Looks like a big Covid19 surge is on it's way.You sound like you do not believe everything that the present Thai government offices publish. Surely you don't think they are 'massaging' the statistics???????
I can't help thinking that is has been here all the time and is just growing. Lack of testing and lack of restrictions surely shows that it is not just arriving here but rather it has been here and is growing.
I can believe that there have only been 100 or so confirmed deaths.
Maybe the figures were dampened and now they are paying the consequences.
Looks like a big Covid19 surge is on it's way.You sound like you do not believe everything that the present Thai government offices publish. Surely you don't think they are 'massaging' the statistics???????
I can't help thinking that is has been here all the time and is just growing. Lack of testing and lack of restrictions surely shows that it is not just arriving here but rather it has been here and is growing.
I can believe that there have only been 100 or so confirmed deaths.
Maybe the figures were dampened and now they are paying the consequences.
whistle party15
Our safety is indeed compromised, but don't for one moment think the authorities care about us. We must take care of our own safety, no parties, no gatherings mask up and keep ones distance from others.
Why did the flue disappear.Not disappeared, probably just rediagnosed as Covid
Regards
I know Chonburi Public health announced over 90 percent of those tested positive are asymptomatic , so 100's of basically not sick people sequestered for weeks in field hospitals .
As it been said many times if you are in the vulnerable category of being over 70 or have pre existing health issues then stay at home if you feel you are at risk.
As for the Vaccines they dont stop you getting Covid , they just lessen the symptoms and you can still become asymptomatic and wouldn't know it unless you are tested .Even then how accurate are the tests ?
Thailands figures have always been low compared to other countries but now with mass testing in some area's they are just discovering more asymptomatic people that dont even feel sick.
Also if people are so worried about Covid making them ill or killing them , then maybe have a look at other aspects of their lifestyles . Like a change of diet, stop drinking or smoking and tryng boosting their immune system.
I think its about time people were allowed to make their own mind up on how they run their lives.Hundreds of thousands of people are having their lives ruined on a so called pandemic that has a survival rate not much different to the Seasonal flu ,with people under 40 with no pre existing health issues the Flu is more dangerous.
I can see another LOCKDOWN on its way soon that will result in more hardship and death than Covid will ever cause !!!
I think its about time people stopped blaming the Goverement as they are doing their best ( but they are about as affective as King Kanut was at stopping the tide ) and took some personal accountability .Yes covid is killing some old people that would no doubt would have died a few months later anyway.
Already Covid 19 is mutating to become other variants. Its about time people realised that Covid ( Flu ) is here to stay . .As I've said before if Covid dont get you there are 100's of other thing that will. "So stop living in fear and just get on with your life"... is my mantra for the day.
I hope you don't mind Smithy but I copied and pasted your post to the Korat Farang Forum.
Mike
I can see another LOCKDOWN on its way soon that will result in more hardship and death than Covid will ever cause !!!
I hope you don't mind Smithy but I copied and pasted your post to the Korat Farang Forum.
Mike
No problem , your not the only one that has shared that post on other local forums . So I feel quite flattered :biggrin:
I guess some will agree with that post and some wont .
Ever since the covid outbreak started in Thailand I have followed all the rules/laws .I wear a mask when out in public and always follow all the other rules.Mostly to appease those around me ,not because I am scared of catching anything . If I catch covid on my of my trips to Pattaya or one of the the other local Issan cities I like to visit then I only have my self to blame. I know the risks involved but statistically I'm more likely to die on the roads getting to these places than I am of covid.
Compared to other western countries ( like the Uk ) we have got off lightly here in Thailand when it comes to draconian covid measures.
<snip> the increase in red zones (with associated restrictions) is what is most likely to be announced today.
I hope the Covid Testing Kits they use here in Thailand are better than the new one's they use in the UK ::)
Not sure where you got that story but it is wide of the mark.
Not sure where you got that story but it is wide of the mark.
Only posted what was said on the Mail-online .. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9477035/As-2-cent-positive-Covid-lateral-flow-test-results-accurate-adviser-warns.html
Is it possible for the flue to mis diagnosed as Covid 19.
Regards
Is it possible for the flue to mis diagnosed as Covid 19.
Regards
The problem in this day and ages is there is so much miss-information and propaganda ( depending on what side you are on and coming from both sides ) Its very hard to belive anything 100% these days . If you want to belive that Flu can be misdiagnosed as Covid you can find sites on the internet that say they can and visa-versa. Same as what happened with Brexit , whether Trump won or that Covid test's are s**t and are getting it wrong a large percentage of the time
Now you cant even quote TRUE scientific and biological FACTS incase you may upset some woke fruitcake ...the worlds going f***ing Mad screwy
My experience is that there seems to be a very low rate of testing here in Thailand. There are no or very few post mortems here too. Therefore, how on earth can Thailand say, with some accuracy, how many Covid19 cases they have had and how many people have died as a result of Covid19.
Girl in our village came back from Bangkok, sick, taken to hospital by ambulance, complaining of difficulty breathing. Two neighbors running around the village no masks coughing up a lung for the last few days. No Covid here folks!
Girl in our village came back from Bangkok, sick, taken to hospital by ambulance, complaining of difficulty breathing. Two neighbors running around the village no masks coughing up a lung for the last few days. No Covid here folks!
Do your duty DD and shop them.
Girl in our village came back from Bangkok, sick, taken to hospital by ambulance, complaining of difficulty breathing. Two neighbors running around the village no masks coughing up a lung for the last few days. No Covid here folks!
Do your duty DD and shop them.
Don't talk too soon Nick, this might happen when uneducated people start shitting their pants !!!
And I think the worst is still to come for you there ...
I wish you the best and BE SAFE !!!!!
Which part was the put down ?
The only vaccine for Covid 19 I would use would be the Russian Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine. It is safe, cheap and really works without all the nasty side effects of the big Pharma money grab vaccines.
Regards
We are fortunate in Buriram to have so many Covid experts.
These days the internet can provide you with any source of information to back whichever point of view you hold....the chart from Smithy being a classic case of information (true or otherwise) that has little or no relevance to the current local situation.
Which part was the put down ?
Smithy you are going a bit hard on the fear factor, aren't you? Many of my family in UK, their friends and their family have been vaccinated with Pfizer or AZ. None have had any side effects other than sore arm and flu like symptoms for a few hours.
Looking at the figures, and allowing for the EU politics that first started the scare, the AZ blood clot theory is just not worth even talking about. The percentage is so low. It has not even been proven whether the blood clot victims would have had such a health scare without the vaccine. Such small percentages could quite easily be put down to coincidence.
Tassie, millions of people around the world, 44million in UK alone, will likely disagree with you.
Smithy you are going a bit hard on the fear factor, aren't you? Many of my family in UK, their friends and their family have been vaccinated with Pfizer or AZ. None have had any side effects other than sore arm and flu like symptoms for a few hours.
Looking at the figures, and allowing for the EU politics that first started the scare, the AZ blood clot theory is just not worth even talking about. The percentage is so low. It has not even been proven whether the blood clot victims would have had such a health scare without the vaccine. Such small percentages could quite easily be put down to coincidence.
Tassie, millions of people around the world, 44million in UK alone, will likely disagree with you.
Many have taken the sensible protectionist approach in Lahansai today.
If you want to take the vacine then be my guest , I think I will take the 'wait and see ' apporach ;)
Which part was the put down ?
Most of it.
Suggesting that local people are uneducated. Then to assume it is only they that will be afraid, done in a derogatory manner.
I don't think it's polite to try to show some kind of upper echelon status in comparison to others. Not just here but every where.
Smithy you are going a bit hard on the fear factor, aren't you? Many of my family in UK, their friends and their family have been vaccinated with Pfizer or AZ. None have had any side effects other than sore arm and flu like symptoms for a few hours.
Looking at the figures, and allowing for the EU politics that first started the scare, the AZ blood clot theory is just not worth even talking about. The percentage is so low. It has not even been proven whether the blood clot victims would have had such a health scare without the vaccine. Such small percentages could quite easily be put down to coincidence.
Tassie, millions of people around the world, 44million in UK alone, will likely disagree with you.
Many have taken the sensible protectionist approach in Lahansai today.
Many have taken the sensible protectionist approach in Lahansai today.
Will you be having the new untested vaccine when available ?
The thing is even those that have been vaccinated can still become asymptomatic and pass on the virus so must follow all the rules as the unvaccinated people . Will we ever get back to normality :blink:
Yes I do . Please PM me if you want to go further with this. RegardsThe only vaccine for Covid 19 I would use would be the Russian Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine. It is safe, cheap and really works without all the nasty side effects of the big Pharma money grab vaccines.
Regards
Do you have the evidence to support that statement?
Which part was the put down ?
Most of it.
Suggesting that local people are uneducated. Then to assume it is only they that will be afraid, done in a derogatory manner.
I don't think it's polite to try to show some kind of upper echelon status in comparison to others. Not just here but every where.
Smithy you are going a bit hard on the fear factor, aren't you? Many of my family in UK, their friends and their family have been vaccinated with Pfizer or AZ. None have had any side effects other than sore arm and flu like symptoms for a few hours.
Looking at the figures, and allowing for the EU politics that first started the scare, the AZ blood clot theory is just not worth even talking about. The percentage is so low. It has not even been proven whether the blood clot victims would have had such a health scare without the vaccine. Such small percentages could quite easily be put down to coincidence.
Tassie, millions of people around the world, 44million in UK alone, will likely disagree with you.
Yes I do . Please PM me if you want to go further with this. RegardsThe only vaccine for Covid 19 I would use would be the Russian Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine. It is safe, cheap and really works without all the nasty side effects of the big Pharma money grab vaccines.
Regards
Do you have the evidence to support that statement?
As a friend said, if there was no internet there would be no fear of the vaccine, adding that everyone just had the TB jab when they were young - they did not debate the arse off the pro's and con's.
As a friend said, if there was no internet there would be no fear of the vaccine, adding that everyone just had the TB jab when they were young - they did not debate the arse off the pro's and con's.
Maybe your friend should read more.!!!
How about .....
The Cutter Incident, Polio Vaccine in the mid 50's
The Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTP) Vaccine Controversy in the 70's
The Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) Vaccine Controversy in the 90's
Most Vaccines take 10 -15 years to develope and have to go through vast testing schedules before they are released for public use , No one knows whats going to happen in years to come as the latest Covid Vaccines have been rolled out so fast , As I've said before , I think I will take the 'wait and see ' apporach !!! . No conspiracy theories here's just facts :)
As a friend said, if there was no internet there would be no fear of the vaccine, adding that everyone just had the TB jab when they were young - they did not debate the arse off the pro's and con's.
Maybe your friend should read more.!!!
How about .....
The Cutter Incident, Polio Vaccine in the mid 50's
The Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTP) Vaccine Controversy in the 70's
The Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) Vaccine Controversy in the 90's
Most Vaccines take 10 -15 years to develope and have to go through vast testing schedules before they are released for public use , No one knows whats going to happen in years to come as the latest Covid Vaccines have been rolled out so fast , As I've said before , I think I will take the 'wait and see ' apporach !!! . No conspiracy theories here's just facts :)
Comparing vaccines of many years ago, with the advancement of technology, is laughable. Especially as many of the original findings have now been found to be false.
Also, I was in a local expat hangout the other day and the idea of many years of development for vaccines came up. There was an Italian guy there whose sister works for GSK in Verona. She has been involved in the developments and testing of vaccines for Covid19. Basically, from what I could understand he said that his sister had pointed out that Corona viruses have been around for decades. Maybe even centuries. The antibodies have been known to scientists for a long time too. It was this fact that enabled the vaccines to be rolled out quickly. It was not a case of trying to discover a new vaccine for a new virus but rather tweaking it to cope with the current virus. Much of the development had already been done. Thus speeding up the process.Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.
Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.
Yes I do . Please PM me if you want to go further with this. RegardsThe only vaccine for Covid 19 I would use would be the Russian Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine. It is safe, cheap and really works without all the nasty side effects of the big Pharma money grab vaccines.
Regards
Do you have the evidence to support that statement?
Why not share it on the forum. We can all see it then.
You claim that other vaccines have nasty side effects. Are you speaking about the 0.00125% chance of a blood clot? Do you know the chances of blood clots if you don;t have a vaccine? If you don't, your comments mean nothing. One needs to compare to make a point.
Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.
I absolutely agree with the right of an individual not to have the vaccine. As for your concerns, they do not interest me - and I don't see the point in voicing a slanted opinion (using unrelated negative information in an attempt to discredit vaccine producers).
At least you have a fan boy in Dave! :D :D
Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.
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Maybe your friend should read more.!!!
Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.
Presumably, if you get bitten by a soi dog, you would not have a rabies jab.
Some 10 years ago Russia was working on a vaccine for the common cold. They were able to fast track the development of Sputnik because of some similarities between the common cold and Covid
How was the dog?Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.
Presumably, if you get bitten by a soi dog, you would not have a rabies jab.
About 12 years ago I did get bitten by a dog and the wife insisted I went to hospital and have the Rabies jabs. I had the 1st one and I felt ill, I had the 2nd a few days later and I ended up in bed for 8 days and I thought I going to die . I never went back for the rest of the course . I must have had an allergic reaction to it .
After 8 days I started to feel a bit better and got out of bed. I had lost about 4 kilos as I hadn't eaten and had just drunk water . The good thing was I was smoking about 60 a day and after 8 days without a cigarette I decided to stop and have never smoked since . Maybe this is one of the reason for my aversion of vaccines
Fine , may have been the same one that made you crash when you didn't have your helmet on :DHow was the dog?Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.
Presumably, if you get bitten by a soi dog, you would not have a rabies jab.
About 12 years ago I did get bitten by a dog and the wife insisted I went to hospital and have the Rabies jabs. I had the 1st one and I felt ill, I had the 2nd a few days later and I ended up in bed for 8 days and I thought I going to die . I never went back for the rest of the course . I must have had an allergic reaction to it .
After 8 days I started to feel a bit better and got out of bed. I had lost about 4 kilos as I hadn't eaten and had just drunk water . The good thing was I was smoking about 60 a day and after 8 days without a cigarette I decided to stop and have never smoked since . Maybe this is one of the reason for my aversion of vaccines
Some 10 years ago Russia was working on a vaccine for the common cold. They were able to fast track the development of Sputnik because of some similarities between the common cold and Covid.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123927/sputnik-v-exports-from-russia-by-country/
https://www.rferl.org/a/sputnik-v-vaccine/31133608.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55900622
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Fine , may have been the same one that made you crash when you didn't have your helmet on :D
How was the dog?
Slovakia suspends use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine for first doses after blood clot-linked death of recipient.
Canada's Ontario province halts use of AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine after risk of blood clots proves higher than expected
As of today the following countries have suspended the use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine.
Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Bulgaria, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Ireland, The Netherlands, Indonesia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, Latvia, Slovenia, Sweden, Luxembourg and Thailand.
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Slovakia suspends use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine for first doses after blood clot-linked death of recipient.
Canada's Ontario province halts use of AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine after risk of blood clots proves higher than expected
As of today the following countries have suspended the use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine.
Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Bulgaria, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Ireland, The Netherlands, Indonesia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, Latvia, Slovenia, Sweden, Luxembourg and Thailand.
Regards
Give the source please - comments without supporting references are valueless.
Thailand obviously haven't suspended AZ as Siam Bioscience are producing here in Thailand and the government have ordered 60+m doses.
Slovakia suspends use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine for first doses after blood clot-linked death of recipient.
Canada's Ontario province halts use of AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine after risk of blood clots proves higher than expected
As of today the following countries have suspended the use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine.
Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Bulgaria, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Ireland, The Netherlands, Indonesia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, Latvia, Slovenia, Sweden, Luxembourg and Thailand.
Regards
Slovakia suspends use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine for first doses after blood clot-linked death of recipient.
Canada's Ontario province halts use of AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine after risk of blood clots proves higher than expected
As of today the following countries have suspended the use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine.
Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Bulgaria, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Ireland, The Netherlands, Indonesia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, Latvia, Slovenia, Sweden, Luxembourg and Thailand.
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CO CO for your information.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/15/which-countries-have-halted-use-of-astrazenecas-covid-vaccine
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Well it will take a few to hold me down long enough to get that Chinese jab. Don?t think this order would hold up in the courts. Also, what?s the point. Get vaccine and you CAN still get and spread Covid. You just may be fortunate enough to not get AS sick with it. I?ll hold out for the moderna jab if possible. If not will have to wait til no more quarantine on return then I?ll get the series back home.
due to my medical conditions I was advised by my doctor that I should take whatever vaccine is available as soon as possible. He told me that at 66 years old he has taken the Chinese one with no side effects.
Well it will take a few to hold me down long enough to get that Chinese jab. Don?t think this order would hold up in the courts. Also, what?s the point. Get vaccine and you CAN still get and spread Covid. You just may be fortunate enough to not get AS sick with it. I?ll hold out for the moderna jab if possible. If not will have to wait til no more quarantine on return then I?ll get the series back home.
smilenod
Co-co that was funny, really made me laugh. I just extended my stay for another year so plenty of time to figure it all out.
I definitely do believe in vaccines, those that are proven safe, and effective. I?ll be having it, but not yet and not sinovac.
My issue with this is the terms ?force? and jail. Not gonna happen. I do believe they will mandate immunization as a requirement to enter Thailand, as well as other countries, after there has been sufficient time and product availability. Quite understandable.
However, seeing what does come out of Chinese manufacturing makes me distrustful of their vaccine.
Just because it is a pharmaceutical company does not make it better than other Chinese manufacturing. Remember just recently there was a massive recall of meds that had been prepared with known carcinogens? Trusting a pharmaceutical company because that?s what they make is like saying that someone is of the highest moral and ethical stature because he is king. Yes. Ok. Uh huh. Sure.
" %%% of people have developed blood clots"
What if it will be you? Just take it, good luck.
" %%% of people have developed blood clots"
What if it will be you? Just take it, good luck.
There are risks everywhere. I can't think of anything that does not carry a risk. The risk from vaccines for Covid are miniscule.
The price gauging never stops for Big Pharma and its supporters.
Commercial option using Moderna not here in Thailand until October 2021 with a minor spat over government taxes on the importation of the vaccine.
Minister defends import taxes on vaccine
The plans were to offer the vaccine at a price of ฿3,000 to ฿3,500 per person including two doses, VAT and insurance although some confusion was created with recent reports when the Ministry of Public Health suggested the vaccine could be subject to a government tax.
In fact, the Minister of Public Health Anutin Charnvirakul defended the tax which is believed to apply to all imported vaccines at 14% of the cost as normal.
Cost of Sputnik V in India is 995 Indian Rupees = 427 Thai Baht.
Thailand will charge 3,500 Thai Baht for Moderna. Moderna, Inc is an American pharmaceutical and biotechnology company based in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
The grand rip off still continues strong in Thailand.
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Co-co that was funny, really made me laugh. I just extended my stay for another year so plenty of time to figure it all out.
I definitely do believe in vaccines, those that are proven safe, and effective. I?ll be having it, but not yet and not sinovac.
My issue with this is the terms ?force? and jail. Not gonna happen. I do believe they will mandate immunization as a requirement to enter Thailand, as well as other countries, after there has been sufficient time and product availability. Quite understandable.
However, seeing what does come out of Chinese manufacturing makes me distrustful of their vaccine.
Just because it is a pharmaceutical company does not make it better than other Chinese manufacturing. Remember just recently there was a massive recall of meds that had been prepared with known carcinogens? Trusting a pharmaceutical company because that?s what they make is like saying that someone is of the highest moral and ethical stature because he is king. Yes. Ok. Uh huh. Sure.
So, we have one member who will take only the Russian vaccine. One that will not take the Chinese vaccine. Yet, I am yet to see any stories about vast numbers of people dropping down dead because of any of the vaccines available.
Neither have I seen any stories about a load of people testing positive for Covid after having been fully vaccinated.
The vaccines seem safe, a tiny %%% of people have developed blood clots. Even these figures are likely high as there are no figures stating how many people develop blood clots without having had a vaccine. The vaccines, all of them, appear effective too.
I believe the modern term is "Snowflake".
Expats to get vaccine app as Buriram threatens jail for anyone not complying with jab rollout mission
https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/05/18/expats-to-get-app-vaccine-law-in-buriram/
I'm with you Bob, Sputnik V was not developed along the same lines as Big Pharma and has proven itself to be safe.
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The Guardian is certainly not a great source for news, however we must keep an open mind.
Please provide the internet link source.
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" %%% of people have developed blood clots"
What if it will be you? Just take it, good luck.
There are risks everywhere. I can't think of anything that does not carry a risk. The risk from vaccines for Covid are miniscule.
Less than the risk of clots from taking the contraceptive pill, and much less than the risk of DVT from flying.
Gerry, I never said that I didn?t like your source, did I? You said, ?You don?t like my source so here is another?. Thank you for your source, this, the first one you have provided. Take a deep breath and relax because we are all entitled to our own opinions and I for one don?t have to agree with you and vice versa. Take whatever Covid V jab you like, it?s none of my business.
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Four people recently died in Russia shortly after taking the Sputnik V anti-corona jab in previously unreported cases, which are being taken "seriously" by the EU regulator, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) in Amsterdam.
Six other Russians also had medical complications after taking the vaccine, according to internal case files from RosPotrebNadzor, a Russian body responsible for administering vaccinations, seen by EUobserver.
? Several EU countries keen to buy and produce Russia's drug (Photo: imf.org)
Three of the deceased were women aged 51, 69, and 74.
The fourth one was not identified in the leaked files.
The deaths were heart, lung, or blood-sugar related and might or might not have been caused by Sputnik V, the dossier of Russian documents indicated.
The other six patients were younger men and women, one of whom was just 25.
They suffered a range of symptoms, including breathing difficulties, convulsions, swelling, muscle weakness, high blood pressure, headaches, dizziness, and fevers after their jabs.
The authenticity of one of the RosPotrebNadzor case files was officially confirmed by Denis Logunov, a senior virologist at the Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology in Moscow, which developed Sputnik V.
"I requested information about this case and ... obtained a response. This case is not fake," he told EUobserver on Wednesday (7 April), speaking of the 51-year old woman, who died suddenly after taking her second Sputnik V dose.
"The case was investigated. No association with vaccination was found," Logunov, who recently co-authored a paper on Sputnik V safety in British publication The Lancet, added.
One of the non-fatal cases was covered by a Russian regional newspaper, PLN Pskov.
But the newspaper issued the same caveat as Logunov.
"Conspiracy theorists please calm down. This terrible syndrome [an illness the patient contracted] could develop from any harmless vaccine," PLN Pskov said.
EUobserver independently identified three other patients in the leaked files via their social media accounts, while another one was identified as a nurse in a local hospital in Ulyanovsk, a city in western Russia.
It was not possible to confirm the deaths, as there is no open-source death registry in Russia.
The Russian Direct Investment Fund, an organ responsible for exporting Sputnik V, declined to comment.
But for its part, the EMA, which is currently screening Sputnik V for EU-wide approval, confirmed it had also seen the RosPotrebNadzor case files.
These were sent to the EU regulator by a Russian whistleblower, who asked to remain anonymous, rather than via normal channels however, according to an email by an EMA official dated 26 March and seen by this website.
"We can confirm that all reports are treated seriously by the EMA and assessed directly," an EMA spokeswoman told EUobserver on Thursday, referring to the RosPotrebNadzor files on deaths and other complications.
"In this particular case, the report hints to the safety of the vaccine, which is a fundamental aspect to be evaluated both during the ongoing rolling review and in the assessment subsequent to the filing of a marketing authorisation application. For this reason, we cannot comment at this stage on the facts narrated in the [RosPotrebNadzor] report," she added.
The EMA's review was also "based on results from laboratory studies and clinical studies in adults", it noted.
The total number of cases (10) in the leaked files was tiny compared to the millions of people who felt fine after taking Sputnik V.
"There is a problem with under-registration of side-effects of drugs in Russia in general," Vasily Vlassov, an epidemiologist at HSE University in Moscow, told EUobserver on Wednesday.
"All non-desirable effects connected in time with the use of the drug should be considered as a possible side-effect of the drug. It is a fundamental rule. Even death under a train should be considered," Vlassov, who co-wrote a study on Sputnik V in the British Medical Journal, said.
Raw nerves
The news on deaths after taking Sputnik V comes to light in a nervous atmosphere in Europe.
Some EU countries recently paused use of the British and Swedish-made AstraZeneca vaccine after isolated reports of blood clots.
And the general public felt alarmed, because pharmaceutical firms and regulators had rushed through vaccine approvals in the Covid-19 emergency, Judy Twigg, a professor of political science at Virginia Commonwealth University in the US, said.
"Even if the adverse events [in the RosPotrebNadzor files] weren't linked to the vaccine, they still should have been openly reported," she told EUobserver.
"Data on all vaccines should be subject to high levels of scrutiny in order to minimise the risk of compromising public trust," she added.
"Open, well-communicated assessment of adverse events, the risks they pose, and appropriate measures to mitigate those risks offer the best path toward that trust," Twigg said.
The RosPotrebNadzor revelation also comes amid political tension on vaccines.
Pausing the AstraZeneca jabs prompted accusations of post-Brexit EU harassment by some UK voices.
At the same time, Hungary has already started using Sputnik V despite the fact it has no EMA clearance.
And Austria, France, Germany, and Italy are in advanced talks with Russia on buying and joint production of its drug.
Vaccine geopolitics
The EMA, earlier this week, also told British newspaper the Financial Times it had ethical concerns about Russia's data-collection methods.
But amid Europe's appeals for fair play, the Kremlin is taking a strong line in defending its product from potential bad press.
"A scenario of information attack on Sputnik V is being prepared through controlled non-governmental organisations (the US Agency for International Development, Soros foundation, Thomson Reuters Foundation) and media structures (BBC, Reuters, Internews)," a "high-ranking Kremlin source" told Russia's Tass news agency in March.
"[The attack] aims to substantiate the promoted theses about the vaccine's 'inefficiency and danger' by faking mass deaths allegedly caused by the use of the medicine," the Kremlin source said.
I have not read the above posts but here is what the US Embassy said to me:
Good afternoon. We have been in touch with the Buriram provincial officials regarding the May 13 mandate. Per our conversation with them, we understand the following:
Buriram public health officials are currently asking residents and workers to complete a risk assessment form.
Buriram public health officials are evaluating the forms to determine who may be living in a high-risk area and might have COVID-19.
If Buriram public health officials determine a person lives in a high-risk area or a person is suspected of carrying COVID-19, then that person has two options: get vaccinated or risk paying a fine/jail time.
This action is legal in Thailand under the current Emergency Decree, although Buriram is the first province we understand to implement this measure.
Buriram officials cannot force you to take the vaccine and their hope is that people in the risk categories seriously consider getting vaccinated to curb the spread of the disease. AstraZeneca, Sinovac Biotech, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson are approved for use in Thailand.
You can find the full mandate (in Thai) here: http://www.buriram.go.th/covid-19/command/command-13-2564.pdf. We have also attached a flyer (in Thai) which notes the vaccines are not compulsory unless you are in a high-risk area.
The latest information from the Embassy regarding COVID-19 can be found here: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.
American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy, Bangkok
COCO, I am interested that you promote the idea that paying 3,500 baht for you is no problem That's great for you but we are not living in an EXPAT vacuum, because most Thailand people have only limited baht sources and I imagine that they would support the paying for a Covid V for only 427 Baht against 3,500 baht which you can afford.
Regards
I have not read the above posts but here is what the US Embassy said to me:
Good afternoon. We have been in touch with the Buriram provincial officials regarding the May 13 mandate. Per our conversation with them, we understand the following:
Buriram public health officials are currently asking residents and workers to complete a risk assessment form.
Buriram public health officials are evaluating the forms to determine who may be living in a high-risk area and might have COVID-19.
If Buriram public health officials determine a person lives in a high-risk area or a person is suspected of carrying COVID-19, then that person has two options: get vaccinated or risk paying a fine/jail time.
This action is legal in Thailand under the current Emergency Decree, although Buriram is the first province we understand to implement this measure.
Buriram officials cannot force you to take the vaccine and their hope is that people in the risk categories seriously consider getting vaccinated to curb the spread of the disease. AstraZeneca, Sinovac Biotech, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson are approved for use in Thailand.
You can find the full mandate (in Thai) here: http://www.buriram.go.th/covid-19/command/command-13-2564.pdf. We have also attached a flyer (in Thai) which notes the vaccines are not compulsory unless you are in a high-risk area.
The latest information from the Embassy regarding COVID-19 can be found here: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.
American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy, Bangkok
Bullshit answer from the US embassy.
About as useful as the British embassy.
What happens on the ground (not on a flyer) is what happens.
I have not read the above posts but here is what the US Embassy said to me:
Good afternoon. We have been in touch with the Buriram provincial officials regarding the May 13 mandate. Per our conversation with them, we understand the following:
Buriram public health officials are currently asking residents and workers to complete a risk assessment form.
Buriram public health officials are evaluating the forms to determine who may be living in a high-risk area and might have COVID-19.
If Buriram public health officials determine a person lives in a high-risk area or a person is suspected of carrying COVID-19, then that person has two options: get vaccinated or risk paying a fine/jail time.
This action is legal in Thailand under the current Emergency Decree, although Buriram is the first province we understand to implement this measure.
Buriram officials cannot force you to take the vaccine and their hope is that people in the risk categories seriously consider getting vaccinated to curb the spread of the disease. AstraZeneca, Sinovac Biotech, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson are approved for use in Thailand.
You can find the full mandate (in Thai) here: http://www.buriram.go.th/covid-19/command/command-13-2564.pdf. We have also attached a flyer (in Thai) which notes the vaccines are not compulsory unless you are in a high-risk area.
The latest information from the Embassy regarding COVID-19 can be found here: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.
American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy, Bangkok
Bullshit answer from the US embassy.
About as useful as the British embassy.
What happens on the ground (not on a flyer) is what happens.
I spoke to my wife about this mandate in Buriram. I asked why us first. She explained a little about the politics in Buriram. From what I gather the guy that owns the football team is quite powerful.
That would explain a lot. He wants stadiums and race tracks open and full of paying customers no doubt. What better way to get that done than to be a vaccination leader.
I have not read the above posts but here is what the US Embassy said to me:
Good afternoon. We have been in touch with the Buriram provincial officials regarding the May 13 mandate. Per our conversation with them, we understand the following:
Buriram public health officials are currently asking residents and workers to complete a risk assessment form.
Buriram public health officials are evaluating the forms to determine who may be living in a high-risk area and might have COVID-19.
If Buriram public health officials determine a person lives in a high-risk area or a person is suspected of carrying COVID-19, then that person has two options: get vaccinated or risk paying a fine/jail time.
This action is legal in Thailand under the current Emergency Decree, although Buriram is the first province we understand to implement this measure.
Buriram officials cannot force you to take the vaccine and their hope is that people in the risk categories seriously consider getting vaccinated to curb the spread of the disease. AstraZeneca, Sinovac Biotech, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson are approved for use in Thailand.
You can find the full mandate (in Thai) here: http://www.buriram.go.th/covid-19/command/command-13-2564.pdf. We have also attached a flyer (in Thai) which notes the vaccines are not compulsory unless you are in a high-risk area.
The latest information from the Embassy regarding COVID-19 can be found here: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.
American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy, Bangkok
Bullshit answer from the US embassy.
About as useful as the British embassy.
What happens on the ground (not on a flyer) is what happens.
?According to announcement from government I need to inform you that we need to cancel all expats in Thailand even you have Social Security for Vaccination Covid-19. Due to the Vaccine is not enough for now, so we will give to Thai citizen first. We apologize for inconvenience.?
👆The above is an extract from a letter to editor in today?s Bangkok Post.
My thoughts which I tweeted in response:
✅ I?ve been paying tax & social security contributions for many years and I?m perplexed why I and other expats are being treated differently. I always knew Thais were nationalistic. But a global pandemic is not the time for a ?Thais first? attitude. I will not forget.
✅ The excuse that the vaccination registration system is not ready to enter details about foreigners is just not true. Like in my case, the google form even had a field to enter our nationality and passport number. But later, someone in the health department decided ?Thais first?.
You must have waited several days to find some negative reporting! jumping1
So do you think the issue is with that hospital - or Thailand in general?
You must have waited several days to find some negative reporting! jumping1
So do you think the issue is with that hospital - or Thailand in general?
I think I wont be getting it either way , I just posted info from Richard Barrow, if you dont like what he says go and whinge on there !! spot1
I drove into the racetrack parking lot this Tuesday morning. It seemed orderly. The sign translation I received was "please show appointment paper". When the Buriram Government hospital was phoned this morning, I am told that first shot patients must book in advance via "village health volunteers" known as Ao Sor Mor. Mr. Phi Chai receives his 2nd covid 19 vaccination on Thursday. I've run into a customer today who had already received his 2nd vaccination in Buriram. If I get real info on when Moderna or John & Johnson are really available in Buriram I will post. Be Safe, Mr. Bob.Good news! The vaccine you received on June 1st was approved by WHO for emergency use on June 2nd. You should be ok.
I drove into the racetrack parking lot this Tuesday morning. It seemed orderly. The sign translation I received was "please show appointment paper". When the Buriram Government hospital was phoned this morning, I am told that first shot patients must book in advance via "village health volunteers" known as Ao Sor Mor. Mr. Phi Chai receives his 2nd covid 19 vaccination on Thursday. I've run into a customer today who had already received his 2nd vaccination in Buriram. If I get real info on when Moderna or John & Johnson are really available in Buriram I will post. Be Safe, Mr. Bob.
Good news! The vaccine you received on June 1st was approved by WHO for emergency use on June 2nd. You should be ok.
I believe, based on messages from two friends, in Satuk, that the AstraZeneca Covid 19 vaccination is in wide distribution and readily available at Government hospitals as of today. This morning in the Satuk Government hospital two friends, and their respective wives, waited a very short time to receive their first shot of AstraZeneca. I am told that both expats booked in advance via "village health volunteers" known as Ao Sor Mor. I went to that hospital for a different medical reason on Sunday afternoon and I also asked about Covid 19 vaccinations., They directed me to a small building with signs to the left of the Satuk main hospital to obtain more information for the vaccination process in the city of Satuk. FYI, both of my friends are over the age of 50, yet both of their respective Thai wives, look to me to be under the age of 50. Thank you. Mr. Bob in Satuk.
EU drugs regulator lists another rare blood condition as possible AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine side effect
The European Medicines Agency?s (EMA) safety committee has added another rare blood condition to the potential side effects of AstraZeneca?s vaccine, as the UK regulator weighs precautionary advice over capillary leak syndrome.
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More bias from Gerry. Don't like the research, feel free to ignore it.
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More bias from Gerry. Don't like the research, feel free to ignore it.
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EU drugs regulator lists another rare blood condition as possible AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine side effect
The European Medicines Agency?s (EMA) safety committee has added another rare blood condition to the potential side effects of AstraZeneca?s vaccine, as the UK regulator weighs precautionary advice over capillary leak syndrome.
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EU drugs regulator lists another rare blood condition as possible AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine side effect
The European Medicines Agency?s (EMA) safety committee has added another rare blood condition to the potential side effects of AstraZeneca?s vaccine, as the UK regulator weighs precautionary advice over capillary leak syndrome.
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I have had my two doses of Astra Zeneca. I, like many people I know who have also had it, have had no side effects.
To be honest, there has hardly been any bad press here in UK regarding any of the major Covid19 vaccines.
I had more than the weekly recommended amount of alcohol last night alone. Statistically putting myself at more risk of health problems than having a Covid19 vaccine. Am I going to stop drinking? Not likely. party4
WHO very quietly removed the statement that you can get Covid from surfaces. (I think it was one chance in 10 000 or something).
So hand sanitisers are just symbols of something being done.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200903/coronavirus-on-surfaces-whats-the-real-risk
Last time I looked there were 27 scientific studies showing that masks are of little use in protecting yourself. How come I can smell a x through the mask? OP doctors and nurses will tell you that they wear masks to avoid being spattered with blood and stuff. If you have Covid without realising it, the air you breathe in will eventually escape through the mask.
The only reason I can think of to want to be vaccinated would be when I want to travel. Maybe immigration will insist at some point.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/330000-americans-die-china-coronavirus-closer-20000-died-china-coronavirus/
I am not a conspiracy theorist.
So, what are you actually scared of ?
So, what are you actually scared of ?
Pardon? Scared of what, where?
Universal vaccines aren't necessary amd may be more dangerous than covid. Masks are an unnecessary imposition.
Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMAq9gwxpQ&ab_channel=ForbesBreakingNewsForbesBreakingNewsVerified
So, what are you actually scared of ?
Pardon? Scared of what, where?
Universal vaccines aren't necessary amd may be more dangerous than covid. Masks are an unnecessary imposition.
Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMAq9gwxpQ&ab_channel=ForbesBreakingNewsForbesBreakingNewsVerified
Bullshit!
The 50% increase in numbers at the crematorium I own was down to Covid - and not a single one down to any vaccine.
So, what are you actually scared of ?
Pardon? Scared of what, where?
Universal vaccines aren't necessary amd may be more dangerous than covid. Masks are an unnecessary imposition.
Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMAq9gwxpQ&ab_channel=ForbesBreakingNewsForbesBreakingNewsVerified
When will this ever end ?? loco
If nearly a third of the people in the UK are dying from the 'Indian variant' had already been vaccinated, what was the point of the vaccination??
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681613/Study-shows-29-people-died-catching-new-strain-vaccinations.html
This is post by Tassie. I move to here I think is better.
The Bat
And so the cookie starts to crumble... Daylight killers...
The masks begin to fall off!
"The Chinese biological laboratory in Wuhan is owned by Glaxosmithkline,
which (accidentally) owns Pfizer!" (the one who makes the vaccine against
the virus which was (accidentally) started at the Wuhan Biological Lab and
which was (accidentally) funded by Dr. Fauci, who (accidentally) promotes
the vaccine!
"GlaxoSmithKline is (accidentally) managed by the finance division of Black
Rock, which (accidentally) manages the finances of the Open Foundation
Company (Soros Foundation), which (accidentally) manages the French AXA!
"Soros (accidentally) owns the German company Winterthur, which
(accidentally) built a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan and was bought by the
German Allianz, which (coincidentally) has Vanguard as a shareholder, who
(coincidentally) is a shareholder of Black Rock," which (coincidentally)
controls central banks and manages about a third of global investment
capital.
"Black Rock" is also (coincidentally) a major shareholder of MICROSOFT,
owned by Bill Gates, who (coincidentally) is a shareholder of Pfizer (which
- remember - Sells a miracle vaccine and (coincidentally) is now the first
sponsor of the 'WHO!
Now you understand how a dead bat sold in a wet market in China has infected
the ?WHOLE WORLD! " :)
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Due to new Covid clusters in Bangkok, they are talking about lockdown for 7 days. This according to Buriram radio.
Heard last evening of still more people visiting Buriram from Pattaya and Bangkok. No checks, no tests and no isolation. Seems nobody cares at all. All talk. And what about the Buriram governor's demand that all in Buriram get vaccinated? Not much help being provided to get that done!
As I posted in the Shout box .. just heard Surins gone Dark Red ? 7 more provinces have been categorized as ?Dark Red Zone?. They are Chonburi, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin and Ubon Ratchathani
Nothing has been confirmed 100% but I think 99.9% it will happen and if cases continue to increase in other provinces then I can see many more going Dark Red as well in the near future :ohmy:
As I posted in the Shout box .. just heard Surins gone Dark Red ? 7 more provinces have been categorized as ?Dark Red Zone?. They are Chonburi, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin and Ubon Ratchathani
Nothing has been confirmed 100% but I think 99.9% it will happen and if cases continue to increase in other provinces then I can see many more going Dark Red as well in the near future :ohmy:
That's done it !
MAKRO Surin will be busy with panic buyers....especially if, as reported, Makro Buriram was closed because of Covid infections...
With 92 daily cases reported yesterday, Buriram is running close to the criteria for going Red...
As I posted in the Shout box .. just heard Surins gone Dark Red ? 7 more provinces have been categorized as ?Dark Red Zone?. They are Chonburi, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin and Ubon Ratchathani
Nothing has been confirmed 100% but I think 99.9% it will happen and if cases continue to increase in other provinces then I can see many more going Dark Red as well in the near future :ohmy:
That's done it !
MAKRO Surin will be busy with panic buyers....especially if, as reported, Makro Buriram was closed because of Covid infections...
With 92 daily cases reported yesterday, Buriram is running close to the criteria for going Red...
Many of the locals here will survive without Makro. It is quite a distance anyway.
Many of the villagers here have chickens for food and eggs, rice in the store, chilli in abundance, a big dustbin full of fermented fish, fish in the pond, rain water for drinking and some cultivate veggies.
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Would be nice to know if those numbers were actual case of people being ill with Covid or asymptomatic cases were poeple have tested positive for covid ??..From reports I have read the asymptomatic numbers are about 90% -sh
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Would be nice to know if those numbers were actual case of people being ill with Covid or asymptomatic cases were poeple have tested positive for covid ??..From reports I have read the asymptomatic numbers are about 90% -sh
Reading the BEANO again Smithy................. :D
I am sure that an experienced poster such as yourself would post a link if there was a reliable source for that comment...... jumping1
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Would be nice to know if those numbers were actual case of people being ill with Covid or asymptomatic cases were poeple have tested positive for covid ??..From reports I have read the asymptomatic numbers are about 90% -sh
Reading the BEANO again Smithy................. :D
I am sure that an experienced poster such as yourself would post a link if there was a reliable source for that comment...... jumping1
Well they have set up field hospitals for those that are asymptomatic
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2048319/still-enough-beds-at-field-hospitals
Reading the BEANO again Smithy................. :D
I am sure that an experienced poster such as yourself would post a link if there was a reliable source for that comment...... jumping1
They seem to be testing around 10,000peple a day
As I posted in the Shout box .. just heard Surins gone Dark Red ? 7 more provinces have been categorized as ?Dark Red Zone?. They are Chonburi, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin and Ubon Ratchathani
Nothing has been confirmed 100% but I think 99.9% it will happen and if cases continue to increase in other provinces then I can see many more going Dark Red as well in the near future :ohmy:
:biggrin: :biggrin:นำคนตายของคุณออกมา
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Would be nice to know if those numbers were actual case of people being ill with Covid or asymptomatic cases were poeple have tested positive for covid ??..From reports I have read the asymptomatic numbers are about 90% -sh
Reading the BEANO again Smithy................. :D
I am sure that an experienced poster such as yourself would post a link if there was a reliable source for that comment...... jumping1
According to the Public Health Department the vast majority of cases in Chonburi are 18-29 year olds and are over 90 percent asymptomatic, with the remainder of cases nearly entirely mild.
Health officials said most of the cases identified so far have been asymptomatic, reported Reuters news agency.
A further 360 migrant workers tested positive on Monday - the largest daily infection numbers for Covid-19 ever recorded in Thailand.
I?ve heard that those annoyingly loud advertising trucks that tell of the latest 70% discount at big C, or who to vote for in an election, are all being reprogrammed.55555
They will soon be pumping out the sound of a hand bell and the messageนำคนตายของคุณออกมา
surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1
I?ve heard that those annoyingly loud advertising trucks that tell of the latest 70% discount at big C, or who to vote for in an election, are all being reprogrammed.
They will soon be pumping out the sound of a hand bell and the messageนำคนตายของคุณออกมา
surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1
Numbers plummeting.....
Thailand?s Department of Health advises people wear face masks during sex
Thailand's Department of Health has come up with nine measures to limit the spread of Covid-19 through sexual practices.
Couples and lovers should refrain from face to face contact and wear face masks.
There should be no kissing or oral sex, no group sex and cleanliness should be a priority.
The departmental rep responsible for sanitation and sex Dr Pheerayuth Sanugoon spoke to Daily News at the weekend after a young prostitute in Kanchanaburi tested positive raising concerns of a cluster.
Dr Pheerayuth said the issue of safe sex practices was especially important during the pandemic as the consequences for people, their partners and society in general can be serious.
People waiting on a test result should refrain from all sex, for example, and all pay-for-play should be avoided.
Indeed, sex with strangers at parties could constitute an illegal gathering and be prosecuted under Article 9 of the emergency decree. That means fines and even prison.
Restrictions are in place stopping gatherings.
Dr Pheerayuth said that husbands and wives and lovers could still have sex, but they needed to follow nine protocols, which included washing hands and body with lots of soap before and after sex and no kissing or sharing of saliva as this has been shown to contain the virus.
Wearing a cloth mask over a surgical mask covering nose and mouth securely was also advised, as practicing safe sex such as wearing a condom reported Sanook.
https://www.dailynews.co.th/news/138723/
Even those who are totally bored with Covid should have a look at this video - even just the first 7 minutes as it does repeat itself a bit after that.
(courtesy of Bandersnatch on SF)
https://youtu.be/JhRb5hnTseU (https://youtu.be/JhRb5hnTseU)
..Covid still doesn't scare me in any way and as soon as the powers that be say I can travel I will be getting my life back to normal .
No more Sinovac iconurgent iconurgent iconurgent
TIMCAST
Pfizer Announces Twice Daily Pills To Fight COVID, Says You Need Vaccine AND Pills, It'll NEVER End
https://rumble.com/vm1ffq-pfizer-announces-twice-daily-pills-to-fight-covid-says-you-need-vaccine-and.html
I have also said for a long time the Governments should be promoting healthy diets , exercises and vitamins to boost people's immune systems
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How many are Sinovac
Please not use the bad words about Sinovac vaccine. We know some don't like it but not Chinese people fault.
Please remember many Thai people, me too, have family is from China before. Make bad words is not kind.
Thank you.
Please not use the bad words about Sinovac vaccine. We know some don't like it but not Chinese people fault.
Please remember many Thai people, me too, have family is from China before. Make bad words is not kind.
Thank you.
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