Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Smithy on June 24, 2021, 02:24:59 PM
-
Who is getting Vaccinated ?
This is a private poll ( I think ) , lets see the general consensus on Vaccines :biggrin:
Results will be shown after you have voted.
Please comment further if you wish ...... after you have voted :)
-
I recently had my first sinovac jab, wasn't the vaccine I wanted but was available and my thoughts were some protection is better than none. What I now intend to do is have the second then wait for three months and, if readily available, get the Astrazenica jab.
-
You might have the voting option for the Buriram expats who have already received both vaccinations.
-
Although only 6 people have voted so for there seems to be a 50/50 split on those that have/want or dont want a vaccine jab
I did see on FOX NEWS So far they've received over 300k safety reports. ( So in the US )
Over 6000 deaths reports and over 20k hospitalizations from the covid vaccine alone.
Its seems many of the MSM outlets and Online FACT CHECKERS ( I call left wing propaganda ) don't want you to know this
Although I'm 61 and in the high risk group ( over 60's ) I have no underlying health conditions ( apart from a slightly enlarged prostrate so I may be full of piss :laugh: ) , don't drink or smoke. exercise regularly and try to keep my immune system boosted with a healthy diet , so I think I'll wait for a while before I think about a vaccination for covid.
BTW We had 2 cases of Covid in our Village last week ( 2 young college girls coming home from Bangkok ,1 with a slight fever and one being asymptomatic ) 14 others that had close contact are now on a 14 day isolation program , none have shown any syptoms yet !!
-
Total Members Voted: 9
Please make sure you vote ( it is private ) so we can get a general consensus
So far its roughly 4 have or want the Vaccine and 5 are sceptical about the Vaccine , even though the MSM will tell you otherwise
-
Had my first pfizer injection in norway 2 weeks ago.
No problem at all.
Nxt 27 july.
Most countries vaccinate the oldest part and sick people first. So nothing strange that some will die later.
More dangerous driving in thailand.
Dont worry-be happy, sooner or later we will die anyway :-)
-
Had my first pfizer injection in norway 2 weeks ago.
No problem at all.
Nxt 27 july.
Most countries vaccinate the oldest part and sick people first. So nothing strange that some will die later.
More dangerous driving in thailand.
Some older people do have some adverse reactions but in the US it's the younger people having the Vaccine that is the cause for most concern
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-covid-vaccine-dangerous-kids-big-tech
Dont worry-be happy, sooner or later we will die anyway :-)
Couldn't agree more , if Covid dont get you there are many more things that are far more dangerous than the China Virus IMHO. There are things you can do to increase your longevity if you make the effort but unfotunaly it takes a little more gumption than getting a jab in your arm or taking Meds so you dont need to change your sedate lazy lifestile
-
Although only 6 people have voted so for there seems to be a 50/50 split on those that have/want or dont want a vaccine jab
I did see on FOX NEWS So far they've received over 300k safety reports. ( So in the US )
Over 6000 deaths reports and over 20k hospitalizations from the covid vaccine alone.
Its seems many of the MSM outlets and Online FACT CHECKERS ( I call left wing propaganda ) don't want you to know this
Although I'm 61 and in the high risk group ( over 60's ) I have no underlying health conditions ( apart from a slightly enlarged prostrate so I may be full of piss :laugh: ) , don't drink or smoke. exercise regularly and try to keep my immune system boosted with a healthy diet , so I think I'll wait for a while before I think about a vaccination for covid.
BTW We had 2 cases of Covid in our Village last week ( 2 young college girls coming home from Bangkok ,1 with a slight fever and one being asymptomatic ) 14 others that had close contact are now on a 14 day isolation program , none have shown any syptoms yet !!
I think a lot of the stories about vaccine issues is propaganda. Here in UK I have had 2 doses of Astra Zeneca. I felt, and still feel, absolutely fine. I had a bit of a sore arm for a day but nothing really to worry about.
I, personally, have not heard of anyone who has had any worse than a sore arm and a 12 hour sniffle. Local news not reported anything. National news too.
-
Had my first pfizer injection in norway 2 weeks ago.
No problem at all.
Nxt 27 july.
Most countries vaccinate the oldest part and sick people first. So nothing strange that some will die later.
More dangerous driving in thailand.
Some older people do have some adverse reactions but in the US it's the younger people having the Vaccine that is the cause for most concern
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-covid-vaccine-dangerous-kids-big-tech
Dont worry-be happy, sooner or later we will die anyway :-)
Couldn't agree more , if Covid dont get you there are many more things that are far more dangerous than the China Virus IMHO. There are things you can do to increase your longevity if you make the effort but unfotunaly it takes a little more gumption than getting a jab in your arm or taking Meds so you dont need to change your sedate lazy lifestile
Oink Oink :D :D :D
-
I've had 2 doses of AZ. Wife and daughter have had 2 of Pfizer. Mum and Dad had 2 AZ. Brother had 2 AZ.
All feeling fine. Don't know of anyone who has had any adverse issues.
-
I think a lot of the stories about vaccine issues is propaganda. Here in UK I have had 2 doses of Astra Zeneca. I felt, and still feel, absolutely fine. I had a bit of a sore arm for a day but nothing really to worry about.
I, personally, have not heard of anyone who has had any worse than a sore arm and a 12 hour sniffle. Local news not reported anything. National news too.
I think it all depends on where you get your info from . Everybody seems so polarized these days .
I could say the same thing and say I don't know anyone that has died from Covid and only see the figures that are posted daily on the MSM . Anybody that has different views for the MSM are told they are conspiracy theorists ( conspiracy theorist is the new phrase from the left to take over from 'You're a racist' " ) when they want to shut you up . I remember when this Covid first started and anyone that said it started in the Wuhan Lab was banned from social media .Now its common rhetoric so say so and believed to be the truth by many .
-
Oink Oink :D :D :D
Cheers Dave for pointing out the typo , I'll take it on the chin :biggrin:
But unlike you I'm not a English Lecturer at a Uni , but it does make me smile when I'm on SF and you put your foot in your mouth with one of your spelling mistakes and SF members take the piss :laugh:
-
I think a lot of the stories about vaccine issues is propaganda. Here in UK I have had 2 doses of Astra Zeneca. I felt, and still feel, absolutely fine. I had a bit of a sore arm for a day but nothing really to worry about.
I, personally, have not heard of anyone who has had any worse than a sore arm and a 12 hour sniffle. Local news not reported anything. National news too.
I think it all depends on where you get your info from . Everybody seems so polarized these days .
I could say the same thing and say I don't know anyone that has died from Covid and only see the figures that are posted daily on the MSM . Anybody that has different views for the MSM are told they are conspiracy theorists ( conspiracy theorist is the new phrase from the left to take over from 'You're a racist' " ) when they want to shut you up . I remember when this Covid first started and anyone that said it started in the Wuhan Lab was banned from social media .Now its common rhetoric so say so and believed to be the truth by many .
I get my info from the best place. Personal experience. Family, friends, friends of friends, work mates, friends and family of work mates,etc.
-
I think a lot of the stories about vaccine issues is propaganda. Here in UK I have had 2 doses of Astra Zeneca. I felt, and still feel, absolutely fine. I had a bit of a sore arm for a day but nothing really to worry about.
I, personally, have not heard of anyone who has had any worse than a sore arm and a 12 hour sniffle. Local news not reported anything. National news too.
I think it all depends on where you get your info from . Everybody seems so polarized these days .
I could say the same thing and say I don't know anyone that has died from Covid and only see the figures that are posted daily on the MSM . Anybody that has different views for the MSM are told they are conspiracy theorists ( conspiracy theorist is the new phrase from the left to take over from 'You're a racist' " ) when they want to shut you up . I remember when this Covid first started and anyone that said it started in the Wuhan Lab was banned from social media .Now its common rhetoric so say so and believed to be the truth by many .
I get my info from the best place. Personal experience. Family, friends, friends of friends, work mates, friends and family of work mates,etc.
So you dont read MSM News ::)
To be honest, there has hardly been any bad press here in UK regarding any of the major Covid19 vaccines.
-
Total Members Voted: 9
Please make sure you vote ( it is private ) so we can get a general consensus
So far its roughly 4 have or want the Vaccine and 5 are sceptical about the Vaccine , even though the MSM will tell you otherwise
Total Members Voted: 10
5 have or want the Vaccine and 5 are sceptical about the Vaccine..so still a 50/50 split :)
-
I think a lot of the stories about vaccine issues is propaganda. Here in UK I have had 2 doses of Astra Zeneca. I felt, and still feel, absolutely fine. I had a bit of a sore arm for a day but nothing really to worry about.
I, personally, have not heard of anyone who has had any worse than a sore arm and a 12 hour sniffle. Local news not reported anything. National news too.
I think it all depends on where you get your info from . Everybody seems so polarized these days .
I could say the same thing and say I don't know anyone that has died from Covid and only see the figures that are posted daily on the MSM . Anybody that has different views for the MSM are told they are conspiracy theorists ( conspiracy theorist is the new phrase from the left to take over from 'You're a racist' " ) when they want to shut you up . I remember when this Covid first started and anyone that said it started in the Wuhan Lab was banned from social media .Now its common rhetoric so say so and believed to be the truth by many .
I get my info from the best place. Personal experience. Family, friends, friends of friends, work mates, friends and family of work mates,etc.
So you dont read MSM News ::)
To be honest, there has hardly been any bad press here in UK regarding any of the major Covid19 vaccines.
Of course I see the news. Difficult not to.
I do, however, take more notice of what is around me. Couple the two together and I can confirm that I have heard very little about issues with vaccines.
Of course there will be some. When you have vaccinated over 40 million people there are bound to be a minute percentage of those that have side effects.
Like I said in a previous post, I drink more alcohol than the recommended weekly limit. That probably does me more damage than a pesky vaccine will. Am I going to stop drinking? NO NO NO. smilebar
-
What I find is quite telling is although the poll is roughly a 50/50 split the only Forum Members that have posted ( so far ) are those signalling to say they have had the vaccine will no ill effects or want to be vaccinated ( apart from Nobby who never brings much to the table apart his lack of wit )
Those that are unsure or don't go along with the mainstream narrative , where on places like Facebook ,Twitter ( not that I go on there much ) YouTube and Google you are 'Fact Checked or Banned ' for not towing the Covid/Vanccine Party line . ( by the way 'who fact checks the fact checkers (https://www.anhinternational.org/news/who-s-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/))
It's as if the anti-vaccers keep their heads below the parapet so as not to be ostracized by the righteous sheeple
So it would be nice for a few of those members to post their reasons why they are not having the jab.
BTW ... I voted ' I will only get vaccinated if I'm forced to for travel or Visa reasons!. I would succumb to the jab if it meant I could no longer travel to some of my favored places or was refused a visa to stay here .
-
Some older people do have some adverse reactions but in the US it's the younger people having the Vaccine that is the cause for most concern
http://youtu.be/ogA-U3Fy6ww
-
What I find is quite telling is although the poll is roughly a 50/50 split the only Forum Members that have posted ( so far ) are those signalling to say they have had the vaccine will no ill effects or want to be vaccinated ( apart from Nobby who never brings much to the table apart his lack of wit )
Those that are unsure or don't go along with the mainstream narrative , where on places like Facebook ,Twitter ( not that I go on there much ) YouTube and Google you are 'Fact Checked or Banned ' for not towing the Covid/Vanccine Party line . ( by the way 'who fact checks the fact checkers (https://www.anhinternational.org/news/who-s-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/))
It's as if the anti-vaccers keep their heads below the parapet so as not to be ostracized by the righteous sheeple
So it would be nice for a few of those members to post their reasons why they are not having the jab.
BTW ... I voted ' I will only get vaccinated if I'm forced to for travel or Visa reasons!. I would succumb to the jab if it meant I could no longer travel to some of my favored places or was refused a visa to stay here .
I don't believe it is as close as you make it. I and one other poster have commented that we have had both jobs. Nothing in the poll for that scenario.2 pollsters said they will wait. 2 others said they will if they had to. None said they don't want it. At best you have a 10/2 split of anti vaxxers.
-
What I find is quite telling is although the poll is roughly a 50/50 split the only Forum Members that have posted ( so far ) are those signalling to say they have had the vaccine will no ill effects or want to be vaccinated ( apart from Nobby who never brings much to the table apart his lack of wit )
Those that are unsure or don't go along with the mainstream narrative , where on places like Facebook ,Twitter ( not that I go on there much ) YouTube and Google you are 'Fact Checked or Banned ' for not towing the Covid/Vanccine Party line . ( by the way 'who fact checks the fact checkers (https://www.anhinternational.org/news/who-s-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/))
It's as if the anti-vaccers keep their heads below the parapet so as not to be ostracized by the righteous sheeple
So it would be nice for a few of those members to post their reasons why they are not having the jab.
BTW ... I voted ' I will only get vaccinated if I'm forced to for travel or Visa reasons!. I would succumb to the jab if it meant I could no longer travel to some of my favored places or was refused a visa to stay here .
I don't believe it is as close as you make it. I and one other poster have commented that we have had both jobs. Nothing in the poll for that scenario.2 pollsters said they will wait. 2 others said they will if they had to. None said they don't want it. At best you have a 10/2 split of anti vaxxers.
Remember I voted ' I will only get vaccinated if I'm forced to for travel or Visa reasons!. So I'm not a hard core anti-vaxxer persa ,but I am sceptical. In fact no one on the forum so far is a anti-vaxxer ( I was wrong to have used that term in the post above ) as nobody has voted for the "I dont want a vaccine , I'm not a Guinea Pig!! " option yet . Lets just say its a 50/50 split for those the have/would to those that are sceptical/want to wait :)
-
What I find is quite telling is although the poll is roughly a 50/50 split the only Forum Members that have posted ( so far ) are those signalling to say they have had the vaccine will no ill effects or want to be vaccinated ( apart from Nobby who never brings much to the table apart his lack of wit )
Those that are unsure or don't go along with the mainstream narrative , where on places like Facebook ,Twitter ( not that I go on there much ) YouTube and Google you are 'Fact Checked or Banned ' for not towing the Covid/Vanccine Party line . ( by the way 'who fact checks the fact checkers (https://www.anhinternational.org/news/who-s-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/))
It's as if the anti-vaccers keep their heads below the parapet so as not to be ostracized by the righteous sheeple
So it would be nice for a few of those members to post their reasons why they are not having the jab.
BTW ... I voted ' I will only get vaccinated if I'm forced to for travel or Visa reasons!. I would succumb to the jab if it meant I could no longer travel to some of my favored places or was refused a visa to stay here .
I don't believe it is as close as you make it. I and one other poster have commented that we have had both jobs. Nothing in the poll for that scenario.2 pollsters said they will wait. 2 others said they will if they had to. None said they don't want it. At best you have a 10/2 split of anti vaxxers.
Remember I voted ' I will only get vaccinated if I'm forced to for travel or Visa reasons!. So I'm not a hard core anti-vaxxer persa ,but I am sceptical. In fact no one on the forum so far is a anti-vaxxer ( I was wrong to have used that term in the post above ) as nobody has voted for the "I dont want a vaccine , I'm not a Guinea Pig!! " option yet . Lets just say its a 50/50 split for those the have/would to those that are sceptical/want to wait :)
If you include the two posters that have had their 2 jabs already, it is more like 10/5.
The two that want to wait??? It would be interesting to see if those two are waiting to see what is happening or just waiting for an AZ jab or at least something different to the Chinese one. The latter would make more sense. Just look at the figures in the UK, and most other western countries. The take up is huge and those declining a vaccince pales into insignificance .
-
I like John Collins :)
Quote ..." Working for the Chinese, go on I'll say it " :laugh:
http://youtu.be/UqqzjlOmZAg
-
I like John Collins :)
Quote ..." Working for the Chinese, go on I'll say it " :laugh:
http://youtu.be/UqqzjlOmZAg
I got bored after 2 minutes. He's just repeating himself.
-
I like John Collins :)
Quote ..." Working for the Chinese, go on I'll say it " :laugh:
http://youtu.be/UqqzjlOmZAg
I got bored after 2 minutes. He's just repeating himself.
Try this one :laugh:
http://youtu.be/XZIg5T9a-JY
-
I like John Collins :)
Quote ..." Working for the Chinese, go on I'll say it " :laugh:
http://youtu.be/UqqzjlOmZAg
I got bored after 2 minutes. He's just repeating himself.
Try this one :laugh:
http://youtu.be/XZIg5T9a-JY
To be honest, I just don't see the point in all of these videos and posts. Social media is full of it. It doesn't serve a purpose and it certainly has nothing to do with vaccines.
I've read that opposition parties and certain groups have suggested it will make people run out and break the rules also. How childish would that be?
Follow the leader, so to speak. This is likely the same bunch that think it is all a scam and the vaccines have micro chips in them. It seems some people follow when it suits and don't when it doesn't.
So, this bloke had a canoodle at work. I was under the impression that 2 households could mix. How many households does 2 people amount to?
I think the worse situation is that he is married as is she. I also think that is what they both will be thinking about more than not social distancing.
Let's face it, if everyone had social distanced and taken the vaccine when they were offered, the Delta variant likely wouldn't have been increasing.
-
So, Matt Hancock has resigned.
Does this mean that all those people who have done something wrong at work are going to resign too? They were going to copy is actions before, remember?
-
I succumbed to the pfizer yesterday and have some side effect to report !!
flushing (warmth, redness or tingly feeling),
headache,
dizziness,
blurred vision,
changes in color of my vision,
sleep problems (insomnia),
runny or stuffy nose,
and I was very stiff :laugh:
-
So, Matt Hancock has resigned.
Does this mean that all those people who have done something wrong at work are going to resign too? They were going to copy is actions before, remember?
I remember when a Mod on a local forum got caught shagging another expats wife , he had to resign as well . :laugh:
Matt Hancock had to resign for obvious reason that I'm sure dont need to be explained. But like that 'Mod' I'm sure Matt will be back once the flames have died down to carry on being a pratt ::)
-
oldmanwithstick
-
Lets just say its a 50/50 split for those the have/would to those that are sceptical/want to wait :)
From the amount of whining going on about how the British Embassy aren't acting on the vaccine delay for expats, I would say the figures are nowhere near 50/50 nationally. More like 90/10.
-
party3
-
Well i voted to wait,, other country's might put restrictions on entry according to what vaccine you have received,
and we like to visit New eland (digit not working) quite often. party3
9
-
I had a routine appointment today at Buriram General Hospital.
While there I was offered a vaccine jab.
Happily accepted and bish, bash, bosh - all done.
No queues, no hassle. Thank you Thailand.
Return September for second dose.
So I have changed from only when forced, to have had it.
-
You didn't say what vaccine you received love3
-
You didn't say what vaccine you received love3
My guess the だ one character5
-
This is Bob Manthey. When I spoke face to face last Wednesday with my wife's primary physician at the Buriram Government Hospital she was clear that patients, both Thai citizens and non-citizens over a certain age would be given AstraZeneca as a matter of course. At the hospital that day, people UNDER a certain age would be given Sinovac. The Doctor also stated that selected medical conditions could change what a person would receive at the Buriram Government Hospital. There were over 10 "Farang" names on the list to receive vaccinations at the Buriram Government hospital on Tuesday according to a fellow expat, under the age of 60 who received his vaccination yesterday. He had reserved a "place on the list" the previous week at the Buriram Government Hospital. He was able to receive a Buriram Government Hospital card based on his USA passport. Different day, different experiences, as Dimple Joe, was able to be offered the vaccination and receive it with no prior arrangement. Much the same as my personal experience was not the same as some other expats on the quest to obtain the vaccination in the Government system.
-
I didn't ask and didn't care what was on offer.
Just happy to avoid the long hot queues at the stadium.
They were canvassing around the hospital drumming up business.
Checked the paperwork and find I was given..............
-
I didn't ask and didn't care what was on offer.
Just happy to avoid the long hot queues at the stadium.
They were canvassing around the hospital drumming up business.
Checked the paperwork and find I was given..............
:D :D :D :D
-
Tassie would have loved this one ( but I'm sure he's looking in ;) )
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AlBKUM3IAm6a
-
Tassie would have loved this one ( but I'm sure he's looking in ;) )
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AlBKUM3IAm6a
Maybe you are right, but I don’t believe he had a real opinion on the subject.
I don’t think it was a coincidence that he started posting about the dangers of vaccines immediately after I posted June 29th that I’d had it.
As for the video, just like the figures, graphs and charts from governments ‘experts’ and the media - I don’t believe any of it.
-
Maybe you are right, but I don?t believe he had a real opinion on the subject.
I don?t think it was a coincidence that he started posting about the dangers of vaccines immediately after I posted June 29th that I?d had it.
I dont know him but if you read his previous his views they were always abit anti MSM / anti vaccine . He may well have done what you have suggested ......who knows ? But he was aggressive in his replies to anyone that doubted what he said was true :)
As for the video, just like the figures, graphs and charts from governments ?experts? and the media - I don?t believe any of it.
Thats your choice . I'm of the view nobody knows what the outcome will be in 5 years time ? Even you posted a meme " Did you or one of your loved ones take the vaccine ? If you look into some the vaccine suppliers track records it could be closer to the truth than you realize. list here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements
Also you have to ask yourself why so many scientists and doctors are at loggerheads over pandemic measures and vaccines.Like most things in life it should be down to people making their own risk assessment on what drugs/vaccines they put in their bodies. As for the Covid vaccines I'm not telling anybody not to take it if thats their choice but personally I'm still not sure , so I think I will wait a bit ;)
-
It seems that one of the main worries about some vaccines is the possibility of blood clots, the odds vary but it appears between 800,000 to one and 200,000 to one chance of having one. For those doubters ask yourself a question, if I had an arthritic hip or knee and needed surgery so I could walk again what would I do, have replacement surgery or be in pain and unable to walk properly for the rest of my life.
You are told before this surgery that the likelihood of a blood clot is 100 to 1 for knees and 200 to 1 for hips. I have had two replacement hip operations and the choice was a no brainer, so the odds for clots after covid vaccine don't seem that bad, shorter odds just to walk again and longer odds to possibly help you live longer.
At the end of the day it is down to the individual, for me the choice was easy, I have had my first two jabs and provisionally booked for a booster in October.
-
Ivermectin ::)
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2021/06/india-could-sentence-who-chief-scientist-to-death-for-misleading-over-ivermectin-and-killing-indians.html
Watch a few of the You Tubes at the bottom of the link ( Joe Rogan ;) )
-
At the end of the day it is down to the individual, for me the choice was easy, I have had my first two jabs and provisionally booked for a booster in October.
You are totally correct ...... people should be able to make their own risk assessment on what they do or have put into there bodies .
-
At the end of the day it is down to the individual, for me the choice was easy, I have had my first two jabs and provisionally booked for a booster in October.
You are totally correct ...... people should be able to make their own risk assessment on what they do or have put into there bodies .
To quote Herbert Spencer "survival of the fittest".
Judging by worldwide figures from many sources, the fittest appear to be those who are vaccinated.
-
Ivermectin ::)
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2021/06/india-could-sentence-who-chief-scientist-to-death-for-misleading-over-ivermectin-and-killing-indians.html
Watch a few of the You Tubes at the bottom of the link ( Joe Rogan ;) )
It seems that one of the main worries about some vaccines is the possibility of blood clots, the odds vary but it appears between 800,000 to one and 200,000 to one chance of having one. For those doubters ask yourself a question, if I had an arthritic hip or knee and needed surgery so I could walk again what would I do, have replacement surgery or be in pain and unable to walk properly for the rest of my life.
You are told before this surgery that the likelihood of a blood clot is 100 to 1 for knees and 200 to 1 for hips. I have had two replacement hip operations and the choice was a no brainer, so the odds for clots after covid vaccine don't seem that bad, shorter odds just to walk again and longer odds to possibly help you live longer.
At the end of the day it is down to the individual, for me the choice was easy, I have had my first two jabs and provisionally booked for a booster in October.
I knew someone who had hip surgery here in Thailand following an accident and sadly died from a blood clot. I recently had to undergo heart surgery, where the risk of blood clot was raised. I decided that being on blood thinners would help (my opinion) and went ahead with surgery. I am still here to tell the tale.
-
I knew someone who had hip surgery here in Thailand following an accident and sadly died from a blood clot. I recently had to undergo heart surgery, where the risk of blood clot was raised. I decided that being on blood thinners would help (my opinion) and went ahead with surgery. I am still here to tell the tale.
Please to hear that Nick. Stay safe!
-
At the end of the day it is down to the individual, for me the choice was easy, I have had my first two jabs and provisionally booked for a booster in October.
You are totally correct ...... people should be able to make their own risk assessment on what they do or have put into there bodies .
To quote Herbert Spencer "survival of the fittest".
Judging by worldwide figures from many sources, the fittest appear to be those who are vaccinated.
"survival of the fittest" is correct
For those dying of covid a large percentage are those are over 65 ( with the largest group being those over 80 ) with 2 or more underlying conditions . So if you are over 65 and a bit unhealthy I would suggest you get the vaccine too , as the stats shows it works for this group .Whether we should be vaccinating kids or people under 40 with no health issues then that's debatable , from the stats i've seen .Maybe for the later group Ivermectin if they show simptons ?
-
At the end of the day it is down to the individual, for me the choice was easy, I have had my first two jabs and provisionally booked for a booster in October.
You are totally correct ...... people should be able to make their own risk assessment on what they do or have put into there bodies .
To quote Herbert Spencer "survival of the fittest".
Judging by worldwide figures from many sources, the fittest appear to be those who are vaccinated.
"survival of the fittest" is correct
For those dying of covid a large percentage are those are over 65 ( with the largest group being those over 80 ) with 2 or more underlying conditions . So if you are over 65 and a bit unhealthy I would suggest you get the vaccine too , as the stats shows it works for this group .Whether we should be vaccinating kids or people under 40 with no health issues then that's debatable , from the stats i've seen .Maybe for the later group Ivermectin if they show simptons ?
Whilst I agree the Covid19 figures of illness and death show a higher percentage of elder people or those with underlying conditions as victims, post vaccination figures are simply split into two groups. Those vaccinated and those not. The percentage of those that are fully vaccinated entering hospital with covid19 are vastly lower than those who are unvaccinated.
-
At the end of the day it is down to the individual, for me the choice was easy, I have had my first two jabs and provisionally booked for a booster in October.
You are totally correct ...... people should be able to make their own risk assessment on what they do or have put into there bodies .
To quote Herbert Spencer "survival of the fittest".
Judging by worldwide figures from many sources, the fittest appear to be those who are vaccinated.
"survival of the fittest" is correct
For those dying of covid a large percentage are those are over 65 ( with the largest group being those over 80 ) with 2 or more underlying conditions . So if you are over 65 and a bit unhealthy I would suggest you get the vaccine too , as the stats shows it works for this group .Whether we should be vaccinating kids or people under 40 with no health issues then that's debatable , from the stats i've seen .Maybe for the later group Ivermectin if they show simptons ?
Whilst I agree the Covid19 figures of illness and death show a higher percentage of elder people or those with underlying conditions as victims, post vaccination figures are simply split into two groups. Those vaccinated and those not. The percentage of those that are fully vaccinated entering hospital with covid19 are vastly lower than those who are unvaccinated.
The old and the sick are still dying after being vaccinated , mainly due to the fact they are old and sick :blink:
Maybe we shouldn't be using the phrase " "survival of the fittest" when it comes to Vaccinated old peple but "survival of the unfittest". Its been reported in the UK that "the vaccine rollout had prevented more than 10,000 deaths of people aged 60 and older by the end of March". So I can understand why many older expats are trying to get vaccinated ASAP . oldmanwithstick
-
I knew someone who had hip surgery here in Thailand following an accident and sadly died from a blood clot. I recently had to undergo heart surgery, where the risk of blood clot was raised. I decided that being on blood thinners would help (my opinion) and went ahead with surgery. I am still here to tell the tale.
Please to hear that Nick. Stay safe!
+1
-
At the end of the day it is down to the individual, for me the choice was easy, I have had my first two jabs and provisionally booked for a booster in October.
You are totally correct ...... people should be able to make their own risk assessment on what they do or have put into there bodies .
To quote Herbert Spencer "survival of the fittest".
Judging by worldwide figures from many sources, the fittest appear to be those who are vaccinated.
"survival of the fittest" is correct
For those dying of covid a large percentage are those are over 65 ( with the largest group being those over 80 ) with 2 or more underlying conditions . So if you are over 65 and a bit unhealthy I would suggest you get the vaccine too , as the stats shows it works for this group .Whether we should be vaccinating kids or people under 40 with no health issues then that's debatable , from the stats i've seen .Maybe for the later group Ivermectin if they show simptons ?
Whilst I agree the Covid19 figures of illness and death show a higher percentage of elder people or those with underlying conditions as victims, post vaccination figures are simply split into two groups. Those vaccinated and those not. The percentage of those that are fully vaccinated entering hospital with covid19 are vastly lower than those who are unvaccinated.
The old and the sick are still dying after being vaccinated , mainly due to the fact they are old and sick :blink:
Maybe we shouldn't be using the phrase " "survival of the fittest" when it comes to Vaccinated old peple but "survival of the unfittest". Its been reported in the UK that "the vaccine rollout had prevented more than 10,000 deaths of people aged 60 and older by the end of March". So I can understand why many older expats are trying to get vaccinated ASAP . oldmanwithstick
I think you are swerving off topic here. The point is that vaccination protects against serious Covid19 symptoms. A vaccinated person has far better chance of either not getting coivd19 or not getting serious symptoms. There is less chance of hospitalisation and death.
Hence, vaccinated people would be deemed fittest.
-
I knew someone who had hip surgery here in Thailand following an accident and sadly died from a blood clot. I recently had to undergo heart surgery, where the risk of blood clot was raised. I decided that being on blood thinners would help (my opinion) and went ahead with surgery. I am still here to tell the tale.
Please to hear that Nick. Stay safe!
+1
+2
I am neither pro nor anti vaccine; but took the easy option when offered the chance to avoid the long hot queues if it becomes a visa requirement - TIT after all.
For every set of figures and graphs proving something, there is another proving exactly the opposite.
Often the opposite view comes from the original source!
If CoCo confirmed an increase in business at his crematorium I might change my opinion.
But until then my initial opinion remains - a world wide panic due to too many zombie apocalypse movies….
-
runningdog
-
If CoCo confirmed an increase in business at his crematorium I might change my opinion.
I think CoCo has confirmed this already . Covid 19 had deferenly caused the excess death rate to rise in the UK An estimated deaths from covid being around 128,000 in the UK with more than 71,000 excess deaths in England and Wales since the Covid-19 pandemic began. My gut feeling is that the covid deaths have been overestimated a little due to the way the figures have been collected.Also the UK Government's order of DNR (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8521675/Government-issue-advice-not-resuscitate-orders-family-threatens-lawsuit.html) for the old and sick in care homes and hospitals may have increased the figures slightly as well
Whether this figure will level themself out only time will tell, as a large proportion of those that died may well have died in the next 6 month to a year from other medical conditions anyway . I did read that in April the death rate was the lowest for that month since records began in 2001, so maybe April wasn't a good month for CoCo Crematorium business but I'm sure previous months made up for it :biggrin:
-
Here is a chart of our cremation numbers (I haven't seen June yet but I believe it will show 'normal' numbers.
Normal numbers are around 150 pm - 35/40 per week.
I think we did 60 p.w. at the peak. Our April/May 2020 figures tend to support that. From July to November 2020 we were running around average. I don't think Suffolk was as badly hit as other areas and infection rates/deaths obviously varied from region to region.
The UK peak of hospital deaths was said to over in April 2020 (we usually get them 2-4 weeks later).
The second wave was late in 2020 and that reflects in the numbers December 20 to March 21.
MONTH CREMATIONS MONTH CREMATIONS
JUL 19 139 JUL 20 150
AUG 19 159 AUG 20 149
SEP 19 131 SEP 20 158
OCT 19 160 OCT 20 139
NOV19 162 NOV 20 156
DEC 19 132 DEC 20 181
JAN 20 187 JAN 21 188
FEB 20 173 FEB 21 209
MAR 20 187 MAR 21 217
APR 20 230 APR 21 168
MAY 20 228 MAY 21 149
JUN 20 176 JUN 21
I am told that the increased numbers are typically much higher than you would see in a 'bad flu season'.
The reducing numbers (we are only 30 next week), together with the success of the UK vaccination programme, tend to support the government's decision to come out of any 'lockdowns' later this month.
-
⬆️
Thanks for that dear boy.
Food for thought, but at least these are figures I can trust.
-
How do I get on the Moderna vaccine list for Buri Ram?
-
This is Bob Manthey posting. I "signed up" on a list at Ram Buriram Private Hospital months ago and never heard a single word. I did sign up in person at Bangkok Hospital in Korat in April. 9 days ago they called me to say I should try elsewhere as that hospital had no idea when they might receive Moderna. However if you are willing to drive to Khon Kaen you might be able to book and pay for Moderna at this hospital: https://rph.co.th/en/ (https://rph.co.th/en/) I read on line that some people have also booked and paid through Bumrungrad Hospital in Bangkok. If anyone does have current experiences when they went in person to book at the private hospital in Surin, the Army hospital in Buriram or the private Ram hospital in Buriram I am sure it would be of wide interest to Buriram expats. Below is a post on another forum regarding this subject. KhunBenQ is that forum member who posted:
I had registered interest and recently paid deposit for Moderna at Ratchapruek hospital. Vaccines expected no earlier than October (and steady bad news about further stretching).
Registration was through the THG (Thonburi Hospital Group) website.
Don't know what the current status is.
Your wife can also look directly at the RPH webiste:
https://rph.co.th/en/ (https://rph.co.th/en/)
-
Total Members Voted: 9
Please make sure you vote ( it is private ) so we can get a general consensus
So far its roughly 4 have or want the Vaccine and 5 are sceptical about the Vaccine , even though the MSM will tell you otherwise
Total Members Voted: 10
5 have or want the Vaccine and 5 are sceptical about the Vaccine..so still a 50/50 split :)
I need to go off the waiting 'still list' and be added to the 'had first (AZ) jab' list
-
There seems to be a mixed view going around that getting vaccinated is either good or dangerous and depending on what you have either seen or read you have an opinion. I think this will clear it up once and for all.
-
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/shock-report-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-last-week-us-covid-19-deaths/
makes you think.
-
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/shock-report-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-last-week-us-covid-19-deaths/
makes you think.
"The Gateway pundit"
Makes you think...............................
-
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/shock-report-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-last-week-us-covid-19-deaths/
makes you think.
"The Gateway pundit"
Makes you think...............................
I'm sure there have been some that have died due to adverse reactions to the jab but most that have died have been over 65 ( 82.96% ) Like those that have died of Covid maybe age and those with pre existing conditions may have something to do with it ?
-
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/shock-report-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-last-week-us-covid-19-deaths/
makes you think.
Doesn't make me think. Especially when you read the disclaimers.
Actually, it does make me think. Then it makes me laugh.
-
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/shock-report-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-last-week-us-covid-19-deaths/
makes you think.
Doesn't make me think. Especially when you read the disclaimers.
Actually, it does make me think. Then it makes me laugh.
I had a good laugh at an anti vax post I saw on a Facebook group. This is pretty much the same group that said the vaccines are untested and that thousands and thousands of people will die after getting it. They also jumped on the bandwagon of microchipped vaccines.
Their new stance now is that vaccinated people are transmitting some kind of protein the infects non vaccinated people and makes them sick.
My guess would be that the unvaccinated are actually sick with Covid19, but there you go.
Wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the jokes section.
-
Vaccines UK related
This guys is solid at reporting the truth and not an anti-vaxxer
http://youtu.be/Jv3Q74CLU1c
And below fron The mail
-
Lots more Info and Data coming out , things are changing all the time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydm5K5HGeus
Even those fully Vaccinated aren't going to stop peple getting Covid . Cant see borders or Holiday destination like Thailand opening up like before for some time yet !!!
-
Lots more Info and Data coming out , things are changing all the time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydm5K5HGeus
Even those fully Vaccinated aren't going to stop peple getting Covid . Cant see borders or Holiday destination like Thailand opening up like before for some time yet !!!
The clue is in the word "vaccinated. The meaning is very different to "immunised".
There has never been any mention that the vaccine stops the spread. It simply reduces the symptoms and the need for medical care. As can be seen in the present figures.
-
Lots more Info and Data coming out , things are changing all the time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydm5K5HGeus
Even those fully Vaccinated aren't going to stop peple getting Covid . Cant see borders or Holiday destination like Thailand opening up like before for some time yet !!!
The clue is in the word "vaccinated. The meaning is very different to "immunised".
There has never been any mention that the vaccine stops the spread. It simply reduces the symptoms and the need for medical care. As can be seen in the present figures.
Did you watch/read what I posted on the other thread ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiwsv51Il4k
Below a link to " Imperfect Vaccination Can Enhance the Transmission of Highly Virulent Pathogens "
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1002198
-
Dr David Bull: Vaccination or immunity?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh-PuLBBvaU
-
The ting about being vaccinated is that you normally only get mild symptoms.
That mean you dont need go doctor or hospital.
Which mean that doctors and nurses can take care of other that really need them.
(Or we have to increase amount of doctors, nurses and hospitals which results in higher taxes for us all)
Choise is easy :-)
-
The ting about being vaccinated is that you normally only get mild symptoms.
That mean you dont need go doctor or hospital.
Which mean that doctors and nurses can take care of other that really need them.
(Or we have to increase amount of doctors, nurses and hospitals which results in higher taxes for us all)
Choise is easy :-)
Just my view on the way things are going
Cases continue to rise, Thailand ( and the rest of the world ) is fighting a war it can never win .Covid like Flu and the Common Cold is something we will have to learn to live with ,It will never be eradicated . There will be just one variant after another with some being weeker or stronger than the ones before
Vaccine's seem to stop or reduce the effects of Covid to the old and vulnerable so they ( if they want ) should be vaccinated
It's also been found there is no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar. Same as the people that get the flu vaccine every year and still acquire the flu virus and spread it. The whole point of the flu vaccine is so the person acquiring the virus has a better chance of fighting it off.
It is the exact same with the Covid-19 vaccine. ( see links below )
Even if Thailand Vaccinates all its population , people will still get Covid and those that have pre existing conditions from other illnesses ( like Cancer , phoneomina or the many other illnesses that can kill you ) will die ...that's Life (or death ) and the way things are !!
LOCKDOWNS DONT WORK ..Lockdowns were initially brought in under the idea of ?two weeks to flatten the curve.? We are now 17 / 18 months into this pandemic and we are still treating Covid 19 as if it were March/April 2020. Lockdowns are illiberal and economically destructive, and the best available international evidence finds no link between lockdowns and stopping excess Covid deaths. Researchers have found that the best way to handle Covid 19 outbreaks is through increasing medical capacity to handle outbreaks while leaving the freedoms of people and economy alone.
I find it disappointing to see governments choose to lock down . Some governments ( Sweden , Singapore to name a few ) seemed committed to learning to live with Covid. But many governments are pro-lockdown , using hysteria and the complaints of the MSM to tell people that there is nowhere they can hide from the threat of Covid to create fear so they can bring in their totalitarian measures
Links
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm
https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/new-data-on-covid-19-transmission-by-vaccinated-individuals.html
-
But talking of sweden :
They have double the population of norway.
But 8 times as many dead as norway.
And should think the health of the population is much the same.
However they have more people "not etnic" then Norway.
But dont think thats all explanation for the numbers :-)
-
But talking of sweden :
They have double the population of norway.
But 8 times as many dead as norway.
And should think the health of the population is much the same.
However they have more people "not etnic" then Norway.
But dont think thats all explanation for the numbers :-)
I'm sure your figures are right , but as you seem to be worried about higher taxes How did Norway deal with lockdowns and business's closing down and maybe never reopening through bankruptcy. Did the Norwegian Government pay furloughed wages like the UK . Its nice to know how other countries coped and are coping
-
Norway is a lucky country and can afford more than most.
Workers that was laid off was compensated much of their salaries, same as shops etc.
( being in los most of the time and having a pension didnt check exact and would been a long story going in details :-) )
But of course, covid has been very expensive for most countries and will be interesting see what happen vomjng years, tax increases, benefit cuts or/and cuts in general governments spendings.
There is always a price to pay, and it will catch up on us :-)
-
If you look at the stats 90% of those that have died have been 65/70 and over with the biggest % being 80+ ( see links UK and Sweden below , other countries figures are about the same )
https://www.ageuk.org.uk/discover/2020/06/coronavirus-risk-for-older-people-updated/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107913/number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-by-age-groups/
Also the biggest percentage of those affected with covid are the under 40s and 90% being asymptomatic or with very mild symptoms. Yes the figures look grim until you step back and see the percentages
I can understand we need to protect the old but has the carnage that lockdowns have caused been worth it ?
Even with vaccinations the jab isn't the saviour it was promised to be at the start !!
There will always be a proportion of individuals who will still remain susceptible to infection and illness even after being vaccinated so dont think your safe just because you've had the jab.You still need to look after yourself and try and boost your natural immune system.
I know in the UK the Hospital waiting lists are over 16,000,000 now and they say they will never catch up. How many 1000's will die because they didn't go and see a doctor or will die before they get treatment as the waiting lists are so long .
I guess we will never know what would have been the outcome if we had just let covid run it course and use the standard ,wash your hands. wear a mask and stay home if you feel ill .
In the aftermath of covid , they say far more will die due to the way lockdowns have crippled countries economies than have been killed by covid itself
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-usa-cost/
-
I know in the UK the Hospital waiting lists are over 16,000,000 now and they say they will never catch up. How many 1000's will die because they didn't go and see a doctor or will die before they get treatment as the waiting lists are so long .
Correction The waiting list is 6 million but according to some could go over 14 + million in the a year or so
-
::) ::) ::)
-
I am now doubled Jab BUT only as it will make my life easier for when things start opening up , not because I'm scared I may catch Covid .
I always watch Neil Oliver on GB News , and Totally agree with all his views !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDl0s7nm5YY
And don't get me started on stuiped 3B masks ., I've never seen the reason to wear a mask but I wear one when the local laws tell me I have to ..BTW very few people in the Village wear masks when out and about which is refreshing to see people just living normally !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdSJOcjC0Do