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Title: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 02, 2013, 11:00:56 AM
GREAT TRAIN ROBBER BRUCE REYNOLDS DIES AT 81


Bruce Reynolds, who was the key planner behind the £2.6m Great Train Robbery in 1963, has died aged 81.

Reynolds evaded capture for five years, mainly spent overseas, but after returning to England was caught in 1968. He spent 10 years in jail.

The 15 men's haul from a mail train in Cheddington, Buckinghamshire, was a record at that time.

Train driver Jack Mills was struck over the head during the robbery and never worked again. He died in 1970.

The £2.6m haul from the Glasgow-to-London overnight mail train, which the gang brought to a stop by changing a signal to red on 8 August 1963, is equivalent to £40m in today's money.

Reynolds had used inside information on mail movements to plan the raid and 15 gang members, wearing helmets and ski masks, ran on board and made off with 120 bags of money.

Reynolds' son Nick said his father had died in his sleep in the early hours of Thursday.

"He hadn't been well for a few days and I was looking after him," he said.

"I really can't talk at the moment. I can confirm that he has passed away and he died in his sleep."
Film consultant

Family friend John Schoonraad said Reynolds had had a "chest complaint".

He described Reynolds as a "lovely chap", and a changed man who no longer believed in crime.
Bruce Reynolds, handcuffed in 1968 Reynolds was captured five years after the Great Train Robbery

"He said to me 'crime doesn't pay'. He's done his time, and he turned into a very nice man. I've always known him to be a real gentleman," said Mr Schoonraad.

Michael Biggs, the son of Reynolds's fellow Great Train Robber Ronnie Biggs, paid tribute to "a very intelligent man, educated and very loyal to his friends".

"Regardless of whatever mistakes Bruce made in his life, Bruce was a very, very kind person who was a true gentlemen who made many friends in his life," he told BBC Radio 5 live.

Mr Biggs, 38, said his father "showed a lot of emotion" and "there were tears" when he learned of Reynolds' death.

"Bruce was his oldest friend, a very dear friend," he said.

Following Reynolds' release from prison in 1978, life proved a struggle and he was jailed again in the 1980s for three years for dealing amphetamines.

In the late 80s he worked briefly as a consultant on a film about the robbery, Buster, and went on to publish The Autobiography of a Thief in 1995.
Borstal

By then, he was living on income support in a south London flat supplied by a charitable trust.
Police examine the train used in the Great Train Robbery The gang members escaped with 120 bags of money

Reynolds, the son of a trade union official at the Ford plant in Dagenham, east London, left school at 14 and worked as an accounts clerk, hospital laboratory assistant and cycle fitter.

It was not long before he was in trouble with the police and he was sent to borstal twice for theft.

After his national service in the Army, he returned to a life of crime and served four jail terms, mainly for breaking into shops.

In 1963, he joined forces with Biggs, Buster Edwards, Charlie Wilson and other gang members to carry out the Great Train Robbery.

Total respect a great man that will be deeply missed.

                                                                                                                                        Copied from the BBC.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: CO-CO on March 02, 2013, 11:55:53 AM
Many would say "good riddance to this low-life, scum bag who was probably responsible for the untimely death of Jack Mills (who he outlived by 16 years) and David Whitby".


Personally, i am two minds. Whilst it is pitiful to glamorise crime (and the criminals who perpetrate armed robbery) I found myself growing up with a soft spot for the Great Train Robbers - had no one been injured I would find it easier to justify that feeling. I had the same feelings for "Fast Eddie" after the securicor robbery in Felixstowe. In that case no one was injured.


I am not sure that the words"total respect" should be attributable to this felon - but then it depends where you make the judgement from.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: toffo on March 02, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
 Just a common thief no respect in my eyes..   bananadance
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 02, 2013, 01:06:01 PM
Many would say "good riddance to this low-life, scum bag who was probably responsible for the untimely death of Jack Mills (who he outlived by 16 years) and David Whitby".


Personally, i am two minds. Whilst it is pitiful to glamorise crime (and the criminals who perpetrate armed robbery) I found myself growing up with a soft spot for the Great Train Robbers - had no one been injured I would find it easier to justify that feeling. I had the same feelings for "Fast Eddie" after the securicor robbery in Felixstowe. In that case no one was injured.


I am not sure that the words"total respect" should be attributable to this felon - but then it depends where you make the judgement from.
I don't know anyone who called him "low life scum"and there is no evidence to suggest that the blow on the drivers head came from Bruce,or that the blow was connected to his death.
The man done his TIME for the crime so in my opinion i will show him 100% respect.
I mean to say the time they received was 30 years,more than you get for murder,and why because it was the queens mail.

Everyone that knew Bruce said he was a perfect gentleman,and a very kind man.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion,but at the time of the robbery most peoples opinion was that the train robbers were HEROES.




















Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 02, 2013, 01:11:42 PM
Just a common thief no respect in my eyes..   
You seem to judge people very easily.
Do you know Bruce or his family?
A member of my family knew him very well,so i would appreciate if you cannot show any respect for the dead,you kindly keep your opinion to yourself.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 02, 2013, 02:12:27 PM
JUST TO CLEAR UP A FEW LOSE ENDS.

Driver Jack Mills died in 1970 from Leukaemia 7 years after the robbery, this was unrelated to his injuries sustained in the robbery.


Second man David Whitby died from a heart attack on 6 January 1972 at the age of 34,9 years after the robbery.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Alan on March 02, 2013, 02:36:14 PM
Nobody has the right to voice an opinion unless approved by Albert stop1
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: davu on March 02, 2013, 02:50:14 PM
He deserted from national service, did time for GBH, and was a drug dealer. He was a criminal with the intention of getting something for nothing, if you think that this guy was admirable then the rest of us that worked hard all their lives are f###ing idiots, we should all do it.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: toffo on March 02, 2013, 03:35:50 PM
Don't post it on a forum if you don't want replies then... He was a criminal and that's a fact..
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: toffo on March 02, 2013, 03:37:33 PM
What a sad world we live in when people are respecting the criminal world and normal people struggle to put food on the table...
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Nobby on March 02, 2013, 04:35:36 PM
What a sad world we live in when people are respecting the criminal world and normal people struggle to put food on the table...

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Sadly passed away.

he passed away and it may be sad for his relitives but Sorry it is not sad for the world in which he did or left anything of any good. Gone and good riddance to bad rubbish
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 02, 2013, 06:49:35 PM
Nobody has the right to voice an opinion unless approved by Albert stop1
Yes people have a right to voice an opinion,but no need to be disrespectful to the dead,people make mistakes in their life's,this man paid for his mistakes but that doesn't mean he is a bad person.
It's funny how people respect soldiers that murder people but disrespect someone who stole some money.
What a strange and twisted world we live in.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: CO-CO on March 02, 2013, 07:02:50 PM
Nobody has the right to voice an opinion unless approved by Albert stop1
Yes people have a right to voice an opinion,but no need to be disrespectful to the dead,people make mistakes in their life's,this man paid for his mistakes but that doesn't mean he is a bad person.
It's funny how people respect soldiers that murder people but disrespect someone who stole some money.
What a strange and twisted world we live in.


"someone who stole some money".



Yep - put it like that and it does make it sound a bit like shoplifting  from Woolworths.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 02, 2013, 07:08:50 PM
He deserted from national service, did time for GBH, and was a drug dealer. He was a criminal with the intention of getting something for nothing, if you think that this guy was admirable then the rest of us that worked hard all their lives are f###ing idiots, we should all do it.
So he deserted national service so what.
Did time for GBH,so sentence served what more do you want,and sold a few pills so what good luck to him.
Or he could have worked all his life in a factory for nothing.
Well that might be your way but some people want more from life and Bruce took his opportunity got caught and served his time,but had a great life in between in Mexico.
As for the people who you say worked hard all their life's are idiots,well if the hat fits.
R.I.P BRUCE A GREAT MAN AND A LOCAL HERO.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 02, 2013, 07:14:06 PM
Don't post it on a forum if you don't want replies then... He was a criminal and that's a fact..
So you have never done anything wrong Toffo?
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 02, 2013, 07:22:07 PM
What a sad world we live in when people are respecting the criminal world and normal people struggle to put food on the table...

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Sadly passed away.

he passed away and it may be sad for his relitives but Sorry it is not sad for the world in which he did or left anything of any good. Gone and good riddance to bad rubbish
You people make me laugh judge jury and executioner.
Maybe you would like to say that to his family,i can put you in touch if you want?
To Bruce a good family friend,gone but not forgotten.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 02, 2013, 07:31:36 PM
What a sad world we live in when people are respecting the criminal world and normal people struggle to put food on the table...

Quote
Sadly passed away.

he passed away and it may be sad for his relitives but Sorry it is not sad for the world in which he did or left anything of any good. Gone and good riddance to bad rubbish
Bad rubbish Nobby is that so.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: toffo on March 02, 2013, 08:22:32 PM
Yeah ive done things wrong of course but if someone wants to bring it up when i die then so be it... All i did was give my opinion that i dont respect him,if thats upset you then i apologise
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 02, 2013, 08:43:57 PM
Yeah ive done things wrong of course but if someone wants to bring it up when i die then so be it... All i did was give my opinion that i dont respect him,if thats upset you then i apologise
There is no need to apologize.
But all i done was try to give my respect to a dead man,and i got jumped on and a good man was disrespected.
Some of us have a past we would rather forget,but our past doesn't make us bad people in the present day.
 
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: davu on March 02, 2013, 10:41:15 PM
I can't believe what I am reading here. So he did a little time, so he hurt  one or two people for financial gain, so what, he didn't want to work.
He had a great life? Ok I was up in big trees in winter, laying concrete in summer, I also had a great life and could look at myself in the mirror. RIP? RIH, work it out for yourself.
Glad to hear that you approve of selling drugs, that helps me sort out what kind of guy you are. I suppose you did the same kind of thing if you think this is an appropriate way of earning money.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 03, 2013, 07:31:15 AM
I can't believe what I am reading here. So he did a little time, so he hurt  one or two people for financial gain, so what, he didn't want to work.
He had a great life? Ok I was up in big trees in winter, laying concrete in summer, I also had a great life and could look at myself in the mirror. RIP? RIH, work it out for yourself.
Glad to hear that you approve of selling drugs, that helps me sort out what kind of guy you are. I suppose you did the same kind of thing if you think this is an appropriate way of earning money.
You obviously know nothing about Bruce whatsoever,he did work had several jobs.
As for the GBH got 3 and a half years,and served his time.
As for the drugs yes not something i would assume he was proud about,but coming out of prison after the 25 years of which he served 10 years on a guilty plea,had no source of income and had no choice to make some money what ever way he could.
He received a further 3 years for that and served his time.
To answer your question NO i don't think it's appropriate to sell drugs,but sometimes you may be pushed into a corner,and Bruce would probably be the first to admit that wasn't the best times of his life.
You can assume what you want about me,but you know nothing about me whatsoever,think what you want about me i don't really care.
TO BRUCE REYNOLDS REST IN PEACE,YOU WERE A TRUE GENTLEMAN.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: davu on March 03, 2013, 07:09:56 PM
Boll**ks
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 03, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
Boll**ks
That's terrible language from a man of your age,Bruce would be very upset with you.
The great thing about people like Bruce is they sure know how to earn  moneysmile.
TO BRUCE REYNOLDS REST IN PEACE,YOU WERE A TRUE GENTLEMAN.


Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: tonypace01 on March 04, 2013, 05:18:51 AM
I have never quite understood the concept of respect for the dead. Why should a person earn more respect merely through the act of dying than he might otherwise have earned had he continued living? It is not as if dying requires some bold, inspiring action that will uplift generations yet unborn. And there is nothing unique about it. It’s been done to death. (NPI) So Bruce (Ulsterman) Reynolds has died. He was a crook. The fact that he was a nice guy who died makes him no more deserving of respect than any other crook who had family and friends. Dr. Fred Shipman was a nice guy, too. Friendly, caring. He loved his patients to death… quite literally.  May we not speak badly of this fiend who prematurely bestowed eternal peace onto hundreds of his patients? And who felt more love and affection from people than Adolf Hitler. Does his death now mandate a moratorium on calling der Fuhrer a son of a bitch.
I figure I have about 10 years left. My reputation while I live can affect the comfort I get in those remaining years so I try to guard it a bit. Occasionally that takes some effort because, as Hamlet said, “I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me.” But once I have escaped to that “undiscovered country,” I don’t give two damns if I am the object of universal contempt now and I surely won’t then. Respect for the dead is a concept cherished only by the living, who hope to keep people from speaking contemptuously of them when they are no longer in a position to defend themselves. 
BTW, yesterday was the 124th birthday of Charles Ponzi, Capitalism and Wall Street’s early 20th century love child. Anybody have something respectful to say about him?
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 06, 2013, 05:13:16 PM
Another great man passes away.

R.I.P  HUGO CHAVEZ
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: tonypace01 on March 06, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
Now that is a man worth mourning.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Albert on March 06, 2013, 06:04:33 PM
Now that is a man worth mourning.
Glad we agree.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: CO-CO on March 21, 2013, 08:13:23 AM
Yeah ive done things wrong of course but if someone wants to bring it up when i die then so be it... All i did was give my opinion that i dont respect him,if thats upset you then i apologise
There is no need to apologize.
But all i done was try to give my respect to a dead man,and i got jumped on and a good man was disrespected.
Some of us have a past we would rather forget,but our past doesn't make us bad people in the present day.


This is a good article - I imagine that Albert will know some of the faces...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2296402/Bruce-Reynolds-funeral-Ronnie-Biggs-flicks-V-sign-funeral-Great-Train-Robber.html
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Ahab on March 21, 2013, 01:05:38 PM
Not so sadly for some. He was a tyrant and dictator, it is good that he is dead. I'm sure his family is sad, just like Mao, Stalin and Hitlers family was probably sad when they past away. I don't think Chavez was on the level of the previous three, but he was a bad person only interested in his personal enrichment to the tune of a more than a billion USD. He will not be missed.
 
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: CO-CO on March 21, 2013, 01:18:25 PM
Not so sadly for some. He was a tyrant and dictator, it is good that he is dead. I'm sure his family is sad, just like Mao, Stalin and Hitlers family was probably sad when they past away. I don't think Chavez was on the level of the previous three, but he was a bad person only interested in his personal enrichment to the tune of a more than a billion USD. He will not be missed.

Most Venezuelans appear to think otherwise.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Ahab on March 21, 2013, 02:08:39 PM
The Russians still think highly of Stalin and he was responsible for 26 million (Russian) deaths. Go figure?
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: toffo on March 21, 2013, 02:10:58 PM
 Most Thais think Thaskin is a good man but we know different
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: CO-CO on March 21, 2013, 06:35:20 PM
The Russians still think highly of Stalin and he was responsible for 26 million (Russian) deaths. Go figure?
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"Go figure" ? I have never quite understood that.


Is it part of our language that you have bastardised. ?
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: BillH52 on March 22, 2013, 08:42:51 AM
The Russians still think highly of Stalin and he was responsible for 26 million (Russian) deaths. Go figure?
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"Go figure" ? I have never quite understood that.


Is it part of our language that you have bastardised. ?
I think 'go figure' is equivalent to  - 'gobsmacked'.  Not sure about any 'bastardizing'. 
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: CO-CO on March 22, 2013, 01:53:03 PM
The Russians still think highly of Stalin and he was responsible for 26 million (Russian) deaths. Go figure?
[/quote

"Go figure" ? I have never quite understood that.


Is it part of our language that you have bastardised. ?
I think 'go figure' is equivalent to  - 'gobsmacked'.  Not sure about any 'bastardizing'.


You have even managed to "bastardize" 'bastardise' :)
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: BillH52 on March 22, 2013, 08:32:03 PM
"You have even managed to "bastardize" 'bastardise' :)"

I tried my best!  Even went to the Cambridge Dictionary Online - used the auto translation tool to translate from 'American English' to 'British English' and it still came out that way!

 Go figure!           bravo1
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Antonio on July 01, 2013, 07:47:42 PM
Another great man gone.

 Ruairí O Brádaigh.
(2 October 1932 – 5 June 2013)

R.I.P. GONE BUT NEVER FORGOTTEN.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Antonio on July 08, 2013, 10:20:22 AM
Joseph (Joe) McDonnell 14 September 1951 - 8 July 1981)

R.I.P.

Remembering a brave soldier.
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: binnsy on July 08, 2013, 10:38:38 AM
Joseph (Joe) McDonnell 14 September 1951 - 8 July 1981)

R.I.P.

Remembering a brave soldier.

Guess he was another terrorist
:)
Title: Re: Sadly passed away.
Post by: Antonio on July 08, 2013, 10:52:11 AM
Joseph (Joe) McDonnell 14 September 1951 - 8 July 1981)

R.I.P.

Remembering a brave soldier.

Guess he was another terrorist
:)
No he was a brave soldier,trying to protect his country from an invading force.