or were too far (Korat).

And I am sure he will agree with you, and plans to do so next year.  But he feels loyalty to the people that got him a job, got him certified, he will continue on it through the end of the contract.  Too bad he was not able to find local help. 

Who would you recommend he contact in Buriram about a quality job teaching for next year? 

If he has only been in a job for a year he is not certified. If he is certified he would have got a 12 month contract.

Someone to contact about teaching jobs? ??? Schools

This was typical of the guidance he got here in Buriram.  Yes he tried to talk to schools, the usual response was "Come back in May."  This was March.  Other helpful suggestions were to go the teaching seminars in Bangkok and let them set you up.
 
And how many Thai's in schools would give a Farang guidance on what would be the best Visa (extension) for him, and how to overcome the 2 month gap?  No one here offered.  He did get a number of a local Farang teacher,  but was basically told wait until May.
 
Luckily he found a Farang in Surin that procured teachers for a Surin school.  He helped my friend put together the packages to get certified, showed him the teaching cirriculum, helped him with visa issues, and gave him the benefit of his experience.  So next May he should be able to go to a local Buriram School, already certified (out of Bangkok) plus having Thailand teaching experience.
blah2 Boring.