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Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: urleft on January 18, 2017, 12:12:41 PM

Title: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on January 18, 2017, 12:12:41 PM
Wow, just completed getting a new extension at Buriram Immigration (BI), almost a pleasure after having to deal with KCI.  Based on Thailand Bart’s experience I took the following:

·    Passport
·    Copies of all used pages of Passport
·    Income Verification (I used an Embassy Letter)
·    They also asked for copy of TW’s ID which we provided
·    Photo
·    1900 baht

That was it.  They had me sign the Passport copies and TM 7 they provided.

I then had them add a multi-entry Visa.  I provided:

·    Passport
·    Copies of all used pages
·    Photo
·    3800 baht

They had me sign the Passport copies and TM 8 they provided.

As back up I had the housebook (with copies) and updated bankbooks, but they were not required. 

I arrived at 0945 got #25, and was done by 1040.  They provided the TM 7 and TM 8, took my photo (but still required a photo back for both).  Very professional. 

BTW, BI is Now Air Conditioned (looks like donated by a local business, Lanee(?))


Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on January 19, 2017, 08:30:54 AM
Some additional items:

-  The agent said that 90 day on-line reporting is not working for BI and I would have to visit in person in April.

-  The 10 year visa has not been implemented yet.  They are aware that it is coming, hopefully available for next year. 

-  On the 1st desk there are numbers to get in line. 

Out of all my experiences dealing with Thailand Immigration to include Korat and KCI, this BI office is very professional and helpful in their support.  We are very lucky to have this office here. 
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on January 19, 2017, 08:59:55 AM
Just a very minor thing to look out for. When I was there I noticed they don't look after the 'take a number'system very well. Saw that some people who had finished just left heir number on the table and it wasn't placed at back of pack. Next person through the door took loose number sitting on table and was straight to front of queue.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: KeithD on February 27, 2017, 06:13:14 PM
An update from urleft's post on January 18.

I went to the Buriram Immigration office today for my first retirement extension, having used Non Os from Savannakhet for several years.

I submitted the documents suggested by Urleft which was fine until they reached the British Embassy letter.

The I.O. told that he was unhappy with the embassy letter as proof of income as, although the embassy had seen the supporting documents, he hadn't.

He initially told me that I needed to supply a copy of my Thai bank statement showing the pension payments being received on a monthly basis; my wife later told me that he said to her that he wanted statements for the previous six months.

Luckily I had with me the documents that I had previously submitted to the embassy, and after some discussion he agreed to accept those; even though only one of the three was an original, the others being printed copies.

Following that everything went fine with the issue of the extension and re-entry permit.

Coincidentally, I heard last week of an American guy who lives locally to us, who was recently refused a retirement extension at Buriram for the same reason, even though he had previously had several extensions with no problems.

Is this just Buriram Immigration? Is this just one I.O making his own rules?

Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: jmcet on February 28, 2017, 09:01:42 AM
Just a quick note. Did my 3rd retirement extension at BI last week. Was questioned about embassy letter of income. IO said it was quite high and neither my bank account or the wife's shows any income from outside of the country. I was more or less expecting this and told the officer that we used the ATM to access money from the states.
I had copies of the receipts, (balance blacked out) showing the 200 Bht fee. He had no problem after that to issue the extension and reentry. entire process took about 1 hour and that included waiting 30 minutes to be served.
I can understand his concerns and was prepared. Service IMO was polite and professional. Much better than KCI had been in the past
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: SOM LUCK on March 01, 2017, 07:06:58 AM
I had much the same experience. The IO asked to see Pass book deposit info as a back up for embassy income statement. He was very professional and polite. Whole thing took less than 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Starman on March 01, 2017, 08:24:52 AM
I know of a couple of guys who had similar problems at KCI, prior to Buriram immigration opening.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: BillH52 on March 01, 2017, 07:56:02 PM
Did my 90 day yesterday.  Could not have been better.  Answered several questions for me; i.e, how might I change the expire/renewal date to 60 days later than is currently set (end of September). Answer - will be addressed at time of renewal. Sorted out the missing multi entry issue I was having; resulted in obtaining a single entry for the remainder of this extension year.  All 3 IO's very helpful and patient with my horribly selective hearing issue. 

At the renewal time, only paperwork required will be the Embassy income document and bank statement. 

Nothing new re 10 yr retirement, yet. 
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: waynesurin on March 02, 2017, 08:07:54 AM
Excellent thread.  Thanks for the information.  I will be converting to a marriage visa in the coming months and appreciate the information.  Can you provide an address or general location?
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Starman on March 02, 2017, 08:13:04 AM
Do you not live in Surin??

Also.. What exactly do you mean when you say you are "converting to a marriage visa"?
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: waynesurin on March 02, 2017, 08:24:14 AM
Yes, I guess I will have to go to surin city?  I will be living near Satuek, just outside over the border.  I currently have a one year multiple entry Non-O. 
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Starman on March 02, 2017, 08:47:31 AM
If your postal address is Surin you will need to go to Kap Cheong.

What you will be doing is applying for an extension based on being married to a Thai.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on March 02, 2017, 07:58:50 PM
Guys, 
Can anyone give me a quick summary of the requirements when I get a new passport. I currently have retirement extension and re-entry permit in existing passport. When I renew, how does that all transfer to the new passport??

Thanks
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Starman on March 02, 2017, 08:01:29 PM
When you get your new passport you ask for a letter to request transfer of stamp. You then go to immigration with new passport and letter and your stamps will be transferred.

Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on March 02, 2017, 08:09:03 PM
So I request that at the British Embassy in Bangkok and then take letter with new and old passport to Buriram immigration.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Starman on March 02, 2017, 08:14:03 PM
So I request that at the British Embassy in Bangkok and then take letter with new and old passport to Buriram immigration.

Not exactly. You don't apply for a new passport at the Embassy. They have out sourced the service. Can't remember the name of the place.

I renewed my passport last year and also got my daughter her first passport. I used a service offered by Thai Widows and Expats. Very convenient.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on March 02, 2017, 08:19:25 PM
Thanks. I think the company is VFS and they have now moved to Sukumvidt Soi 13 - Trendy Building.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on March 02, 2017, 08:51:11 PM
When you get your new passport you ask for a letter to request transfer of stamp. You then go to immigration with new passport and letter and your stamps will be transferred.


Probably at a cost of 500 Baht (no receipt).
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on March 02, 2017, 08:56:52 PM
Guys, 
Can anyone give me a quick summary of the requirements when I get a new passport. I currently have retirement extension and re-entry permit in existing passport. When I renew, how does that all transfer to the new passport??

Thanks

I will defer to the British on how to get a UK Passport. 

However, there is a form to transfer the stamp from old to new passport.  Whether BI will do for you or you should bring is something for us to find out, maybe even a report from you. 

This service is supposed to be free, but KCI charged me 500 baht with no receipt.  Here is my posting for when I had the transfer done:
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7614.msg47005.html#msg47005 (http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7614.msg47005.html#msg47005)

I provided the following:


- Thai Form to change to new passport (attached)
- Old Passport
- Copies of All used pages
-  New Passport
- Copies of All used pages


Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on March 02, 2017, 09:09:02 PM
Thanks. I think the company is VFS and they have now moved to Sukumvidt Soi 13 - Trendy Building.

Indeed.

The British embassy plays no role in British passports (other than issuing emergency travel documents in lieu thereof). Passports are a function of Her Majesty's Passport Office, which is part of the Home Office.

In Thailand application is made via HMPO's agents VfS Global who, as Freddy mentioned, are located in the Trendy Building in Sukhumvit soi 13.

In theory application must be made in person and once issued in Liverpool the passport is returned to VfS for personal collection. A third party can be authorised to present the application and collect  the new passport This is useful for those too busy/lazy/disinclined to complete the paperwork and troll off the Bangkok - twice. Starman obviously falls into the "too busy" category and took the third party route.

Freddy, out of interest, are you renewing because of a looming expiry date or a full passport ?

Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on March 02, 2017, 10:03:12 PM
Looming expiry date. Still a few months off. Just getting ahead of the game.

Can you just clarify regarding the transfer of visa, retirement extension and re-entry permit from old to new. Do VFS automatically provide the letter requesting transfer for  Buriram immigration or do I have to request it? Also, I am assuming that I retain my current passport ( it doesn't get sent off to Liverpool) and then keep it when I collect the new passport so that things can be transferred.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on March 02, 2017, 10:19:37 PM
Looming expiry date. Still a few months off. Just getting ahead of the game.

Can you just clarify regarding the transfer of visa, retirement extension and re-entry permit from old to new. Do VFS automatically provide the letter requesting transfer for  Buriram immigration or do I have to request it? Also, I am assuming that I retain my current passport ( it doesn't get sent off to Liverpool) and then keep it when I collect the new passport so that things can be transferred.

Freddy, a  link for you:-


https://www.gov.uk/overseas-passports

That will lead you into everything including cost, supporting documents, photos,  etc


They quote a 4 week turn round time (they have been achieving better but it depends whether you going to Bangkok yourself) so don't run the expiry date too tight - and obviously get the new passport before your next extension is due. Remember that HMPO will 'credit' you with up to 9 months (I think) unexpired time.

Your old passport does not go to Liverpool but colour copies of every page (including blanks) do. You will need to supply evidence of address and you pay by credit card authority

See below re 'visa transfer letter':-.... it looks like it comes automatically.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/491945/Visa_Transfer_Information.pdf



Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on March 02, 2017, 10:26:46 PM
Cheers Co-Co. Excellent info.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on March 02, 2017, 10:35:58 PM
Apologies to Keith for hijacking his Retirement Extension thread.................................. I have now pasted the last few posts into a new "UK Passports" thread.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on March 03, 2017, 06:35:33 AM
Apologies to Keith for hijacking his Retirement Extension thread.................................. I have now pasted the last few posts into a new "UK Passports" thread.

Ray,

No problem as there is relevance.  And I seem to recall that if you do not have a full year from your extension left on your passport before it expires then you will not get the new extension. 


However, a new thread sounds like a good thing as that as specific fix to a recurring issue.  And here is the link to your post:
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,9261.0/topicseen.html



Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on March 03, 2017, 08:48:12 AM
Apologies to Keith for hijacking his Retirement Extension thread.................................. I have now pasted the last few posts into a new "UK Passports" thread.

Ray,

No problem as there is relevance.  And I seem to recall that if you do not have a full year from your extension left on your passport before it expires then you will not get the new extension. 


However, a new thread sounds like a good thing as that as specific fix to a recurring issue.  And here is the link to your post:
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,9261.0/topicseen.html

Thanks Keith.

Just to confirm - immigration will only approve an extension to the expiry date of a passport if there is less than 12 months validity remaining. The cost remains the same i.e. 1,900 Baht
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on March 03, 2017, 09:19:23 AM


Thanks Keith.

Just to confirm - immigration will only approve an extension to the expiry date of a passport if there is less more than 12 months validity remaining. The cost remains the same i.e. 1,900 Baht

Corrected for you.  I would also say it has to be from the date of the extension, I did my extension Jan 8, but the extension date was 14 Feb. 
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: buckwhelk on March 05, 2017, 09:42:22 AM
When you get your new passport you ask for a letter to request transfer of stamp. You then go to immigration with new passport and letter and your stamps will be transferred.


Probably at a cost of 500 Baht (no receipt).
I can confirm that BI charge 500 baht to transfer the stamps to your new passport. I got a new passport in early October (courtesy of Thai Widows & Expats - great service) and BI transferred the stamps.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Tod Daniels on April 02, 2017, 04:46:55 PM
In Bangkok (and other offices) you can certainly apply for and get an extension of stay IF your passport has less than a year remaining on it,
BUT
you'll only get the extension dated to the expiration date of your passport.

Once you get your new passport you can go back, move the stamps and for another 1900baht apply for the remainder of the extension.

I just had a brit friend who'd never noticed his last extension was only dated until Jan (when his passport expired). By the time he did notice it he was on a 38 day overstay. We went out to the immigration office in Bangkok, paid the 19K baht in overstay fines and immediately applied for and got a whole new year's extension of stay dated from the day we went out there.

The officer did say; IF the overstay had been over 40 days (the maximum amount of 500baht a day fines you can accrue) they would have denied selling him the new year's extension. They would have fined him 20K for the overstay, sold him an extension denied emergency 7 days to get outta dodge stamp for 1900baht & sent him outta the country to start the whole process over.

Different offices do things differently.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on April 08, 2017, 09:43:19 AM
As I mentioned I get the multi-entry permit, the number of that permit is what you need to put on the TM 6 (Visa No.) when you come back to Thailand.  While checking it I realized I could not decipher the number, it could be 81, 61, 121 or something else.  So when I did my 90 day this week I asked them, they said 21. 

Bottom line here is you should check to make sure you can read the number before you travel.   
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on May 30, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
Almost a nightmare today- I told the missus this morning that it had the potential to be a 'disaster day'.


Why?


Well, I have always done my Retirement extensions against an embassy income letter. However, this year I was in a position where I could use the bank letter method. This was because I had opened a Sterling FCD with Bangkok Bank and had shifted Pounds from the UK to that new account.I knew that FCD monies could be used for extension purposes. I took the precaution of checking with BKB, Buriram that a bank letter could be issued on demand.

An hour and a half in Bangkok Bank (excluding the 25 minutes we went out for a kwitiow).

I do like the staff in BKB they are generally friendly, smile a lot, look good and are basically helpful and Farang-friendly. What I don't like (from any service provider) is a stock answer of mai dai (or mai roo) when their own ignorance or lack of knowledge/experience does not extend to giving the RIGHT answer. The Thai culture/habit of giving the best answer they think is right does not help in these situations.

What I didn't know was that I was the FIRST person to request a bank letter for immigration , based on a FCD, at Buriram branch  smilenod

Eventually, and after a 15 min power cut, the said letter was produced. Perfect. 100 Baht willingly handed over for the service. I had already updated my savings account book and noted that the FCD passbook was too wide to fit in the update machine. So I asked the manager? if she could update the passbook for me After much consultation it was deemed that it wasn't possible to update in the branch and only Bangkok could update it. She also produced an 'update letter' regarding the account.  No problem, I thought, I also have 4 months' online bank statements evidencing that the balance had not fallen below 800,000 Baht equivalent.

Off I went to Immigration - a happy man with my bank letter in my hand.


Things improved even further when I arrived - only one person in front of me so I was immediately called up by the round-faced subordinate with the basin hair cut. He went through my forms, handed out the 'overstay letter' for signature and another letter that just looked like a request for an extension on which I wrote 'Retirement'. He thumbed through the bank paperwork and referred to the slightly younger guy in the middle (with a bit of chin growth). At this point I was told to sit down until said younger officer was free.

Five minutes later he was and I bounded over with my (already scrutinised) paperwork.

The bank paperwork was an issue. He said we have to check very carefully about the funds being in the bank - and for 3 months. I said that I fully appreciated that but surely the evidence was there with:-

The bank letter.
The bank 'update' letter.
My online statements for 4 months


"NO!"     -  the issue was that the passbook was not updated. I did invite him to speak to Phuket, Chonburi or Khon Kaen immigration offices where I knew that FCDs had been used successfully. ........ NO..... the passbook must be updated, even if it does have to go to Bangkok.

"OK", I said, but a couple of questions:-


One...... why do you even go to the bother of getting applicants to obtain a bank letter if you are only interested in the passbook as a source of reference?  (he didn't answer that one!  2guys )


Two...... if I get the passbook updated, via Bangkok, the date is not going to match the bank letter (which your rules state must be dated the same day as the extension application is submitted) ............. so are you saying I will need a new letter?


Fortunately, he softened here and said "No, this letter is OK. Just get the passbook updated and bring everything back to me,..... direct to me".


That should be OK then, as long as Bangkok Bank don't lose my passbook in the next 19 days !!



Lessons learned for next year:-


Retain a copy of the BKB FCD letter just in case they do no more in the next 12 months.

Request a passbook update 2 weeks before putting in the extension application.

Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 30, 2017, 08:40:51 PM
The Robinson office can't do it either. They assured me the main office in buriram could. Guess I'll plan a trip to BKK next year as I am doing border hop tomorrow.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on May 30, 2017, 08:46:23 PM
Several years ago I tried the income verification using a bank statement and like in your case turned into a big hassle.  So I use the Embassy letter and have a mini vacation is Bangkok getting it.  Since the Embassy statement is good for 6 months that allows flexibility. 

However, maybe if you had put a few 1000 baht notes in your passbook before handing it to them it may have provided a different outcome.   
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on May 30, 2017, 08:50:45 PM
Several years ago I tried the income verification using a bank statement and like in your case turned into a big hassle.  So I use the Embassy letter and have a mini vacation is Bangkok getting it.  Since the Embassy statement is good for 6 months that allows flexibility. 

However, maybe if you had put a few 1000 baht notes in your passbook before handing it to them it may have provided a different outcome.


 :biggrin: :biggrin:


I was only trying to save a few Bob by not paying the embassy fee of 2,300 Baht.....................



Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 ?€“ Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on May 30, 2017, 09:05:47 PM
I'd been considering opening a FCD account with Bangkok bank. Currently I have 800,000 baht that I just let sit in a fixed interest savings account. If in the position to do so, wouldn't it be easier to take out 800,000 from the FCD when the rate improves and do the same. I know an element of the flexibility that the FCD provides is lost but as it has to sit there for a 90 day minimum anyway it seems a simpler option.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 ??? Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on May 30, 2017, 09:12:09 PM
I'd been considering opening a FCD account with Bangkok bank. Currently I have 800,000 baht that I just let sit in a fixed interest savings account. If in the position to do so, wouldn't it be easier to take out 800,000 from the FCD when the rate improves and do the same. I know an element of the flexibility that the FCD provides is lost but as it has to sit there for a 90 day minimum anyway it seems a simpler option.



A number of people on Surin Farang forum (and on here) opened FCD's earlier this year.


Two main reasons for me........ the first being the expectation that (eventually) Sterling/Baht will recover to the 50 mark.In any event the rates moves and with an FCD you can transfer when YOU like the rate.

Secondly, when transferring funds into Baht you get the full TT rate with no commission charges. OK you pay small charges when Sterling is transferred in but I like getting the full TT rate.


Onine Banking with Bangkok Bank is very good and it is easy to transfer funds out.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on May 30, 2017, 09:26:21 PM
OK, so I get that you have the flexibility to change the sterling deposit to baht when you feel the rate is good. What I'm asking is:- once you've done your current extension you then have 9 months in hand before needing to season 800,000. Why not open a fixed rate savings account and over the next 9 months or in one hit, as and when rates are good, change Serling to baht and put it in that account. Bank letter is easy and update of passbook is easy.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on May 30, 2017, 09:36:37 PM
OK, so I get that you have the flexibility to change the sterling deposit to baht when you feel the rate is good. What I'm asking is:- once you've done your current extension you then have 9 months in hand before needing to season 800,000. Why not open a fixed rate savings account and over the next 9 months or in one hit, as and when rates are good, change Sterling to baht and put it in that account. Bank letter is easy and update of passbook is easy.


Fair point.


Personal choice I guess. Now I know the system the bank letter for FCDs is not that much more complex.I don't really want to have the best part of 800k Baht in an account from exchanging at current rates. I agree that GBP/THB could possibly hit a figure that attracts me - if I see enough of those occasions then it may be worth having 800k Baht around; a fixed rate account/bond then becomes a reality.


My instinct is that I will finish up spending my current FCD balance over the next 9 months, whilst retaining Sterling in the UK, and then transfer a lump into the FCD at least 3 months before y extension date.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Tassie on May 31, 2017, 05:49:24 AM
What is a FCD?
Regards
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on May 31, 2017, 07:40:31 AM
Foreign Currency Deposit. Your money is held  in its originating currency and converts to baht as and when you withdraw it/transfer it to a current or deposit account. You get the bank exchange rate on the day. Means you can bring money over ready but not convert until your happy with rate or need it.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: nookiebear on May 31, 2017, 01:20:53 PM
What is a FCD?
Regards
They make special deals for Aussies too!!
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on May 31, 2017, 01:30:47 PM
Think only on the 2nd Wednesday of each month. For Americans it's twice a year but they don't tell you which days.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Tassie on May 31, 2017, 03:19:56 PM
Many thanks for the info.
Regards
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on June 05, 2017, 06:04:45 PM

Just a quick follow up to last week's visit.


The FCD passbook has been updated in Bangkok and returned to Buriram today (call received 10.00 am).


I duly picked it up and headed to Buriram Immigration.


Only 2 other people being dealt with and my my man was on the phone. When he finished his call I presented myself to him with the BKB passbook (and other papers) and reminded him that e told me to come back to see him. He efficiently, courteously and professionally dealt with my extension and then processed my multiple re-entry request.

All done in less than half an hour. The Immigration Officer's name was khun Arkhad Thonglon and in 12 years of dealing with Immigration I have never had such good service. His English was impeccable (albeit with a slight American accent) and, at the end, when he said "have a good day" it felt as if he meant it.

If I understood him correctly he may be leaving Buriram Immigration; he said he would like to stay permanently but that "might be difficult". I sincerely hope that we do not lose him.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Ahab on July 13, 2017, 06:34:23 AM
Has anyone ever been asked to provide a blue book (with owner) when applying for an extension of stay based on retirement in Buriram? An English gentleman (11 year expat) told me it was a requirement, but this is not something I have ever heard of. I am planning on applying for my first extension in the next couple of days. I have a US Embassy letter and will update my bank book on the way to Buriram (and will bring other documentation that might be needed).
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: SOM LUCK on July 13, 2017, 06:39:41 AM
The blue book wasn't necessary 2 months ago when I did mine.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Ahab on July 13, 2017, 06:42:09 AM
The blue book wasn't necessary 2 months ago when I did mine.
Based on everything I have ever heard it isn't a requirement, but I thought I would ask. I will post how it goes after I get back.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on July 13, 2017, 08:12:11 AM
Has anyone ever been asked to provide a blue book (with owner) when applying for an extension of stay based on retirement in Buriram? An English gentleman (11 year expat) told me it was a requirement, but this is not something I have ever heard of. I am planning on applying for my first extension in the next couple of days. I have a US Embassy letter and will update my bank book on the way to Buriram (and will bring other documentation that might be needed).


The requirement is that you have to evidence your address ie satisfy them on your place of residence.


In theory for a retirement extension that needs to be no more than correspondence etc showing you at the said address. A yellow tabien ban or ID card or even a driving licence should do that. In practice they often like the comfort of something signed from your Thai partner; usually their ID card and any other other documents they choose..

Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Ahab on July 13, 2017, 09:16:24 AM
I will be bringing my driver license, pink ID card, yellow house book, a copy of my wife's ID card, my wife, all required documents listed near the beginning of this thread, and supporting documents for income. Plan on driving up tomorrow morning from Lahansai. I will post an update tomorrow on how it goes.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Ahab on July 14, 2017, 12:41:16 PM
We arrived at 1000, (#14) and waited until 1120 to be seen. Departed Buriram Immigration at 1150 with a retirement extension and multi-re-entry permit.
I provided:
My passport
Income cert from USA Embassy
Copy of info and visa pages in passport
Copy of my wife's Thai ID card
Two photos
5700 baht
I also had my yellow book, bank book, and ATM receipts (which were not needed).
They told us that Friday is the worst day to come (I am not saying which days are best for personal reasons).
Very smooth. I was asked if I wanted change for the 6000 baht I handed over. It was voluntary.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on July 14, 2017, 12:48:16 PM
We arrived at 1000, (#14) and waited until 1120 to be seen. Departed Buriram Immigration at 1150 with a retirement extension and multi-re-entry permit.
I provided:
My passport
Income cert from USA Embassy
Copy of info and visa pages in passport
Copy of my wife's Thai ID card
Two photos
5700 baht
I also had my yellow book, bank book, and ATM receipts (which were not needed).
They told us that Friday is the worst day to come (I am not saying which days are best for personal reasons).
Very smooth. I was asked if I wanted change for the 6000 baht I handed over. It was voluntary.

Well done,


LOL......Talk about 'loaded question'    :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on July 14, 2017, 02:35:22 PM
Congrats. I guessing you declined the change.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Ahab on July 14, 2017, 03:56:14 PM
I did decline the change, but I was happy with the fast service and I could have always said yes.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on July 14, 2017, 09:45:58 PM
Glad everything worked out for you.  I try to avoid going to Governement offices (regardless of country) on Mondays and Fridays. 

Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Ahab on July 15, 2017, 06:25:26 AM
Glad everything worked out for you.  I try to avoid going to Governement offices (regardless of country) on Mondays and Fridays.
Thank you Urleft for starting the original post. The information was very helpful and appreciated.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on July 20, 2017, 02:34:27 AM
I was told the US Embassy has a new Income form.  I'm attaching a PDF, it appears the fields can be filled by computer.  If you look at the file name it ends in 0517 so it appears to be from May. 


Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Ahab on July 20, 2017, 04:36:32 PM
 That looks like the one I used, but I was unable to fill the fields in on my computer. I had to print it out and fill it in by hand.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on July 20, 2017, 05:40:27 PM
That looks like the one I used, but I was unable to fill the fields in on my computer. I had to print it out and fill it in by hand.

If you open the PDF in a web browser (e.g., directly from the embassy web site) the fields will probably not be supported.  You need to save and open the document in Adobe.  I just did, filled in the fields and printed it.  I also have the saved filled in version on my thumb drive, just verified it would display again with the saved data.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: bonghead on September 06, 2017, 12:04:46 PM
Good luck today, went for 90 day, and retirement extension, arrived at 10-35 took seat waited 5 minutes
called to desk, out 10-55 all done.   bananadance
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on January 11, 2018, 02:55:44 PM

Amazing, obtained a new extension today, followed what I said on post #1 and it worked.  Arrived at 1020, exit 1040 with new extension and multi-entry permit.  Just to add:

-  Needed to provide front/back copy of my TW's ID
-  Signed front/back BI provided form on overstay penalties.   
-  BI accepted my US Embassy income verification that I obtained in Aug with no questions or backup data.

Easiest new extension I have ever obtained.  BI was very professional and efficient.  Nice to have some consistency.   bravo1

Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: PhilJ on January 12, 2018, 10:39:24 AM
Excellent! Hear anything about on-line 90-day reporting? thx
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on January 12, 2018, 10:56:42 AM
Excellent! Hear anything about on-line 90-day reporting? thx

No change that I have heard, check out this thread: 
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,9394.0.html
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: PhilJ on January 12, 2018, 11:15:04 AM
Thanks again! Just thought there might be news-just wishful thinking!!!
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: fishy on January 12, 2018, 09:16:49 PM
Did my yearly extension last week. Only minor hiccup was having two Bank Books as one was full. Even though the transaction dates on my account showed a withdrawal the day the book was full and another withdrawal the very next day which showed in the new book. Balances added up?? I was told it would be better to do another transaction the same day I received the new Bank book which would for some reason show that the bank book was following on?? This is Thailand..   
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on January 13, 2018, 09:51:30 AM
The bank book issues are why I just use an embassy statement.  Three times I have tried to use bank books and 2 turned into the big problems and revisits to the bank.  The 3rd became unusable because I had a joint account which is unacceptable to Thailand Immigration.  So for me it's just easier to get at embassy in Bangkok.  Since the embassy income statement is good for 6 months I most likely will be in Bangkok for some reason anyway.  Note that I stated this last time my statement was dated August and I got the extension this January with no income issues.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on January 13, 2018, 10:46:08 AM
I have found Buriram Immigration far easier than KCI to deal with but have never had a problem with bank books at either. I'm fortunate I guess that I'm able to leave the required 8,000,000 untouched in a separate savings account and simply update the book at the same time I get the letter from the bank.
My latest extension (Dec) I also presented my current account book with copies to demonstrate living expenses In/out and they didn't even look, just handed it back to me. My savings book with the 800,000 was accepted with only the single update from the previous day and the addition of the years interest being the transaction they want to see. Simplest way if you are able to do it.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 01, 2018, 05:00:30 PM
Well color me a dummy.

Went to Buriram immigration today for simple 90 day report and re entry permit which is really a visa but more on that in a bit.

Backstory:  I got a non-o A based on retirement two years ago. My last entry on that visa was May last year. Last December I traveled and the immigration officer gave me another year. I questioned it. He got a bit testy and said yes one year. Go.

So in March I went to do my 90 day at Buriram and again questioned the one year permission to stay and again how dare I question them. I gave you one year. Go!

Back to today. 90 day report and entry visa.

WAIT!  Your visa expired 2 days ago. I reminded him of our last conversation.

Big boss comes over. Everyone laughs. Not sure at what. Boss asked if I was married. I said yes. Why didn?t you bring wife?  No need to.

That didn?t sit well. He said go get wife proof of funds in bank or income letter. I don?t have affidavit just letter from retirement. Ok bring it. See you Monday. I said no see you in an hour!

Back to immigration with wife and documents in 45 minutes. They were shocked.

Without all of the details here is how it turned out:

Even though date in passport is wrong it is my responsibility. I was asked which visa number I put on my arrival card. I pointed to the number on the original visa. WRONG!  You must use the VISA number on the reentry VISA so it is definitely your fault!

So.....  overstay fine and stamp in passport. 1000 baht
60 day extension 1900 baht
Service fee 1000 baht no receipt for this one!

So I?ll do an extension in about 55 days.

Just beware and check the dates and be more persistent than I was if there is an error.

I was informed that a letter from the embassy is no longer sufficient proof. They want documents from the bank showing transfers of money into Thailand!

Ok time for a scotch and some ibuprofen!!!

Oh and they really take offense to taking photos of documents!  He shouldn?t have left the desk!!!!
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: iammike on June 01, 2018, 05:16:32 PM
Sorry to hear about your troubles.

I always write the Re-Entry permits number (which is very short for Buriram as it's something like xxx/61 (with 61 being the year))  on the TM.6 form, but I also write (Re-Entry) after that, fortunately never had a problem.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 01, 2018, 05:19:01 PM
I?ve made a few trips and always used the big visa number and no one corrected me. Wish they had.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 01, 2018, 05:48:31 PM
Actually the reason for posting this is so others don?t make the same mistakes I did. Immigration was actually very cordial and saw I was getting frustrated and did a good job of keeping things on a calm level. I have always been treated well there.  I think they gave me a little leeway this time. Thank goodness for my wife and her meticulous record keeping. She just grabbed the correct folder and off we went back to immigration.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: iammike on June 01, 2018, 05:56:56 PM
I?ve made a few trips and always used the big visa number and no one corrected me. Wish they had.

Those IO's at the Border couldn't care less. If they see that your Visa is still valid then it's oke for them. You really have to point that out to them unfortunately. They also don't know that you are on a extension of stay (Retirement/Marriage or something else).

You only would have gotten "grief" from them when arriving and your Visa had expired.

Indeed lucky with your wife had the correct stuff, we usually need a couple of hours / days to sort everything out ;) biggrin
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Starman on June 01, 2018, 06:11:47 PM
Well color me a dummy.

Went to Buriram immigration today for simple 90 day report and re entry permit which is really a visa but more on that in a bit.

Backstory:  I got a non-o A based on retirement two years ago. My last entry on that visa was May last year. Last December I traveled and the immigration officer gave me another year. I questioned it. He got a bit testy and said yes one year. Go.

So in March I went to do my 90 day at Buriram and again questioned the one year permission to stay and again how dare I question them. I gave you one year. Go!

Back to today. 90 day report and entry visa.

WAIT!  Your visa expired 2 days ago. I reminded him of our last conversation.

Big boss comes over. Everyone laughs. Not sure at what. Boss asked if I was married. I said yes. Why didn?t you bring wife?  No need to.

That didn?t sit well. He said go get wife proof of funds in bank or income letter. I don?t have affidavit just letter from retirement. Ok bring it. See you Monday. I said no see you in an hour!

Back to immigration with wife and documents in 45 minutes. They were shocked.

Without all of the details here is how it turned out:

Even though date in passport is wrong it is my responsibility. I was asked which visa number I put on my arrival card. I pointed to the number on the original visa. WRONG!  You must use the VISA number on the reentry VISA so it is definitely your fault!

So.....  overstay fine and stamp in passport. 1000 baht
60 day extension 1900 baht
Service fee 1000 baht no receipt for this one!

So I?ll do an extension in about 55 days.

Just beware and check the dates and be more persistent than I was if there is an error.

I was informed that a letter from the embassy is no longer sufficient proof. They want documents from the bank showing transfers of money into Thailand!

Ok time for a scotch and some ibuprofen!!!

Oh and they really take offense to taking photos of documents!  He shouldn?t have left the desk!!!!

A bit confusing because of incorrect use of terminology.

So..... it appears that you were on a Non OA. That means that you get a 1 year entry. You then leave on the day before or on "enter before date" and get another year. That appears to be what you did. You got the visa in May and then traveled and returned in May, obviously before the final "enter before date". At this point your OA visa is invalid and it should have been stamped "used" by the IO upon your second entry. At this point you are on a permission to stay.

You then traveled in December. You needed to get a re entry permit, not a visa, as your OA was out of date and you could not use it to enter again. This is where mistakes were made.

You entered the OA number on your arrival card. The IO saw this but did not notice that your OA had expired, had it been stamped "Used" when you entered in May? Maybe you actually entered a in May but before the OA actually did expire so it wasn't stamped. You should have used the re entry permit number.

You were then on an incorrect stamp. A trip to Buriram Immigration at that point would have been a good idea. Showing the May stamp, the expiry of the OA date and the incorrect entry stamp.

As it turns out you did get a good response from Buriram Immigration and your wife's diligence in keeping all of the documents safe should be commended. Although not sure why you would not keep them safe yourself.

We all live and learn.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 ?€“ Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 01, 2018, 06:36:49 PM
Yes Starman I agree. We really both have access to the files but she organizes them.  Kind of her contribution. I always thought there would eventually be an issue that?s why I asked immigration in March. But today they caught the mistake. I?m glad I went today instead of Monday as it would have cost me more.

Funny thing is they still didn’t stamp it as used.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: iammike on June 01, 2018, 06:42:29 PM
<snip>
I was informed that a letter from the embassy is no longer sufficient proof. They want documents from the bank showing transfers of money into Thailand!


Question please, what documents would that be ?? I guess your Bank Book would be sufficient evidence as it shows when you have an Incoming Transfer from abroad or ........ ?
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 ?€“ Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 01, 2018, 09:41:28 PM
I was told providing bank book is not sufficient.  They want a statement from the bank indicating international transfers to the account of 65,000 per month. I said I transfer once a quarter and they said that was ok. Term he used was TTI OR something like that. I am going to the branch I opened the account with and ask them for a statement of deposits.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on June 02, 2018, 02:51:49 AM
Interesting.

?Statements of deposit? are meaningless in terms of evidencing income of 65,000 Baht.

Starman could transfer to your account this month, I could transfer next month (you pay us back by cash withdrawals.....).

Income is normally verified by embassy letter - anything else (and maybe even some embassy letters) is a fudge.

A Bank book is often presented/requested as evidence of economic activity in Thailand.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 02, 2018, 06:55:44 AM
I completely understand. I?m just passing on what I was told. I suggested providing bank books and was told no. I?ll see what the bank will provide as far as proof of deposit and come with bank book as well. Don?t know what else to do.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: iammike on June 02, 2018, 08:55:55 AM
I believe they want a Foreign Exchange Transaction Form (FET) but I believe they only issue that if transferring more then 50.000 USD or equivalent.

But have to ask your Bank if they do that for smaller amount. Here the application form from Bangkok Bank (as an example)

http://www.bangkokbank.com/BangkokBankThai/Documents/Site%20Documents/GPSD/FXTransactionForm_15032011.pdf

Ps: I believe they are used normally when buying Property (Condo) in Thailand so that the Land Office can see that the money is remitted into Thailand
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Somnat on June 02, 2018, 09:07:37 AM
A very strange request from immigration DD.

A quick look at you bank passbook by them would clearly show funds from home country.

It has its own unique code - in the case of Bangkok bank it is BTN -and shows as a CREDIT.

During my last extension in February I overheard an ongoing conversation between a chap trying to do an extension and an IO.

The IO was repeatedly telling him he needed to show that 65K coming into his bank each month !!!

Like you (and me) he was transferring money only 4 times per year.

The end result for him was to pay a "service fee" to complete the extension.

Meanwhile, myself dealing with another IO, had no problems. Not a word about monthly transfers.

DD, out of curiosity, were you dealing with someone on the extreme right of the desks as you look at them?     
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 02, 2018, 10:19:44 AM
Yes the officer on right. Then he called over the officer in the middle. They called over the officer at the far left. When wife and I went back the female on far left wanted to review my passport.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Somnat on June 02, 2018, 12:28:12 PM
Sounds like you got the VIP treatment DD  ;D

Officer on the right (with glasses??) was the one I mentioned before that insisted on monthly transfers.

Also same one that charged me a 300 Baht "service fee" for not submitting a TM28 and 30. Which had already been done at the then KCI office and I had already asked at BI on 3 occasions if I need to resubmit with a negative answer each time  :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

Cant wait till next extension time  whistle
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on June 02, 2018, 06:47:09 PM
God, I'm glad I'm in the position to just leave 800,000 in a fixed deposit and avoid all this proof of income malarkey.
Hope you get it sorted OK DD?
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 02, 2018, 06:52:59 PM
Yes thanks Freddy. I decided I will do the same for next year but it is too late for this year.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on June 03, 2018, 04:53:10 AM
God, I'm glad I'm in the position to just leave 800,000 in a fixed deposit and avoid all this proof of income malarkey.
Hope you get it sorted OK DD?


Proof of income is easy.......just supply an embassy letter confirming income.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on June 03, 2018, 04:55:10 AM
Actually the reason for posting this is so others don?t make the same mistakes I did. Immigration was actually very cordial and saw I was getting frustrated and did a good job of keeping things on a calm level. I have always been treated well there.  I think they gave me a little leeway this time. Thank goodness for my wife and her meticulous record keeping. She just grabbed the correct folder and off we went back to immigration.

This post:
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,9189.msg63316.html#msg63316 (http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,9189.msg63316.html#msg63316)

Has a pic showing the number. 
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Smithy on June 03, 2018, 04:03:57 PM
God, I'm glad I'm in the position to just leave 800,000 in a fixed deposit and avoid all this proof of income malarkey.
Hope you get it sorted OK DD?


Proof of income is easy.......just supply an embassy letter confirming income.

Why some people would want to put 800k in the bank and just leave it there ( unless you have so much money it doesn't matter ) when there's so many other ways to meet the requirements and better ways to make money on a 800k lump sum than to have it sitting in a Thai fixed deposit account  .As Coco has said " Proof of income is easy.......just supply an embassy letter confirming income" and even if your income/pension doesn't meet the 800k requirement you can use the 'combination of income and bank balance method' so that you can keep the minimum  deposited here in Thailand .
The other thing you can do ( as I did on my Marriage extension for many years ) is to make sure you have the required funds in your bank when applying for you extension and then living off that money and then just topping it up once a year to meet the requirements of your next extension.
Like some have found out, I like to keep away from the local Immigration Offices as much as possible as they like/want to ask questions and see proof of things that by requirement's are not needed so they can make up a 'special service fee' to suit their agenda. Like asking for 1K to transfer a stamp to a new passport ( which is in fact a free service ) or like Somnat's report where IO's make things up for the gullible first-timer so they can obtain a bit of Tea money !!
Now because of some of the things above and the exchange rate I now obtain my Multi 'O' from Savannakhet ( no proof of funds needed ) and just do border runs every 90 days. At least you know the Cambodian IO's are going to rip you off on border runs, so you can take that into account before deciding which Visa route you are going to take   :biggrin:
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 03, 2018, 04:53:33 PM
Can you get Non-o based on retirement there and do 90 day reports at BI?  That sounds like a good option. The money spent to cross border would be recouped with buying a couple bottles of good single malt scotch!
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: iammike on June 03, 2018, 05:03:12 PM
Can you get Non-o based on retirement there and do 90 day reports at BI?  That sounds like a good option. The money spent to cross border would be recouped with buying a couple bottles of good single malt scotch!

You could maybe get a Single Entry Non-O based on Retirement there (Savannahket) what Smithy has is AFAIK a Multiple Entry Non-O based on Marriage to a Thai, and that one you can get in Savannakhet. (I have had a few of those, before going the extension of stay route this year.)

And with a NON-O Multiple Entry, you can't do 90 day reports you have to leave the Country every 90 days and then when entering LOS you will get 90 Days again. If you are married you could get a 60 day extension at immigration so you could (if you have the Non-O multiple Entry) in theory stay 150 days in Thailand.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 03, 2018, 05:26:56 PM
With that said, I figure non-o a retirement extension get 800,000 in the bank use it and top off at least 90 days before next extension time, do 90 day reports here. Seems like best way for me.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Starman on June 03, 2018, 05:28:22 PM
It has been known for Savannakhet to issue a multi entry O based on being over 50 if you have previously received one from your home country.

However, unlike the Multi Non O based on marriage, for being over 50 you will need documentation to show an income of 65k per month or a bank balance of 800k.

As previously stated, you will need to leave Thailand every 90 days to get a new 90 permission to stay stamp.

If you do have a multi O based on marriage, there is not much advantage of going to Immigration for a 60 days extension on every entry. The visa has an "enter before date" of 1 year and extending in country does not change this. The only true advantage of the 60 day extension is after the visa has expired and your final permission to stay is up. This then means that you can get a total of 17 months from one visa.

Then back to Savannakhet for another one and start the cycle again.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on June 03, 2018, 10:18:18 PM

Why some people would want to put 800k in the bank and just leave it there ( unless you have so much money it doesn't matter ) when there's so many other ways to meet the requirements and better ways to make money on a 800k lump sum than to have it sitting in a Thai fixed deposit account.

For me it's just the easiest option and serves 2 purposes. Firstly I know the required finds for my extension renewal are there and don't have to remember to top up 90 days prior or have to go to Bangkok to get letters. Secondly, it's a separate chunk of money that I can access quickly if needed and couldn't wait for transfer from UK. Should such an emergency occur in the 90 days leading up to extension then I'd do the proof of income or one of the many other ways that are available.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 04, 2018, 03:07:10 AM
I agree. It may not be earning much interest but the savings by not having to go to the embassy or pay a service fee for not being able to meet unrealistic and unattainable demands from the IO may offset any other possible gains not realized.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Starman on June 04, 2018, 05:02:37 AM
It is my understanding that income varification letters from UK embassy can now be done via email or post. No need to go to Bangkok.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 04, 2018, 06:39:25 AM
I wish my embassy would be so helpful!
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Smithy on June 04, 2018, 11:42:53 AM
It is my understanding that income varification letters from UK embassy can now be done via email or post. No need to go to Bangkok.

Yes , I just recently helped a local visually impaired Ex-pat with obtaining an income verification letter from the UK embassy. A very easy simple thing to do , just download the forms , fill them in and send them off .

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/how-to-obtain-a-pensionincome-letter-for-thai-immigration
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: nookiebear on June 04, 2018, 01:34:12 PM

Why some people would want to put 800k in the bank and just leave it there ( unless you have so much money it doesn't matter ) when there's so many other ways to meet the requirements and better ways to make money on a 800k lump sum than to have it sitting in a Thai fixed deposit account.

For me it's just the easiest option and serves 2 purposes. Firstly I know the required finds for my extension renewal are there and don't have to remember to top up 90 days prior or have to go to Bangkok to get letters. Secondly, it's a separate chunk of money that I can access quickly if needed and couldn't wait for transfer from UK. Should such an emergency occur in the 90 days leading up to extension then I'd do the proof of income or one of the many other ways that are available.
The 800k was a very good earner 20 years ago when the interest rate stood at 15%
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: olavhome on June 04, 2018, 01:54:31 PM
Does the deposit have to be on regular bank account or can thai Stock funds do?
Give a lot higher profit then regular saving account even if, at times can be turbulent :-)
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on June 04, 2018, 04:12:56 PM

Why some people would want to put 800k in the bank and just leave it there ( unless you have so much money it doesn't matter ) when there's so many other ways to meet the requirements and better ways to make money on a 800k lump sum than to have it sitting in a Thai fixed deposit account.

For me it's just the easiest option and serves 2 purposes. Firstly I know the required finds for my extension renewal are there and don't have to remember to top up 90 days prior or have to go to Bangkok to get letters. Secondly, it's a separate chunk of money that I can access quickly if needed and couldn't wait for transfer from UK. Should such an emergency occur in the 90 days leading up to extension then I'd do the proof of income or one of the many other ways that are available.




Transferwise can have your money here in 24 hours.

You would have to be a VERY unlucky person to have an emergency (requiring immediate payment) on the 90th day before your renewal date.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Freddy on June 04, 2018, 06:03:24 PM
Bloody Hell. If that were still the case I'd have a lot more than 800,000 deposited. Currently my Mbest,nets are getting between 10-12% but not without risk.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on June 04, 2018, 06:26:00 PM

Transferwise can have your money here in 24 hours.

You would have to be a VERY unlucky person to have an emergency (requiring immediate payment) on the 90th day before your renewal date.

Yes be careful to ensure that money is seasoned for at least 90 days (not 3 months).  I once tried the 800K baht method where the money was in an account over a 4 month period, but only 85 days, they denied me the extension.  It did not matter that I could show the money was in another Thai Bank account for 3 months prior to that.  Of course that was at KCI, not BI, but I would not test it.

Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on June 04, 2018, 06:35:46 PM
BTW, Nok Air is having a promotion 4-7 June with travel to be completed thru March 2019.  You may be able to book a round trip for about 1000 baht.  Go to Bangkok in the morning get your Embassy Income statement and return that same day. (I have done that several times). 


Promotional price start from 490 THB.- net / one way / person for Chiang Rai, Chiang Mai, Nan, Roi Et, Loei, Khon Kaen, Nakhon Phanom, Sakon Nakhon, Buri Ram, Ranong, Chumphon, Trang, Nakhon Si Thammarat, Hat Yai, Surat Thani, Phuket, and Chiang Mai-Udon Thani Routes. (This promotion ticket can be used for traveling on June to September 2018.)


https://content.nokair.com/en/Booking/Promotion/ThunderBirdJun.aspx?utm_source=taximail&utm_source=Taximail&utm_medium=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-TC-ThunderBirdSaleJUN0407&utm_campaign=2018TCThunderBirdSaleJUN0407&aliaspath=%2fBooking%2fPromotion%2fThunderBirdJun (https://content.nokair.com/en/Booking/Promotion/ThunderBirdJun.aspx?utm_source=taximail&utm_source=Taximail&utm_medium=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-TC-ThunderBirdSaleJUN0407&utm_campaign=2018TCThunderBirdSaleJUN0407&aliaspath=%2fBooking%2fPromotion%2fThunderBirdJun)
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 04, 2018, 07:31:38 PM
Yes Urleft I saw that. Round trip with a couple days stay flight is 1100 baht. Booked!
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 05, 2018, 08:39:33 AM
Urleft I want to confirm that payment for the notary service at the embassy can be made by credit card. I checked the website which indicates yes it can but outreaches have to be paid in advance through bank draft. You know how up to date websites can be.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on June 05, 2018, 09:36:06 AM
Urleft I want to confirm that payment for the notary service at the embassy can be made by credit card. I checked the website which indicates yes it can but outreaches have to be paid in advance through bank draft. You know how up to date websites can be.

Yes, I have used my Credit Card at the embassy many times.  And it is done in USD, so use a US CC. 
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 05, 2018, 10:07:35 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on June 05, 2018, 11:05:31 AM
On the income issue, only once did I experience an issue with an embassy income statement, and I believe the problem was a new girl at KCI.  Overall I have experienced that Thailand Immigration offices accept the Embassy Income Statement without issue (US Embassy). 

But the 3 times I tried an 800K Baht bank statement I experienced issues at immigration.  So I do not bother to try the 800K Bank route anymore as the minimal travel cost to the embassy overcomes any immigration hassle with a bank statement. 

But that is just my view. 
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 05, 2018, 11:55:27 AM
And if you want to just get away or do some shopping it?s a great excuse!
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: CO-CO on June 19, 2018, 07:35:17 PM
Annual extension based on retirement on Monday.

Arrived 08:20, waved in by khun Arcade at 08:25.


Processed the extension paperwork (embassy letter) and re-entry permit, out before 08:50.


Very efficient and pleasant.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: urleft on June 19, 2018, 07:55:47 PM
And for a Monday, amazing.  GL once told me the KCI agents didn't sober up until about 10am. 
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Smithy on June 19, 2018, 08:14:26 PM
Annual extension based on retirement on Monday.

Arrived 08:20, waved in by khun Arcade at 08:25.


Processed the extension paperwork (embassy letter) and re-entry permit, out before 08:50.


Very efficient and pleasant.

Don't be so modest Coco, I'm sure your paperwork being 100% in order helped  ;)
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 19, 2018, 08:51:22 PM
Don?t be fooled by the name tag on the desk... or in front of it.  They sit at different desk than the name tag for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Retirement Extension for Dummies 2017 – Buriram Immigration
Post by: Starman on June 19, 2018, 08:54:59 PM
Don?t be fooled by the name tag on the desk... or in front of it.  They sit at different desk than the name tag for obvious reasons.

What obvious reasons?