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Buriram Province - General Category => International News clippings => Topic started by: Italiantony on September 13, 2012, 08:06:44 AM
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I think most people agree that 9/11 did not happen the way the American government want us to believe.
So 11 years on how as your opinion changed from that terrible day.
I myself believe nothing the American government tell us.Here is a 9/11 conspiracy theory.
Anyway you make your own mind up,just thought it would be an interesting topic,11 years on.
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IMHO It wasn't an interesting topic when the theory emerged around 10 years or so ago.....yawn
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Since this isn't really an international news clipping, should it be moved to the General Discussion section?
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Since this isn't really an international news clipping, should it be moved to the General Discussion section?
You may move it wherever,the fact remains that the American government are still telling lies.
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IMHO It wasn't an interesting topic when the theory emerged around 10 years or so ago.....yawn
You are entitled to your opinion the same as everyone else,but clearly their are many questions still unanswered.
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Let us not forget that on July 28, 1945 a B25 bomber crashed into the Empire State Building.
It exploded while still embedded in the building. After the fire was put out, no structural damage was reported to the building.
Strange then how a building with more technology collapses by being hit by a much smaller passenger aircraft.
Something to think about maybe.
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Strange then how a building with more technology collapses by being hit by a much smaller passenger aircraft.
Something to think about maybe.
Perhaps there was a simultaneous attack from an invisible martian heat ray.....
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It Amazes me that anybody can think its a lie.... Im not American but its hard to ignore what you saw and also the plane that didnt make it the ppl on it called home saying they had been hijacked...
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Your deluded or brainwashed Tony.. which one is it?
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Strange then how a building with more technology collapses by being hit by a much smaller passenger aircraft.
Something to think about maybe.
Perhaps there was a simultaneous attack from an invisible martian heat ray.....
You are entitled to your opinion my friend but scientist and many other professional people have studied this for many years,and have come to the conclusion that what the American government said happened is not within the laws of physics,facts don't lie my friend but governments do,especially those that have hidden agendas.
Remember i am not asking you to believe but at least have an open mind,the truth is there to see in black and white,but some people choose to remain blind.
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Your deluded or brainwashed Tony.. which one is it?
Maybe you should ask that question to yourself.
Read the facts my friend they don't lie.
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It Amazes me that anybody can think its a lie.... Im not American but its hard to ignore what you saw and also the plane that didnt make it the ppl on it called home saying they had been hijacked...
There was no evidence ever found that a cellphone call was made from anyone on the suspected hijacked planes.
It's impossible to make cellphone calls at speeds over 230 MPH,and above 2.000 feet.
Strange also that 5 members of the so called hijackers have been interviewed by the BBC in the middle east,everyone else died on them planes except for the 5 hijackers.
Allah sure does work in mysterious ways.
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Differing views here, but an interesting topic nevertheless. Clearly there are some unanswered questions.
Lets keep it civil.
To move on slightly, what Tony do you think the the US governments hidden agenda might have been?
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A couple of things.
The Towers were built on the "straw" method. It was cutting edge but didn't take into account a traumatic point load rather a load applied holistically. The aftermath has been studied by the most eminent civil engineers in the world.
Radio's work at over Mach 1. A cell phone is a radio that is low powered and requires many receiver masts. Cell phone calls are available on many international flights through the aircraft system. You are not allowed to use yours as it is unshielded, the aircraft emitter is. It's questionable whether this is a revenue raising matter however technically its possibility is not under question. As you said Tony physics don't lie.
I really can't say who or what was responsible in a definitive way. All I know is that just under five thousand people died.
If I ever do find out who twas responsible......those bastards will answer to me!
I think the chief bastard may have already payed in Abbottabad may Allah's peace and blessing be upon him.....NOT!
Cheers,
JT sawadi
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Differing views here, but an interesting topic nevertheless. Clearly there are some unanswered questions.
Lets keep it civil.
To move on slightly, what Tony do you think the the US governments hidden agenda might have been?
This is not of my own hand but basically maps out the reason for what the U,S.A.are doing and why they are doing it.
It is not directly aimed at any individuals that are members or have a controlling function in this forum.
Since before 9/11, the American government has been meddling in mid-east affairs. U.S. covert and overt operations have helped to shape the volatile region over the years paving the way for imperial American oversight. The question remains however, why?
Let’s just get that which is obvious out of the way- oil. The west has in part occupied the middle east so as to capitalize upon the immense reserves of oil found therein. Some have speculated that the Earth is running out of oil. If such is indeed the case, it is clear as to why major world powers would want a chunk of the middle east to claim their own.
Oil aside, there are a few other solid reasons as to why we’re butchering and blowing things up overseas. The next most obvious of answers that one could give for a U.S. presence in the middle east would be that of Israel.
The year is 2012. The Presidential elections are in full swing. Almost every question asked of candidates concerning foreign policy is over how best to assist Israel both monetarily and militarily- as if to imply that no other nation on Earth exists nor is in need of U.S. attention. Candidate Ron Paul has taken much heat over his belief that all foreign aid- including aid to Israel- should be cut off entirely.
Ever since large swaths of the Jewish community migrated to the middle east after the reportedly tragic events surrounding the Nazi holocaust, the U.S. has been offering all kinds of goodies to the nation of Israel at the tax payer’s expense. In a world where almost every other facet implies a ‘dog-eat-dog’, ‘survival of the fittest’ attitude, the U.S. is just incapable of allowing Israel to attempt to make it on its own just as all other nations have struggled to do so for themselves.
Israel’s wars have become our wars- and this reason alone is perhaps one of the largest of excuses for the U.S. to be engaged in foreign affairs abroad.
There is one last prominent reason as to why the American empire has spread in to the areas that are considered by many to be the ‘cradle of civilization’. This is a reason not too often spoken of but is just as important as what has been mentioned above. The corporate, ‘new world order’ architecture which drives the industrial world is virtually absent in most parts of the middle east.
The global elite hate Islamic culture because in its own stringent way, it doesn’t allow for the ‘modernization’ of culture which so defines much of the western world. By ‘modernization’ I don’t mean advances in science, mathematics, and technology- I’m talking about the sprouting up of mega corporations such as Walmart, Starbucks, and McDonalds and the subsequent shackling of the population via taxation, debt, and servitude to an all-encompassing corporate state.
As wars continue to rage on in the middle east, remember the reasons as to why we’re over there as outlined in this article. When a person begins to see the world through a more proper lens, everything ultimately begins to make sense.
The 21st century will no doubt be characterized as the century of intense warfare all in the name of the aforementioned pursuits. If it is true that the world is running out of oil, expect both the bloodshed and the size of the weaponry involved in these wars to grow exponentially.
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A couple of things.
The Towers were built on the "straw" method. It was cutting edge but didn't take into account a traumatic point load rather a load applied holistically. The aftermath has been studied by the most eminent civil engineers in the world.
Radio's work at over Mach 1. A cell phone is a radio that is low powered and requires many receiver masts. Cell phone calls are available on many international flights through the aircraft system. You are not allowed to use yours as it is unshielded, the aircraft emitter is. It's questionable whether this is a revenue raising matter however technically its possibility is not under question. As you said Tony physics don't lie.
I really can't say who or what was responsible in a definitive way. All I know is that just under five thousand people died.
If I ever do find out who twas responsible......those bastards will answer to me!
I think the chief bastard may have already payed in Abbottabad may Allah's peace and blessing be upon him.....NOT!
Cheers,
JT sawadi
Agree with you on the majority of what you said although i don't believe the Americans had anything to do with the death of Osama Bin Laden.
But as for those who died on 9/11 it will always be a tragic loss to the world and the circumstances that surround their deaths.
May you all R.I.P.
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If DEVGRU ,correct name. Or SEAL TEAM 6 as they were known under their past ,( questionably discredited ),commander Dick Marcinko.Weren't responsible for the death of Usama ( correct name ) Bin Laden then please tell me as I would like to know.
BTW all correspondence by US military and Police refers to UBL=Usama Bin Laden which was his correct name.
JT
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Oh...I forgot...forgive me sawadi
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If DEVGRU ,correct name. Or SEAL TEAM 6 as they were known under their past ,( questionably discredited ),commander Dick Marcinko.Weren't responsible for the death of Usama ( correct name ) Bin Laden then please tell me as I would like to know.
BTW all correspondence by US military and Police refers to UBL=Usama Bin Laden which was his correct name.
JT
As to my believes on the way Usama (stand corrected)died are not important,but don't you think it's a bit strange that the
so called most important terrorist in the world,having been killed was then taken away and buried at sea within 3/4 hours,and not a single photo has been shown to prove his death.
Some what suspicious don't you think.
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No Tony its not suss.
Photo's were taken. They are not available to you or me supposedly. I have seen some illegal ones which I believe were intentionally leaked.
He was buried at sea to conform with Muslim tradition in that a body must be buried prior to sundown of the day of death. This was a convenient cover for the desire of the US government to not provide a point of assembly for those who would desire a land based place of worship of his martyrdom. A belief well founded in my opinion.
If the stories appearing in the press regarding the book written by an assault group member are accurate then I can understand US Special Forces Command (SPECFOR) concern that actions taken on the day could be seen as pre determined. In short he put up no resistance and was shot down.
I would like to make a comment now in rather blunt and crude language.....however I will refrain. I will resort to Latin which ,while an ancient language, is succinct and to the point.
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS
JT sawadi
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No Tony its not suss.
Photo's were taken. They are not available to you or me supposedly. I have seen some illegal ones which I believe were intentionally leaked.
He was buried at sea to conform with Muslim tradition in that a body must be buried prior to sundown of the day of death. This was a convenient cover for the desire of the US government to not provide a point of assembly for those who would desire a land based place of worship of his martyrdom. A belief well founded in my opinion.
If the stories appearing in the press regarding the book written by an assault group member are accurate then I can understand US Special Forces Command (SPECFOR) concern that actions taken on the day could be seen as pre determined. In short he put up no resistance and was shot down.
I would like to make a comment now in rather blunt and crude language.....however I will refrain. I will resort to Latin which ,while an ancient language, is succinct and to the point.
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS
JT sawadi
You seem to come across as somewhat of a military man yourself,also you seem to glorify in the murder of Usama Bin Laden and what the Americans are doing in the middle-east.
Many conflicting stories came out about Bin Laden being unarmed at the supposedly place of execution,if so why was he not arrested on charges of terrorism,or do you think America has the right to be judge,jury and executioner.
I don't believe for one minute that the American special forces killed Bin Laden,but i must admit they have a terrible reputation for killing their own.
But what does seem somewhat strange is why people always believe in what governments and politicians say,it's a form of indoctrination mind control,only believe in what we as your government tell you to believe in,no more no less.
Here are some statistics on the war mongering nation of America and how many countries they have bombed or tried to overthrow or sabotage since world 2.
It's ironic that America say Iran is a danger to the world,what and America ain't.
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I wonder where Italiantony would be today if we had let Hitler have Italy?
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I wonder where Italiantony would be today if we had let Hitler have Italy?
I assume by WE you mean the American Army,well It was not just the American Army the British Army were there as well involved in the invasion of Sicily.The beginning of the end for Germany in Italy.
In October 1940, Benito Mussolini declared war on Greece. Attempts by the Italian Army to invade Greece ended in failure. The war was also going badly in North Africa. Although outnumbered, General Archibald Wavell ordered a British counter-offensive on 9th December, 1940. The Italians suffered heavy casualties and were pushed back more than 800km (500 miles). British troops moved along the coast and on 22nd January, 1941, they captured the port of Tobruk in Libya from the Italians.
Not the mighty Americans but the best army in the World the BRITISH ARMY.
As for where i would be today i have no idea,but my gratitude goes to the British Military.
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I've stayed out of this thread, as the loony tunes conspiracy theories are not worth commenting on, they are best left to the tin foil hat brigade in my opinion and someone of your obvious intelligence is of course just indulging in a wind-up.
But you cannot have it both ways Tony, you claim to disbelieve the facts of 9/11 but are happy to quote “facts” from the Nutters.
Just because some bloke puts stuff on the internet does not make it fact, scientific or otherwise.
By using the collective "we" Ron Texas actually meant the Allies.
Again, you can't have it both ways Tony, in post #20 you say "But what does seem somewhat strange is why people always believe in what governments and politicians say,it's a form of indoctrination mind control,only believe in what we as your government tell you to believe in,no more no less."
But you had ended the previous paragraph saying “I don't believe for one minute that the American special forces killed Bin Laden,but i must admit they have a terrible reputation for killing their own” - that reputation surely is from indoctrination via the media
Then in post #22 you say “the best army in the World the BRITISH ARMY” - who told you they are the best, the media, indoctrination.......
All armies are the same, peopled by average blokes who really don't want to be there, doing jobs they don't want, but to a man, trying their best, despite being scared witless. They all have friendly fire incidents.
All right thinking individuals are happy at the demise of that Bin Laden creature.
It was not America being Judge Jury and Executioner, it was just an average bloke doing his job the best way he could.
I'm really not sure why you would want an arrest and expensive trial or a photo of the corpse but each to his own.
Here endeth the lesson....
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I couldn't put it better myself Joe. I'm with you. Just an average bloke.
Yes indeed the lesson endeth here.
Regards,
JT
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Dimple Joe are John are exactly right. It does not take a lot of words to explain the obvious.
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In October 1940, Benito Mussolini declared war on Greece. Attempts by the Italian Army to invade Greece ended in failure. The war was also going badly in North Africa. Although outnumbered, General Archibald Wavell ordered a British counter-offensive on 9th December, 1940. The Italians suffered heavy casualties and were pushed back more than 800km (500 miles). British troops moved along the coast and on 22nd January, 1941, they captured the port of Tobruk in Libya from the Italians.
Nice copy & paste from a website similar to http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWmussolini.htm (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWmussolini.htm) which you can find by googling the first sentence above....
It's very likely that you are a TROLL purporting to be an italian.....Reminds me of another member who has had many identities....
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I've stayed out of this thread, as the loony tunes conspiracy theories are not worth commenting on, they are best left to the tin foil hat brigade in my opinion and someone of your obvious intelligence is of course just indulging in a wind-up.
But you cannot have it both ways Tony, you claim to disbelieve the facts of 9/11 but are happy to quote “facts” from the Nutters.
Just because some bloke puts stuff on the internet does not make it fact, scientific or otherwise.
By using the collective "we" Ron Texas actually meant the Allies.
Again, you can't have it both ways Tony, in post #20 you say "But what does seem somewhat strange is why people always believe in what governments and politicians say,it's a form of indoctrination mind control,only believe in what we as your government tell you to believe in,no more no less."
But you had ended the previous paragraph saying “I don't believe for one minute that the American special forces killed Bin Laden,but i must admit they have a terrible reputation for killing their own” - that reputation surely is from indoctrination via the media
Then in post #22 you say “the best army in the World the BRITISH ARMY” - who told you they are the best, the media, indoctrination.......
All armies are the same, peopled by average blokes who really don't want to be there, doing jobs they don't want, but to a man, trying their best, despite being scared witless. They all have friendly fire incidents.
All right thinking individuals are happy at the demise of that Bin Laden creature.
It was not America being Judge Jury and Executioner, it was just an average bloke doing his job the best way he could.
I'm really not sure why you would want an arrest and expensive trial or a photo of the corpse but each to his own.
Here endeth the lesson....
I've stayed out of this thread, as the loony tunes conspiracy theories are not worth commenting on, they are best left to the tin foil hat brigade in my opinion and someone of your obvious intelligence is of course just indulging in a wind-up.
But you cannot have it both ways Tony, you claim to disbelieve the facts of 9/11 but are happy to quote “facts” from the Nutters.
Nutters a strange word to use to describe scientist that have study the evidence for over 10 years and categorically stated that what the American government have said is basically lies.
Professional people who have study and majored in their field of expertise.
I am not trying to deny anyone of their opinion,but simple ask them to look at all the options before them,and then make a calculated diagnosis of the evidence.
I respect your views and your opinions and i have enjoyed the debate.
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In October 1940, Benito Mussolini declared war on Greece. Attempts by the Italian Army to invade Greece ended in failure. The war was also going badly in North Africa. Although outnumbered, General Archibald Wavell ordered a British counter-offensive on 9th December, 1940. The Italians suffered heavy casualties and were pushed back more than 800km (500 miles). British troops moved along the coast and on 22nd January, 1941, they captured the port of Tobruk in Libya from the Italians.
Nice copy & paste from a website similar to http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWmussolini.htm (http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWmussolini.htm) which you can find by googling the first sentence above....
It's very likely that you are a TROLL purporting to be an italian.....Reminds me of another member who has had many identities....
mxyzptlk i don't think it's against any laws to use the internet as a way of forwarding information,i am sure we all do it from time to time.
As for the remark about me being a TROLL i find your remark unjust and somewhat bewildering,and upsetting that you think i would lie about my nationality of which i am very proud.
I hope we can put this minor incident behind us and enjoy some intelligent debates in the future.
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Italiantony ...there is nothing wrong with quoting someone else's work to make your point.
But internet etiquette, and to avoid a charge of plagiarism, require you to quote your source.
Slightly off topic, but as an Italian who seems well versed in military matters, could you please answer one question that has been bothering me for years.
Is it true that Italian tanks have 5 reverse gears and only 1 forward ? :blink:
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I think most people agree that 9/11 did not happen the way the American government want us to believe.
So 11 years on how as your opinion changed from that terrible day.
I myself believe nothing the American government tell us.Here is a 9/11 conspiracy theory.
Anyway you make your own mind up,just thought it would be an interesting topic,11 years on.
Your first sentence "I think most people agree that 9/11 did not happen the way the American government want us to believe.". Shows that you associate with people with diminished metal capacity. The theory that the US government killed the people on those planes and then remotely controlled those planes into the towers, or you may think that explosives were placed in the buildings prior to flying the airplanes into them (WTF would you fly airplanes into a building that was already rigged to explode?).
I served on active duty 24 years in the U.S. Navy (submarines) and have worked for the U.S. Federal government for the past 6 years. Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe that the USA was just incompetent? It does not have to be some overly complex wacked out conspiracy theory. From personal experience, trust me, it could just be that the US screwed up.
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Italiantony ...there is nothing wrong with quoting someone else's work to make your point.
But internet etiquette, and to avoid a charge of plagiarism, require you to quote your source.
Slightly off topic, but as an Italian who seems well versed in military matters, could you please answer one question that has been bothering me for years.
Is it true that Italian tanks have 5 reverse gears and only 1 forward ? :blink:
I accept i was wrong and should have quoted where my source came from.
As for the Italian tank question.
I don't know the answer to this question,i am not qualified to answer questions on the mechanical workings of a tank,but i would assume that many other countries use the same make and model of tank but with a different national flag.
We in Italy concentrate on luxury and sports cars,like Ferrari,Lamborghini,Maserati,Alfa Romeo,and not sure if it's still Italian owned the Bugatti.
It funny how many times people have ask me that same question,i have now rehearsed my answer. redman.
Yes it's a Red scarf not White. thumbup
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Your first sentence "I think most people agree that 9/11 did not happen the way the American government want us to believe.". Shows that you associate with people with diminished metal capacity. The theory that the US government killed the people on those planes and then remotely controlled those planes into the towers, or you may think that explosives were placed in the buildings prior to flying the airplanes into them (WTF would you fly airplanes into a building that was already rigged to explode?).
I served on active duty 24 years in the U.S. Navy (submarines) and have worked for the U.S. Federal government for the past 6 years. Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe that the USA was just incompetent? It does not have to be some overly complex wacked out conspiracy theory. From personal experience, trust me, it could just be that the US screwed up.
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe that the USA was just incompetent.Yes on numerous occasions.
Yes it's possibly and highly probable the American government screwed up,not for the first time and certainly not the last.
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Lamborghini and Bugatti are both owned by the Volkswagen Group and since that happened both cars became reliable and a lot safer
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Lamborghini and Bugatti are both owned by the Volkswagen Group and since that happened both cars became reliable and a lot safer
Yes i did hear something about the Bugatti being taken over by Volkswagen.
But what i didn't know was Lamborghini being taken over by Volkswagen,just looked it up and it says they were taken over in 1998.
Ferrari is still Italian..............Isn't it. thumbup.
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Your first sentence "I think most people agree that 9/11 did not happen the way the American government want us to believe.". Shows that you associate with people with diminished metal capacity. The theory that the US government killed the people on those planes and then remotely controlled those planes into the towers, or you may think that explosives were placed in the buildings prior to flying the airplanes into them (WTF would you fly airplanes into a building that was already rigged to explode?).
I served on active duty 24 years in the U.S. Navy (submarines) and have worked for the U.S. Federal government for the past 6 years. Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe that the USA was just incompetent? It does not have to be some overly complex wacked out conspiracy theory. From personal experience, trust me, it could just be that the US screwed up.
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe that the USA was just incompetent.Yes on numerous occasions.
Yes it's possibly and highly probable the American government screwed up,not for the first time and certainly not the last.
Then on this subject we are in 100% agreement. Sometimes the most simple explanation for what happened is correct.
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Lamborghini and Bugatti are both owned by the Volkswagen Group and since that happened both cars became reliable and a lot safer
Think you will find that Bugatti was French not Italian.
Mind you it's links with 9/11 are tenuous.
TBWG buriram_united sawadi
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Automobiles Ettore Bugatti was a French car manufacturer of high-performance automobiles, founded in 1909 in Molsheim, Alsace by Italian-born Ettore Bugatti.
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Lamborghini and Bugatti are both owned by the Volkswagen Group and since that happened both cars became reliable and a lot safer
Think you will find that Bugatti was French not Italian.
Mind you it's links with 9/11 are tenuous.
TBWG buriram_united sawadi
www.automotiveforums.com.
Bugatti was italian) and then later moved to France. Usually it's considered a French company but in terms of heritage it's ITALIAN.
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I wonder where Italiantony would be today if we had let Hitler have Italy?
So Many targets, so little time.
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self explanatory
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I think you will find the Amercan bankers have taken care of that.........!
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And still looking for more targets.
Want to get on the list?
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I wonder where Italiantony would be today if we had let Hitler have Italy?
So Many targets, so little time.
You sound like you may have been a submarine sailor?
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I wonder where Italiantony would be today if we had let Hitler have Italy?
Living in Bromley probably! :D :D :D
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You sound like you may have been a submarine sailor?
No, just had some interesting assignments, US Army RET (Screaming Eagle). And I read the book Blind Man's Bluff.
Plus there was the time I was told "The CINC has to brief Rumsfeld is 20 minutes, get me this information now."
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You sound like you may have been a submarine sailor?
No, just had some interesting assignments, US Army RET (Screaming Eagle). And I read the book Blind Man's Bluff.
Plus there was the time I was told "The CINC has to brief Rumsfeld is 20 minutes, get me this information now."
Thank you for your service.
I am USN Ret. and only served on fast attack nuclear submarines (many years underwater at sea).
There are only two types of ships, submarines and targets.
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
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I think you will find the Amercan bankers have taken care of that.........!
A very true and intelligent observation,i assume your not American.
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
I agree with you entirely Tony.
What concerns me is why these 4 women, and indeed all the other boys and girls sign up voluntarily for this line of work. It is they that in my view need to seek the help of psychiatrists.
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
I agree with you entirely Tony.
What concerns me is why these 4 women, and indeed all the other boys and girls sign up voluntarily for this line of work. It is they that in my view need to seek the help of psychiatrists.
]I can only think that as children they suffered some sort of abuse,and now want to take revenge on the world.
By joining the Army they find salvation,and a license to KILL.
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I agree with you entirely Tony.
What concerns me is why these 4 women, and indeed all the other boys and girls sign up voluntarily for this line of work. It is they that in my view need to seek the help of psychiatrists.
]I can only think that as children they suffered some sort of abuse,and now want to take revenge on the world.
By joining the Army they find salvation,and a license to KILL.
I think you both need you heads examined:
It is the
VETERAN,
not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.
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I agree with you entirely Tony.
What concerns me is why these 4 women, and indeed all the other boys and girls sign up voluntarily for this line of work. It is they that in my view need to seek the help of psychiatrists.
]I can only think that as children they suffered some sort of abuse,and now want to take revenge on the world.
By joining the Army they find salvation,and a license to KILL.
I think you both need you heads examined:
It is the
VETERAN,
not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.
It is
the VETERAN,
not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.
If you seriously believe this then maybe you are beyond medical help.
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
I agree with you entirely Tony.
What concerns me is why these 4 women, and indeed all the other boys and girls sign up voluntarily for this line of work. It is they that in my view need to seek the help of psychiatrists.
]I can only think that as children they suffered some sort of abuse,and now want to take revenge on the world.
By joining the Army they find salvation,and a license to KILL.
Using your logic it would have been better if Europe had just let Hitler do what Hitler wanted to do. As George Orwell stated very well "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Or perhaps the following quote is applicable:
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” ~John Stuart Mill (1806-1873)
I hope you sleep very peaceably.
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Maybe there is afterall truth to these:
Q. How did they advertise surplus W. W. II Italian rifles for sale?
A. "Never fired, and only dropped once."
Q. Why does the new Italian Navy use glass bottomed boats?
A. So they can steer clear of the old Italian Navy.
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
I too agree with you. War is not funny, but neither is being weak and unprepared for war.
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
I agree with you entirely Tony.
What concerns me is why these 4 women, and indeed all the other boys and girls sign up voluntarily for this line of work. It is they that in my view need to seek the help of psychiatrists.
]I can only think that as children they suffered some sort of abuse,and now want to take revenge on the world.
By joining the Army they find salvation,and a license to KILL.
Using your logic it would have been better if Europe had just let Hitler do what Hitler wanted to do. As George Orwell stated very well "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
Or perhaps the following quote is applicable:
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” ~John Stuart Mill (1806-1873)
I hope you sleep very peaceably.
Yes indeed i do sleep very well Sir.
I ask no man to commit violence on my behalf.(Strange you choose the word violence over the word PROTECT)
What happened in Europe with Germany has no significance with the Afghan conflict.
I don't think it's the same as traveling half way around the world to illegally invade a country,and then justify it's actions by saying we are doing this in the fight against terrorism.
When most of the world knows that is not true.
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
I agree with you entirely Tony.
What concerns me is why these 4 women, and indeed all the other boys and girls sign up voluntarily for this line of work. It is they that in my view need to seek the help of psychiatrists.
]I can only think that as children they suffered some sort of abuse,and now want to take revenge on the world.
By joining the Army they find salvation,and a license to KILL.
How remarkably naive and disrespectful to those who laid down their lives, in various wars, to ensure that this world was a better/safer place.
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Volunteering and conscription are 2 different things CoCo.
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Volunteering and conscription are 2 different things CoCo.
Some people don't wait to be asked.
I doubt that Churchill, Montgomery, Eisenhower or Patton were conscripted.
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I didn't know you had been a soldier CoCo!
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Volunteering and conscription are 2 different things CoCo.
Some people don't wait to be asked.
I doubt that Churchill, Montgomery, Eisenhower or Patton were conscripted.
So are you suggesting that everyone should join the forces to make the world a safer place.
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Volunteering and conscription are 2 different things CoCo.
Some people don't wait to be asked.
I doubt that Churchill, Montgomery, Eisenhower or Patton were conscripted.
So are you suggesting that everyone should join the forces to make the world a safer place.
You do make some ridiculous statements.
No such suggestion was contained in my post.
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I didn't know you had been a soldier CoCo!
Other people have risked their lives (or lost them) to ensure that I shall never have to enlist.
I shall be eternally grateful for that.
I am no fan of war - any more than any right-thinking man would be.
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
I agree with you entirely Tony.
What concerns me is why these 4 women, and indeed all the other boys and girls sign up voluntarily for this line of work. It is they that in my view need to seek the help of psychiatrists.
]I can only think that as children they suffered some sort of abuse,and now want to take revenge on the world.
By joining the Army they find salvation,and a license to KILL.
How remarkably naive and disrespectful to those who laid down their lives, in various wars, to ensure that this world was a better/safer place.
After all these wars in the world do you honestly believe the world is a BETTER/SAFER place,
I certainly don't.
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I didn't know you had been a soldier CoCo!
Other people have risked their lives (or lost them) to ensure that I shall never have to enlist.
I shall be eternally grateful for that.
I am no fan of war - any more than any right-thinking man would be.
I shall be eternally grateful for that.
At what cost.
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
I agree with you entirely Tony.
What concerns me is why these 4 women, and indeed all the other boys and girls sign up voluntarily for this line of work. It is they that in my view need to seek the help of psychiatrists.
]I can only think that as children they suffered some sort of abuse,and now want to take revenge on the world.
By joining the Army they find salvation,and a license to KILL.
How remarkably naive and disrespectful to those who laid down their lives, in various wars, to ensure that this world was a better/safer place.
After all these wars in the world do you honestly believe the world is a BETTER/SAFER place,
I certainly don't.
I believe that Europe (most of it, anyway) was a better place by not allowing Hitler to p!ss all over it.
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I didn't know you had been a soldier CoCo!
Other people have risked their lives (or lost them) to ensure that I shall never have to enlist.
I shall be eternally grateful for that.
I am no fan of war - any more than any right-thinking man would be.
I shall be eternally grateful for that.
At what cost.
Somewhat less than the cost of not fighting evil.
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I didn't know you had been a soldier CoCo!
Other people have risked their lives (or lost them) to ensure that I shall never have to enlist.
I shall be eternally grateful for that.
I am no fan of war - any more than any right-thinking man would be.
I shall be eternally grateful for that.
At what cost.
Somewhat less than the cost of not fighting evil.
I am not sure exactly what you mean.
Are you suggesting that Islam is evil or Islamic countries are evil.
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I didn't know you had been a soldier CoCo!
Other people have risked their lives (or lost them) to ensure that I shall never have to enlist.
I shall be eternally grateful for that.
I am no fan of war - any more than any right-thinking man would be.
I shall be eternally grateful for that.
At what cost.
Somewhat less than the cost of not fighting evil.
I am not sure exactly what you mean.
Are you suggesting that Islam is evil or Islamic countries are evil.
Your mind works in mysterious ways Tony. The amount of "suggestions" entering your head probably warrant a medical referal.
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I didn't know you had been a soldier CoCo!
Other people have risked their lives (or lost them) to ensure that I shall never have to enlist.
I shall be eternally grateful for that.
I am no fan of war - any more than any right-thinking man would be.
I shall be eternally grateful for that.
At what cost.
Somewhat less than the cost of not fighting evil.
I am not sure exactly what you mean.
Are you suggesting that Islam is evil or Islamic countries are evil.
Your mind works in mysterious ways Tony. The amount of "suggestions" entering your head probably warrant a medical referal.
I suppose i ask for that one.
I compliment you on your reply.
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
So you would agree that would include the taking of Christopher Stevens' life ?
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Your deluded or brainwashed Tony.. which one is it?
Is "both" an option for this question ?
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Your deluded or brainwashed Tony.. which one is it?
Is "both" an option for this question ?
You are entitled to your opinion.
You are not wrong because i say so,likewise i am not wrong because you say so.
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Your deluded or brainwashed Tony.. which one is it?
Is "both" an option for this question ?
You are entitled to your opinion.
You are not wrong because i say so,likewise i am not wrong because you say so.
I was just clarifying the question Tony.
No opinion was offered.......................
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Your deluded or brainwashed Tony.. which one is it?
Is "both" an option for this question ?
You are entitled to your opinion.
You are not wrong because i say so,likewise i am not wrong because you say so.
Tony,
It appears thar your original topic has gotten side tracked. Here is a good link to myths of 9/11.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
So you would agree that would include the taking of Christopher Stevens' life ?
Most certainly.
It was terrible the taking of Christopher Stevens life,totally unacceptable.
I think the taking of any life is sad and i think life is a wonderful gift not to be took for granted.
I assure you sir i take no pleasure from any death.
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If you find this photo somewhat exhilarating then maybe you should seek the help of a good Psychiatrist.
Believe me their is nothing remotely funny about WAR,or the taking of LIFE.
Would you agree or not ????????
So you would agree that would include the taking of Christopher Stevens' life ?
Most certainly.
It was terrible the taking of Christopher Stevens life,totally unacceptable.
I think the taking of any life is sad and i think life is a wonderful gift not to be took for granted.
I assure you sir i take no pleasure from any death.
At least we have found someting that we whole-heartedly agree upon. congrats
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On the subject of the death of the American Ambassador, Christopher Stevens, let us not forget that 2 other Americans (I think embassy staff) also died.
The embassy attack, rightly or wrongly is blamed on the release of an anti Muslim film, the 14 minute trailer being available online and which I have seen.
Nobody knows who made this film. One man with a very foreign sounding name is assisting police. Is the film perhaps the work of individuals or a group, politically backed or otherwise, trying to undermine the Obama administration, and work towards a Republican victory in the upcoming.
elections.
Another conspiracy perhaps?