Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => Free classifieds - For sale/for rent/wanted => Topic started by: GEOFFREY on July 11, 2016, 07:27:36 PM
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hi all
in England their is an organisation called light up and be seen
its to help prevent accidents happening where people drive with no lights and canot be seen by other drivers
as i am sure you are all aware people in buriram are not to keen on using lights of a night
and police do not seem to be bothered
i just wondered as an organisation of expats is their anyone who knows a government official
that could help hi light to the community the benefits of driving with lights of a night so as to prevent accidents
ps to all that have read about my problems to obtain a residency for selling a car
my friend has just brought a car in chang my yesterday and today obtained his residency cert in khon ken
and re registered it in his name in 40 min in at dlt thier must just be buriram geoff
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Geoffrey,
No insult intended here, but is English your first language? It does not appear so with your either all capital letters or all lower case.
I have remarked to the TW about lights, pointing out to her that when raining cars should turn on their lights, you can see scooters better when raining than cars.
And yes, Thais seem to be very reluctant to turn on their head lamps at dusk. It seems the auto lamp feature for rain and night has not made it as a standard accessory on Thai Vehicles.
But then Thai vehicles also have the feature where you can take your key leaving your vehicle in neutral, which is not a US capability.
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Geoffrey..all motorbike's here in Thailand are made to have their lights on all the time ,you can't turn them off. You only have a choice of high or low beam.
If you have seen motorbike's with no lights, then it is down to the lack of maintenance, not because people like riding around with their lights turned off or forgot to turn them on.Trying to explain general motorbike maintenance to most Thais is like trying to tell a newborn baby not to mess it's diaper ...it's point less :)
TBO..I wouldn't waste your time,things out here are different and although many expats think that maybe they could make a difference ....... I can assure you that they can't , because Thais know best .!! smilenod
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thank you for your comments regarding lights
i am a aware that the problem is a lack of maintenance and maybe education regarding the importance of lights
i am also aware its easy to sit back and do nothing
had i done so i would have taken good advise from dlt and immigration and gone back to rayon so as to sell my car at my expense
it was much better for them to get rid of a problem pass the buck
my thoughts where that police seem to like stopping people and giving them a small fine for what ever
where they to stay out a bit later and remind car owners as well as other vehicle owners
by imposing a small fine maybe the same as they do with c/ helmets it might help educate people and save lives
So is there any one who knows where the Police chief resides and does anyone know a good English Thai translator
that could suggest to him how much extra revenue he could make
most Thai people like money i could be a good incentive for him to help save lives
Re kind comments with English being my first language and use of capitals grammar etc
i am first to admit i did not like English grammar at school still Dont
lazy changing up and down shift lock
i have managed over the years and have 2 company's in England
Where i have people wright letters for me and pay them
not so in Thailand
if any one would like to post on expats for me in correct grammar
i will be happy to buy some beer for them
with the greatest respect for all that like grammar
kindest regards Geoffrey
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You're a good laugh Geoffrey ...can't wait for your next post :biggrin:
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Oh dear, welcome to Thailand.
I have had five wee small hours-visits to the local hospital taking family members that had fallen off their motorbikes, none of them wore helmets, which is also a pet gripe of mine. I could stop helmetless driving inside of a week if I really wanted to. The police very obviously don't really want to. I have seen three people laying on the road with pools of blood around their helmetless heads, presumably dead.
You just have to assume that there is going to be a motorbike without lights heading directly at you, likewise buffalo, elephant etc.
Visit the local police chief? How much cash do you count on taking with you? He will be tickled pink to have a foreigner offering him advice.
I believe that I have noticed a slow increase in the number of cars that use their headlights in poor visibility over the years, so now you have the situation where you see a car coming towards you at a distance of two kilometers but not one that is much nearer but has no lights.
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Geoffrey..all motorbike's here in Thailand are made to have their lights on all the time ,you can't turn them off. You only have a choice of high or low beam.
If you have seen motorbike's with no lights, then it is down to the lack of maintenance, not because people like riding around with their lights turned off or forgot to turn them on.Trying to explain general motorbike maintenance to most Thais is like trying to tell a newborn baby not to mess it's diaper ...it's point less :)
TBO..I wouldn't waste your time,things out here are different and although many expats think that maybe they could make a difference ....... I can assure you that they can't , because Thais know best .!! smilenod
On the flip side of that, it is illegal to drive a car with the lights on when it is not dark.
The only problem now seems to be how to define "dark".
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On the flip side of that, it is illegal to drive a car with the lights on when it is not dark.
The only problem now seems to be how to define "dark".
I read CoCo's traffic law document and do not recall seeing that "it is illegal to drive a car with the lights on when it is not dark".
Please provide the specific law.
And dark is defined as not being able to see clearly beyond 150 meters:Section 11 [/font](500B)[If it gets dark and you cannot see clearly more than 150m, you must turn on the headlight.]
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The specific law as told to me by a policeman.
In Canada cars are fitted with lights that turn on when the engine is turned on, as with motorbikes here. I kn ow many Canadians that have been stopped by police here in Thailand and have been told to turn off their lights or face a fine as in line with Thai law.
As with many things here in Thailand, relying on definitions of the law as laid down in documents is not always wise.
Darkness to be defined as above is a perfect example. Now lets see how many people define "cannot see" and "150 metres" as the same.
Common sense says that most people don't need a law to decide when it is not safe to drive without lights. As when driving through a monsoon, for example. Unfortunately common sense is not always present.
You posted about fonts recently. Why don't you follow your own advise?
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You posted about fonts recently. Why don't you follow your own advise?
Have you been at the beer already? Show exactly where I posted about fonts, looks like alcohol is clouding your memory. You can see the search results for Fonts below, don't see my name there.
And for some reason when I cut and pasted the specific law on headlights, the font came up unreadable and after 4 times of trying to fix it I I just used it as it was.
Also you are basically saying you cannot prove that it is against the law in Thailand to drive with your headlights on during the day.
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FFS Urleft.
I have proved it already. I was asked to attend the police station by a guy who had been fined and did not understand why. I went there and was told that the driver had his lights on and it was daylight. I have since, as already explained, been told that this has happened to others too.
If you are so (read anything you wish) that you don't believe anything that is not on a link or a document then please feel free to go to the police station and ask. I will be happy to come and translate for you as I understand you can't speak Thai.
Indeed it was "caps" you were talking about not fonts, but a comment about typing styles none the less.
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I can confirm what Starman is saying that you can get fined if driving with lights on during the day.
A couple of months ago, I drove from Krasang to Prakhon Chai via the 2208, my Car is equipped with Sensor that switches the Lights on when the car thinks it's too dark. And I got stopped at the (only) checkpoint. The BiB told me to turn of the lights as it wasn't dark yet (however my Car disagreed (biggrin) ;) , but I didn't get a ticket.
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FFS Urleft.
I have proved it already. I was asked to attend the police station by a guy who had been fined and did not understand why. I went there and was told that the driver had his lights on and it was daylight. I have since, as already explained, been told that this has happened to others too.
If you are so (read anything you wish) that you don't believe anything that is not on a link or a document then please feel free to go to the police station and ask. I will be happy to come and translate for you as I understand you can't speak Thai.
Indeed it was "caps" you were talking about not fonts, but a comment about typing styles none the less.
Instead of going to the police station how about you using your knowledge of Thai to show the Thai Law (in Thai is fine) with the section where it is illegal to drive with your headlights on during the day. The Thai law document I used does not have that law, there is a disconnect somewhere.
I can well believe that the Police say it is against the law, but that was not what you first stated.
And if I had typed that part, you may have a valid point on typing styles, but I did not type it, I copied and pasted from this document:
http://thailaws.com/law/t_laws/tlaw0140_5.pdf (http://thailaws.com/law/t_laws/tlaw0140_5.pdf)
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If you believe the police then there it is.
Are you going to ask iammike to show you the law or is personnel experience from him enough for your fickle mind?
I have offered you the opportunity to try to prove what I said as wrong.
Take it or take a hike.
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You're a good laugh Geoffrey ...can't wait for your next post :biggrin:
OR
to see Staman's and URLEFT's friendly post's to each other slapfight
:laugh: :laugh:
As for road safety in Thailand it's all about getting used to the Thai Driving style . After 15 years, I know when I'm out, someone on a Motorbike is going to turn right on a upcoming left turn and drive straight at me on the wrong side of the road.I know when turning left ,someone on a Motorbike is going to be coming down the inside left lane 50 meters before they want to turn right on the wrong side of the road.I also know that Thai drivers are so unpredictable that it is best to drive to a speed that suits the road conditions ( which is a lot slower than I'd drive in the west)
The last time I was back in the UK I had forgotten how fast people drive but they have less accidents than they do it Thailand as the standard of driving is more predictable thus making it safer.There are laws and rules and most people abide by them...unlike here in Thailand where the only chance you have of getting stopped ( in a Rural area ) is at a Police Road block .So a majority of Thais only drive to the law or with a crash helmet on if they know there is a good possibility of them getting stopped...not as a matter of course like it should be .! Most of the roads in Thailand are lawless, where it's survival of the Quick–witted !!
Also there are far more motorbikes here in Thailand than the west. How often do you see people riding motorbikes in the UK in shorts and T Shirts . Most Motorcyclists in the UK wear protective clothing like Jackets,gloves, boots and a Crash helmet , so any the accidents here is going to include multiple road rash injuries and head injuries for those not wearing a Lid .
I still find it hard to believe that car drivers can get fined for driving with their lights on in day-light hours ( something I haven't heard of before, but I'm not saying it isn't true :) ) , but if you can get fined for not having your seat-belt on but it's OK to have 10+ people in the back of a Pickup then anything is possible I guess :biggrin:
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If you believe the police then there it is.
Are you going to ask iammike to show you the law or is personnel experience from him enough for your fickle mind?
I have offered you the opportunity to try to prove what I said as wrong.
Take it or take a hike.
LOL, you make a claim that it is illegal, can't provide the specific law (Note that I provided a specific reference to the 150 meters) and now you say it is up to me to prove you wrong.
Hell, you never proved yourself right. Hearing something said is not proof that it is law, showing the applicable statute is proof it is really the law. You are using "Proof by assertion" :
Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction.[1] Sometimes, this may be repeated until challenges dry up, at which point it is asserted as fact due to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam).[2] In other cases, its repetition may be cited as evidence of its truth, in a variant of the appeal to authority or appeal to belief fallacies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion)
Note the term fallacy which is associated with your proof.
But then that is typical for you, can't back up your assertions with documentation.
As far as mike, he confirmed that the police say it is law, which I have said I believe.
BTW, my TW said the police told her that when you get a ticket they can't give you another one that day. I have been told that several times. But I don't see it as a statute, I am inclined not to believe that one.
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I can confirm that I once received a ticket for no licence, I had left it at home. I got stopped again that day and produced the ticket. No more fine as it was same day.
Now call me a liar again. Go on.
I take it you don't want to go to the police station with me to confirm these facts. Hence you are nothing but a troll. A person trying to get to the truth, as you often say you are, would not turn down such an offer to get the truth from the horse's mouth.
Troll on.
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I can confirm that I once received a ticket for no licence, I had left it at home. I got stopped again that day and produced the ticket. No more fine as it was same day.
Now call me a liar again. Go on.
I take it you don't want to go to the police station with me to confirm these facts. Hence you are nothing but a troll. A person trying to get to the truth, as you often say you are, would not turn down such an offer to get the truth from the horse's mouth.
Troll on.
Starman, why can't you back up your assertion with the written law? Notice, I have nowhere disputed what you heard the police tell you, but if it's illegal, there needs to be written law.
I know that would involve research and using documentation to back up what you say. Now if I would have been in your shoes and was called in to help translate for someone and the police said it was it for driving with with headlights on during the day, I would have asked to see the written law to ensure proper understanding.
I have linked to a written reference which I believe it was CoCo that originally provided, and I did not see your headlight assertion in it. But there are mentions of other regulations that are not provided. So there are several possibilities:
1. The law has been updated since the translation.
2. The translation failed to include that law.
3. The police are ticketing people even though there is no law.
4. Other.
Furthermore the translation uses the term "Vehicles" for most of the statutes, in case of it being illegal to drive with headlights on during the day motorcycles would have to be excluded from the law, or the Police are ignoring the law for that vehicle type.
So you said it is "it is illegal to drive a car with the lights on when it is not dark", you have failed to prove that. What you have done is alert us here that police can/will ticket car/trucks for that supposed infraction.
And you are doing the typical Starman, when pressed to provide a specific reference, link, document, etc. you launch into ridicule.
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A document published in 1979. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Who is likely to stand in front of a police man and say "I don't believe you until you show me written proof"?
The point is that I am willing to prove this point either way. You, it seems, are not.
Best you go and sit back under your little bridge.
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It has been posted on TV that a few people have been fined for driving with the headlights on in the daytime .Something about only Royalty, police escorts and other dignitaries can use lights during the day. :blink:
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/704299-what-daytime-running-lights-to-get/
TBO..if people think it's safer to drive with their headlights on then do it...and just pay the small fine if they are stopped ;)
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What about the farcical situation when a normal service bus is hired out......This seems to give them the right to stay in the outside lane with their headlights on!!
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Well I'm driving with lights on. At checkpoint say yes thank you and a few meters later turn them on again. It's only common sense safety. Which of course has nothing to do with Thai safety.
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A document published in 1979. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Who is likely to stand in front of a police man and say "I don't believe you until you show me written proof"?
The point is that I am willing to prove this point either way. You, it seems, are not.
Best you go and sit back under your little bridge.
Starman, here are facts. Dispute them with exact quotes.
1. I called you a liar, I readily admit that. So was your post I was responding to:
a) The Truth
b) Other
If a) I owe you an apology and will do so when you prove it. If b) than I was correct in what I stated.
2. I have consistently asked you to provide the statute where you stated: "it is illegal to drive a car with the lights on when it is not dark". You have failed to do that. You are the expert on Thai translations, not me, so me talking to the police is useless. Just provide the law. Proof is what is written in the law, not what someone says. Where exactly were you "willing" to provide that documented proof? Again, to back up what I say I would either go to the source to prove it, admit it may not be correct, or back off; all you do is continue to try to prove by repeated (fallacy) assertion and ridiculing me. A typical loser response.
3. And yes, the document I referenced was from 1979 (which I already acknowledged can have been updated). What exact document are you referencing to overrule it? So far you have only provided hearsay.
So as the BE expert on Thai Language and translation, you have yet to provide a single document, you only provided "Proof by assertion". And when called on it you resort to ridicule rather than documents and/or links.
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So you finally prove my point.
Thank you.
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So you finally prove my point.
Thank you.
Yup, I prove that when confronted with facts you cannot handle it. LOL
Now if you call me a liar I say quote my words. You fail to do that. I called you a liar, why don't you challenge me with quoting your words?
As usual Starman has to fall back on ridicule rather than facts.
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Urleft and Starman...please stop or go and get room :laugh:
How about this one ..... A fine day: Driver fined THB400 for not stopping car during national anthem
http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/07/12/fine-day-driver-fined-thb400-not-stopping-car-during-national-anthem
Now I challenge anyone ( or urleft ;) ) to find the law stating that you must stop your car if you hear the national song and/or see the country’s flag being raised.
Just because you can't find the law written down doesn't mean the Police wont fine you if they see fit . People have been fined for Driving with their Car lights on ...FACT.......whether you can find the law written down or not , simple as that :)
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Urleft and Starman...please stop or go and get room :laugh:
How about this one ..... A fine day: Driver fined THB400 for not stopping car during national anthem
http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/07/12/fine-day-driver-fined-thb400-not-stopping-car-during-national-anthem (http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2016/07/12/fine-day-driver-fined-thb400-not-stopping-car-during-national-anthem)
Now I challenge anyone ( or urleft ;) ) to find the law stating that you must stop your car if you hear the national song and/or see the country’s flag being raised.
Just because you can't find the law written down doesn't mean the Police wont fine you if they see fit . People have been fined for Driving with their Car lights on ...FACT.......whether you can find the law written down or not , simple as that :)
Some pointed out that this might be just a hoax, considering that the fine bill is not stamped and there’s no officer’s name written.
From your link sofa-king amazing.
I will be glad to stop when I can get the truth, something that Starman does not recognize.
And sofa king, notice that I recognized that police can fine you without the law. But Starman said it was illegal, which should be proved.
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.. to be continued, inevitably, until someone gets the last word.
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.. to be continued, inevitably, until someone gets the last word.
Quite the opposite, Davu.
I have offered to do exactly what Urleft is asking. I am waiting for a time and date.
Nuff said.
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Some pointed out that this might be just a hoax, considering that the fine bill is not stamped and there’s no officer’s name written.
From your link sofa-king amazing.
Why do you quote just a sentence that suits your purpose ???
According to Daily News, Metropolitan Police Bureau deputy chief Adul Narongsak urged that the fine bill posted on Facebook be thoroughly scrutinized. The officer added that it’s plausible that a fine bill like this might be given in the provinces, where they might be less stringent about stamps and signatures.
Moreover, the officer explained that there really is a law stating that you must stop your car if you hear the national song and/or see the country’s flag being raised. Those who disobey could face up to a THB4,000 fine and two years in prison.
Whether is was a fake/hoax or not Metropolitan Police Bureau deputy chief Adul Narongsak did comfirm that there is a law to show the ticket could be real :)
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Getting back to GEOFFREY'S original post.
I think any scooter accessories business owner, and the Police, are both missing a golden opportunity here.
On the footpath, right next to any Police roadblock, the business guy could set up a temporary shop selling motorcycle globes.
The Police could do a headlight-tailight check on every motorcy, then if there's a non working light, they not release the motorcy until he's purchased a globe from the adjacent footpath shop.
Having purchased a globe, the motorcy rider may actually go to the trouble of fitting it when he gets home.
The footpath seller could also make a mutually satisfactory donation to the Police favourite charity for their efforts.
4 winners in this scenario..
Motorcy owner has working lights and is legal again.
Business guy has made some baht selling globes.
Police have helped reduced the number of unroadworthy motorcys.
Police favourite charity has made an easy little earner.
I know ... it's too logical and simple. Will never happen.
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The problem with that is that the motorcycle owner are likely to not have a licence.
They will then pull up somewhere before the road block and wait until about midday, when the police go home, to proceed.
Next time you are heading towards Buriram and you see a road block under the bridge in front of HomePro, have a look at how many motorcyclists there are in the ESSO petrol station.
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Thank you smoothy
for the most positive reply
we should never say never
all we need is a good Thai translator and volunteers to sell your idea to the police chief
if he made it work in buriram he would get so much praise from other areas and make a good name for himself
regards geoff
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Thank you smoothy
for the most positive reply
we should never say never
all we need is a good Thai translator and volunteers to sell your idea to the police chief
if he made it work in buriram he would get so much praise from other areas and make a good name for himself
regards geoff
Mmmmmm. A group of expats going to the police chief to tell him that he is not doing his job properly.
I don't think so.
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hi starman
the psychology of selling benefits to you
is totally different from telling some one what to do
that is why a clever salesman / lady with enough tenacity
can make you buy some thing that you might have had no intentions of buying
most of us at some time would have had that experience
kind regards geoff
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hi starman
the psychology of selling benefits to you
is totally different from telling some one what to do
that is why a clever salesman / lady with enough tenacity
can make you buy some thing that you might have had no intentions of buying
most of us at some time would have had that experience
kind regards geoff
I'm not sure if you know the way most Thai peoples minds work Geoff :)
If you was giving away FREE light bulbs and not fining people when they are found to have non- working lights then that might encourage people with non working lights to drive to the Check-point to get their FREE Globe. (http://www.footymadstreams.com/Smileys/default/idea1.gif)
They did do something similar with helmet a while back, so when riding your motorcycle or scooter without a helmet you needed to pay a fine, but you also got a helmet for free.....that didn't work either vespa013
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The point is that a group of expats are not going to be granted an audience with the chief of police by just walking into the police station.
First you will need to go to the front desk. The officer there will ask what you want and will write a report. That report will then have to be signed off several times before it even gets to the top man.
Meanwhile there is a story circulating the police station that there are some farang that have an idea that is going to make more work. Secondly it will be seen as farang trying to show them their misgivings. That sort of story will spread in no time.
There will then be many pissed off policemen.
I know an expat that once pissed a policeman off. From then on he was pulled over virtually every time he drove his car or rode his motorbike passed a policeman. There was always something found to be amiss and a fine was always paid.
It got so bad that the guy eventually had to move away from Buriam.
Good luck finding people who are prepared to put their life in Buriram on the line for the sake of a few motorcyclist who probably don't really care about lights anyway.
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I totally agree with Starman. smilenod
You can tell the difference between the Ex-pats that have lived here a long time and those that are newbie 's
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This is an interesting article from the bigchilli.com , even though it's a few years old
http://www.thebigchilli.com/features/how-many-more-lives-will-be-wasted-by-motorcyclists-who-refuse-to-weara-crash-helmet
When the Wife and I brought a new Honda Wave recently we were both offered free helmets but decided to spent some extra Baht on the best Crash helmets they had ( as the ones we had already were getting old and of an inferior quality ) For us it was not big deal spending a little extra cash but for some Thais that extra cash could mean a food bill for a few weeks. Sometimes it's just not down to mindset but limited funds too, to get that little extra bit of protection bike037
I see the Helmet issue being far bigger part of Thailand Road Safety woe's than non-working Motorbike head-lights TBO !!
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My Post #30 was suggesting that a Thai business entrepeneur work in co-operation with the Police. I never suggested that farangs get anywhere near this situation. I agree 100% that we'd be as welcome as a floating turd in the Buriram Public Pool.
Also, non legal motorcy owners would be required to purchase a globe from the footpath seller before their scooter was released from the checkpoint. Not given a free globe ? Where did that come from ?
By forcing owners to actually pay for a globe, they may be more inclined to fit it, rather than throw it in the bin. Even if only a small minority fix their lights, then it's a positive result.
From a Police perspective, I expect it would take all of 10 seconds to check whether headlight/tailight is working. Hardly a time consuming chore.
As for those riders with no licence hiding in petrol stations .... well that may be so, but there's always still heaps of suckers pulled over at every roadblock.
It's all a bit academic really, as none of this will ever eventuate.
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My Post #30 was suggesting that a Thai business entrepeneur work in co-operation with the Police. I never suggested that farangs get anywhere near this situation. I agree 100% that we'd be as welcome as a floating turd in the Buriram Public Pool.
Also, non legal motorcy owners would be required to purchase a globe from the footpath seller before their scooter was released from the checkpoint. Not given a free globe ? Where did that come from ?
By forcing owners to actually pay for a globe, they may be more inclined to fit it, rather than throw it in the bin. Even if only a small minority fix their lights, then it's a positive result.
From a Police perspective, I expect it would take all of 10 seconds to check whether headlight/tailight is working. Hardly a time consuming chore.
As for those riders with no licence hiding in petrol stations .... well that may be so, but there's always still heaps of suckers pulled over at every roadblock.
It's all a bit academic really, as none of this will ever eventuate.
The police usually attempt to pull every motorbike over at a road block.
The point I was trying to make is that riders that know they will be fined will stop and turn around when they see a roadblock.
If they know that a light check is now part of the reason for being stopped they will avoid the place.
There used to be a thing whereby if you are wearing a helmet you did not get stopped. Now you will get stopped for a licence check helmet or not.
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what I have concluded from this post is:
1. Thais do not like to turn on their headlights. When raining or dusk, cars do not have headlights on.
2. Police may ticket you for driving with your headlights on. However, so far there is no written law has been provided to back it up.
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I was talking to a policeman friend yesterday.
He told me that it is illegal to drive a car or ride a motor bike bare chested.
That's a quirky one.
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Women, men, or both? whistle
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That's what I asked. 555.
I was suggested that women may get a lesser punishment.
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I was talking to a policeman friend yesterday.
He told me that it is illegal to drive a car or ride a motor bike bare chested.
That's a quirky one.
It is also illegal to leave your house if you are not wearing underwear.....apparently :biggrin:
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I was talking to a policeman friend yesterday.
He told me that it is illegal to drive a car or ride a motor bike bare chested.
That's a quirky one.
It is also illegal to leave your house if you are not wearing underwear.....apparently :biggrin:
Talking of laws :biggrin: ..... http://www.surinfarang.com/forum/threads/home-made-jungle-wine.22265/#post-182995
Brewing at Home and the Law,.... http://www.homebrewthailand.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=68&Itemid=81
The maximum penalties for brewing or fermenting alcohol - wine or beer, for example - are lower: 200 baht for making it and 5,000 baht for selling it.'
Don't worry Gotlost it's only 200 Baht alcoholic
(http://www.homebrewthailand.com/images/stories/cartoon%20police.jpg)