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Title: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on February 21, 2013, 11:08:23 PM
Not sure of interest in this, but things have really changed in the past year on the amount of 4 lanes while traveling to/from Buriram. 
 
Yesterday I went to the market south of KCI.  Between Buriram and Surin there is less than 19 kilometers of 2 lane.  They have completed and painted new four lane about 1/2 way to Surin. 
 
So by area:
 
Buriram - Surin. 
 
Mostly 4 lane except for a 19 KM stretch.  But even this 19 KM includes some minor 4 lane areas to pass.   Hopefully within the next 2 years will all be 4 Lane. 
 
 
Buriram - Korat. 
 
Big improvement in the past year, but still about 60 KM of 2 lane.  They are almost completed with some 4 lane around a 7-11 gas station and another small town almost to Korat.  But still need a lot of work.  However, it appears that it just need money as the land is available. 
 
Buriram to Nang Rong.
 
Have not been there in several months, but last trip there was about 40 km of 2 lane. 
 
 
 
What are your updates?
 
 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Admin on February 22, 2013, 12:52:42 AM
Great report. We need more reports like this one.  yeahme
Surin-Buriram road improvement is great news because that road was very dangerous.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: nookiebear on February 22, 2013, 08:10:51 AM
Highway 24 in Buriram is an absolute disgrace.......This is the most heavily used road in Buriram too!
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on February 22, 2013, 09:40:40 AM
Great report. We need more reports like this one.  yeahme
Surin-Buriram road improvement is great news because that road was very dangerous.

2 lanes, 4 lanes or more. It will not make any difference. The roads will still be dangerous. People need to learn what the right hand lane is for.

People need to learn that the small lane on the left is not for the purpose of pulling out of a side turning without looking, or for driving down the road the wrong way.

Teaching people what lights are for would also be a good idea.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Nobby on February 22, 2013, 11:04:20 AM
They also need to learn how to engineer a road that lasts longer than 6 months. Those new roads will be a smooth as a wavvy ocean by Xmas time (i'd guess).
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: davu on February 22, 2013, 12:14:04 PM
The road Buriram -Lamplaimatt, finished in March, has already had some serious holes repaired, using left handed hammers by the feel of it.
The main problem seems to be lack of a serious source of sub base and base as preparation for asphalting, some of these trucks are HEAVY.
I recently thought that I had missed a turning coming back from Korat, the road was so good.  For now.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: chokchai on February 22, 2013, 12:33:27 PM
The 359 from the 33 to 304 is being upgraded....long over due. should knock off about 20 mins from journey to Pattaya. Will be a long job as that road is 78k long.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Admin on February 22, 2013, 02:53:24 PM
The only thing bothering me when driving is that many roads have no sideway lights making it very dangerous to drive on night time so I always used to avoid driving on night time.
Especially on 24 road in the areas where there are some bars/kareoke, many times motorbikes will cross the road without thinking.. drive slow.
sawadi
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Admin on February 22, 2013, 04:53:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYBVqOxScoc
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on February 22, 2013, 05:50:46 PM


The road from near Krasang to Surin is now 4 lanes, but most Thais driving  cars/pick-ups and buses stay in the outside lane the whole way, forcing those going faster than them (and not necessarily above 90kph) to overtake on the inside.
Fine them 5000bt first offence, and next time out they might drive with more consideration for others!

I didn't see 4 lanes anywhere in the movie clip

What I did see was some idiot riding a motorbike, holding a camera in one hand. How on earth could he/she have full control with 1 hand?
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on February 22, 2013, 05:58:21 PM
Great report. We need more reports like this one.  yeahme
Surin-Buriram road improvement is great news because that road was very dangerous.

2 lanes, 4 lanes or more. It will not make any difference. The roads will still be dangerous. People need to learn what the right hand lane is for.

People need to learn that the small lane on the left is not for the purpose of pulling out of a side turning without looking, or for driving down the road the wrong way.

Teaching people what lights are for would also be a good idea.


They are too old to be taught conventionally. Even the youngsters are not taught -which could be easily done in the schools at the expense of some of the rubbish taught to them.

The only way to make change is in seriously heavy fines (pre notified)- which double for every repeat offence within a 12 month period.  No money .......-no discos, no nightclubs, no alcohol. They would soon change their ways!
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: smoooth2 on February 22, 2013, 06:00:35 PM
Nick ... It looked to me as though the camera guy was the passenger ? ... not the guy steering
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on February 22, 2013, 06:02:17 PM
Nick ... It looked to me as though the camera guy was the passenger ? ... not the guy steering

That may well be. I was more intent on looking for the non existant 4 lanes!
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: smoooth2 on February 22, 2013, 06:44:40 PM
Nick ... It looked to me as though the camera guy was the passenger ? ... not the guy steering

That may well be. I was more intent on looking for the non existant 4 lanes!

 thumbup   Must admit ... that also crossed my mind. Kept thinking any minute now we shall see a nice 4 lane road !!

I drive Buriram - Surin road a lot ... and it's not too bad.

Certainly easier than Prakhon Chai - Prasat road. IMHO

Maybe see you Sunday at Muang Tam festival. I'll be sitting close to Co-Co ... having a perve at Miss Thailand !!
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on February 22, 2013, 08:35:30 PM
Update:

From Buriram to Satuk. 

From the intersection of 219 and 188, it is 4 lane for about 8 km, then goes to 2 lane until the Buriram Airport.  But then 4 lane all the way to the river. 

Our Satuk BM can probably provide exactly how much 2 lane is there. 

Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: TBWG on February 22, 2013, 09:19:28 PM
Update:

From Buriram to Satuk. 

From the intersection of 219 and 188, it is 4 lane for about 8 km, then goes to 2 lane until the Buriram Airport.  But then 4 lane all the way to the river. 

Our Satuk BM can probably provide exactly how much 2 lane is there. 



Don't bank on it, I only drive it not measure it!


TBWG buriram_united sawadi

Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on February 22, 2013, 09:39:33 PM
Update:

From Buriram to Satuk. 

From the intersection of 219 and 188, it is 4 lane for about 8 km, then goes to 2 lane until the Buriram Airport.  But then 4 lane all the way to the river. 

Our Satuk BM can probably provide exactly how much 2 lane is there. 



Don't bank on it, I only drive it not measure it!


TBWG buriram_united sawadi



Good, so my guesstimate stands, which I would put at 15 KM of 2 lane.   

Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Thomas on February 25, 2013, 08:40:14 PM
Highway 24 in Buriram is an absolute disgrace.......This is the most heavily used road in Buriram too!

Yes, very dangerous, especially this time of year with the cane trucks. We live between Prakhonchai and Prasad so it is hard to avoid.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on March 05, 2013, 10:44:21 PM
I came up 304 today from Pattaya, took 24 to Nang Rong and 218 up to Buriram. 

304 has 2 sets of 2 lane over the mountain, the southern portion is 4 KM and the Northern is 14 KM.  As mentioned earlier a great improvement.   

BTW, be careful as about 10 km north of the 2 lane is a police check point, both sides of the road. 

Nang Rong to Buriram has little change, it is still about 40 KM of 2 lane.  Also did not see any signs of construction to enlarge it. 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on March 06, 2013, 09:03:40 AM
Highway 24 in Buriram is an absolute disgrace.......This is the most heavily used road in Buriram too!

Yes, very dangerous, especially this time of year with the cane trucks. We live between Prakhonchai and Prasad so it is hard to avoid.

There were signs up on the 24 in 2011, that worl would start on dualling the Prasat to Prakhonchai section that year. Signs since disappeared and no work done!
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on March 23, 2013, 11:04:24 AM
Just returned from Surin the other day, they are working on 4 laning the road east of the 226/2208 (light 1/2 way to Surin).

So hopefully in 6 months or less, when you are headed to Surin, once you reach the light, it will be 4 lane all the way to Surin. 

As an aside, the police like to set up a checkpoint just west of that light.   They stopped me (must have seen the farang driver).  Checked my license and then actually checked the book we had for the red tags on the car.  No issues, was let through and was able to make the light with a 1/2 second to spare. 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Admin on March 24, 2013, 12:09:23 PM
Best 3M tint film! :) It's such a great thing. Too bad it's not legal to install on front windows in some countries.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on November 18, 2013, 09:02:09 PM
Went to Surin Wednesday.  There is now 12 KM of 2 lane left, broken up in two 6 KM stretches separated by Song Chan (think that is the town).  Made the trip easier. 

On the down side I did not see any new construction. 

However, a new 7-11 gas station just opened about 3 km west of Surin on 226.  Just need another one about the mid way point. 

Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: nookiebear on November 19, 2013, 07:12:10 AM
Went to Surin Wednesday.  There is now 12 KM of 2 lane left, broken up in two 6 KM stretches separated by Song Chan (think that is the town).  Made the trip easier. 

On the down side I did not see any new construction. 

However, a new 7-11 gas station just opened about 3 km west of Surin on 226.  Just need another one about the mid way point. 


I'd heard you only buy 50 baht at a time........That would appear to be true!
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on November 19, 2013, 11:09:05 AM

I'd heard you only buy 50 baht at a time........That would appear to be true!

I actually only spent 18 baht for a liter (of Mountain Dew).  Wow, boredom was really be rampant around town if they are talking about me.


And yes I am frugal at times.  I usually try to use the Fuel station just North of the Imobile stadium because they give a liter of water with every 800 baht spent and will usually wash your windows.  So I don't use 7-11 for gas unless I am on a long trip somewhere. 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: nookiebear on November 19, 2013, 01:47:19 PM

I'd heard you only buy 50 baht at a time........That would appear to be true!

I actually only spent 18 baht for a liter (of Mountain Dew).  Wow, boredom was really be rampant around town if they are talking about me.


And yes I am frugal at times.  I usually try to use the Fuel station just North of the Imobile stadium because they give a liter of water with every 800 baht spent and will usually wash your windows.  So I don't use 7-11 for gas unless I am on a long trip somewhere. 
But you drive 10 kms to get there!!.............I guess you never tip the guy who washes your windscreen either!
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on November 19, 2013, 01:57:39 PM

I'd heard you only buy 50 baht at a time........That would appear to be true!

I actually only spent 18 baht for a liter (of Mountain Dew).  Wow, boredom was really be rampant around town if they are talking about me.


And yes I am frugal at times.  I usually try to use the Fuel station just North of the Imobile stadium because they give a liter of water with every 800 baht spent and will usually wash your windows.  So I don't use 7-11 for gas unless I am on a long trip somewhere. 
But you drive 10 kms to get there!!.............I guess you never tip the guy who washes your windscreen either!

It's right on my way home from Big C or taking pictures at Makro.  Up to the TW to tip, she's the one that pays. 
For those that don't know, if you take road immediately south of Big C, it comes out just north of the Stadium about at the RR tracks.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on July 13, 2015, 07:24:44 PM
Well did some traveling recently.  So here is an update. 

Buriram to Surin.   There is 13 KM of 2 lanes, but they are going to shorten it with some 4 lane Just west of the 226/2208 intersections.  BTW, if you are coming up to the light at 2208 and it goes red, you can turn left, do a U turn and be on your way saving a few minutes.  But careful when you get to Surin as heavy construction on the by-pass at 214.

Buriram to Korat.  There is a 4 lane at least every 13 KMs.  They continue to do more work, especially as you get to Korat.    But still over 50 KM of 2 lane.  And big construction project where 226 merges right into 2162 (not exactly sure what they are doing). 

Nang Rong to Buriram.  There is a lot of road construction at the Nang Rong 24/218 intersection causing 2 lane traffic.   Very little more 4 lane has been added.  However, it appears dirt is being pre-positioned  for doing about 10 more KMs of 4 lane between markers 23 - 13 (approximate).  However, that is just conjecture on my part as all I saw was 3 mountains of dirt. 


And 33 from 314 to San Kaeo is all 4 lane, very fast driving.  Until you get to 3446 going North and then have 100 KM of 2 lane. 


Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: toffo on July 13, 2015, 11:18:51 PM
A lot  quicker the other road especially if coming from your home Keith..  Go past Theera school, turn left at traffics lights and then right turn signposted Surin.. Probably 5-10 minutes quicker.. Enough for a coffee :-)
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: toffo on July 13, 2015, 11:20:48 PM
Is that bypass still slowing traffic ?? I'm going soon and was hoping it was finished
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on July 13, 2015, 11:47:34 PM
A lot  quicker the other road especially if coming from your home Keith..  Go past Theera school, turn left at traffics lights and then right turn signposted Surin.. Probably 5-10 minutes quicker.. Enough for a coffee :-)

Huh?   

It is actually quicker to turn left at the school and get to the road to Surin, but it depends on traffic and construction.   


However 2 weeks ago I took the by-pass south from Topps to 214, I had to go south and then U turn north.  What is required today I do not know, hopefully someone can provide the today's truth.   
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on July 14, 2015, 06:09:05 AM
Where are you trying to get to? The 214 is the Surin to Roi et road.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on July 14, 2015, 06:41:58 AM
Probably should  have stated what part of Surin. Roiet to Chong Chom.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on June 08, 2016, 05:46:18 PM
Just did a Korat run, while no construction is going on a lot has been done.  It is down to about 44 KM of 2 lane on 226.  They completely 4 laned the last stretch into Korat so that is one less area.  And I'm not sure but it apprears that a by-pass is being made on the east side between 2, 226, and probably to 224; but I would guestimate 2 more years for that.

And a lot is being done between Nang Rong and Buriram, except last time I checked it seemed there will still be a 10 KM stretch of 2 lane just north of Nang Rong. 

219 to the Airport has construction, but will still have about 8 km of 2 lane left. 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on June 08, 2016, 06:20:03 PM
When you say "North of Nang Rong" do you mean north of the junction between 24 and 218?
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on June 08, 2016, 06:37:10 PM
Yes, just north of that junction is 4 lane, when those lanes narrow to 2 there was no visible construction for about 10 km when I went through a few weeks ago.

Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on June 08, 2016, 06:44:12 PM
That may have something to do with politics.

Maybe the powers that be in Buriram are reluctant to go ahead as that part of road is in Nang Rong. There is still the possiblity that NangRong and some surrounding areas will be made into a province.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on July 24, 2016, 05:32:27 PM
I was traveling back from Korat on a two lane and encountered one of my pet peeves, a slow moving vehicle hugging the center line making it very difficult to see on-coming traffic to safely pass.   And I got to thinking how I did not recall encountering that particular issue in the US, I did a lot of driving in the 80's to the extent I bought an over powered car to be able to pass people while going uphill. 

Then I realized in the US people drive in the center of their lane, they do it so much ruts develop where tires ride.  The center of the lane is known for collecting oil deposits (dangerous for motorcyclists when raining after a dry spell).  There is no such consistency here, people drive on all parts of the lane (including coming the wrong way). 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on September 25, 2016, 10:20:03 PM
Just did the Nang Rong to Buriram run.  The 4 laning is progressing, but as mentioned before it appears that about 10 KM will remain 2 lane for a while, no construction seen from where the 4 lane ends north of Nang Rong for about 10 KM. 

What was interesting is that the about 5 KM of new 4 lane just before where the Buriram 4 lane ended has median lighting.   Why is that?  It is not an extension from Buriram as there is no lighting there.   It is mostly open road.  I bet land prices there are skyrocketing. 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on September 25, 2016, 10:28:14 PM
Also of interest is that the 2 lane death traps on 304 have major construction to fix.  It appeared to me that the southern 3 KM route will disappear within the next 6 months if not sooner. 

On the northern 2 lane stretch it will be greatly decreased if not eliminated within the next year.  However there were areas that had no visible construction. 


Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on February 11, 2018, 11:54:31 AM
Also of interest is that the 2 lane death traps on 304 have major construction to fix.  It appeared to me that the southern 3 KM route will disappear within the next 6 months if not sooner. 

On the northern 2 lane stretch it will be greatly decreased if not eliminated within the next year.  However there were areas that had no visible construction. 




Well I got that wrong on decreasing or eliminating, it may have even expanded.  Construction on 304 is still going, and probably for at least the rest of the year.  They have opened some new road portions for driving, but it is still 2 lane.  Very little passing lanes also. 

Also looks like they are building tunnels at the south part, unsure why.   

Then to make it more fun they are re-paving the road a little south of that for more backed up traffic.  On the way back I took the Sa Kaeo route that has about 100 km of 2 lane, but a lot less traffic. 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on February 11, 2018, 01:14:37 PM
Update:

From Buriram to Satuk. 

From the intersection of 219 and 188, it is 4 lane for about 8 km, then goes to 2 lane until the Buriram Airport.  But then 4 lane all the way to the river. 

Our Satuk BM can probably provide exactly how much 2 lane is there. 



Don't bank on it, I only drive it not measure it!


TBWG buriram_united sawadi



Good, so my guesstimate stands, which I would put at 15 KM of 2 lane.   



Went the Buriram airport this morning, very little 2 lane left. 

- .7 KM 2 lane a little past Ban Dan, but they are clearing the area obviously going to make 4 lane
- Then another stretch of 1.3 KM further up at a curve, did not see any signs of making  4 lane. 

So by then end of the year (probably June) there will only be about a kilometer of 2 lane on the way to Satuk.  Things are moving slowly.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: iammike on February 11, 2018, 02:40:33 PM

Well I got that wrong on decreasing or eliminating, it may have even expanded.  Construction on 304 is still going, and probably for at least the rest of the year.  They have opened some new road portions for driving, but it is still 2 lane.  Very little passing lanes also. 

Also looks like they are building tunnels at the south part, unsure why.   

Then to make it more fun they are re-paving the road a little south of that for more backed up traffic.  On the way back I took the Sa Kaeo route that has about 100 km of 2 lane, but a lot less traffic.

Question please, when going to Pattaya / Chonburi would you advise going via the 304 or via Sa Kaeo because of these Roadworks ??

Thx
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on February 11, 2018, 04:13:10 PM

I drove on 304 going to Patts, the traffic was moderate on a Sunday, there is about 15 KM of 2 lane thru the mountain, very rough road and a lot of places no passing possible.  But it eventually evens out so going south I would still consider 304.  However, another factor to consider is that there were 6 police checkpoints between Nang Rong and Kabin Buri (did not encounter any the rest of the way). 

However, as I past Kabin Buri the North bound lane was being resurfaced and that traffic was backed up for over a kilometer.  With that in mind I would opt for coming back via Sa Kaeo.  The traffic on 33 was very light and fast moving on a Wednesday, but maybe 5 km of road work.  And in reality there is only about  3 KM stretch once you hit 2 lane where you can't pass.  There was 1 or 2 police checkpoints (looking for registration) and 2 Army checkpoints. 


If the Kabin Buri resurfacing moves southbound I would recommend Sa Kaeo (not sure how you would find out).


And another FYI, if you take 3420 to 36 to 7 just North of Patts, once you get on 7 you have to stop at a toll booth and get a coupon, however, at the final toll booth the cost was zero. 


Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: iammike on February 11, 2018, 05:07:19 PM

I drove on 304 going to Patts, the traffic was moderate on a Sunday, there is about 15 KM of 2 lane thru the mountain, very rough road and a lot of places no passing possible.  But it eventually evens out so going south I would still consider 304.  However, another factor to consider is that there were 6 police checkpoints between Nang Rong and Kabin Buri (did not encounter any the rest of the way). 

However, as I past Kabin Buri the North bound lane was being resurfaced and that traffic was backed up for over a kilometer.  With that in mind I would opt for coming back via Sa Kaeo.  The traffic on 33 was very light and fast moving on a Wednesday, but maybe 5 km of road work.  And in reality there is only about  3 KM stretch once you hit 2 lane where you can't pass.  There was 1 or 2 police checkpoints (looking for registration) and 2 Army checkpoints. 


If the Kabin Buri resurfacing moves southbound I would recommend Sa Kaeo (not sure how you would find out).

Perfect, very much appreciated !

Doesn't Nookie drive that stretch regularly, maybe he can keep us up to date ??


And another FYI, if you take 3420 to 36 to 7 just North of Patts, once you get on 7 you have to stop at a toll booth and get a coupon, however, at the final toll booth the cost was zero.

Thx, yes that was something I wanted to know since the toll booths opened. What about the toll booths on the way back ? Same same ?
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on February 11, 2018, 05:20:42 PM

Thx, yes that was something I wanted to know since the toll booths opened. What about the toll booths on the way back ? Same same ?



I didn't get on north 7 so can't give you a experienced answer.  I would guess the same as inbound, but TIT. 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: mike on February 21, 2018, 04:04:23 PM
I understand that they will start to charge as from April. No idea how much for the short stretch from the 36 down but I was told that Bangkok / pattaya will go up from 60 to 100.

Mike
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: iammike on March 05, 2018, 09:58:46 PM

I drove on 304 going to Patts, the traffic was moderate on a Sunday, there is about 15 KM of 2 lane thru the mountain, very rough road and a lot of places no passing possible.  But it eventually evens out so going south I would still consider 304.  However, another factor to consider is that there were 6 police checkpoints between Nang Rong and Kabin Buri (did not encounter any the rest of the way). 

However, as I past Kabin Buri the North bound lane was being resurfaced and that traffic was backed up for over a kilometer.  With that in mind I would opt for coming back via Sa Kaeo.  The traffic on 33 was very light and fast moving on a Wednesday, but maybe 5 km of road work.  And in reality there is only about  3 KM stretch once you hit 2 lane where you can't pass.  There was 1 or 2 police checkpoints (looking for registration) and 2 Army checkpoints. 


If the Kabin Buri resurfacing moves southbound I would recommend Sa Kaeo (not sure how you would find out).


And another FYI, if you take 3420 to 36 to 7 just North of Patts, once you get on 7 you have to stop at a toll booth and get a coupon, however, at the final toll booth the cost was zero.

We arrived in Pattaya and what urleft wrote is still accurate except that the resurface of the Northbound lane near Kabin is almost finished, just a small stretch left, but now they are starting on the other direction with a long stretch (2-3 km) already being 1 lane only with the road dug up. Fortunately traffic was light.

Mountain ?road? is indeed very rough especially after ?Wang nam khaew?. 

One more thing, on the 7 coming into Pattaya everyone was keeping to the speed limit (90km on that stretch) so there must be speed cameras setup??????
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: iammike on March 18, 2018, 01:33:39 PM
Back home again.

We Left Pattaya at 5am this morning (4 days ahead of our scheduled checkout (Hotel was very surprised) and we got home around 11:40, with a couple of stops so that's not that bad for 475 KM's

Toll way from Pattaya (Nr 7) to the Exit (36 -> Rayong) is Free (NO idea for how long), and again everyone (on the 7) was keeping to the speed limit (90kmh) so I guess there are speed camera's on that stretch (haven't seen one, but will wait for the bill to show up @ home :biggrin: )

Traffic was oke, only the 331 till the flyover to the 304 was a bit heavy with lots of trucks but fortunate as this is a Sunday No early morning rush near BoWin and Amata Complex.

Up the Mountain the traffic was oke, the 1st part is definitely the hardest part with very bad road surface, but when that is complete it's smooth sailing. Traffic on the 24 was very very light, could keep the cruise control on for most of the time, and from Nang Rong to Prakhonchai it was on all the time. !
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on March 18, 2018, 02:59:17 PM
Isn't route 7 a Highway and therefore the speed limit is 120?
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: iammike on March 18, 2018, 03:33:51 PM
You are correct, but on that stretch that I have done (from sukhumvit till the exit to the 36 <->) there are a lot flashing signs with 90 on it, and I think that must be the effective speedlimit there. Most of the traffic was only doing 90 both times I have driven it.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: CO-CO on March 19, 2018, 08:41:06 AM
Back home again.

We Left Pattaya at 5am this morning (4 days ahead of our scheduled checkout (Hotel was very surprised) and we got home around 11:40, with a couple of stops so that's not that bad for 475 KM's

Toll way from Pattaya (Nr 7) to the Exit (36 -> Rayong) is Free (NO idea for how long), and again everyone (on the 7) was keeping to the speed limit (90kmh) so I guess there are speed camera's on that stretch (haven't seen one, but will wait for the bill to show up @ home :biggrin: )

Traffic was oke, only the 331 till the flyover to the 304 was a bit heavy with lots of trucks but fortunate as this is a Sunday No early morning rush near BoWin and Amata Complex.

Up the Mountain the traffic was oke, the 1st part is definitely the hardest part with very bad road surface, but when that is complete it's smooth sailing. Traffic on the 24 was very very light, could keep the cruise control on for most of the time, and from Nang Rong to Prakhonchai it was on all the time. !


I can confirm that there are speed cameras on the Pattaya/Chachoengsao section of the 7   :(


Not sure if PKC was the final destination but that is only 394 km from Pattaya.


You may want to consider Lahansai/Yai Yam/Chorakhe Mak to avoid Nang Rong.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: iammike on March 19, 2018, 11:40:12 AM
Co-Co,

Thanks, no PKC is not the final destination, we are another 20kms from Krasang.

Lahan Sai route, would mean taking the Sa Kaeo route ?

Will try that next time, but not keen in going back to Pattaya any time soon, we cut our trip short this time already, it?s fun for a couple of days, visit old friends and good to stock on supplies but not do frequently.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: CO-CO on March 20, 2018, 10:46:59 AM
Co-Co,

Thanks, no PKC is not the final destination, we are another 20kms from Krasang.

Lahan Sai route, would mean taking the Sa Kaeo route ?

Will try that next time, but not keen in going back to Pattaya any time soon, we cut our trip short this time already, it?s fun for a couple of days, visit old friends and good to stock on supplies but not do frequently.


iammike..... sorry, I wrongly assumed that when you mentioned the mountain that you went via Sa Kaeo.


Although the road over the 'Korat' mountain is much better these days, it is a lot further if you then go via PKC to Krasang.


Taking 'soi minibus' (359/33) to Wattana Nakhon then left to Non Din Dang/Lahansai is my preferred route. Dual carriageway to Wattana Nakhon then a decent single carriageway after that.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: iammike on March 20, 2018, 01:06:47 PM
@Co-Co

No problem.

We have done the ?Sa Kaeo/Non din Daeng? route before, but my wife (she even doesn?t do the driving ;)) prefers the ?Korat? route, because of a good restaurant near Wang Nam Khiao :biggrin:

That Sa Kaeo route I for sure will not do at night because of the ?desolation? of some parts of that route, but I wouldn?t drive the ?Korat? route at night either. The signage on that road (where the roadworks are) are TERRIBLE, We even had (some) trouble (during the day) to see where you have to go so bad was the signage.

Does anyone know why they are building (on the Korat mountain road) two tunnels ? These tunnels even aren?t going through the mountain but are just covered road section (2-300 meters long). Will go and see if I can find a picture in my Dash Cam footage.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: iammike on March 20, 2018, 01:58:37 PM
Found the Dash Cam footage of the "Tunnel" that is being build.

Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: CO-CO on March 20, 2018, 10:14:37 PM
Nookie will know.....
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on April 06, 2018, 02:43:30 PM
Came up from Bangkok this morning and was very pleasantly surprised to see them actively working to convert the last 10Km of 2 lane just N of Nang Rong to 4 lane.  IMHO they are really working hard to finish ASAP, they are well along in converting the two 2-Lane bridges to 4 lane.  And the work is being done along the entire area. 

I would think they can finish in the next 6 months, however at the pace they are working I would not be surprised if they finished in 3 month.

Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on April 07, 2018, 01:59:21 PM


Went the Buriram airport this morning, very little 2 lane left. 

- .7 KM 2 lane a little past Ban Dan, but they are clearing the area obviously going to make 4 lane
- Then another stretch of 1.3 KM further up at a curve, did not see any signs of making  4 lane. 

So by then end of the year (probably June) there will only be about a kilometer of 2 lane on the way to Satuk.  Things are moving slowly.

Another trip to the Buriram airport today.  Things have improved as all 2 lane areas show widening efforts, but are still moving slowing. 

-  On the small 2 lane stretch just past Ban Dan, does not appear they have made any progress since my last posting.

- They are working the 1.3km stretch.  Unfortunately while the entire length seems to be on the move there is a two lane bridge that shows no modification efforts.  So even if they complete the 4 lane soon there will be a bottle neck.  It would seem lucky if they complete the work in the next 6 months.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on April 08, 2018, 01:02:03 PM
@Co-Co

No problem.

We have done the ?Sa Kaeo/Non din Daeng? route before, but my wife (she even doesn?t do the driving ;)) prefers the ?Korat? route, because of a good restaurant near Wang Nam Khiao :biggrin:

That Sa Kaeo route I for sure will not do at night because of the ?desolation? of some parts of that route, but I wouldn?t drive the ?Korat? route at night either. The signage on that road (where the roadworks are) are TERRIBLE, We even had (some) trouble (during the day) to see where you have to go so bad was the signage.

Does anyone know why they are building (on the Korat mountain road) two tunnels ? These tunnels even aren?t going through the mountain but are just covered road section (2-300 meters long). Will go and see if I can find a picture in my Dash Cam footage.

This is probably the answer to the tunnel
https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1032733-tunnel-linking-khao-yai-with-tap-lan-national-parks-to-be-open-temporarily-during-songkran/?utm_source=newsletter-20180408-0944&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on April 08, 2018, 01:38:02 PM

@Co-Co

No problem.

We have done the ?Sa Kaeo/Non din Daeng? route before, but my wife (she even doesn?t do the driving ;) ) prefers the ?Korat? route, because of a good restaurant near Wang Nam Khiao :biggrin:

That Sa Kaeo route I for sure will not do at night because of the ?desolation? of some parts of that route, but I wouldn?t drive the ?Korat? route at night either. The signage on that road (where the roadworks are) are TERRIBLE, We even had (some) trouble (during the day) to see where you have to go so bad was the signage.

Does anyone know why they are building (on the Korat mountain road) two tunnels ? These tunnels even aren?t going through the mountain but are just covered road section (2-300 meters long). Will go and see if I can find a picture in my Dash Cam footage.

This is probably the answer to the tunnel
https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1032733-tunnel-linking-khao-yai-with-tap-lan-national-parks-to-be-open-temporarily-during-songkran/?utm_source=newsletter-20180408-0944&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news (https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1032733-tunnel-linking-khao-yai-with-tap-lan-national-parks-to-be-open-temporarily-during-songkran/?utm_source=newsletter-20180408-0944&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news)


Also looks like they are building tunnels at the south part, unsure why.   


Still doesn't answer the question of why build the tunnels in the first place, no reason for a tunnel instead of a 4 lane road that I can determine.




Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: iammike on April 08, 2018, 02:44:28 PM
Thx @ PKCNick.

@Urleft that is a real good picture and I also have no idea why the tunnel. But TiT
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: mudcat on April 08, 2018, 04:03:24 PM
Snow sheds for avalanches like in the Sierras and Rocky Mountains?
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Smithy on April 08, 2018, 04:56:04 PM

Still doesn't answer the question of why build the tunnels in the first place, no reason for a tunnel instead of a 4 lane road that I can determine.

Apparently Khao Yai is a Unesco World Heritage Site and the Tunnels are to save wildlife on a section that cuts through Dong Phayayen-Khao Yai Forest Complex.  drivinggear
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Smithy on April 08, 2018, 05:40:23 PM
New Khao Yai 'corridor' must treat wildlife with care
Published: 20/03/2015 at 06:00 AM
Newspaper section: News
Fears that the Dong Phayayen-Khao Yai Forest Complex will be stripped of its World Heritage Site status have faded from public attention, but the case remains a pressing issue given its new bid to expand road construction.

Thailand is racing against time to submit all the documents to the Unesco World Heritage Committee in a bid to stop the site, which covers 3.84 million rai or 6,152 sq km in six provinces, namely Sara Buri, Nakhon  Nayok, Nakhon Ratchasima, Prachin Buri, Sa Kaeo and Buri Ram, from losing Unesco protection. The decision will be made by the World Heritage Committee at a meeting this June in Bonn, Germany.

In fact, it's more precise to say that the Dong Phayayen-Khao Yai Forest Complex, also known as the Forest Complex of the East, is an urgent problem, among others, including the poor management of the Ayutthaya historical site, and the controversial nomination of Kaeng Krachan National Park as a World Heritage Site, which is beset by land rights conflicts between forest authorities with indigenous forest dwellers and the alarming disappearance of Karen community leader and forest conservationist Porlajee "Billy" Rakchongcharoen on May 18 last year.

For the Dong Phayayen-Khao Yai Forest Complex, there remain a few contentious issues.

"The committee is concerned with the ongoing smuggling of rosewood, known as one of the priciest woods in the world, as well as the construction of a reservoir in Tablan National Park and Pang Sida National Park, part of the Dong Phayayen-Khao Yai forest complex," said Petch Manopawitr, deputy head of Southeast Asia Group at the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN).

The World Heritage Committee is also keeping tabs on the Department of Highway's plans to expand the 304 Highway running through the Dong Phayayen-Khao Yai Forest Complex. The development includes constructing the first wildlife corridor in Thailand at spots where wild animals have been frequently hit by vehicles. The wildlife corridor project is part of a pact the Thai government made with the Unesco World Heritage Committee when it was first nominated as a heritage site in 2005.

But the plan, which costs 2.99 billion baht, also involves road expansion, between two to four lanes, at a mountainous part of the 42nd-57th kilometre section. The department will call for bids on the project this year and construction is expected to start next year and be completed within three years.

The wildlife corridor will be erected at two spots on the highway: the 26th-29th km section and 42nd-57th km section. The first, which is regarded as a highly sensitive zone in Khao Yai National Park, will have an elevated flyover and a tunnel for vehicles. The second will feature an underpass that allows wild animals to move freely across.

The tunnel for wild animals is designed to mimic nature and so will be covered with earth and soil to help wildlife feel at home and not intimidated by the concrete structure.

Although conservationists generally oppose any form of construction in protected forests, they say the wildlife corridor project is more acceptable than road expansion. It is believed the tunnel will to help reduce wildlife deaths from vehicles along the 304 Highway.

Moreover, the 304 Highway has fragmented the forest complex, leading to inbreeding within animal groups as they are unable to migrate across the road to find non-familial mates.

Hannarong Yaowalers, a veteran environmental activist, is particularly concerned about environmental damage both during road construction and in the aftermath.

Mr Hannarong encouraged the Highway Department to allow conservation groups to help monitor the construction, especially since the area is not state property but is under the jurisdiction of Unesco as a World Heritage Site. But so far, the department has only commissioned business companies and consultants to monitor the project's environmental management.

In the long term, he said it's necessary for the department to track the movement of wildlife to evaluate whether the wildlife corridor will really work or not.The environmentalist is cautious about the impact of the construction work on wildlife and nature.

"I am afraid it is going to be just another construction project. Constructing here is not a matter to be taken lightly because the designated site involves vulnerable ecology," he said. "The Highway Department needs to be careful and ensure nature is well protected," he added.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/print/502979/
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on April 08, 2018, 07:09:00 PM


New Khao Yai 'corridor' must treat wildlife with care
Published: 20/03/2015 at 06:00 AM


The wildlife corridor will be erected at two spots on the highway: the 26th-29th km section and 42nd-57th km section. The first, which is regarded as a highly sensitive zone in Khao Yai National Park, will have an elevated flyover and a tunnel for vehicles. The second will feature an underpass that allows wild animals to move freely across.

The tunnel for wild animals is designed to mimic nature and so will be covered with earth and soil to help wildlife feel at home and not intimidated by the concrete structure.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/print/502979/ (https://www.bangkokpost.com/print/502979/)


Thx Smitty, almost makes sense. 

Easy to know where the 26th-29th km section is located  (i.e., the tunnel), have to think about the 42nd-57th km section.  I think a recall and elevated road section about 20 km N of the Tunnel which is probably the 2nd feature they are referencing.


And I thought that elevated section was because of the terrain.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: smoooth2 on April 09, 2018, 07:28:41 AM
The tunnels and high level bridge are apparently linked to preserving endangered wildlife in Khao Yai NP.

The construction company involved is Ital-Thai.

Bit ironic that Ital-Thai CEO is currently up to his neck in brown stuff regarding dead endangered animals.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: lucky1962 on April 20, 2018, 01:44:55 PM
1 tunnel is open for trafic now, last week i drove tru  thumbup thumbup
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on April 28, 2018, 09:40:14 AM
I understand that they will start to charge as from April. No idea how much for the short stretch from the 36 down but I was told that Bangkok / pattaya will go up from 60 to 100.

Mike

They are now charging 10 baht between 36 & Pattaya.   Do not know about other increases. 

Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: nanglong218 on April 28, 2018, 10:50:41 PM
The upgrade of the remaining single track 218 Buriram to Nang Rong is going well. Last week a crane lifted the bridge spans into place.  I'm hoping this rainfall won't stop work by bogging down the heavy plant.  When finished it is 55 kms of dual road, far safer than the mad house that 10km stretch is now.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on April 29, 2018, 07:23:35 AM
The upgrade of the remaining single track 218 Buriram to Nang Rong is going well. Last week a crane lifted the bridge spans into place.  I'm hoping this rainfall won't stop work by bogging down the heavy plant.  When finished it is 55 kms of dual road, far safer than the mad house that 10km stretch is now.

Nice to get back on topic "4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram".

Actually, I disagree with your comment above.

I have lived on the Buriram-NangRong road for more than 15 years. The majority of the accidents I have seen on this stretch have been on the 4 lane areas.

The accidents usually go something like this : Slow car driving in the outside lane. Doesn't react to flashing lights or the sounding of horns. Car behind has to pass on the inside lane. Someone coming out of a side road knows it's 4 lane so thinks it is OK to pull out into the inside lane and fast moving cars can go round them. Only problem is fast moving car can not pull out because the outside lane is full of slow moving cars.

Add to that that a 4 lane road means that some drivers feel they can drive a lot faster and even pull out into the oncoming traffic to overtake said slow car in outside lane. Until the local people understand the reasons for the local authorities building the 4 lanes, it will be just as or more dangerous than the 2 lane stretches.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: smoooth2 on April 29, 2018, 08:32:17 AM
The upgrade of the remaining single track 218 Buriram to Nang Rong is going well. Last week a crane lifted the bridge spans into place.  I'm hoping this rainfall won't stop work by bogging down the heavy plant.  When finished it is 55 kms of dual road, far safer than the mad house that 10km stretch is now.

Nice to get back on topic "4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram".

Actually, I disagree with your comment above.

I have lived on the Buriram-NangRong road for more than 15 years. The majority of the accidents I have seen on this stretch have been on the 4 lane areas.

The accidents usually go something like this : Slow car driving in the outside lane. Doesn't react to flashing lights or the sounding of horns. Car behind has to pass on the inside lane. Someone coming out of a side road knows it's 4 lane so thinks it is OK to pull out into the inside lane and fast moving cars can go round them. Only problem is fast moving car can not pull out because the outside lane is full of slow moving cars.

Add to that that a 4 lane road means that some drivers feel they can drive a lot faster and even pull out into the oncoming traffic to overtake said slow car in outside lane. Until the local people understand the reasons for the local authorities building the 4 lanes, it will be just as or more dangerous than the 2 lane stretches.

Starman. Whilst I agree with your assessment of poor driving techniques on 4 lane roads, I definately believe that 4 lanes is light years safer than any 2 lane stretch of highway.

The suicidal stuff that we've all seen by impatient drivers on 2 lane roads is truly scary.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on April 29, 2018, 08:50:13 AM
The upgrade of the remaining single track 218 Buriram to Nang Rong is going well. Last week a crane lifted the bridge spans into place.  I'm hoping this rainfall won't stop work by bogging down the heavy plant.  When finished it is 55 kms of dual road, far safer than the mad house that 10km stretch is now.

Nice to get back on topic "4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram".

Actually, I disagree with your comment above.

I have lived on the Buriram-NangRong road for more than 15 years. The majority of the accidents I have seen on this stretch have been on the 4 lane areas.

The accidents usually go something like this : Slow car driving in the outside lane. Doesn't react to flashing lights or the sounding of horns. Car behind has to pass on the inside lane. Someone coming out of a side road knows it's 4 lane so thinks it is OK to pull out into the inside lane and fast moving cars can go round them. Only problem is fast moving car can not pull out because the outside lane is full of slow moving cars.

Add to that that a 4 lane road means that some drivers feel they can drive a lot faster and even pull out into the oncoming traffic to overtake said slow car in outside lane. Until the local people understand the reasons for the local authorities building the 4 lanes, it will be just as or more dangerous than the 2 lane stretches.

Starman. Whilst I agree with your assessment of poor driving techniques on 4 lane roads, I definately believe that 4 lanes is light years safer than any 2 lane stretch of highway.

The suicidal stuff that we've all seen by impatient drivers on 2 lane roads is truly scary.

Like I said, I have lived on that road for more tha 15 years. At that time it was virtually all 2 lane. The only accidents were uually driver error on the corner coming towards Sakaeprong.

Now there are frequent accidents on the 4 lane part around 12kms to 9kms from Buriram.

I agree that in some cases, route 24 for example, needs a wider road because of traffic volume. The 218 has too many schools and side roads for the speeds that are being driven.

I drove/rode up and down the 219 about 200 times last year whilst going to Prakhonchai. Most of it is 2 lane. One of the safest roads I have driven.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on April 29, 2018, 09:30:56 AM
2 main problems highlighted by Starman.

1) Vehicles sticking to the outside lane of 4 lane roads (dual carriageways) and refusing to move over
2) Vehicles (mainly motorbikes) pulling out of side turns without slowing/stopping-or even looking

No 2) happens all the time, 1 or 2 lanes whilst my estimate is that in Isaan, around 50% of drivers stay in the outside lane. It always amuses and annoys me, that when someone in the outside lane has to undertake a slower vehicle in the outside lane, they immediately return to the outside lane.

Near misses do not concern said drivers, and they continue to repeat their errors/poor/dangerous driving.

There is no education, and they will not listen even if told.

Only solution (except it wont happen) is hefty fines for all motoring offences (I see no reason why  a minimum 5,000baht should not be applied - don't break the law and you don't pay) with vehicle confiscation in the more serious cases. Then, and only then, they may think twice

Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: jivvy on April 29, 2018, 04:27:42 PM
Quote
Only solution (except it wont happen) is hefty fines for all motoring offences (I see no reason why  a minimum 5,000baht should not be applied - don't break the law and you don't pay) with vehicle confiscation in the more serious cases. Then, and only then, they may think twice

 :D Unfortunately the B.I.B would have a field day with instant fines if that were to be applied.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: nanglong218 on April 29, 2018, 04:56:23 PM
Starman, I cannot agree with you that 4 lanes are less safe than two. I drive to Buriram @90 kph with no stress. The first 10km to Nang Rong I spend looking in the mirror for the loony with the big SUV, 6 foot from my arse, in hock to the bank for 7 years to buy this monster so everyone knows he's a man.

In the UK we called this "small penis syndrome", perhaps we should call it average penis syndrome here.                                           
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on April 29, 2018, 05:13:22 PM
Starman, I cannot agree with you that 4 lanes are less safe than two. I drive to Buriram @90 kph with no stress. The first 10km to Nang Rong I spend looking in the mirror for the loony with the big SUV, 6 foot from my arse, in hock to the bank for 7 years to buy this monster so everyone knows he's a man.

In the UK we called this "small penis syndrome", perhaps we should call it average penis syndrome here.                                           

Indeed at 90kmh there is no stress. But, like I said, many people look at the big wide road and go a lot faster. I have seen people driving past the end of our road, and subsequently past my daughter's school, at speeds well in excess of 120. That did not happen when the road was only 2 lanes.

Waiting to turn right into our  village the cars,trucks, lorries and like are often coming down the road 3 a breast with the outside car doing a great speed on my side of the road. This did not happen when the road was only 2 lanes.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: nanglong218 on April 29, 2018, 06:23:14 PM
The Thais have no monopoly on lunacy. When i arrived in Australia I was shocked by the lack of lane discipline.  Slow cars in the fast lane which is close to a hanging offence in UK where undertaking is a serious offence.  Different standards apply.
What really scared me ten years ago was a bus slowly overtaking a truck with another coming ever closer in the opposite direction.  Give me 4 lanes.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on April 29, 2018, 07:52:53 PM
What I believe is being missed is that the amount of cars of the road in the past 15 years has probably increased 10 fold (or more).  More vehicles = more road problems, especially when limited to 2 lane roads. 

For example in 2010 we bought a Ford Ranger, I would guess then that maybe 1 out of 20 trucks would be a Ford.  Now it is probably closer to 1 out of 3. 

And Bangkok traffic has increased to point of constant gridlock, used to be able drive there during the day, not now. 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on April 29, 2018, 08:35:57 PM
What I believe is being missed is that the amount of cars of the road in the past 15 years has probably increased 10 fold (or more).  More vehicles = more road problems, especially when limited to 2 lane roads. 

For example in 2010 we bought a Ford Ranger, I would guess then that maybe 1 out of 20 trucks would be a Ford.  Now it is probably closer to 1 out of 3. 

And Bangkok traffic has increased to point of constant gridlock, used to be able drive there during the day, not now. 


Just about doubled.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on April 29, 2018, 08:41:17 PM

What I believe is being missed is that the amount of cars of the road in the past 15 years has probably increased 10 fold (or more).  More vehicles = more road problems, especially when limited to 2 lane roads. 

For example in 2010 we bought a Ford Ranger, I would guess then that maybe 1 out of 20 trucks would be a Ford.  Now it is probably closer to 1 out of 3. 

And Bangkok traffic has increased to point of constant gridlock, used to be able drive there during the day, not now. 


Not even doubled.

And as usual not a reference to backup your statement.  Prove it. 



Oops, looks like there is "
"Not even doubled" vs "Just about doubled"   
More double speech? 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on April 29, 2018, 09:35:13 PM

What I believe is being missed is that the amount of cars of the road in the past 15 years has probably increased 10 fold (or more).  More vehicles = more road problems, especially when limited to 2 lane roads. 

For example in 2010 we bought a Ford Ranger, I would guess then that maybe 1 out of 20 trucks would be a Ford.  Now it is probably closer to 1 out of 3. 

And Bangkok traffic has increased to point of constant gridlock, used to be able drive there during the day, not now. 


Not even doubled.

And as usual not a reference to backup your statement.  Prove it. 



Oops, looks like there is "
"Not even doubled" vs "Just about doubled"   
More double speech? 

Sorry about that. I got my sums wrong first time.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thailand-now-has-more-than-37-million-registered-cars/

Figures for 2017 not release yet but about 2.5m produced, but no sales figures.






Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on April 29, 2018, 09:49:25 PM




What I believe is being missed is that the amount of cars of the road in the past 15 years has probably increased 10 fold (or more).  More vehicles = more road problems, especially when limited to 2 lane roads. 

For example in 2010 we bought a Ford Ranger, I would guess then that maybe 1 out of 20 trucks would be a Ford.  Now it is probably closer to 1 out of 3. 

And Bangkok traffic has increased to point of constant gridlock, used to be able drive there during the day, not now. 


Not even doubled.

And as usual not a reference to backup your statement.  Prove it. 



Oops, looks like there is "
"Not even doubled" vs "Just about doubled"   
More double speech? 

Sorry about that. I got my sums wrong first time.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thailand-now-has-more-than-37-million-registered-cars/ (http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/thailand-now-has-more-than-37-million-registered-cars/)

Figures for 2017 not release yet but about 2.5m produced, but no sales figures.








For once we fully agree, you are sorry. 

However, I fail to understand your graph. 

1.  How many vehicles were registered in Thailand in 2003?   

2.  How Many vehicles are now registered in Thailand in 2018?   (no, not new vehicles registered, total vehicles). 

Your reference fails to address that question.  According to you it is less than double. 

BTW I fully realize that being British you do not understand the English Language.  So your statement: 

"Not even doubled"  means less than twice.   

and your statement:   

"Just about doubled"   also means less than twice. 

So you made two statements that mean the same thing.  What exactly are you trying to say? 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on April 29, 2018, 10:01:33 PM

What I believe is being missed is that the amount of cars of the road in the past 15 years has probably increased 10 fold (or more).  More vehicles = more road problems, especially when limited to 2 lane roads. 

For example in 2010 we bought a Ford Ranger, I would guess then that maybe 1 out of 20 trucks would be a Ford.  Now it is probably closer to 1 out of 3. 

And Bangkok traffic has increased to point of constant gridlock, used to be able drive there during the day, not now. 


Not even doubled.

And as usual not a reference to backup your statement.  Prove it. 



Oops, looks like there is "
"Not even doubled" vs "Just about doubled"   
More double speech? 

For once we fully agree, you are sorry. 

However, I fail to understand your graph. 

1.  How many vehicles were registered in Thailand in 2003?   

2.  How Many vehicles are now registered in Thailand in 2018?   (no, not new vehicles registered, total vehicles). 

Your reference fails to address that question.  According to you it is less than double. 

BTW I fully realize that being British you do not understand the English Language.  So your statement: 

"Not even doubled"  means less than twice.   

and your statement:   

"Just about doubled"   also means less than twice. 

So you made two statements that mean the same thing.  What exactly are you trying to say? 

Not even doubled means less. Just about doubled means more. It is not my fault that you cannot read graphs. 2001 is clearly noted as is 2004. I would guess that 2003 will be the column just to the left of 2004.That shows 25 million. 2016 was 37 million. 2017 the production level was at about 2.5 million.

So ( are you sitting comfortably). 37m (approx) + 2.5m (approx) is 39.5 million. That is not even double the 25m total vehicles in 2003. If you look at "cars" which is what you actually said, so not including motorcycles, the figures are about 7m in 2003 compared to 15m (approx) in 2017. Just about double.

Cannot have figures for 2108 as we are only in the 4th month.

Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on April 29, 2018, 10:56:19 PM
OK,

How may total cars (not just new registered) were registered in Thailand in 2003?

And how many total cars (not just new registered) are now registered in 2018? 

I cannot gather that data from your graph or reference. 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: nanglong218 on April 30, 2018, 08:03:07 PM
Yawn.... I'm still wondering how many angels can dance on a pinhead.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Smithy on April 30, 2018, 08:34:59 PM
Yawn.... I'm still wondering how many angels can dance on a pinhead.

 :biggrin:

Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: nanglong218 on May 01, 2018, 10:06:49 PM
You and I must meet for a drink sometime. Holy water of course.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Adam on May 02, 2018, 05:02:27 AM
Of the registered cars, how many have been repossessed and how many are "parked" outside of police stations in bits?

Some people are very pedantic and seem to have too much time on their hands!!

Bottom line, drive carefully boys, there are a lot of idiots out there.
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: vpi78 on May 03, 2018, 07:02:28 AM
Anyone that has driven on 2-lane roads in Thailand during sugar cane harvesting season, especially in northern Isaan, would laugh at the proposition that 2-lane roads are 'safer.'
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: iammike on June 02, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
<snip>
Taking 'soi minibus' (359/33) to Wattana Nakhon then left to Non Din Dang/Lahansai is my preferred route. Dual carriageway to Wattana Nakhon then a decent single carriageway after that.

Co-Co, question If I may.

When coming from Wattana Nakhon going towards Nang Rong, I believe you go right after Non Din Daeng (at that fork) towards Lahan Sai. Correct ??

If yes, is that road (the 2120 the 224 and 2445) in a good condition ??

We have to go to Pattaya again this week and thus I want to try out that road.

Thx
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: mike on June 04, 2018, 07:24:33 AM
<snip>
Taking 'soi minibus' (359/33) to Wattana Nakhon then left to Non Din Dang/Lahansai is my preferred route. Dual carriageway to Wattana Nakhon then a decent single carriageway after that.

Co-Co, question If I may.

When coming from Wattana Nakhon going towards Nang Rong, I believe you go right after Non Din Daeng (at that fork) towards Lahan Sai. Correct ??

If yes, is that road (the 2120 the 224 and 2445) in a good condition ??

We have to go to Pattaya again this week and thus I want to try out that road.

Thx

Yes it is in good condition. I regularly use that road between NDD and LHS and it is fine.

Mike
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: urleft on July 12, 2018, 10:26:30 AM
The 4 lane to Satuek (Buriram Airport BFV) should be mostly completed in the next 30 days.  However I expect a bottleneck to continue at an unfinished bridge for probably 60 days. 
Title: Re: 4 Lanes, better roads around Buriram
Post by: Starman on July 12, 2018, 10:57:13 AM
The 4 lane to Satuek (Buriram Airport BFV) should be mostly completed in the next 30 days.  However I expect a bottleneck to continue at an unfinished bridge for probably 60 days. 


I traveled that route yesterday. I agree that the route could possibly be 4 lanes within your timescales but, as soon as that is done they will need to start closing the older parts down to two lanes for repairs.