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Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: Thai Bart on April 29, 2020, 03:14:09 PM

Title: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: Thai Bart on April 29, 2020, 03:14:09 PM
Hello wise sages. I have recently done my retirement visa and wanted to know if on the follow up 90 days, are they insisting on another letter from the bank and your bank book to prove you have had the 800K for an additional 3 months or not? I forgot to ask when I was there. Dumb of me I know.
Regards
Bart
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: CO-CO on April 29, 2020, 05:41:25 PM
Hello wise sages. I have recently done my retirement visa and wanted to know if on the follow up 90 days, are they insisting on another letter from the bank and your bank book to prove you have had the 800K for an additional 3 months or not? I forgot to ask when I was there. Dumb of me I know.
Regards
Bart


Let's be clear..... you haven't done your retirement visa; you have extended your permission to stay based on retirement. That original permission granted on your now "used" visa.


Sounds pedantic but if we don't get the terminology right then we are talking about two very different things.


Personally, I don't know if Buriram Immigration enforce that requirement - I doubt it but others will have first hand knowledge. Do your 90 day report online and the question becomes academic.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: Thai Bart on April 29, 2020, 06:17:36 PM
 Hi CO-CO, I have a new retirement visa, Feb 2020 but I read somewhere that you now need 800K for 6 months and hence assumed that   they may or may not ask to see this again, I was hoping that someone may have recently been to Buriram IO and had the answer. Yes an online would negate this if it was to get processed but again I have seen it reported that the online is very hit and miss. There is also some conflicting statements on here as to the covid-19 " amnesty " grace period extending to July 30th, in that people don't need to go to Immigration as it will be done automatically, whilst someone has suggested to go as it will be quiet, don't risk it, you could get into serious trouble. I am in a quandary as to what to believe and do. Going to get the bank letter etc is just another inconvenience if you don't need it, as last time it took over an hour just in the bank, without my travelling time there and back.
Regards
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: paiboon on April 30, 2020, 07:44:17 AM
You don't need a letter from the bank, update your bank book and they'll take a copy of it.
If you want to do it online, you can make a scan and add it as a document.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: DeputyDavid on April 30, 2020, 07:44:49 AM
I would say call and ask. In my situation they only wanted updated bank book when I went for final stamp for my extension based on Thai wife.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: iammike on April 30, 2020, 08:01:28 AM
I would say call and ask. In my situation they only wanted updated bank book when I went for final stamp for my extension based on Thai wife.

May I ask when you did yours? When I did mine in January, I needed to come back in February (2 weeks before the Final Stamp) to give them a "Statement from the Bank" that the money was still in my Fixed Deposit Account..

This statement showed all the Deposits / Withdrawals done in the last 6 months.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: Thai Bart on April 30, 2020, 08:03:56 AM
Thank you for your replies. I think its sorted now.
Kind regards
Bart
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: paiboon on April 30, 2020, 08:11:01 AM
iammike,

it's about the first 90 days report after a new extension.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: Thai Bart on April 30, 2020, 10:08:59 AM
Hi iammike, you are correct and so is paiboon. I manage to work myself up so much over these things as I am basically the only farang I know here and so have no one to bounce things off and the TW is as useful as a chocolate teapot. I wasn't going to go to the IO as the Royal Thai police and obviously the Gov't had said they were going to update automatically because of covid-19 and then extended to July 31 but in the "don't panic" topic I think some guy said go cos it could be big trouble if you don't and this started me off. I think at the moment I will go next week just to be on the safe side. I can update the passbook on the way to Buriram just incase.
Thanks again for posting a reply.
Bart
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: CO-CO on April 30, 2020, 10:20:24 AM
Hi iammike, you are correct and so is paiboon. I manage to work myself up so much over these things as I am basically the only farang I know here and so have no one to bounce things off and the TW is as useful as a chocolate teapot. I wasn't going to go to the IO as the Royal Thai police and obviously the Gov't had said they were going to update automatically because of covid-19 and then extended to July 31 but in the "don't panic" topic I think some guy said go cos it could be big trouble if you don't and this started me off. I think at the moment I will go next week just to be on the safe side. I can update the passbook on the way to Buriram just incase.
Thanks again for posting a reply.
Bart


Thai Bart.... from what you say it appears that you DON'T have a visa......... you have an extension of stay. Please understand the difference..... a visa is usually obtained outside of Thailand - an extension of stay is then what you apply for each year. 90 day reporting applies to extensions, not to visas - where you normally have to leave the country every 90 days.

I recommend that you DON'T go next week; the whole point having the amnesty to 31st July is to prevent people traveling to immigration offices.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: DeputyDavid on April 30, 2020, 10:57:04 AM
There are some that say the amnesty does not apply to long term extensions. Another forum suggests doing the 90 day and obtaining extensions when due.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: Smithy on April 30, 2020, 11:26:02 AM
There are some that say the amnesty does not apply to long term extensions. Another forum suggests doing the 90 day and obtaining extensions when due.

Yes I have read that .....  ( Tod Daniels on Thai visa advice )
" Long term extensions are not covered on the amnesty plan, just go like you do every year get your extension " ...also " we are advising people on long term extensions to go do their 90 day report like normal
There is no down side to doing it, and there's no one at the immigration offices really, you'll be in and out in minutes, although technically there is a "no 90 day reporting amnesty" until the 31st of July if for some reason you just don't want to do a 90 day report"
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: DeputyDavid on April 30, 2020, 12:19:25 PM
I guess I?m just a bit overly cautious when it comes to immigration. I would rather be early or on time rather than have the ?amnesty rules? changed, twisted, misinterpreted and then have big problems.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: iammike on April 30, 2020, 03:17:37 PM
iammike,

it's about the first 90 days report after a new extension.

I was responding to Deputy David post about the extension based on Marriage and approval stamp (as I have the same), I had to show a statement before the approval stamp and apparently DD didn't, so I was wondering when he did his extension based on Marriage.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: iammike on April 30, 2020, 03:18:32 PM
I guess I?m just a bit overly cautious when it comes to immigration. I would rather be early or on time rather than have the ?amnesty rules? changed, twisted, misinterpreted and then have big problems.

+1
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: DeputyDavid on April 30, 2020, 04:05:50 PM
Nearly a year ago I did my extension so Mike your info is probably more current and accurate.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: iammike on April 30, 2020, 04:16:37 PM
Nearly a year ago I did my extension so Mike your info is probably more current and accurate.

Thx. It has been almost 3 months so maybe my info is already outdated (5555555555)

Please guys note this is about Extension based on Marriage (not Retirement)

Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: dundeemk6 on April 30, 2020, 05:15:29 PM
CO-CO : just stop dispensing free good advice, it is like pearls for the swines. As long as you do it for free to help out others they will mock you, have a beer and just help yourself !!! I am speaking out of experience when I came to live in Lahansai in 2002. I'll be there as soon as possible to help you with the beers !!! Don't forget our planned trip to Pub Street !!! Take care of yourself and your missus !!!
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: DeputyDavid on April 30, 2020, 06:41:16 PM
Dundee not sure if the advice is accurate that?s why I posted my experience. Obviously I?m not the expert but the best advice given is check with your IO just to be sure. Best wishes!
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: DeputyDavid on April 30, 2020, 07:10:37 PM
After thinking about this I must say:  I wouldn?t go to a mechanic for prostate advice, nor would I go to an English language teacher for building advice. However, I would certainly listen to their first hand experience and have that knowledge when addressing IO about immigration issues. So I say this because this is what I think MAY happen come July 31. Just a guess on my part but reason why I post this. August 1 people go to immigration to get a stamp of some sort to stay longer. Immigration says no, you had 3 months to figure out how to get the proper extension or visa. So now you have a 7 day get the hell out of Thailand stamp. So, I read with interest other people?s posts, but for me I go to immigration as required and their direction is what I follow. I hope that what I think will happen is far from correct, but that?s what I think. Save yourself, GO to immigration as directed, but keep in mind the advice given online. Many people have different experiences. But immigration cares not what someone online told you. Oink oink MF!
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: Starman on April 30, 2020, 08:08:47 PM
After thinking about this I must say:  I wouldn?t go to a mechanic for prostate advice, nor would I go to an English language teacher for building advice. However, I would certainly listen to their first hand experience and have that knowledge when addressing IO about immigration issues. So I say this because this is what I think MAY happen come July 31. Just a guess on my part but reason why I post this. August 1 people go to immigration to get a stamp of some sort to stay longer. Immigration says no, you had 3 months to figure out how to get the proper extension or visa. So now you have a 7 day get the hell out of Thailand stamp. So, I read with interest other people?s posts, but for me I go to immigration as required and their direction is what I follow. I hope that what I think will happen is far from correct, but that?s what I think. Save yourself, GO to immigration as directed, but keep in mind the advice given online. Many people have different experiences. But immigration cares not what someone online told you. Oink oink MF!

Issued by immigration. Notice the phrase "temporarily stay". That is anyone who is here on an entry stamp or a stamp received from immigration. Notice the phrase "all types of visa". That covers everyone too. Simple and from where most people online are getting the info that they share. The whole point of these announcements is so that, in a turn pf phrase "immigration comes to you so you do not have to go to them".
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: CO-CO on April 30, 2020, 09:11:03 PM
After thinking about this I must say:  I wouldn?t go to a mechanic for prostate advice, nor would I go to an English language teacher for building advice. However, I would certainly listen to their first hand experience and have that knowledge when addressing IO about immigration issues. So I say this because this is what I think MAY happen come July 31. Just a guess on my part but reason why I post this. August 1 people go to immigration to get a stamp of some sort to stay longer. Immigration says no, you had 3 months to figure out how to get the proper extension or visa. So now you have a 7 day get the hell out of Thailand stamp. So, I read with interest other people?s posts, but for me I go to immigration as required and their direction is what I follow. I hope that what I think will happen is far from correct, but that?s what I think. Save yourself, GO to immigration as directed, but keep in mind the advice given online. Many people have different experiences. But immigration cares not what someone online told you. Oink oink MF!

Sorry DD but that is nonsense.

You are recommending that people do exactly what immigration are telling you not to do.


Your 7 day comment is pure fantasy and shows a lack of understanding of the immigration notices.

Don't give Immigration the ammunition to support the argument that Farangs are stupid.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 01, 2020, 10:15:30 AM
I understand what you are saying and I interpreted the notice the same way at first. Someone posted a response from Tod Daniels cautioning those on long stay visas and extensions not to rely on the amnesty, and I have been following the many posts on his page answering this question the same way. So I choose to take the more cautious route.

As far as calling me stupid, I?ll not have a battle of wits with an unarmed assailant.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 01, 2020, 10:46:53 AM
I am not going to beat a dead horse here. I called immigration in Bangkok. In my situation, extension of stay based on Thai wife, with expiration of extension mid June their response to me was ? in your situation you need to apply for your extension in May because you will not have an extension on July31. If you want to stay past that date, amnesty doesn?t apply to you.?

Don?t kill the messenger. This is my experience 5 minutes ago. You can call 1178 and they will be happy to give you an answer based on your circumstances.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: CO-CO on May 01, 2020, 10:51:56 AM
I am not going to beat a dead horse here. I called immigration in Bangkok. In my situation, extension of stay based on Thai wife, with expiration of extension mid June their response to me was ? in your situation you need to apply for your extension in May because you will not have an extension on July31. If you want to stay past that date, amnesty doesn?t apply to you.?

Don?t kill the messenger. This is my experience 5 minutes ago. You can call 1178 and they will be happy to give you an answer based on your circumstances.


Of course that is correct. If you had the 'wit' to understand what is presented to you would know that extensions are not part of the amnesty. They MUST be done as normal.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 01, 2020, 03:57:45 PM
Last word..........
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: Starman on May 01, 2020, 05:43:23 PM
I am not going to beat a dead horse here. I called immigration in Bangkok. In my situation, extension of stay based on Thai wife, with expiration of extension mid June their response to me was ? in your situation you need to apply for your extension in May because you will not have an extension on July31. If you want to stay past that date, amnesty doesn?t apply to you.?

Don?t kill the messenger. This is my experience 5 minutes ago. You can call 1178 and they will be happy to give you an answer based on your circumstances.

A perfect example of needing to know the correct terminology and to use it. You refer to the advice by Tod Daniels. If you would like to read that yourself you will see what I mean.
Title: Re: Retirement Visa info please
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on May 02, 2020, 06:21:17 AM

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Of course that is correct. If you had the 'wit' to understand what is presented to you would know that extensions are not part of the amnesty. They MUST be done as normal.

And if your passport has expired because HMPO are not processing new passports at the moment and VFS are not open for either collection of new passports or to submit applications for renewals, what can you do?  You are in Thailand illegally! A hefty fine? Deportation?  Nobody knows and seemingly HMPO and the British Embassy don't care, or if they do are not giving out advice.