Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => Real Estate, housing, house and land ownership => Topic started by: ironryon on October 15, 2011, 07:05:07 PM
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Hello again buriram people
Using advice given a while ago I now have water being supplied from 42 metres under my house!!
This water is being pumped into our 2000ltr blue plastic storage tank.
I have a pump which takes the water from the tank into the house when a tap or appliance calls on it.
This pump I'm afraid is now on it's last legs and I'm not sure what to do for the best...
I've been advised by the guys that installed the well pump that I should not need a new pump or any pump at all if I just raise the height of the storage tank enough for gravity to do all the work.
I'm unsure whether this pressure will be enough for the shower etc
Could anyone advise me on what's best to do?????
Thank you kindly
Jamie
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Hi Jamie
I need to understand a little better before I can suggest anything. You now have two pumps, is this correct? One pump brings water from the well to the blue storage tank, and a second pump takes water to the house for showers, etc.
Which pump is now failing? If it is the one that brings water from the well to the storage tank, replace it...not "usually" a big project. If it is the one that takes water from the blue storage tank to the house then perhaps raising the height of the tank will suffice with enough pressure for showers, etc. How high is this storage tank now? Or, you can replace that pump as well, again not a big project "usually".
Need a little better information about exactly what the problem is.
Thanks!
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An even more basic question - why do you need the storage tank ?
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An even more basic question - why do you need the storage tank ?
Well pumps like to run continuously for a while ( not on and off like a pressure pump) ,its best to have a tank to store your water.When the tank is half empty you have a float switch to fill it up from the well.
Then you can have 2 options
#1 Like mario, have a raised tank and let gravity supply your water ( I think tanks up in the air are ugly but are simple with no working parts to fail) Plus you still have water in a power cut but pressure is only as good as the height you have your tank off the ground .
#2 Have a pressure pump on your tank so when you open a tap the water is supplied under pressure from the pump.
Pressure pumps have a life of about 5-8 years or longer ( if your lucky) ,well pumps are about the same ( I have found ) Both are about 5k ( depending on make and model ) and are easy to replace. :)
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This site explains water options ,tanks and pumps in more detail cool1
http://www.coolthaihouse.com/origCTH/infowater.htm
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Helpful as always Red Jet - thanks.
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Hi
Thanks for all the feedback! :)
My tank base is approx 1.5m off the ground with what I guess maybe a pressure pump taking the water into the house. The pump activates when a tap etc is turned on.
My wife arranged to have this fitted so I don't know exactly what type it is.
Is there any way of telling this for when I may be buying a replacement?
The well fitters said I may as well raise the height of the tank instead of buying a new pump. I don't like the tank in the garden as it is an I'm concerned that a tank tower will be more of an eye sore...however...
I I'm not sure if I should raise the tank, get a new pump or both.
If I had both would I still have flow from the tank if the pump is ever out of action?
In the link provided it mentions that plastic tanks arent as good as stainless steel versions. My tank is approx. 8 months old..is it worth keeping it for a while longer?
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An even more basic question - why do you need the storage tank ?
Well pumps like to run continuously for a while ( not on and off like a pressure pump) ,its best to have a tank to store your water.
Who told you that Red Jet?
In my opinion and that of my deep well installer -totally unnecessary. I've had my 44 metre deep well and pump for 6 years now directly feeding the taps etc, with no problem!
Even the writer on cool Thai House says it's an opinion only.
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An even more basic question - why do you need the storage tank ?
Well pumps like to run continuously for a while ( not on and off like a pressure pump) ,its best to have a tank to store your water.
Who told you that Red Jet?
In my opinion and that of my deep well installer -totally unnecessary. I've had my 44 metre deep well and pump for 6 years now directly feeding the taps etc, with no problem!
Even the writer on cool Thai House says it's an opinion only.
Maybe I didn't explain myself correctly.There are 2 types of well pump
1# Submersible Pump,these are pumps that are fitted in-line under ground and push the water to the surface
2# Jet pumps ( pressure pumps like yours Nick ) sit on the surface and use suction to bring the water to the suface with the aid of added pressure from the pump
When I said Well pumps like to run continuously for a while ( not on and off like a pressure pump) I was talking about Submersible water pumps and not pressure ( Jet ) pumps as you have Nick ....but this is just an opinion Nick :P
Here is a site that explains the 2 types of well pumps..click here (http://www.envisupply.com/pumps/water_well_pumping.htm)
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In my opinion and that of my deep well installer -totally unnecessary. I've had my 44 metre deep well and pump for 6 years now directly feeding the taps etc, with no problem!
I have a jet pump and a storage water tank with another pressure pump that pumps the water into the house.Last month my well pump packed up and needed servicing but as I had a water tank I still had water for 2 days whist the well pump was being fixed.If it wasn't for the water tank I would have been without water whist waiting for the well pump to be fixed.One of the advantages of not having the reliance on just the well pump as you do Nick .If my pressure pump packs up I can turn a valve and get water straight from the well pump......ingenious hey Nick cool1
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Ingenious indeed red jet - but the cost for a water tank and a pump must be taken into consideration when considering whether to have the added assurance or go without. Everything in life comes with a price!
Whether you have 1 pump or 2, what happens when you have a power cut? I always keep a couple of "ongs" full of water for such emergencies.
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Ingenious indeed red jet - but the cost for a water tank and a pump must be taken into consideration when considering whether to have the added assurance or go without. Everything in life comes with a price!
Whether you have 1 pump or 2, what happens when you have a power cut? I always keep a couple of "ongs" full of water for such emergencies.
"Ongs" are a Kok Ma unit of measurement - chai mai ?
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I use the same installation as Red Jet but after it was installed I thought it had been better if we installed the tank A few meters above the ground on a platform so we would still have waterpressure during a powercuts. The platform would cost extra but you save money on the second pump.
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Ingenious indeed red jet - but the cost for a water tank and a pump must be taken into consideration when considering whether to have the added assurance or go without. Everything in life comes with a price!
Whether you have 1 pump or 2, what happens when you have a power cut? I always keep a couple of "ongs" full of water for such emergencies.
Our Village has just had Government Water pipe-line installed with water from the Village pond.A new valve and pipework will soon be installed just for when we are without power. cool1
In my opinion and that of my deep well installer -totally unnecessary
I assume he is Thai then Nick :laugh:
Ingenious indeed red jet - but the cost for a water tank and a pump must be taken into consideration when considering whether to have the added assurance or go without. Everything in life comes with a price!
Assurance like insurance always costs...... as you well know Nick smilenod
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Ingenious indeed red jet - but the cost for a water tank and a pump must be taken into consideration when considering whether to have the added assurance or go without. Everything in life comes with a price!
Whether you have 1 pump or 2, what happens when you have a power cut? I always keep a couple of "ongs" full of water for such emergencies.
"Ongs" are a Kok Ma unit of measurement - chai mai ?
Not at all CoCo.
I said I keep my "ongs" full of water, therefore implying they were storage vessels, and not measurement aids!
An 'ong' is the name given to 250litre capacity earthenware jars by the local Thais.
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Man of a few words in your last post Nick !
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In my opinion and that of my deep well installer -totally unnecessary
I assume he is Thai then Nick :laugh:
He is indeed Thai! Would you expect a foreigner to dig deep wells in Thailand?
I was happy to accept his opinion at the time (after many years of well digging) and have had no reason to question his recommendation over the years.
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Ingenious indeed red jet - but the cost for a water tank and a pump must be taken into consideration when considering whether to have the added assurance or go without. Everything in life comes with a price!
Whether you have 1 pump or 2, what happens when you have a power cut? I always keep a couple of "ongs" full of water for such emergencies.
"Ongs" are a Kok Ma unit of measurement - chai mai ?
Not at all CoCo.
I said I keep my "ongs" full of water, therefore implying they were storage vessels, and not measurement aids!
An 'ong' is the name given to 250litre capacity earthenware jars by the local Thais.
So one 'ong' is 250 litres biggreen
How long can you store water in an 'ong' - does it become stale after a time ?
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Ingenious indeed red jet - but the cost for a water tank and a pump must be taken into consideration when considering whether to have the added assurance or go without. Everything in life comes with a price!
Whether you have 1 pump or 2, what happens when you have a power cut? I always keep a couple of "ongs" full of water for such emergencies.
"Ongs" are a Kok Ma unit of measurement - chai mai ?
Not at all CoCo.
I said I keep my "ongs" full of water, therefore implying they were storage vessels, and not measurement aids!
An 'ong' is the name given to 250litre capacity earthenware jars by the local Thais.
So one 'ong' is 250 litres biggreen
How long can you store water in an 'ong' - does it become stale after a time ?
No CoCo.
An ONG is NOT a unit of measurement.
An ONG holds approx 250 litres (I believe you can buy even bigger ones -although they nay have another name)
The Thais generally use them to collect rainwater, which supplies them with drinking water throughout the year. What it tastes like after 6,9 or even 12 months I have no idea. Perhaps you would care to experiment and report back.
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Large jars (in Thailand called klong jars) are ideal vessels for water storage. Strong and sturdy, they are not likely to overturn and spill the contents. The density also helps to keep liquids cool, and the thick round mouth rim enables the jar to be sealed with a cover (made of aluminum or wood) for protection from insects and dusts. As many as ten or twenty large storage jars may be placed around a typical house in rural Southeast Asia. Some jars are used to collect rainwater for drinking. Others, filled from the nearest natural water source, such as a river or tributary, are used for cooking and washing.
The locals (at least in my area) abbreviate the name to ONG.
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Large jars (in Thailand called klong jars) are ideal vessels for water storage. Strong and sturdy, they are not likely to overturn and spill the contents. The density also helps to keep liquids cool, and the thick round mouth rim enables the jar to be sealed with a cover (made of aluminum or wood) for protection from insects and dusts. As many as ten or twenty large storage jars may be placed around a typical house in rural Southeast Asia. Some jars are used to collect rainwater for drinking. Others, filled from the nearest natural water source, such as a river or tributary, are used for cooking and washing.
The locals (at least in my area) abbreviate the name to ONG.
The locals in your area have webbed feet through inter-breeding !! whistle
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Large jars (in Thailand called klong jars) are ideal vessels for water storage. Strong and sturdy, they are not likely to overturn and spill the contents. The density also helps to keep liquids cool, and the thick round mouth rim enables the jar to be sealed with a cover (made of aluminum or wood) for protection from insects and dusts. As many as ten or twenty large storage jars may be placed around a typical house in rural Southeast Asia. Some jars are used to collect rainwater for drinking. Others, filled from the nearest natural water source, such as a river or tributary, are used for cooking and washing.
The locals (at least in my area) abbreviate the name to ONG.
The locals in your area have webbed feet through inter-breeding !! whistle
COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC
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Large jars (in Thailand called klong jars) are ideal vessels for water storage. Strong and sturdy, they are not likely to overturn and spill the contents. The density also helps to keep liquids cool, and the thick round mouth rim enables the jar to be sealed with a cover (made of aluminum or wood) for protection from insects and dusts. As many as ten or twenty large storage jars may be placed around a typical house in rural Southeast Asia. Some jars are used to collect rainwater for drinking. Others, filled from the nearest natural water source, such as a river or tributary, are used for cooking and washing.
The locals (at least in my area) abbreviate the name to ONG.
The locals in your area have webbed feet through inter-breeding !! whistle
COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC
Not if the inter-breds are going around influencing your bastardisation of the language.
Next, you will be coming up with phrases like "Mi Loo" instead of the Thai norm of mai roo !!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi
Thanks for all the feedback! :)
My tank base is approx 1.5m off the ground with what I guess maybe a pressure pump taking the water into the house. The pump activates when a tap etc is turned on.
My wife arranged to have this fitted so I don't know exactly what type it is.
Is there any way of telling this for when I may be buying a replacement?
The well fitters said I may as well raise the height of the tank instead of buying a new pump. I don't like the tank in the garden as it is an I'm concerned that a tank tower will be more of an eye sore...however...
I I'm not sure if I should raise the tank, get a new pump or both.
If I had both would I still have flow from the tank if the pump is ever out of action?
In the link provided it mentions that plastic tanks arent as good as stainless steel versions. My tank is approx. 8 months old..is it worth keeping it for a while longer?
And now back on topic, if only briefly...
Jamie, you should be able to find a tag on the pump that tells everything you need in order to replace it with the same type, if not the exact same pump. As the previous discussions have noted, you can decide to raise your blue tank to be operable in case of loss of power, gravity should be enough if you raise it high enough, but I agree with the eyesore opinion.
As to why you would want a storage tank in the first place, we get water piped from a reservoir to our storage tank, but it first goes through a filter before it goes into the tank. With your well water you probably have a lot of mineral deposits in your water than can be filtered before it goes to your house if you go through the storage tank first. You can even put a filter before the storage tank and after the storage tank to help eliminate the corrosion,etc. you get from the well water.
Regarding the blue plastic tanks, we had one initially and used it for a couple of years, but it became completely coated on the inside walls with the fungus (?) or whatever is in the water. We have since gone to stainless steel tanks for water storage and I like them much better, they stay a lot cleaner.
Good luck, hope this helps. Oh yes, and the ong jars mentioned are great for keeping rain water to use for the garden watering, we have several of them as well.
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The Thais generally use them to collect rainwater, which supplies them with drinking water throughout the year. What it tastes like after 6,9 or even 12 months I have no idea. Perhaps you would care to experiment and report back.
I drink water from these all the time ,even when its nearly a year old ,it has never done me any harm.If you don't believe me ask SDK or Manupete :laugh:
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I think CoCo must have recently changed his medications. Some recent postings have been unnecessarily venomous. Let's have a little bit more "bagwan" shall we CoCo!
If the up market, hi-so population of Prakhonchai wish to call the storage jars by some other name than the local village folk (whether having webbed feet or not), then that is their entitlement. I was merely passing along information as I have come to learn.
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I think CoCo must have recently changed his medications. Some recent postings have been unnecessarily venomous. Let's have a little bit more "bagwan" shall we CoCo!
If the up market, hi-so population of Prakhonchai wish to call the storage jars by some other name than the local village folk (whether having webbed feet or not), then that is their entitlement. I was merely passing along information as I have come to learn.
Take no notice of him Nick,CoCo probably had a failed attempt at a jump this-morning :biggrin:
BTW.... I use one of these 'Ongs' as my water tank,at 700 Baht and 150 Baht for the galvanized lid ...a bargain and does the job.I did get the guy who makes them to fit a 1 1/2" outlet for suppling the pressure pump though and they can be painted to what ever colour you like once they have seasoned :biggrin:
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I think CoCo must have recently changed his medications. Some recent postings have been unnecessarily venomous. Let's have a little bit more "bagwan" shall we CoCo!
If the up market, hi-so population of Prakhonchai wish to call the storage jars by some other name than the local village folk (whether having webbed feet or not), then that is their entitlement. I was merely passing along information as I have come to learn.
Nothing venomous -- just adopting the Nookiebear style of posting for a while - poke and step back !
I can also assure boloa that there was nothing unsuccessful about this mornings 'jump start' smilenod
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It is most unbecoming of a former bank manager, CoCo. Be your own man!
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I drink water from these all the time ,even when its nearly a year old ,it has never done me any harm.If you don't believe me ask SDK or Manupete :laugh:
That explains much Red Jet! Thank you for your excellent input and detail to the concerns of the op
Your reference to others suggests you are in "close" contact with them. They, like yourself, were always very obliging with information.
Manupete's posts are sorely missed on this forum by many, and I feel if he were around today, the Shoutbox would be a far more pleasant read than what it has become over the past months
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I can also assure boloa that there was nothing unsuccessful about this mornings 'jump start' smilenod
Looked at your map CC but I couldn't see any damp patches around Prakhonchai area,very wet for me though this morning :biggrin:
I wonder if Nookiebear is have a Ham Shank and pee soup special today :biggrin:
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I also drink mostly stored rainwater when at home, perfectly good water and FREE moneysmile
We have about 30 of the large pots around the house, this lasts most of the year, though in the dry season we sometimes get someone to fill them from a local well.
Never paid a penny for any water in Thailand (apart from the above), I'm glad I don't live in the city with the "Government water"
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Nok woke me up this mornoing " Honey ,no have water " love6
I go out to the water tank and the pressure pump is red hot.With all this rain we've had the damp must have shorted the pump and burnt the motor out....Bugger :(
Turned a valve and now the water is coming direct from the well pump,sorted thumbup
We both jump in the shower and then back to bed for an hour or so icon_heart
Then got up and took the pump to be fixed,one benefit of having 2 pumps Nick .you never have to panic :P
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Nok woke me up this mornoing " Honey ,no have water " love6
I go out to the water tank and the pressure pump is red hot.With all this rain we've had the damp must have shorted the pump and burnt the motor out....Bugger :(
Turned a valve and now the water is coming direct from the well pump,sorted thumbup
We both jump in the shower and then back to bed for an hour or so icon_heart
Then got up and took the pump to be fixed,one benefit of having 2 pumps Nick .you never have to panic :P
Nick, it looks like SDK's Nok is being knocked up by a neighbour !!
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Perhaps Nok has 2 farang husbands!
Maybe she has a "chester drawers" full of farangs!
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Perhaps Nok has 2 farang husbands!
Maybe she has a "chester drawers" full of farangs!
I bet she's one of those 49% :blink:
I won't draw any more money out for her then nono
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Hi
We also have ong jars but I've never dared to drink from one yet
After several bouts of stomach upsets I try to avoid another an I'm sure the water in ong jars aren't farang friendly lol
Ive decided with th advice given to go with my tank on the ground and to replace the pump.
Also it seems that the steel tanks are best too so in the next year I'll replace the blue plastic one I have an also get a filter system.
When I replace the tank I would like to move it away from the house next to th well pump in the corner of the garden however this will mean a more powerful replacement pump to push the water the extra distance...
Is there anyone around prakhonchai that can advise on the right pump/setup ??
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Does this person have to speak English to you, or can a Thai do this for you?