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Buriram Province - General Category => Thailand News clippings => Topic started by: Prakhonchai Nick on March 06, 2013, 09:11:55 AM
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Thailand is becoming more evil and corrupt as each day passes
Only this morning on the Thai news we see video of a teacher viciously beating a schoolboy, and subsequently hearing that no action is to be taken! Monks asking for money for their own purposes! And every day we see pictures of young thugs having murdered someone kneeling and wai-ing the victims parents asking for forgiveness and offering flowers.......Off with their heads!!!
Thailand needs a firm rule of law. All these wishy washy fines iof 100/200bt are senseless. Life imprisonment should mean just that! Where is the death sentence for murder?
Monks, the Police, Politicians teachers -all people that we are taught to respect let their calling and the country down badly.. Who can the people trust these days?
Mind you the UK is not much better!
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I read the BKK post every day. I am really shocked to see how much drugs the police do catch. Which of course means 10 times that amount gets through. But they are making HUGE busts with multi million baht hauls. And I read about schools shooting at eachother?? WTF. Kill another student, here is a few baht for mom, "sorry", and no charges pressed? Since when is it up to the family? I do seem to tink that things are getting worse. According to the paper it seems Chun Buri is a real armpit, lots of crime there. Police need decent salary, firm rules to enforce, and backing from the administration. I hope Thailand can take a turn for the better and clean things up. I love Thailand, the rich culture, and the good people, but when retired I need some place safer than what I am reading in the post.
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http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/338978/govt-draws-the-line-on-shark-manta-ray-listing
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Thailand is becoming more evil and corrupt as each day passes
Only this morning on the Thai news we see video of a teacher viciously beating a schoolboy, and subsequently hearing that no action is to be taken! Monks asking for money for their own purposes! And every day we see pictures of young thugs having murdered someone kneeling and wai-ing the victims parents asking for forgiveness and offering flowers.......Off with their heads!!!
Thailand needs a firm rule of law. All these wishy washy fines of 100/200bt are senseless. Life imprisonment should mean just that! Where is the death sentence for murder?
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I've highlighted the real problem in Thailand.
Rules and laws are for other people – do what you want; there will be little or no consequence.
To quote the Bangkok Post 5th March “The teacher when questioned by the school director Prateep Sriraksa said she had to punish some of her students because they refused to do their homework, even though she had warned them and deducted points time and again.”
I respectfully suggest that this teacher was attempting instil discipline in her students and that particular student and his classmates will do as they are told in future.
Unless of course the hand wringing liberals win again, and the teacher is forced to apologise.
In that case, the class and the public in general, will have further confirmation that Rules and laws are for other people – do what you want; there will be little or no consequence.
You can't have it both ways Nick....
I APOLOGISE TO ALBERT FOR SUBMITTING MY OPINION BEFORE GETTING HIS APPROVAL
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Punish school gangs harshly
Published: 6 Mar 2013 at 00.00Newspaper section: News
The senseless and destructive gang battles of Bangkok have been one of the city's worst afflictions for many decades. Feuds and rivalries among vocational schools have resulted in many pointless deaths, and needlessly ruined thousands of lives of violent young men, their rivals and families. Far too often, the violence involves innocent bystanders. Far too often, authorities have promised tough action against violent youths, only to back away at the last moment.
As with most crimes, showing compassion to criminals and ignoring the root causes of the student violence have made matters worse. While the government must be pushed to deliver long-term solutions by improving the quality of vocational education and providing the students with job security, the student gangsters also must be punished for their crimes.
Last week, a student gang once again attacked a young man. Once again, the attackers were doubly wrong, assaulting a youth who had no connection to the gangs or the schools involved.
The barbaric violation of the 16-year-old victim was unprecedented in its savagery. The gang members were not content with beating up someone they wrongly thought was a student from a rival vocational college. The 12 young thugs of the Bangkok Institute of Technology (BIT) mutilated the boy, harming him physically and mentally for life.
Citizens deserve to know what they did to the teenager in the name of "school rivalry". They attacked him with knives and cutters _ not to kill but to wound, harm and inflict pain and torture. The knives slashed the victim's body and cut the tendons deep within his left shoulder, disabling that arm. Then they held down his hands and cut off six fingers.
Police arrested three of the assailants shortly after the attack. Detectives said there were attempts to shield or perhaps abet the escape of the nine other suspects. The savagery of this attack seems to illustrate that three severe, immediate changes should come immediately.
First, the full weight of the law must be applied. Where possible, prosecutors should try the suspects under adult laws, and the legal case should receive maximum attention from police and the courts. A successful prosecution, resulting in heavy sentences, can send a message to other schools and gangs that there will be no more leniency. The same treatment must apply to school officials and any parents found to be helping the fugitive suspects.
This recent attack on an innocent victim was just the latest in a long series of senseless attacks committed by student gangsters at this vocational school. Its administrators have apparently failed their duties. If ever a case cried out for a school to be shut permanently, this is it.
However, no court or punishment can bring actual justice to this tragedy _ particularly to this young victim. Surgeons have tried to re-attach four of his six severed fingers.
At the very best, the teenager will undergo many painful operations to regain partial use of a body that just a week ago was perfectly healthy.
Late last week, the Rights and Liberties Protection Department awarded 103,000 baht to the disabled teenager under its victims compensation programme.
The life expectancy for a Thai male is 71 years. That makes his payoff a pathetic 1,873 baht a year for the rest of his life. Real justice would require the gang members to work to make up for the lost opportunities of their victim.
COPY AND PASTE BANGKOK POST runningdog
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I APOLOGISE TO ALBERT FOR SUBMITTING MY OPINION BEFORE GETTING HIS APPROVAL
Apologies excepted.
I actually agree with you nothing wrong with a good canning,worked wonders for me when i was at school,received the cane most days,never done me no harm. buttslap
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Sounds like my Catholic school education in New Jersey. Three years before and three years after my graduation, my high school graduated the highest percentage of students in the Delaware Valley accepted to major universities on the east cost, including 3 Ivy League Universities and Notre Dame (I know, it's Indiana.). Our teachers attended seminars on education every Saturday at U. Penn, Temple, Princeton, Villanova, and La Salle (Philadelphia). They worked us hard but they demanded no more of us than they did of themselves. If I were not a born-again Atheist, I would probably be thanking god for them and their not so gentile reminders that my dog did not have a taste for my Latin II homework.
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I APOLOGISE TO ALBERT FOR SUBMITTING MY OPINION BEFORE GETTING HIS APPROVAL
Apologies excepted.
I actually agree with you nothing wrong with a good canning,worked wonders for me when i was at school,received the cane most days,never done me no harm. buttslap
Probably debatable smilenod ........................... but I agree with the principle.
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Thailand is becoming more evil and corrupt as each day passes
Only this morning on the Thai news we see video of a teacher viciously beating a schoolboy, and subsequently hearing that no action is to be taken! Monks asking for money for their own purposes! And every day we see pictures of young thugs having murdered someone kneeling and wai-ing the victims parents asking for forgiveness and offering flowers.......Off with their heads!!!
Thailand needs a firm rule of law. All these wishy washy fines of 100/200bt are senseless. Life imprisonment should mean just that! Where is the death sentence for murder?
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I've highlighted the real problem in Thailand.
Rules and laws are for other people – do what you want; there will be little or no consequence.
To quote the Bangkok Post 5th March “The teacher when questioned by the school director Prateep Sriraksa said she had to punish some of her students because they refused to do their homework, even though she had warned them and deducted points time and again.”
I respectfully suggest that this teacher was attempting instil discipline in her students and that particular student and his classmates will do as they are told in future.
Unless of course the hand wringing liberals win again, and the teacher is forced to apologise.
In that case, the class and the public in general, will have further confirmation that Rules and laws are for other people – do what you want; there will be little or no consequence.
You can't have it both ways Nick....
I APOLOGISE TO ALBERT FOR SUBMITTING MY OPINION BEFORE GETTING HIS APPROVAL
I agree with Dimple Joe (subject to Albert's approval). The sad thing was that the teacher was also quoted as saying she wouldn't apply that sort of punishment again.
There has to be an element of fear about rules - whether that fear be financial or physical. As a boy I recall fearing a clip round the ear from a school teacher, my dad, a local shopkeeper or the beat bobby. On the (few) occasions I received such a clip it was invariably justified. The same justification applies to EVERY time I have paid over 200 Baht to the BiB.
Use of the cane should be part of a set of disciplinary rules, as should a scale of appropriate fines for, say, motoring offences.
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Thailand is becoming more evil and corrupt as each day passes
Only this morning on the Thai news we see video of a teacher viciously beating a schoolboy, and subsequently hearing that no action is to be taken! Monks asking for money for their own purposes! And every day we see pictures of young thugs having murdered someone kneeling and wai-ing the victims parents asking for forgiveness and offering flowers.......Off with their heads!!!
Thailand needs a firm rule of law. All these wishy washy fines of 100/200bt are senseless. Life imprisonment should mean just that! Where is the death sentence for murder?
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I've highlighted the real problem in Thailand.
Rules and laws are for other people – do what you want; there will be little or no consequence.
To quote the Bangkok Post 5th March “The teacher when questioned by the school director Prateep Sriraksa said she had to punish some of her students because they refused to do their homework, even though she had warned them and deducted points time and again.”
I respectfully suggest that this teacher was attempting instil discipline in her students and that particular student and his classmates will do as they are told in future.
Unless of course the hand wringing liberals win again, and the teacher is forced to apologise.
In that case, the class and the public in general, will have further confirmation that Rules and laws are for other people – do what you want; there will be little or no consequence.
You can't have it both ways Nick....
I APOLOGISE TO ALBERT FOR SUBMITTING MY OPINION BEFORE GETTING HIS APPROVAL
I agree with Dimple Joe (subject to Albert's approval). The sad thing was that the teacher was also quoted as saying she wouldn't apply that sort of punishment again.
There has to be an element of fear about rules - whether that fear be financial or physical. As a boy I recall fearing a clip round the ear from a school teacher, my dad, a local shopkeeper or the beat bobby. On the (few) occasions I received such a clip it was invariably justified. The same justification applies to EVERY time I have paid over 200 Baht to the BiB.
Use of the cane should be part of a set of disciplinary rules, as should a scale of appropriate fines for, say, motoring offences.
Approval granted proceed.
QUOTE=As a boy I recall fearing a clip round the ear from a school teacher, my dad, a local shopkeeper or the beat bobby.
You feared your school teacher why ?
I remember watching my headmaster scream at me after canning me,and i just laughed in his face,i think he feared me more than i feared him. thumbup
As for the bobby coppers it will always be them and us.
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Use of the cane may well be acceptable, but this evil teachers vicious use was totally unacceptable.
Why didn't the other students assist and drag the b...h off. It would be nice to think that if she continues teaching, every time she enters a class all the kids depart! But that won't happen in Thailand. Everyone is too soft, too weak Greng Jai etc etc
If caning at schools is to continue in Thailand, it should be administered by an independent 3rd party, and be based on a report of the offence by the teacher, with the child able to provide his defence.
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Nick, to coin a phrase “You're doing an Albert”.
You seem to be the one lone voice complaining about the Teacher's action.
Not only that; but after initially advocating a “firm rule of law” and “Off with their heads” etc., you now suggest that the class should have physically attacked their teacher.
I am truly amazed and wonder what you are on – must be pretty strong stuff.
I refer you to reply #3 above - You can't have it both ways.
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Nick, to coin a phrase “You're doing an Albert”.
You seem to be the one lone voice complaining about the Teacher's action.
Not only that; but after initially advocating a “firm rule of law” and “Off with their heads” etc., you now suggest that the class should have physically attacked their teacher.
I am truly amazed and wonder what you are on – must be pretty strong stuff.
I refer you to reply #3 above - You can't have it both ways.
To coin a phrase“You're doing an Albert".
Lunch
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Nick, to coin a phrase “You're doing an Albert”.
You seem to be the one lone voice complaining about the Teacher's action.
Not only that; but after initially advocating a “firm rule of law” and “Off with their heads” etc., you now suggest that the class should have physically attacked their teacher.
I am truly amazed and wonder what you are on – must be pretty strong stuff.
I refer you to reply #3 above - You can't have it both ways.
One lone voice is better than none DJ. Perhaps I am the only one with a vested interest (Kids at school). There are enough bad people around everywhere. They are not needed when they have the responsibility of caring for children!
Anyway -you are misquoting me. I did not advocate the class physically attack the teacher. I asked why the other kids did not come to the boys rescue, when it was clear the teacher was going over the top. "Why didn't the other students assist and drag the b...h off" No suggestion of physical assault! They could have surrounded her, removed the cane and sought assistance form other teachers and the headmaster.
And lets not forget that by her own admission she caned 6 children that day! That the children needed punishing is very likely, but over exuberance with a cane was probably the wrong punishment.
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I think D J was highlighting your hardline approach to motoring offenders and other offences versus an apparent opposition to corporal punishment.
I actually believe you were against the actions of this specific teacher.
Clearly, not doing homework is not as punishable as riding a motorcy. on the pavement!
I would fine students for not doing homework then parents may take more responsibility for ensuring the work is completed.
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I intended to add..
.. I like the idea of a third party administering the cane where students have transgressed a set of laid down rules. this takes away any 'personal grudge' element and should (at least in theory) lead to a more consistent application of the punishment.
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Absolutely CoCo. I was totally against the actions of this specific teacher, which to my mind were way out of line.
As for fining students- in many cases in Thailand you cannot get blood from a stone! Many kids don't even have money for shoes!
Detention, not allowing them to engage in school sports, after school activities and similar punishments are more desirable
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Absolutely CoCo. I was totally against the actions of this specific teacher, which to my mind were way out of line.
As for fining students- in many cases in Thailand you cannot get blood from a stone! Many kids don't even have money for shoes!
Detention, not allowing them to engage in school sports, after school activities and similar punishments are more desirable
Kids don't do detention Nick,i never went to one single detention at school and nor will these kids,because like me they just don't care,not saying it's right but it's true.
You can cane them,give them detention,take them to court and fine them,or even lock them up,but you cannot take away what they have inside.
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Absolutely CoCo. I was totally against the actions of this specific teacher, which to my mind were way out of line.
As for fining students- in many cases in Thailand you cannot get blood from a stone! Many kids don't even have money for shoes!
Detention, not allowing them to engage in school sports, after school activities and similar punishments are more desirable
Kids don't do detention Nick,i never went to one single detention at school and nor will these kids,because like me they just don't care,not saying it's right but it's true.
You can cane them,give them detention,take them to court and fine them,or even lock them up,but you cannot take away what they have inside.
I can understand that, but 'not caring' (i.e. don't give a fcuk) makes it very difficult to come up with appropriate punishment - where punishment is required.
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Absolutely CoCo. I was totally against the actions of this specific teacher, which to my mind were way out of line.
As for fining students- in many cases in Thailand you cannot get blood from a stone! Many kids don't even have money for shoes!
Detention, not allowing them to engage in school sports, after school activities and similar punishments are more desirable
Kids don't do detention Nick,i never went to one single detention at school and nor will these kids,because like me they just don't care,not saying it's right but it's true.
You can cane them,give them detention,take them to court and fine them,or even lock them up,but you cannot take away what they have inside.
I can understand that, but 'not caring' (i.e. don't give a fcuk) makes it very difficult to come up with appropriate punishment - where punishment is required.
Yes Co-Co that's the problem how do you punish someone that doesn't give a f..k about himself or anyone else or anything else.
In reality the pain you receive from punishment only makes you stronger and makes you full of hate.
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I intended to add..
.. I like the idea of a third party administering the cane where students have transgressed a set of laid down rules. this takes away any 'personal grudge' element and should (at least in theory) lead to a more consistent application of the punishment.
I agree Co-Co. When I was at Primary School in Sydney (electricity had just been invented) the teacher HAD to send the kids to the Headmasters office for punishment. He then got the bamboo cane out. He was responsibile for me having 6 fingers on my left hand ... I had so many callouses on my hand from the "cuts" that they eventually developed into a 6th finger. He always asked "what hand do you write with ?" then walloped the other hand.
Mr Fizzell ... "smelly Fizzelly" we called him. How on earth do I still remember his name ????
So yes ... I think it's a good idea that an authority figure can give severe punishment if warranted. Maybe leave minor punishments to the individual teachers. All kids need to have some "fear" of punishment from adults.
Of course, all the "caning" of schoolkids ceased probably late 60's. Teachers would be crucified if they tried it now in Oz.
They would be sued by the parents for a starter.
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Quote from above=All kids need to have some "fear" of punishment from adults.
UNBELIEVABLE.
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Your response Albert is unbelievable.
From the time kids are born they are being told what they can and cannot do, They are scolded when they do something wrong. They know if they do it again they will be punished. That is FEAR and is quite correct. The aim is to instil it sufficiently in them that it becomes the norm NOT to do it again.
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Quote from above=All kids need to have some "fear" of punishment from adults.
UNBELIEVABLE.
Why UNBELIEVABLE ??
I suggest that every kid on the planet knows that if he/she does something wrong, Mum or Dad will most likely punish them in some way. It's how kids grow up and then become law abiding adult citizens.
If they grow up not "fearing" punishment from anyone ... then they become arrogant little toe rags as adults.
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Your response Albert is unbelievable.
From the time kids are born they are being told what they can and cannot do, They are scolded when they do something wrong. They know if they do it again they will be punished. That is FEAR and is quite correct. The aim is to instil it sufficiently in them that it becomes the norm NOT to do it again.
Do you think that a child who as been hit with a cane by his teacher or a belt from his father will simply do as he is told?
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Quote from above=All kids need to have some "fear" of punishment from adults.
UNBELIEVABLE.
Why UNBELIEVABLE ??
I suggest that every kid on the planet knows that if he/she does something wrong, Mum or Dad will most likely punish them in some way. It's how kids grow up and then become law abiding adult citizens.
If they grow up not "fearing" punishment from anyone ... then they become arrogant little toe rags as adults.
REALLY.
That's the whole point they don't fear anything or anyone
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Your response Albert is unbelievable.
From the time kids are born they are being told what they can and cannot do, They are scolded when they do something wrong. They know if they do it again they will be punished. That is FEAR and is quite correct. The aim is to instil it sufficiently in them that it becomes the norm NOT to do it again.
Do you think that a child who as been hit with a cane by his teacher or a belt from his father will simply do as he is told?
The majority YES. But they need to have it fully explained to them why they are receiving punishment, the harm their actions have done, and the future consequences if they step out of line again.
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Are you or have you ever been a parent Albert? If so have you never reprimanded your kids. If not and you have had children, are they good upright citizens, or do they always brush with the law?
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Your response Albert is unbelievable.
From the time kids are born they are being told what they can and cannot do, They are scolded when they do something wrong. They know if they do it again they will be punished. That is FEAR and is quite correct. The aim is to instil it sufficiently in them that it becomes the norm NOT to do it again.
Do you think that a child who as been hit with a cane by his teacher or a belt from his father will simply do as he is told?
Albert, I think you are on your own on this one.
The evidence confirms that in most normal cases e.g. the cane (or fear of it) will cause students not to repeat their offences.
If that fear does not exist then re-offended will be a likely result. There are many re-offenders in borstals and prisons but there are even more people (who having taken their punishment) who 'learn their lesson'.
This is what discipline is about whether it be the cane in school, a 200 Baht fine for not wearing a helmet or castration for kiddy-fiddling. It is all designed to change behaviour - this is why there must be a rising scale of punishment to try and combat those who don't give a fcuk flying x. Internet forum rules are a 'code of conduct' and people who regularly breach them will get regularly banned.
Definition of discipline
1 [mass noun] the practice of training people to obey rules or a code of behaviour, using punishment to correct disobedience:
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Are you or have you ever been a parent Albert? If so have you never reprimanded your kids. If not and you have had children, are they good upright citizens, or do they always brush with the law?
Yes i have 2 children back in the UK,1 of 29 and 1 of 25 years old,i was not at home a lot when i was younger due to work,so my wife would take care of that sort of thing,because i didn't want to be the heavy handed father,but i never agreed with the slapping.
My son has had a couple of dealing with the police but nothing major,just teenage stuff.
Me and my son are very close and always have been.
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Are you or have you ever been a parent Albert? If so have you never reprimanded your kids. If not and you have had children, are they good upright citizens, or do they always brush with the law?
Yes i have 2 children back in the UK,1 of 29 and 1 of 25 years old,i was not at home a lot when i was younger due to work,so my wife would take care of that sort of thing,because i didn't want to be the heavy handed father,but i never agreed with the slapping.
My son has had a couple of dealing with the police but nothing major,just teenage stuff.
Me and my son are very close and always have been.
Then I imagine your wife -in your absence - instilled sufficient discipline into them that they became satisfactory citizens, and did not engage in a life of crime.
I wonder whether your respected friend Bruce Reynolds received sufficient education and discipline as a child from both parents and school. It seemingly took him many years of being a criminal before he became a better citizen!
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I posted something here but the post didn't register. What I said has been covered a little but I will re post.
The major problem is whether the parents care.
If the parents don't care then there is not much that can be done.
If the parents care for their children too much, IE. "My son/daughter is an angel. They never do anything wrong at home. It must be the other kids' or the teachers' fault", which the major problem here in Thailand, then there is nothing that can be done.
I have also witnessed a situation where the parents did care but their response was, and this is really unbelievable " we cannot punish our son because we are scared of him". WTF.
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This post is in reply to Alberts "REALLY"
Yes ... REALLY
There will always be kids that grow up to become Rambo, or The Incredibles, and fear neither man nor beast, but not many.
How many expats reading this post can HONESTLY say that they did not fear punishment as a kid growing up ?
It's one of the ways that kids learn right from wrong. The fear of being punished.
Kids are quick learners ... most will learn valuable life skills from being punished for doing the wrong thing. Some might get a bit of a tongue lashing from Mum, or some might get marched off to the Headmasters office, or you might get a clip under the ear from Dad. But it's still punishment and kids need to have a respect and fear of that.
Even as adults, we still fear punishment. It's why we stop at red lights, why we wear seatbelts, why we don't fudge too much on tax returns, why we don't shoplift etc etc
It's the FEAR of being punished if caught doing the wrong thing. It's healthy, it's normal, it's an orderly society.
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Are you or have you ever been a parent Albert? If so have you never reprimanded your kids. If not and you have had children, are they good upright citizens, or do they always brush with the law?
Yes i have 2 children back in the UK,1 of 29 and 1 of 25 years old,i was not at home a lot when i was younger due to work,so my wife would take care of that sort of thing,because i didn't want to be the heavy handed father,but i never agreed with the slapping.
My son has had a couple of dealing with the police but nothing major,just teenage stuff.
Me and my son are very close and always have been.
Then I imagine your wife -in your absence - instilled sufficient discipline into them that they became satisfactory citizens, and did not engage in a life of crime.
I wonder whether your respected friend Bruce Reynolds received sufficient education and discipline as a child from both parents and school. It seemingly took him many years of being a criminal before he became a better citizen!
I know the background of where Bruce was raised not a very nice place,similar to where i come from.
The parents and school would have been very strict with him,but that's the whole point,punish your child when it does wrong but don't punish the child to the point of destroying it.
Punish you child to make them realize the difference between right and wrong,but if your punishment is in excess it can have the reverse affect.
Pain can be dealt with it all depends on how you deal with it.
Just saying not looking for argument.
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Are you or have you ever been a parent Albert? If so have you never reprimanded your kids. If not and you have had children, are they good upright citizens, or do they always brush with the law?
Yes i have 2 children back in the UK,1 of 29 and 1 of 25 years old,i was not at home a lot when i was younger due to work,so my wife would take care of that sort of thing,because i didn't want to be the heavy handed father,but i never agreed with the slapping.
My son has had a couple of dealing with the police but nothing major,just teenage stuff.
Me and my son are very close and always have been.
Then I imagine your wife -in your absence - instilled sufficient discipline into them that they became satisfactory citizens, and did not engage in a life of crime.
I wonder whether your respected friend Bruce Reynolds received sufficient education and discipline as a child from both parents and school. It seemingly took him many years of being a criminal before he became a better citizen!
I know the background of where Bruce was raised not a very nice place,similar to where i come from.
The parents and school would have been very strict with him,but that's the whole point,punish your child when it does wrong but don't punish the child to the point of destroying it.
Punish you child to make them realize the difference between right and wrong,but if your punishment is in excess it can have the reverse affect.
Pain can be dealt with it all depends on how you deal with it.
Just saying not looking for argument.
I think that is pretty much a summary of what most people are thinking.
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This post is in reply to Alberts "REALLY"
Yes ... REALLY
There will always be kids that grow up to become Rambo, or The Incredibles, and fear neither man nor beast, but not many.
How many expats reading this post can HONESTLY say that they did not fear punishment as a kid growing up ?
It's one of the ways that kids learn right from wrong. The fear of being punished.
Kids are quick learners ... most will learn valuable life skills from being punished for doing the wrong thing. Some might get a bit of a tongue lashing from Mum, or some might get marched off to the Headmasters office, or you might get a clip under the ear from Dad. But it's still punishment and kids need to have a respect and fear of that.
Even as adults, we still fear punishment. It's why we stop at red lights, why we wear seatbelts, why we don't fudge too much on tax returns, why we don't shoplift etc etc
It's the FEAR of being punished if caught doing the wrong thing. It's healthy, it's normal, it's an orderly society.
There was nothing normal or healthy or orderly about the beatings i took as a kid,at home or in school.
But the more they beat me the stronger i got,in the end the pain become a part of life,and all i wanted to do was inflict pain back,on anyone who stood in my way.
Not saying your wrong i just think their has to be another way,and i am not trying to cause an argument before anyone suggests that i am.
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fighting1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-EQ6eHeBrhM#t=56s
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Someone HAD to do this:
Not saying your wrong i just think their has to be another way,and i am not trying to cause an argument before anyone suggests that i am.
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Examples of THERE
1. Put the package there on the table.
2. Go to your room and stay there.
3. Turn there at the church.
4. She was sitting there a minute ago.
5. They have lived there for 30 years.
6. When will you be there?
7. I used to live near there.
8. What do you see out there?
9. If we leave now, we should get there by noon.
10. I drove the kids there.
Definition of THEIR
1: of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen>
2: his or her : HIS, HER, ITS —used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <anyone in their senses — W. H. Auden>
Examples of THEIR
1. All the furniture in their house is brand-new.
2. They are on friendly terms with their neighbors.
3. The students are seeking to exercise their rights.
4. The birds have left their nest.
5. The trees have all shed their leaves.
6. Their artwork is on display at the museum.
7. He was angry because of their arriving late.
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fighting1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-EQ6eHeBrhM#t=56s
Just saying the way it is,but there will always be a smart ass.
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Someone HAD to do this:
Not saying your wrong i just think their has to be another way,and i am not trying to cause an argument before anyone suggests that i am.
Definition of YOUR
1: of or relating to you or yourself or yourselves especially as possessor or possessors <your bodies>, agent or agents <your contributions>, or object or objects of an action <your discharge>
2: of or relating to one or oneself <when you face the north, east is at your right>
3—used with little or no meaning almost as an equivalent to the definite article the <your typical teenager>
Examples of YOUR
1. Please wash your hands before dinner.
2. What is your new house like?
3. You forgot your wallet at the restaurant.
4. Don't worry about me—you've got your own problems.
5. Did you finish your homework?
6. With your permission, we can take a blood test.
Definition of YOU'RE
: you are
Definition of THERE
1: in or at that place <stand over there> —often used interjectionally
2: to or into that place : THITHER <went there after church>
3: at that point or stage <stop right there before you say something you'll regret>
4: in that matter, respect, or relation <there is where I disagree with you>
5—used interjectionally to express satisfaction, approval, encouragement or sympathy, or defiance <there, it's finished>
Examples of THERE
1. Put the package there on the table.
2. Go to your room and stay there.
3. Turn there at the church.
4. She was sitting there a minute ago.
5. They have lived there for 30 years.
6. When will you be there?
7. I used to live near there.
8. What do you see out there?
9. If we leave now, we should get there by noon.
10. I drove the kids there.
Definition of THEIR
1: of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen>
2: his or her : HIS, HER, ITS —used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <anyone in their senses — W. H. Auden>
Examples of THEIR
1. All the furniture in their house is brand-new.
2. They are on friendly terms with their neighbors.
3. The students are seeking to exercise their rights.
4. The birds have left their nest.
5. The trees have all shed their leaves.
6. Their artwork is on display at the museum.
7. He was angry because of their arriving late.
Do you understand the Definition of f..k off.
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Someone HAD to do this:
Not saying your wrong i just think their has to be another way,and i am not trying to cause an argument before anyone suggests that i am.
Definition of YOUR
1: of or relating to you or yourself or yourselves especially as possessor or possessors <your bodies>, agent or agents <your contributions>, or object or objects of an action <your discharge>
2: of or relating to one or oneself <when you face the north, east is at your right>
3—used with little or no meaning almost as an equivalent to the definite article the <your typical teenager>
Examples of YOUR
1. Please wash your hands before dinner.
2. What is your new house like?
3. You forgot your wallet at the restaurant.
4. Don't worry about me—you've got your own problems.
5. Did you finish your homework?
6. With your permission, we can take a blood test.
Definition of YOU'RE
: you are
Definition of THERE
1: in or at that place <stand over there> —often used interjectionally
2: to or into that place : THITHER <went there after church>
3: at that point or stage <stop right there before you say something you'll regret>
4: in that matter, respect, or relation <there is where I disagree with you>
5—used interjectionally to express satisfaction, approval, encouragement or sympathy, or defiance <there, it's finished>
Examples of THERE
1. Put the package there on the table.
2. Go to your room and stay there.
3. Turn there at the church.
4. She was sitting there a minute ago.
5. They have lived there for 30 years.
6. When will you be there?
7. I used to live near there.
8. What do you see out there?
9. If we leave now, we should get there by noon.
10. I drove the kids there.
Definition of THEIR
1: of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action <their furniture> <their verses> <their being seen>
2: his or her : HIS, HER, ITS —used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <anyone in their senses — W. H. Auden>
Examples of THEIR
1. All the furniture in their house is brand-new.
2. They are on friendly terms with their neighbors.
3. The students are seeking to exercise their rights.
4. The birds have left their nest.
5. The trees have all shed their leaves.
6. Their artwork is on display at the museum.
7. He was angry because of their arriving late.
Thanks very much to the Grammar and Spelling police, namely PC Cut and Sgt Paste.
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There is I difference between beating and disciplining a child, I was on the receiving end of a few whacks with wooden spoons and the like, in the main I deserved it and it put me back in to line. Beating a child is just abuse and is wrong.....
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Do you understand the Definition of f..k off.
Well said that man !! bravo1
We don't need the spelling police here thank you; try Thai Visa. oldmanwithstick
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Are you or have you ever been a parent Albert? If so have you never reprimanded your kids. If not and you have had children, are they good upright citizens, or do they always brush with the law?
Yes i have 2 children back in the UK,1 of 29 and 1 of 25 years old,i was not at home a lot when i was younger due to work,so my wife would take care of that sort of thing,because i didn't want to be the heavy handed father,but i never agreed with the slapping.
My son has had a couple of dealing with the police but nothing major,just teenage stuff.
Me and my son are very close and always have been.
Then I imagine your wife -in your absence - instilled sufficient discipline into them that they became satisfactory citizens, and did not engage in a life of crime.
I wonder whether your respected friend Bruce Reynolds received sufficient education and discipline as a child from both parents and school. It seemingly took him many years of being a criminal before he became a better citizen!
I know the background of where Bruce was raised not a very nice place,similar to where i come from.
The parents and school would have been very strict with him,but that's the whole point,punish your child when it does wrong but don't punish the child to the point of destroying it.
Punish you child to make them realize the difference between right and wrong,but if your punishment is in excess it can have the reverse affect.
Pain can be dealt with it all depends on how you deal with it.
Just saying not looking for argument.
I think you are actually making quite a good argument for the other side of corporal punishment.
Remarkably, it seems that virtually all posters are saying - discipline is a good thing if it is appropriate and administered correctly. The main intention being to make the subject (child) understand what he had done wrong and what the consequences of that action were - for him and others.
I wholeheartedly agree that constant or excessive punishment is wrong to the point of it being (as Speros said) abuse.
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Do you understand the Definition of f..k off.
Well said that man !! bravo1
We don't need the spelling police here thank you; try Thai Visa. oldmanwithstick
As I have often said, there is nothing wrong with my spelling but my typing is shit at times.....................
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My point being: If you were punished appropriately when you were a child, then maybe you would think twice before using foul language, show respect to those in your community and even know a thing or two about grammar without thinking about it too much..
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One lone voice is better than none DJ. Perhaps I am the only one with a vested interest (Kids at school). There are enough bad people around everywhere. They are not needed when they have the responsibility of caring for children!
Anyway -you are misquoting me. I did not advocate the class physically attack the teacher. I asked why the other kids did not come to the boys rescue, when it was clear the teacher was going over the top. "Why didn't the other students assist and drag the b...h off" No suggestion of physical assault! They could have surrounded her, removed the cane and sought assistance form other teachers and the headmaster.
And lets not forget that by her own admission she caned 6 children that day! That the children needed punishing is very likely, but over exuberance with a cane was probably the wrong punishment.
Nick, I doubt very much that you are the only one with kids in school but you are still the lone voice of objection - do you really think you are right and the rest of us are wrong?
That's a rhetorical question by the way - no need to answer - if you cannot see that "Why didn't the other students assist and drag the b...h off" is physical assault, there is no point in continuing the discussion with you.
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My point being: If you were punished appropriately when you were a child, then maybe you would think twice before using foul language, show respect to those in your community and even know a thing or two about grammar without thinking about it too much..
Maybe some people should think twice before they try and belittle other people.
If my spelling or grammar is not up to scratch i humbly apologize and will try harder in the future.
P.S I show respect to those i think deserve it.
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If my spelling or grammar is not up to scratch i humbly apologize and will try harder in the future.
Then my job here is done.
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One lone voice is better than none DJ. Perhaps I am the only one with a vested interest (Kids at school). There are enough bad people around everywhere. They are not needed when they have the responsibility of caring for children!
Anyway -you are misquoting me. I did not advocate the class physically attack the teacher. I asked why the other kids did not come to the boys rescue, when it was clear the teacher was going over the top. "Why didn't the other students assist and drag the b...h off" No suggestion of physical assault! They could have surrounded her, removed the cane and sought assistance form other teachers and the headmaster.
And lets not forget that by her own admission she caned 6 children that day! That the children needed punishing is very likely, but over exuberance with a cane was probably the wrong punishment.
Nick, I doubt very much that you are the only one with kids in school but you are still the lone voice of objection - do you really think you are right and the rest of us are wrong?
That's a rhetorical question by the way - no need to answer - if you cannot see that "Why didn't the other students assist and drag the b...h off" is physical assault, there is no point in continuing the discussion with you.
I don't expect you to comment further DJ, but I disagree that preventing further abuse from the teacher by trying to remove the cane, and surrounding the abused child for his protection against a seemingly crazed teacher is in fact physical assault.It is NOT in my book!
Further I am most certainly NOT the lone voice of objection! I am voicing my concerns at this womans behaviour (not corporal punishment per se) which I like others on this forum believed to be excessive. The boy was abused by this woman, and others have said as much!
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Nick, I doubt very much that you are the only one with kids in school but you are still the lone voice of objection - do you really think you are right and the rest of us are wrong?
Your rhetorical question does indeed require an answer.
With I think 7 members having posted on this thread -some not expressing any opinion about the viciousness of the attack, and with3 considering it excessive, it does suggest a difference of opinion.
However even if I were a lone voice as you suggest it does not necessarily mean I am wrong and that you and everyone else is right -or vice versa. These are just peoples opinions! We are all entitled to them!
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Opinions are like arse-holes - we all have one................
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Thank you Co-Co
Some people think we can only have an opinion if it is the same as theirs and what they believe to be everyone elses.
I am pissed off posting on this forum only to be told that my opinion is incorrect because i don't toe the perceived party line.
I think I will stop posting! Might please some folk! Today is the straw that broke.............................!
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Thank you Co-Co
Some people think we can only have an opinion if it is the same as theirs and what they believe to be everyone elses.
I am pissed off posting on this forum only to be told that my opinion is incorrect because i don't toe the perceived party line.
I think I will stop posting! Might please some folk! Today is the straw that broke.............................!
Straw that broke............................. I doubt it, and I know you are not pre-menstrual ! ;D
Dimple Joe's opinion is as valid as yours, as is mine.
He thought you overreacted and only after a few more balanced posts appeared was it clear that EVERYONE shared the view that caning was not wrong but this teacher's exuberance wasn't warranted. Equally, it did not call for mass intervention by school mates or any need for her to be strung up. It was a good example of the cane being the right discipline but the 'offended' teacher being the wrong person to administer said discipline.
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I'm sorry Nick, we must have different versions of Buriram Expats.
In reply #50 you say there are 3 members who consider the “attack” excessive.
I have read the whole thing again and I am quite unable to find them.
Please direct me to those replies and I will concede the point that you are not the lone voice.
Having presumably shared with your children, your thought "Why didn't the other students assist and drag the b...h off"; do you think they understood that manhandling a teacher is ok only in these special circumstances?
Or do you think they (and probably their friends too, if they've discussed it) think it's ok whenever they don't like what the b...h is doing?
Throw your toys out of the pram if you like Nick.
Flounce all you want, stamp your foot even - but you still can't have it both ways.
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I'm sorry Nick, we must have different versions of Buriram Expats.
In reply #50 you say there are 3 members who consider the “attack” excessive.
I have read the whole thing again and I am quite unable to find them.
Please direct me to those replies and I will concede the point that you are not the lone voice.
Having presumably shared with your children, your thought "Why didn't the other students assist and drag the b...h off"; do you think they understood that manhandling a teacher is ok only in these special circumstances?
Or do you think they (and probably their friends too, if they've discussed it) think it's ok whenever they don't like what the b...h is doing?
Throw your toys out of the pram if you like Nick.
Flounce all you want, stamp your foot even - but you still can't have it both ways.
Jesus Fcuking Christ DJ ! I am expressing an opinion. My opinion! Nothing More. This is a Forum unless I am wrong again in your eyes. I have an opinion just like you and everyone else. If you don't agree with it so be it. Why the stupid accusations of throwing toys etc and all your other verbal diarrhoea! Rather childish don't you think? It is in my opinion!
I will say categorically once again for your benefit. I am not against corporal punishment in schools as long as it is carried out sensibly, within reason and without hatred and emotion which this particular teacher appeared to display.
And did you overlook Mr Speros? "Beating a child is just abuse and is wrong..."
Have it your way!
Goodbye!
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Thank you Co-Co
Some people think we can only have an opinion if it is the same as theirs and what they believe to be everyone elses.
I am pissed off posting on this forum only to be told that my opinion is incorrect because i don't toe the perceived party line.
I think I will stop posting! Might please some folk! Today is the straw that broke.............................!
Glad my opinion has always been treated with respect on this forum. :ohmy:
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Calm down Nick, you'll do yourself an injury.
I accept we all have an opinion
I merely suggested the teacher was trying to instil discipline – her earlier efforts having failed.
I then quietly pointed out the utter hypocrisy contained in your opening post objecting to the student being punished while demanding a firm rule of law and no more wishy washy punishments.
You cant have it both ways sums it up I think.
In a later post you added Why didn't the other students assist and drag the b...h off and somewhat surprised, I pointed out that you were the lone voice objecting to the teacher's action and that suggesting such action by the students, was again, totally hypocritical.
After your denial that dragging the bitch off constitutes physical assault, I decided that there was no further point in continuing the discussion and told you so.
Not content to let sleeping dogs lie, you repeated your denial and began to invent members who like you, considered the teacher's actions excessive.
There are no such members, some have said that beating children is abuse and is wrong, but NOT ONE has said the teachers action was wrong or excessive.
Childish? I quote from your post #53
“I think I will stop posting! Might please some folk! Today is the straw that broke........................!” :D
Nick you are entitled to your opinion, equally I am entitled to challenge it when it is based on hypocrisy or invented “facts”.
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Well put me in the group that says that a teacher has no right to strike my children in any way. That's my job. A teachers job is to teach them to read, write and maths. I was raised with the cane and it didn't work for me. Informing my parents as to what i had done wrong always got a change out of me. I was always scared of my father belting me, more scared of waiting for it to happen then getting it.
When a someone threatens a person its called an as assault when they touch a person its physical assault. If you want to physically assault my children then expect the favour returned.
Caning is physical assault and is banned in aus for that reason.
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Calm down Nick, you'll do yourself an injury.
I accept we all have an opinion
I merely suggested the teacher was trying to instil discipline – her earlier efforts having failed.
I then quietly pointed out the utter hypocrisy contained in your opening post objecting to the student being punished while demanding a firm rule of law and no more wishy washy punishments.
You cant have it both ways sums it up I think.
In a later post you added Why didn't the other students assist and drag the b...h off and somewhat surprised, I pointed out that you were the lone voice objecting to the teacher's action and that suggesting such action by the students, was again, totally hypocritical.
After your denial that dragging the bitch off constitutes physical assault, I decided that there was no further point in continuing the discussion and told you so.
Not content to let sleeping dogs lie, you repeated your denial and began to invent members who like you, considered the teacher's actions excessive.
There are no such members, some have said that beating children is abuse and is wrong, but NOT ONE has said the teachers action was wrong or excessive.
Childish? I quote from your post #53
“I think I will stop posting! Might please some folk! Today is the straw that broke........................!” :D
Nick you are entitled to your opinion, equally I am entitled to challenge it when it is based on hypocrisy or invented “facts”.
The caning was the first physical assault and should of been dealt with more harshly. i agree with Nick it would of been ok for the students to stop the teacher with physical force.