Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: Somnat on January 02, 2012, 09:11:58 PM
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Probably asked many times before....Public or Private hospital ? Or, anywhere else accepted?
Just getting the ducks in order for a Febuary extension.
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Medical not required for extension, only for Visa :biggrin:
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Medical not required for extension, only for Visa :biggrin:
WRONG
http://www.thailawonline.com/en/others/immigration-law/extension-based-on-retirement.html
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Medical not required for extension, only for Visa :biggrin:
WRONG
http://www.thailawonline.com/en/others/immigration-law/extension-based-on-retirement.html
I think you will find a medical certificate is no longer required for a retirement extension ,unless these sites are wrong :biggrin:
http://www.apply-thai-visa.com/thailand-retirement-visa.html
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/187520-medicial-certificate-for-retirement-visa-extension/
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/522384-need-retirement-visa-extension-requirements-directions-to-immigration-bkk/
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What's with this retirement business?
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Thailand O Visa-Retirement Extension (http://www.thailand-blogs.com/2010/07/15/thailand-o-visa-retirement-extension/)
If you are over 50 years of age and hit certain financial requirements it is possible to extend your stay in Thailand using an O visa retirement extension.
As in an O visa marriage extension you will first need to obtain a Non-Immigrant O visa in your own country. This type of visa is available from Thai embassies and consulates.
The main advantage of using a retirement extension to your O visa is that you are not required to exit Thailand every 90 days but instead report your address to the local Thai Immigration Office. Also providing you continue to renew each year there is no requirement to renew the original visa that you used to enter the country in the first place. In effect this means you can stay in Thailand for an indefinite period providing you continue to fulfil the visa extension requirements.
Thai Immigration rules for obtaining a retirement extension to your O visa are as follows:
The applicant must be 50+ years old, this means after your fiftieth birthday.
A. The applicant needs to have 800,000 Baht deposited in a Thai bank account in their name, the money needs to be deposited at least two months before the initial application and must have been in the account for at least three months on subsequent applications.
B. OR an income of 65,000 Baht a month such as a pension or other overseas investments
C. OR a combination of savings in a Thai bank and income that is equal to 800,000 Baht a year. There is no requirement to have the money that is deposited in the bank there for any set period.
The applicant must have a valid passport with at least six months to run before it expires and a valid O visa.
When making your application the Immigration Officer will want to see evidence of your financial standing, this can be provided in the following ways depending on which method (outlined above) you choose:
A letter from your bank confirming your account plus a statement that covers the previous two or three months depending whether this is your first application or a renewal. (A above)
A letter from your embassy in Thailand certifying your yearly income. Different countries require different proof before issuing such letters. The embassy web site of your own country should specify this. The British Embassy for example requires bank statements( covering last 3months) or current annual P60 form from your pension provider(s).(B above)
Both one and two above.(C above)
To complete the application process you will also need to present the Immigration Officer with the following documents:
A completed form TM 7, which can be obtained from your local immigration office or downloaded from the Thai Immigration web site. If downloaded you must make the form double sided not two separate sheets. Attach a current photograph (4 x 6 cm) to the back of the form.
Your passport. Plus a copy of the main page, the page containing your original O visa and the page that was stamped when you last entered Thailand. Also provide a copy of your departure card and if this is a renewal to your O visa retirement extension, a copy of the page containing the extension stamp.
A fee of 1900 Baht.
Occasionally Immigration Officers will ask for other documents so be prepared to show your actual bank book, a copy of any leasing or rental agreement you have and the yellow house book that is sometimes issued to foreigners.
Footnote:
If you wish to exit Thailand during the period of your retirement extension you MUST obtain a re-entry permit from your LOCAL immigration office before travelling using form TM 8. There are single and multi-entry versions which cost 1000/3900 Baht respectively. If you exit Thailand without such a permit then your retirement extension is no longer valid when you return and you need to start the whole process again.
Holders of a retirement extension to their O visa are required to report their address to their local Thai Immigration post every 90 days. Form TM 47 is used for this purpose. Postal notifications are also accepted.
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I think you will find a medical certificate is no longer required for a retirement extension smilenod
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Clear and concise information Jet Mickey. Well researched.
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jetmickeys info is correct ONLY if applied for in you home country. Once your in Thailand and you go for your annual extention based on retirement NO medical is required.
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jetmickeys info is correct ONLY if applied for in you home country. Once your in Thailand and you go for your annual extention based on retirement NO medical is required.
Like Noddy you don't read before you post, nono
I have said all along a medical is not required for a retirement extension. smilenod
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Can i borrow your glasses???
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I agree It was removed in 2005. Was that for an O on retirement obtained in your on country or was that for extension based on retirement inside Thailand? The reason i ask they required me in 2006 to have it, this was inside Thailand.
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I agree It was removed in 2005. Was that for an O on retirement obtained in your on country or was that for extension based on retirement inside Thailand? The reason i ask they required me in 2006 to have it, this was inside Thailand.
Some places take a little time to change to the new regulation,that why Thailand can be frustrating sometime,what is needed in one Provincial Office ( or Country ) is OK but not in another ::)
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Clear and concise information Jet Mickey. Well researched.
Always nice to have someone on a forum that knows what he is talking about love5
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Medical not required for extension, only for Visa :biggrin:
WRONG
http://www.thailawonline.com/en/others/immigration-law/extension-based-on-retirement.html
So whos right and whos wrong ?
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Medical not required for extension, only for Visa :biggrin:
WRONG
http://www.thailawonline.com/en/others/immigration-law/extension-based-on-retirement.html
So whos right and whos wrong ?
When in doubt refer to official sites.
http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/temporarystay/policy305-2551_en.pdf
Page 9 gives the answer and confirms what Jetmickey said. Sebastians (Isaan Lawyers) is not wrong because if there are health issues there could be a problem - BUT - a health certificate is not required.
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Thats sorted then,not that i need one at the moment,but its nice to get know posters who are able to post the correct information as opposed to some who just copy and paste without having the facts.
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Can you have a retirement visa if you are working outside of thailand,whats my best option for staying 3 months at a time ? uk citizen
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Thats sorted then,not that i need one at the moment,but its nice to get know posters who are able to post the correct information as opposed to some who just copy and paste without having the facts.
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Can you have a retirement visa if you are working outside of thailand,whats my best option for staying 3 months at a time ? uk citizen
Frank, I have found that jetmickey (or whoever he is next week biggreen ) is usually on the ball with information.
You may get different opinions on your question. "3 months at a time" depends how it splits and may make tourist visas the best option.
If you meet the criteria for a non-immigrant O visa that may be best because you can stay for 90 days at a time within the 12 month validity of the visa (which you can stretch to almost 15 months with careful planning).
If you are married to a Thai, have Thai kids or are over 50 you may be OK for a non-Imm O visa.
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Thats sorted then,not that i need one at the moment,but its nice to get know posters who are able to post the correct information as opposed to some who just copy and paste without having the facts.
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Can you have a retirement visa if you are working outside of thailand,whats my best option for staying 3 months at a time ? uk citizen
Frank, I have found that jetmickey (or whoever he is next week biggreen ) is usually on the ball with information.
You may get different opinions on your question. "3 months at a time" depends how it splits and may make tourist visas the best option.
If you meet the criteria for a non-immigrant O visa that may be best because you can stay for 90 days at a time within the 12 month validity of the visa (which you can stretch to almost 15 months with careful planning).
If you are married to a Thai, have Thai kids or are over 50 you may be OK for a non-Imm O visa.
More info is needed to give a precise answer but as Coffeecorner has said the best way for a 3 month stay is ( if your not married to a Thai/ not over 50 or planing to work in Thailand ) a Double Entry Tourist Visa ( 120 Days) or a single Entry Tourist Visa ( 60 day ) and getting a 30 day extension for 1900 baht at a local immigration office .
Tourist Visa's must be obtained from a Thai Consulate outside of the Kingdom before coming to Thailand
Hope that helps :biggrin:
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Thank you Tony C and Coffeecorner
I work in europe im not married to a thai and im a uk citizen
So thats another matter resolved
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Age is the final factor. The non-Imm O is possible for an over 50 who can evidence income of at least GBP 900 p.m.
Otherwise it is Tourist visa
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Age is the final factor. The non-Imm O is possible for an over 50 who can evidence income of at least GBP 900 p.m.
Otherwise it is Tourist visa
I went to my embassy in Bangkok, they have a ready made form to fill in to affirm income. I filled it out, got it notarised, and the Korat Immigration office accepted it with no issues. It really helped as they had issues with my bank statement. I would recommend doing this, even at the outrageous notarization fees (US Embassy, $50)
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Hi Buriram,
As you guess, I am Sebastian from Isaan Lawyers. I do not come here often, but I was directed to this topic.
Simple comments:
1) Many people do not understand the difference between a visa and an extension. On the text of thailawonline,com, there are 2 sections.
2) Read clearly, it was written necessary for a visa, but it is not in the list of documents for extensions.
3) Rules always change from a country to another, from an office to another, from a year to another. Always check.
What works in KL might not work in Vientiane. What they request in Korat might be different than Udon Thani. TIT.
4) The website of immigration is often NOT up to date. Forums are full of misconceptions and errors. Everyone is an expert on forums... I stopped posting on most of them because of problems it makes. Sometimes, even competition use a nickname to try to discredit your posts..
5) We try to update thailawonline, put all info we can, but we are a small team of 5 people, in Isaan!!! I am no expert in visa. But we do that every month for years, so we know a little. If you find any mistake on thailawonline tell us and we will correct. Nobody is perfect. This info on retirement visas and extensions was checked by 3 different people doing them for years before we posted it.
BTW, for work permits, EVEN EXTENSIONS OR WORK PERMITS, they changed last year and do required a health certificate at each renewal now. Before there was a form, then they changed and no form, then, back to a form but you can use another one? Well...I don't ask why!
Other small legal news:
Social security was lowered from 5% to 3 percent until July, then 4% until end of the year 2012. This is the contribution of employer AND employee.
Usufruct seems to be complicated to registered in some small land departments. For the first time, we had a problem near Khon Kaen 2 months ago and another one near Surin about 1 month ago. Never seen that before. We solved one problem. Working on the second.
Thailawonline has now a Facebook page. You can ask us question there if you wish or in the legal section of 0. I normally answer in less than 24 hours.
S.
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question Re Retirement visa.
My 90days arew up 0n Feb 29 but my visa is up on 29th March
Will I get a further 90days or will they just allow me until visa runs out
David 'Chokchai'
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You will get 90 days when you re-enter Thailand (assuming you are referring to a Non-Immigrant O visa).
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Thanks for reply.
I have a retirment visa which is up on 29th March but my 90 days are up on 29th Feb. I am not leaving the country
The question is...........When I go for an extension will I get another 90 days taking me passed the visa date or will they just give until the visa is up?
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Hi Chokchai - Can you clarify exactly what you have.
There is no such thing as a retirement visa.
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I am now confussed! Easy to do these days.
The visa in my passport says retirement and was valid for 1 year up to 29 March. I reported every 90 days to immigration for a 90 day extension. I have to report again 29 Feb but the visa I have expires 29 Mar,
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Yhe penny has dropped!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I go on the 29 feb I will get another 90 days but I will have to extend my visa on the 29 March
The light follows the dark thankfully
Thanks for answers
David AKA Chokchai
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Hi David - is your original visa from England ?
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Yhe penny has dropped!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I go on the 29 feb I will get another 90 days but I will have to extend my visa on the 29 March
The light follows the dark thankfully
Thanks for answers
David AKA Chokchai
When you do your 90 day report you can go 2 weeks before or up to 7 days after the date on your TM47 slip that is stapled to your passport [ you say 29/02/2012 ].If you go to Korat on the 5/6/03/2012 you can then do your 90 day report and submit your paperwork for your next years extension [which you say is due on the 29/03/2012] .You can submit your paperwork up 4 weeks before its due to be renewed. But going on the 6th you will save yourself an extra trip to Korat .After you have stayed in Thailand a few years sometimes the 90 day reports do not coincide with the dates you need to go to Korat to renew your extension,all you have to remember is you can only stay in Thailand up to the day of your extension stamp in your passport and not the date on your TM47 slip !!
Hope this helps
EVB :)
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Yhe penny has dropped!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I go on the 29 feb I will get another 90 days but I will have to extend my visa on the 29 March
The light follows the dark thankfully
Thanks for answers
David AKA Chokchai
When you do your 90 day report you can go 2 weeks before or up to 7 days after the date on your TM47 slip that is stapled to your passport [ you say 29/02/2012 ].If you go to Korat on the 5/6/03/2012 you can then do your 90 day report and submit your paperwork for your next years extension [which you say is due on the 29/03/2012] .You can submit your paperwork up 4 weeks before its due to be renewed. But going on the 6th you will save yourself an extra trip to Korat .After you have stayed in Thailand a few years sometimes the 90 day reports do not coincide with the dates you need to go to Korat to renew your extension,all you have to remember is you can only stay in Thailand up to the day of your extension stamp in your passport and not the date on your TM47 slip !!
Hope this helps
EVB :)
Buff
is it not 7 days before and 7 days after, for the reporting of TM47's( they are computerised now so no form is needed at Korat or Chon Chom)
is it not 30 days before expiry/renewal?
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Buff
is it not 7 days before and 7 days after, for the reporting of TM47's( they are computerised now so no form is needed at Korat or Chon Chom)
is it not 30 days before expiry/renewal?
WEll I've just renewed my extension based on married and did my 90 day report at the same time[ 27 days before my extension expired ] .I still had to fill in a TM47 form and have the slip stapled to my passport.The rules are for 90 day reporting is 14 days before and up to 7 days after.For renewal of extensions it is up to 30 days [ so you are correct noddy ] but I always say 28 days to be on the safe side. :)
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WEll I've just renewed my extension based on married and did my 90 day report at the same time[ 27 days before my extension expired ] .I still had to fill in a TM47 form and have the slip stapled to my passport.The rules are for 90 day reporting is 14 days before and up to 7 days after.For renewal of extensions it is up to 30 days [ so you are correct noddy ] but I always say 28 days to be on the safe side. :)
http://www.imm.police.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=90days
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WEll I've just renewed my extension based on married and did my 90 day report at the same time[ 27 days before my extension expired ] .I still had to fill in a TM47 form and have the slip stapled to my passport.The rules are for 90 day reporting is 14 days before and up to 7 days after.For renewal of extensions it is up to 30 days [ so you are correct noddy ] but I always say 28 days to be on the safe side. :)
http://www.imm.police.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=90days
That site contains Malware ,is this a joke post ???
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WEll I've just renewed my extension based on married and did my 90 day report at the same time[ 27 days before my extension expired ] .I still had to fill in a TM47 form and have the slip stapled to my passport.The rules are for 90 day reporting is 14 days before and up to 7 days after.For renewal of extensions it is up to 30 days [ so you are correct noddy ] but I always say 28 days to be on the safe side. :)
http://www.imm.police.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=90days
That site contains Malware ,is this a joke post ???
Not at all, its the OFFICIAL THAI IMMIGRATION POLICE SITE that says the following about TM47
The foreigner makes the notification in person, or
The foreigner authorises another person to make the notification, or
The foreigner makes the notification by registered mail.
The notification must be made within 7 days before or after the period of 90 days expires.
The first application for extension of stay by the foreigner is equivalent to the notification of staying in the Kingdom over 90 days.
I am just trying to help others, thats all
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WEll I've just renewed my extension based on married and did my 90 day report at the same time[ 27 days before my extension expired ] .I still had to fill in a TM47 form and have the slip stapled to my passport.The rules are for 90 day reporting is 14 days before and up to 7 days after.For renewal of extensions it is up to 30 days [ so you are correct noddy ] but I always say 28 days to be on the safe side. :)
http://www.imm.police.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=90days
That site contains Malware ,is this a joke post ???
Not at all, its the OFFICIAL THAI IMMIGRATION POLICE SITE that says the following about TM47
The foreigner makes the notification in person, or
The foreigner authorises another person to make the notification, or
The foreigner makes the notification by registered mail.
The notification must be made within 7 days before or after the period of 90 days expires.
The first application for extension of stay by the foreigner is equivalent to the notification of staying in the Kingdom over 90 days.
I am just trying to help others, thats all
According to Lite Beer[admin on Thaivisa ] you can--- quote-- You have a 90 day report date. they allow you to do it anytime from 15 days early to 7 days after.
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/524652-90-day-address-reporting-unfairness/
I went 14 days before last year as I was on Holiday in Northern Thailand when my 90 day report was due. It's so easy to pull something off the internet to make your point but sometimes the information is wrong .As you well know not all Immigration Offices are the same,if your not sure it's always best to phone the local office and check with them first. :)
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The Thai Immigration website I saw quoted this:-
The foreigner makes the notification in person, or
The foreigner authorises another person to make the notification, or
The foreigner makes the notification by registered mail.
The notification must be made within 15 days before or 7 days after the period of 90 days expires.
The first application for extension of stay by the foreigner is equivalent to the notification of staying in the Kingdom over 90 days.
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The Thai Immigration website I saw quoted this:-
Was it this one Coffeecorner :biggrin: --- http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=90days
I'm sure some people just like to be argumentative smilenod
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The Thai Immigration website I saw quoted this:-
Was it this one Coffeecorner :biggrin: --- http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=90days
I'm sure some people just like to be argumentative smilenod
Indeed it is that one. However, the pinned section on Thai Visa (Note 13) is still quoting an old Bangkok Immigration announcement referring to 7 Days/7 Days so I can understand the confusion.
Several posters here have got it wrong - only merijn being right:-
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/531093-can-i-be-late-for-my-90-day-reporting/page__pid__5030547#entry5030547