Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: rufusredtail on June 12, 2011, 06:54:32 AM
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Hello all , my question to you all , from those that have lived in Thailand for some time and come from another country, if you could change any 1 custom ,belief, laws, anything at all , what would you change for the better of Thailand.
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For the better of Thailand and it's people the list is endless!
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If you want to CHANGE something don't come to live in Thailand.
You are a foreigner here and need to adjust to the rules of the country and their culture.
If you like it and can do it. Welcome. :)
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Admin - Rufus Redtail asked what would be good for Thailand - not for us! I agree with you regarding foreigners living here (in the main at least!) But there are many improvements that could be made that would better the life for the Thais
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Admin - Rufus Redtail asked what would be good for Thailand - not for us! I agree with you regarding foreigners living here (in the main at least!) But there are many improvements that could be made that would better the life for the Thais
OK, my point was that we have no right to tell Thais how and what to improve, we are not citizens here and have no rights to judge the hosting country.
The question for itself is not correct, not interesting and the answers will probably be inappropriate (same in the other topic that has been deleted, same OP by the way....).
What's wrong? start again with this saga, corruption, prostitution, drugs, crime, theft, etc etc etc...
OK. now learn how to live with it.
sawadi
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If things don't change, the wheel would still be square.
Somebody had to say to the Neanderthal "Why don't you try making that round and see if it goes any better".
I think we have every right to contribute to the Thai's development. The secret is not in 'telling' them what to do, but encouraging them to consider an alternative - if they embrace an idea - fine. If they discard an idea - fine.
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i really dont want to upset admin , i dont live in thailand , its only a question , you can answer how ever , its not for all the bad things to come out , may be some good things to do .
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even if you could you would not be allowed so as said before if not happy here go where you come from it will I am sure be no better. At least here we have some freedom and flexibility.
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even if you could you would not be allowed so as said before if not happy here go where you come from it will I am sure be no better. At least here we have some freedom and flexibility.
WOW, nice sentence bravo1
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One thing that would be very good for the farangcommunity and eventually also very beneficial for the thai community would be the right to do some work here without the need of a workpermit. For instance to run a small pub and/or restaurant, so thai people could see how the foreingers work and how the foreign customers like to be served and adressed to, so they can copy it the proper way.
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Admin - Rufus Redtail asked what would be good for Thailand - not for us! I agree with you regarding foreigners living here (in the main at least!) But there are many improvements that could be made that would better the life for the Thais
OK, my point was that we have no right to tell Thais how and what to improve, we are not citizens here and have no rights to judge the hosting country.
The question for itself is not correct, not interesting and the answers will probably be inappropriate (same in the other topic that has been deleted, same OP by the way....).
What's wrong? start again with this saga, corruption, prostitution, drugs, crime, theft, etc etc etc...
OK. now learn how to live with it.
sawadi
First, I accept that we, as paying guests, have to learn to live the good, the bad and the ugly. This is true of Thailand - and any other country in the world.
The OP was looking for suggested changes that would benefit Thailand. The danger is that we look at that from a Western perspective i.e. what WE would like to see changed that would benefit Farangs. If we look at the question from the angle of changes that would benefit THAIS, we are less likely to fall in the trap of being critical.
Road safety is one of the big ones for me. Thais would surely benefit from better road safety that results from better training, education and adhering to traffic laws. Just one example - persistently driving in the outside line. It is already an offence to do this but it does not stop many Thais from poodling along in the outside lane. Perhaps penalties should be greater or, at least, rigidly enforced to act as a deterrent. Better driver training and ongoing education would help to reinforce the message.
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Over the years Thailand had introduced many laws, most copied from English law. Traffic law is only spasmodically enforced, and with such paltry fines, practically nobody obeys them. There are laws against gambling, which if enforced would ensure a better lifestyle for all families that have one or more gambler in their midst.
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Road Safety will always be limited in Thailand because it has not signed up to the UN/WHO directives which allows external foreign companies to monitor and audit. It also does not adhere to internationally recognised standards (UN/WHO) as an example anyone who dies within 30 days of an RTA is recognised as an RTA death but Thailand does not accept this (one of the very few countries in the world) and only records deaths within 24 hours!
The successful formula for Road Safety was devised in the UK, the world leader in Road Safety (along with Scandanavia, Germany and Holland), the formula being the 3 'E's, Education, Engineering and Enforcement. All 3 must work in balance constructively with each other, any imbalance in it's inefective!
You will note Thailand is not in the league as it failed to adhere! Cambodia is...next to the USA!
he rate of road deaths per 100,000 population is a means of comparing road death levels among countries by taking into account their different sizes in population. It is also a measure of the public health risk associated with road trauma.
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........Rate
01 -- 3.8 - UK
02 -- 3.9 - Sweden
03 -- 3.9 - Netherlands
04 -- 4.2 - Israel
05 -- 4.4 - Norway
06 -- 4.5 - Switzerland
07 -- 4.5 - Japan
08 -- 5.1 - Germany
09 -- 5.3 - Iceland
10 -- 5.3 - Finland
11 -- 5.4 - Ireland
12 -- 5.5 - Denmark
13 -- 5.9 - Spain
14 -- 6.3 - Canada*
15 -- 6.8 - France*
16 -- 6.9 - Australia
17 -- 7.2 - Luxemburg*
18 -- 7.6 - Austria
19 -- 7.9 - Italy*
20 -- 7.9 - Portugal
21 -- 8.2 - Hungary
22 -- 8.4 - Slovenia
23 -- 8.6 - Czech Republic
24 -- 8.9 - Belgium*
25 -- 8.9 - New Zealand
26- 11.0 - Lithuania*
27- 12.0 - Poland
28- 12.0 - Korea*
29- 12.1 - USA
30- 12.6 - Cambodia*
31- 13.8 - Greece**
32- 18.4 - Argentina
33- 23.8 - Malaysia
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Signing up to anything, will not change the stupid driving habits of most Thais. Laws MUST be enforced, and where safety of others is concerned punishment MUST be harsh. Forget 200 and 300bt fines. Add a couple of noughts!
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I don't know about that as you can find two in the bush easy enough
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You have to differenciate between a deliberate and willful act and negligence! Fining them won't improve the standards or educe the accidents. It is a very complex subject. If you do emphasise only enforcement then your putting a bandaid over a gaping wound!
It has to be done constructively starting with Education and concluding with Enforcement. Countries that dive into Enforcement are continually chasing their tails. Enforcement as a first resort is an admission of failure!
I have lectured on road safety at world conferences in London, Kuwait and Ukraine.
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I sincerely apologise to admin , if this subject was wrong to do , but as one that does not live there and may be one day i will , i have learnt something today, now found out 2 new items , 1 dundeemk6 , about a work permit, i know about the visa run but never new if one lived there you needed a permit and secondly jam saw , of recording deaths in road accidents , you have to appreciate i am trying to find out , about Thailand before i move and how better than to ask some one , thank you for replying
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refusredtail. It is not as simple as that! I know of some good farangs that have never settled and went back, it's down to the individual. As for the country there is good and bad everywhere and despite what is said here the good far outweighs the bad. I've been to 38 countries working in most of them, living in Arab countries for many years and I wouldn't live anywhere else but here!
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Speeding is a deliberate and wilful act. Driving in the wrong lane or against the traffic flow is too. I, like most others exceed 90kph on major highways, knowing that in the unlikely event of being caught, I can probably pay 200bt and be on my way.
If the chances of getting caught are much higher, and I know it will cost me at least 10,000bt, I would, like most others, stick to 90.
Certainly education is needed, but where do you begin to educate some 20million+. Fine them off the roads first, THEN start to educate them.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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nick - not always! We have been though this and in the mid-90's the UK introduced speed awareness courses for offenders. Those that were fined and endorsed went on to re-offend. Those that did the compulsary courses generally did not. I don't want to get repetative but it starts with education, I get very annoyed because they hug the middle or outside lane but they do that because in many cases that's how they were trained!
You can drive dangerously and be charged for careless use of speed when driving below the speed limit!
They simply don't understand the rules, the reason for the rules and the risk!
Much is made of drink driving but at least 5 times more are killed through fatigue and ten times by 'distracted' driving!
Nick, I feel your frustration but I can assure you it's worse in all the Arab countries and the worst country in the world is India.
...don't delete the picture admin, just a bit of fun.....really!
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I recall that some 30/40 years ago (maybe more) on TV in England, there were regular special 2/3 minute instructional programmmes between programmes, showing how to drive correctly.
In view of the large number of deaths on the roads here in Thailand, and the huge underlying cost to Thailand as a whole it would be in the government's interests to start educating the Thai people in a similar way.
The schools could also spend 10 minutes a day teaching the older kids, especially since most of them have motorbikes, yet are well below the minimum age to drive and take a test!
Also the driving tests need to be beefed up and the payment of bribes to pass and obtain a licence must be cracked down on. But of course these are all pipe dreams whilst Thailand remains one of Asia's most corrupt countries.
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Nick. please don't go there! You are, politely, well behind the times mate!
Everything starts with education, it is a near impossible task to re-train adults especially one's that have been poorly trained. I speak as a training manager of 20 years experience and head of a training Institute in the Middle East as well as a consultant to numerous countries in Asia but not Thailand!!!!!
In any form of learning there has to be a syllabus! There is no driver training syllabus in Thailand so it becomes a matter of opinion instead of an opinion that matters! The tests should be accredited and internationally audited so the they are examined properly, standardisation is as important as standards! It is far too easy to become an instructor in Thailand and remain one as it is also in Australia and USA).
I'm also an advanced examiner & instructor amongst many other things so whatever your frustrations I can assure you they are minimal compared to mine as I'd rather work here in Thailand for much less money than I'm getting now than travel all over Asia as I did last year (22 flights and 121 hotel nights). I'm off again at the end of this month for 6 months, I's rather be here providing my much needed skills to a country I live in that needs them but Thailand is insular and will not accept international help!
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Great info Jamaw. thumbup
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Jamaw I fully accept your views, but the Brits and many other nationalities are far more receptive to change and obeying the law than the Thai's
I realise that I am behind the times, not surprising really having been here almost a quarter of a century. I agree you cannot retrain adults, so what is the alternative to fining them into submission. There isn't one as far as I can see and most of the current younger adults will still be around for the next 50 years (if they haven't killed themselves and everyone else before then). Take away their alcohol and gambling money and some, may, just may decide to toe the line.
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Easy to bore the pants off some here as road safety is viewed as a boring subject. I honestly share Nicks frustrations and that of many others but how do they think I feel that I have a an international track record in Driver Training/Road Safety/ and Security and I have to travel most of the year (ok the $$$ is very good) but I'd rather stay here in Thailand and help. I've written many letters offering to give my services either in training, lectures or even training Thais up to UK standards - yes it can be done because I was the first person to bring UK accredited advanced driver training and testing to Oman so it can certainly be done with Thai's. I have never had the dignity of a reply and when I met with a Thai Minister he stated he's love to have me onboard but Thailand only does this in house!
I feel like I can see a man drowning and the politicians won't let me save him!
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I think jam saw is correct in saying EDUACATION , i have lived in uk for 5 years , and there driving , is far better than Australia , very polite drivers , let you in , on side roads , pass on the right side only if in lanes , here in Australia , pass on any side , dangerous, we had the highest road toll in the world i think 1978, Guinness book of records , in queensland , now since speed cameras introduced , driving habits have changed , so if you are taught correctly from the start , you carry that over , in your driving , here to easy to get your license , should be made much harder , and over a period of days
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Nick you points are good and constructive, what works in one country doesn't always work in another. What would I do in Thailand? I would confiscate the vehicles that are involved in offences such as speeding. Then and only then when the whole family has been put into chaos with no transport will they learn. They would be banned from buying or registering any other vehicle until they have been re-trained, re-tested and heavily fined. The vehicle that has been pounded should be sold and the proceeds go into re-educaton.
I can see corruption licking its lips now but it's a start!
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refusedtail please don't start me on Oz. I was there most of last year and it is at least 20 years behind the UK and that is from an Oz MD that I trained! Oz is very heavy on enforcement and weak on training. Anyone can be a trainer in a week and that's it for life. In the UK it takes 2 years to become a basic instructor and you are evaluated between 2 and 4 years and if your standards fall your are struck of the register. Oz does not have a register or an accredited training syllabus.
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They have also here HOON LAWS , where if you are caught hooning you have vehicle taking off you and fined , if your a repeat offender , not sure how many times , your vehicle is crashed, it does teach some .
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Yes they do and the average hoon offends 5 times so either he failed Maths or he ran out of gas but it doesn't work. Melbourne has been quite successful in dealing with that but other States not. Look at the drink driving offences in Queensland...about ten times more than UK!!!
I have to be honest and say the standard of instruction in Oz is shocking. I have an Oz mate I trained in the Middle East, he went back to Adelaide and couldn't stick it.
They tried to pass a law in Canberra that everyone should re-take their tests again at 65.....except for MP's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I share your frustrations Jamaw. Years ago I offered my services in the field of health and safety at work, for which I was trained and qualified for and like you never received the courtesy of a reply. Just as hundreds die on the roads, many die in workplace accidents, fires in buildings, and if anyone recalls the fire in a Jomtien hotel some 14/15 years ago where around 100 died due to locked fire exits, my house adjoined the hotel premises. I sold my home which was turned into guest rooms for Thais for another hotel. Nobody has ever stayed there for more than one night, as it is believed it is haunted by the poor souls that died in the hotel fire.
After major tragic events, Songkran and New Year road deaths committees are set up, but nothing ever changes and doubtless never will.
It would need a member of royalty, or perhaps the PM do be involved in a tragic acccident, and then sparks would likely fly.
I see in your post No 27 Jamaw, you are coming round to my way of thinking, by suggesting the confiscation of vehicles caught speeding etc. Now that is even more harsh punishment than my suggested 10,000bt fine.
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nick -I was an HSE training manager in the Middle East serving and providing all aspects of safety training to the oil industry. I have seen houses and hotels newly built here that defy fire and safety regulations but I guess you will know that more than me, you've probably seen worse.
The frustrations got to me (working in Arab countries 11 years, living in one 5 years) I wanted to semi-retire here (I'm 55) but it didn't work out as my internationally accredited qualifications and experience is not wanted in Thailand so I'm off to another hat that I wear soon, security, training bodyguards. Probably much easier! (more bodyguards are killed by cars than weapons)!!!
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If there was any one law i could change , it would be that no one can ride or sit in the back of cars with trays , and that seat belts are compulsory to where , also turning right on a red light , u turn that is , may be that would reduce a few deaths , what was the final figure of people that died in the song kran period
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This has been a useful subject and I agree entirely with Jamaw re "the formula being the 3 'E's, Education, Engineering and Enforcement. All 3 must work in balance constructively with each other, any imbalance in it's ineffective!"
It then becomes more subjective about training/retraining. You cannot start with a clean sheet of paper but education CAN start at the early stage of school age, so that the bar is raised for the standard of 'passing' a test to drive on the roads. As far as older drivers are concerned, surely any evolution towards re-education is better than none. It will fall on stoney-ground in many cases - but couple this with a more realistic set of penalties and you are progressing.
Whilst (in the spirit of this thread) this would benefit all Thais, I doubt the will exists to make any changes to the status quo. Without wishing to be overly critical, if the Thais would not sign up to an International convention 20 years ago - they will not do so now. The first step in rehabilitation is to recognise that something is wrong.
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Mr Coffee C - Correct. They have too much to hide to sign up!
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Accidents like these (link) are very common but rarely seen. If more people see this then it has the desired effect!
This was filmed by a friend when recording his house being built, he was lucky (or unlucky) to have seen it develope as well as happen! It wasn't just speed but at least 4 contributing factors that caused it.
I've only just uploaded it to YouTube.
Rollover ute with people m4v (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr4jfV3Fxks#ws)
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It's not just Thailand and at least Thailand has some excuses, this is a clip of New York. The USA leads the world in many things, road safety is certainly not one of them!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20110610/od_yblog_upshot/3-way-street-artist-video-tracks-scary-traffic (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20110610/od_yblog_upshot/3-way-street-artist-video-tracks-scary-traffic)
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Accidents like these (link) are very common but rarely seen. If more people see this then it has the desired effect!
This was filmed by a friend when recording his house being built, he was lucky (or unlucky) to have seen it develope as well as happen! It wasn't just speed but at least 4 contributing factors that caused it.
I've only just uploaded it to YouTube.
Rollover ute with people m4v (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr4jfV3Fxks#ws)
That video needs to be seen by everybody, several Times. Shocking, but a cold hard truth about the state of driving In this country.
Thankyou Jamaw.
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Accidents like these (link) are very common but rarely seen. If more people see this then it has the desired effect!
This was filmed by a friend when recording his house being built, he was lucky (or unlucky) to have seen it develope as well as happen! It wasn't just speed but at least 4 contributing factors that caused it.
I've only just uploaded it to YouTube.
Rollover ute with people m4v (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr4jfV3Fxks#ws)
That's a horrible accident, would be nice to know the people came out of the baccident, injuries, deaths? :ohmy:
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den Buut - I honestly don't know as I didn't get a chance to speak to the chap that filmed it. I know he enquired after he helped them and as far as I know only 1 died but that was a few days after, that could have changed later!
Hopefully, many lived as they are the best people to listen to!
I will never buy one of these vehicles because I know when I go away to work my wife would get pressurised by her family and would give in (she's the youngest of many).
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I have hundreds of video's like that, people send them to me from all over the world and more gruesome than that one! They show them in many schools even in Arab countries, Cambodia, Vietnam, India, Papua New Guinea....but not Thailand, too sensitive I'm told!
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I thought he was your friend. ::)
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He sent it to me when I was abroad and when I got back to Thai he was away!
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It happened 13 months ago, didn't speak to him since? I thought he was your friend.
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Yes, many times but no more info!
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Also how many times do you see in the village many young kids on motorbikes, they learn at an early age , who really teaches them , i have come across 2 accidents already , with broken limbs . EDUACATION , is where it starts and for sure what someone said , teaching in schools .
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Also how many times do you see in the village many young kids on motorbikes, they learn at an early age , who really teaches them , i have come across 2 accidents already , with broken limbs . EDUACATION , is where it starts and for sure what someone said , teaching in schools .
The kids are not taught how to drive. The parents/guardians are irresponsible for allowing the kids to drive bikes. The schools act irresponsibly by allowing underage kids to enter schools on motorbikes -often with 2 or even 3 pasengers - no helmets of course. And the police are also irresponsible, as they stop oncoming traffic to wave the youngsters safely into school premises instead of arresting them.
We have had 2 underage kids killed in our village on motorbikes. Their friends come to the wake on their motorbikes, with no helmets and again often with more than one passenger. Even death fails to shake them up!
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one other thing i would change is the price of Whisky , why is it in my country its $69 bucks , and in Thailand Its 900 thb , why is it so cheap ,i would triple the price , there cannot be a lot of tax on it , i was actually in a shop , and had to buy some , but was told cannot purchase , until after 3 pm , well thast a good move , is it illegal to drive under the influence of liquor , here you are allowed .05 on a breath machine , what is it in Thailand.
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That's a very good point! I have a 12 year old step-son, he's about 5feet 5 inches now so tall for a young Thai (or a Thai). He's asking for a motaci!!! I have refused. I bought him a mountain bike and that's what I use when I go into town. He's throw it down sometimes after school instead of standing it up. The chain sticks despite me showing him how to maintain and oil it!
However, as Admin has correctly pointed out, we can't change them but we can influence them! My wife is good at this as she has worked abroad in top Hotels so she does the psychology! She said what will happen when Pa is away, what will you do? That made him think. I have said to him to show me you can be responsible and I will buy you a Motorbike next year. If you don't obey road rules I will take it away. It is Peer pressure from mates but I tell him that you are above them and he knows quite a few have had minor crashes.
Incentives work! I said to him don't worry about what your mates do, they are 12 & 13 and have motorbikes, they will still have them when you are 18! When you are 18 and show you are responsible I'll buy you a car and the girls will like that when your mates are still riding their bikes!
It matters not what we think and many on here share the same views in terms of safety. There is no safety culture here and the police do not enforce it!
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The reasoning behind Whisky (Scotch) but Whiskey (Thai and others) is the alcohol problems so I accept that. I'm a great red wine lover and Thai's don't drink that so why is that so expensive?
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I love red wine but have given trying to find a nice drop , last time on a roadside i quizzed the bloke about the wine , nice dark green bottle , beautiful label , corked , butttttttttttttttttttt the taste , i cannot describe , bloody awful, i gave the other 2 bottles away , any suggestions , here our reds are very good , may be called sour in Thailand , but very nice to drink , be interested to know what you drink and where you buy , and its not crap.
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Agreed, it's difficult getting a good wine here, I love Oz wine.
As for alcohol rates Thailand is the same as Oz 0.05
Country
BAC limit (%)
Source
1
Albania
0.01
9
2
Angola
?
Unknown
3
Argentina
0.05
9
4
Armenia
0.00
8
5
Australia
0.05
4, 5, 6, 8
6
Austria
0.05
1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 42, 50
7
Azerbaijan
0.00
9, 43
8
Bahrain
0.00
Moslem law
9
Belarus
0.04
1, 43
10
Belgium
0.05
1, 2, 3, 5, 9, 42. 50
11
Belize
0.08
12
12
Bosnia Herzegovina
0.05
9
13
Brazil
0.08
5
14
Bulgaria
0.05
1, 2, 9, 20, 43
15
Cambodia
?
Unknown
16
Canada
0.08
3, 5, 9
17
Chile
0.08
15
18
China
0.03
16
19
Costa Rica
0.05 (0.49)
37
20
Croatia (see note 51)
0.05
1, 2, 8, 42, 43
21 Cyprus
0.09 changing to 0.05
50 / 52
22
Czech Republic
0.00
1, 2, 9, 43, 46, 50
23
Denmark
0.05
1, 2, 5, 8, 42,43, 50
24
Ecuador
0.08
38, 45
25
Estonia
0.00 / "0,2 per milles"
8, 20, 46 / 47, 50
26
Fiji
0.08
17
27
Finland
0.05
1-5,8,31,42, 43, 50
28
France
0.05
1, 2,3,4,5,9,42, 50
29
Georgia
0.03
9, 20
30
Germany
0.05
1, 2, 5, 42, 43, 50
31
Ghana
0.08
18
32
Greece
0.05
3, 4, 5, 8, 42, 50
33
Hungary
0.00
1, 2, 8, 43, 46, 50
34
Iceland
0.05
1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 42
35
India
0.03 / 0.015
11 / 34
36
Ireland
0.08
3, 4, 5, 8, 50
37
Israel
0.05
2, 4, 8
38
Italy
0.05
9, 42, 43, 50
39
Jamaica
0.08
30
40
Japan
0.03
33
41
Jordan
0.00
35
42
Kyrgyzstan
0.00
8, 17
43
Latvia
0.05
1, 2, 8, 43, 50
44
Lebanon
?
Unknown
45
Lithuania
0.04 / 0.00
1, 2, 9, 17, 43, 50 / 46
46
Luxembourg
0.08
1, 2,3,4,5,8,43,50
47
Macedonia
0.05
21
48
Malaysia
0.08
17
49
Mali
0.00
Moslem law 36
50
Malta
0.08
9, 50
51
Mauritius
0.08
17
52
Moldova, Republic of
0.03
9, 17, 27
53
Monaco
0.05
2
54
Namibia
0.05
14
55
Netherlands
0.05
1, 2,3,4,5,8,43,50
56
New Zealand
0.08
3, 5, 8, 39
57
Norway
0.02
1, 2, 27, 42, 43
58
Pakistan
0.00
Moslem law
59
Peru
0.05 / 0.06
8 / 17
60
Poland
0.02
1, 2, 3, 42, 50
61
Portugal
0.05 / 0.02
2, 4, 8, 42, 50 / 43
62
Romania
0.00
1, 2, 8, 43, 46
63
Russia
0.05 / 0.00
22 (q.v.) / 43
64 Puerto Rico 0.08 44
65
Saudi Arabia
0.00
Moslem law
66 Serbia (and Montenegro)
0.05
42, 43
67
Singapore
0.08
8, 23
68
Slovak Republic / Slovakia
0.00
1, 2, 8, 43, 46, 50
69
Slovenia
0.05
1, 5, 8, 43, 50
70
South Africa
0.05
7, 9, 14, 32, 48
71
South Korea
0.05 / 0.053
8 / 49
72
Spain
0.05
1, 2, 5, 43, 50
73
Sudan
0.02
unconfirmed
74
Swaziland
0.10 / 0.15
24 / 13
75
Sweden
0.02
1,2,3,4,5,8,42,43, 50
76
Switzerland
0.05 from Jan 1, 2004
29, 42
77
Taiwan
0.05
25 (& see 40)
78
Tanzania
0.08
10
79
Thailand
0.05
26, 27
80
Turkey
0.05
1, 2, 8, 27, 43
81
Turkmenistan
0.03
9, 27
82 Uganda
0.08
41
83
United Arab Emirates (UAE)
0.00
Moslem law
84
United Kingdom
0.08
1, 2, 3, 4, 9, 43, 50
85
USA
0.08 (now all 50 states)
2, 3, 5, 8
86
Uzbekistan
0.00
unconfirmed
87
Yugoslavia
0.05
1, 2
88
Zimbabwe
0.08
10
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I not understand , say pakistan 000 then it mentions muslim law with a figure can you explain please ?
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It basically means zero tollerance! I lived and worked in many Arabic countries and basically if the police smell alcohol on you then you are inside prison straight away and charged next day. No complicated devices, just a policeman with a sensitive nose!
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Groupings
(n.b. *where two different levels are given, above, for one country, the higher reading has been used below)
BAC
Countries
Religion
The five listed countries currently believed to have a zero blood-alcohol limit primarily or specifically for reasons of religion are: Bahrain, Mali, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, & UAE -- these are NOT included in any DSA totals or calculations showing what proportion of countries fall into certain BAC bands
Zero
Armenia, Azerbaijan, Czech Republic, Hungary, Jordan, Kyrgyzstan, Romania, Slovak Republic, (Uzbekistan) (10 countries)
0.01%
Albania
0.02%
Estonia*, Norway, Poland, (Sudan), Sweden (5)
0.03%
China, Georgia*, India, Japan, Moldova, Turkmenistan (6)
0.04%
Belarus, Lithuania* (2)
0.05%
Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Costa Rica, Croatia, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Israel, Italy, Latvia, Macedonia, Monaco, Namibia, Netherlands, Portugal*, Russia*, Serbia, Slovenia, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, Yugoslavia (35)
0.06%
Peru*
0.08%
Belize, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Ecuador, Fiji, Ghana, Ireland, Jamaica, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, New Zealand, Puerto Rico, Singapore, Tanzania, Uganda, United Kingdom, USA, Zimbabwe (21)
0.10%
Possibly Swaziland, but see 0.15%, below. [Many American states had this limit but Delaware was the last to sign up for a 0.08% limit, in July 2004.]
0.15%
Swaziland* (1) (82 applicable countries, excluding religion-mandated zeros)
Note: At least 72% (i.e. 60) of the 83 applicable countries have a BAC limit =/< 0.05% (excluding religiously-mandated zero limits)
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That's a very good point! I have a 12 year old step-son, he's about 5feet 5 inches now so tall for a young Thai (or a Thai). He's asking for a motaci!!! I have refused.
I have said to him to show me you can be responsible and I will buy you a Motorbike next year. If you don't obey road rules I will take it away.
You propose to buy your then 13 year old stepson a motorcycle next year. As you seem to be aware of most things relating to driving, surely you know that in Thailand one has to be 16 years old to legally drive a motorbike. Whilst I appreciate the roads are full of 11, 12, and 13 year olds racing around on their motorcy's, both they and those who permit them to drive are in my book irresponsible.
The legal age was enacted for a good reason -as it is in most countries. Below that age, so many kids are totally immature and cannot conceive of the need to realise there are other motorists using the roads besides themselves.
I would urge you to reconsider your promise.
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