Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ted on December 25, 2011, 08:59:50 AM
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I'm not talking of the Van Gogh or Picasso variety.
I refer to the everyday structural painting that [in theory] improves and beatifies.
What is it with these folks? Less, the everyday slackers [like you and me] have little common knowledge in which to perform a simple task like slapping on a little paint on a structure without heed to the mess that comes by them naturally. Nothing to catch the drops, spray, etc - no conscious as to clean up such spills as they occur - and seemingly everything around but the object at hand....
I certainly could excuse the average person [not really], but the same lack of quality attributes apply to so-called painting professionals. They don't seem to see the errors in their practice....
When in doubt, paint it yourself.
Must be in the water.
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I refer to the everyday structural painting that [in theory] improves and beatifies.
Are these papal painters or is it just Catholic gloss ?
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The Thai guy I had painting my house was spot on ,no drips,his cutting in was like a F1 racing driver and he put down dust-sheets( That I supplied ).The only problem was he was colour blind and kept paint the walls and rooms the wrong colour steamingMad
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The Thai guy I had painting my house was spot on ,no drips,his cutting in was like a F1 racing driver and he put down dust-sheets( That I supplied ).
Would this gentlemen be available for tutelage?
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The Thai guy I had painting my house was spot on ,no drips,his cutting in was like a F1 racing driver and he put down dust-sheets( That I supplied ).
Would this gentlemen be available for tutelage?
On single coloured projects,its a possibility :laugh:
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The two guys that painted my house were spot on too. 2 and a half days to do a job I thought would take about 5. Great job, no mess, cutting in around windows and doors perfect. All for 3000baht between them. I supplied the paint they brought their own brushes and rollers.
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The two guys that painted my house were spot on too. 2 and a half days to do a job I thought would take about 5. Great job, no mess, cutting in around windows and doors perfect. All for 3000baht between them. I supplied the paint they brought their own brushes and rollers.
Ahh! There is hope, yet! pray1
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The two guys that painted my house were spot on too. 2 and a half days to do a job I thought would take about 5. Great job, no mess, cutting in around windows and doors perfect. All for 3000baht between them. I supplied the paint they brought their own brushes and rollers.
That works out at 600bt/day per man. Double or more the going village rate!
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The two guys that painted my house were spot on too. 2 and a half days to do a job I thought would take about 5. Great job, no mess, cutting in around windows and doors perfect. All for 3000baht between them. I supplied the paint they brought their own brushes and rollers.
That works out at 600bt/day per man. Double or more the going village rate!
That's quite a fair daily wage, dontcha think? thumbup
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I think you should pay quality to receive quality. Is 600 baht a day too much for very good work? I don't think so, I gladly pay more than the "average daily village wage" for better than the average quality work. It's not like you're paying this wage amount every day, seven days a week, but rather you are paying for a few days good labor for a job well done. Just me, but why not? $20/day???? my, my, my!
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What is the average village daily wage?
Might vary from locale to employer.
Average.
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I think you should pay quality to receive quality. Is 600 baht a day too much for very good work? I don't think so, I gladly pay more than the "average daily village wage" for better than the average quality work. It's not like you're paying this wage amount every day, seven days a week, but rather you are paying for a few days good labor for a job well done. Just me, but why not? $20/day???? my, my, my!
But do you know in advance that you will get better than average quality work?
My experience of employing locals is that they are jack of all trades but experts in none.
A so called "professional painter", I employed for 1 day, who was employed to paint new houses being built on a Bangkok estate, not only had no brushes or rollers, but refused to use the roller tray I provided (never seen one before) preferring to dip the roller straight into the paint bucket. Needless to say there was paint everywhere.
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What is the average village daily wage?
Might vary from locale to employer.
Average.
In my locale I would suggest 200/250bt for unskilled work and 250/300bt for skilled. Higher rates apply in Bangkok.
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I think you should pay quality to receive quality. Is 600 baht a day too much for very good work? I don't think so, I gladly pay more than the "average daily village wage" for better than the average quality work. It's not like you're paying this wage amount every day, seven days a week, but rather you are paying for a few days good labor for a job well done. Just me, but why not? $20/day???? my, my, my!
But do you know in advance that you will get better than average quality work?
My experience of employing locals is that they are jack of all trades but experts in none.
A so called "professional painter", I employed for 1 day, who was employed to paint new houses being built on a Bangkok estate, not only had no brushes or rollers, but refused to use the roller tray I provided (never seen one before) preferring to dip the roller straight into the paint bucket. Needless to say there was paint everywhere.
Many will not work for a farang as they know of our high expectations and lack of speaking Thai. Probably best to keep the daily rate to a reasonable level and give a tip at the end of the job if its worthy of it.
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On the contrary Nobby.
In my experience they areI think you should pay quality to receive quality. Is 600 baht a day too much for very good work? I don't think so, I gladly pay more than the "average daily village wage" for better than the average quality work. It's not like you're paying this wage amount every day, seven days a week, but rather you are paying for a few days good labor for a job well done. Just me, but why not? $20/day???? my, my, my!
But do you know in advance that you will get better than average quality work?
My experience of employing locals is that they are jack of all trades but experts in none.
A so called "professional painter", I employed for 1 day, who was employed to paint new houses being built on a Bangkok estate, not only had no brushes or rollers, but refused to use the roller tray I provided (never seen one before) preferring to dip the roller straight into the paint bucket. Needless to say there was paint everywhere.
Many will not work for a farang as they know of our high expectations and lack of speaking Thai. Probably best to keep the daily rate to a reasonable level and give a tip at the end of the job if its worthy of it.
On the contrary Nobby
Most are more than happy to work for a farang in the knowledge that they will receive immediate payment when finished, rather than being told to wait till the end of the month as usually happens when working for Thais.!
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Nick
I don't disagree with you, but I also have dealt with our local "experts" to the extent that I know who is capable of what. When we have needed painting done, and please understand that I would rather do it myself than have the local guy do it, my lovely wife over-rules me and we have one of our previously successful painters do it, instead of me.
These guys have done, and will continue to do, excellent work for us. Yes, they are "jack of all", but who in the Thai villages isn't?.
We've been very lucky. I had the experience of new construction and remodeling work in the US for more than 30 years, and was fortunate to be able to see how Thai construction is done while our house was being built here in Thailand. Can I change it? Do I want to?
No...
But, If you want something done right and you know what right is, then give them a chance to do it right. They can and they will do a fine job for you, if given the chance.
I do know what you are saying, there are many folks that do more than what they should and more than what they know, but it only took us about 1000 years and they have been at it for more than 3000 years.
Yes?
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But do you know in advance that you will get better than average quality work?
My experience of employing locals is that they are jack of all trades but experts in none.
A so called "professional painter", I employed for 1 day, who was employed to paint new houses being built on a Bangkok estate, not only had no brushes or rollers, but refused to use the roller tray I provided (never seen one before) preferring to dip the roller straight into the paint bucket. Needless to say there was paint everywhere.
I'm guessing you had to bring to his attention the proposed clean-up? I'm sure this "professional" would have passed it buy without a thought.....that's how they do things. Drives me completely bonkers.
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Instructional Video's are now available for the locals :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hNkUyQaXwE
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I had to laugh when I saw this post, having just gone through the ordeal myself. Ordeal, because my lady's daughter and husband leapt at the chance when they saw that I had bought paint and brushes, and as they were family I couldn't stop them. (I sat at the computer begging her to stop them... ' cannot, they want help..'.) So I will have finished cleaning the last widow pane, and painting over the last drops of stray paint of the walls, some time soon. I hid the brushes when we went to Kanchanaburi.
I don't want to go into the fact that they then bought tiles ('because they weren't expensive') that were pink. Any full blooded Englishman will tell you that only poofters have pink tiles... I also wanted cool colours...and laid them. As I say, I won't go into that. They didn't have enough so they finished off with a few blue ones...God bless my wife's family, I love them, I also have a sense of humour...
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I don't want to go into the fact that they then bought tiles ('because they weren't expensive') that were pink. Any full blooded Englishman will tell you that only poofters have pink tiles...
What makes you think that ???
Here's a picture of my bathroom,I think it looks quite macho :P
BTW ...my boyfriend chose the colour :laugh:
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certainly looks better than my bathroom. I was brought up being told that pink is sissy. Apart from that I really didn't want 'warm' colours in a place like Thailand. I shall be looking at these tiles for the next twenty years or so saying to myself 'stay cool, go with the flow' ...