Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: Freddy on June 28, 2018, 06:20:35 AM
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Went into Buriram immigration Office yesterday to get a certificate of residence knowing it would be 500 baht. Stupidly I forgot to take the photo but was informed an official photo cold be done there for 200 baht. The girl takes quick snap on her mobile, uploads it and job done. So now I'm at 700 baht but couldn't be bothered to go find a photo shop.
However, then anothe officer sitting at end desk on right plonks a TM 30 form in front of me and tells me I have to register as not on system, 300 baht to register. Been here 4 years on retirement extension, had a house visit, done 13-15 90 day reports and I'm sure I must have filled out a TM30 previously. So that visit cost me 1,000 baht and all because Honda Big Wing won't accept my yellow Housebook to register bike in my name although Ford and Vespa do and did.
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The cynical side of me thinks you were indeed in the system but in order to extract a service fee they told you otherwise. I could be wrong. Did they offer a receipt?
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So that visit cost me 1,000 baht and all because Honda Big Wing won't accept my yellow Housebook to register bike in my name although Ford and Vespa do and did.
You certainly had a bad day Freddy.
It's DLT's decision whether to accept the Yellow Tabien Baan. The dealer doesn't get to make that decision.
At least that's the way I understand the system.
Anyway, I'm guessing you probably tried to explain that to Honda already. Wonder why Honda persist with this ? A simple phone call from them to DLT would clarify this.
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I've lived in Thailand for over 15 years and have never filled in a TM30 , The wife may have when I was on an extension based on marriage . I now stay in Thailand on a Multi 'O' and just fill in a TH 6. We have regular Police Visit's ,they say they like to keep track of local Ex-pats in my locale . They have never asked me to show them my Passport, visa or any other paperwork . They are always jovial and just keep as book with reports on all the local foreigners .
TM30 Explained! You Must Register Any Non Thai National Living In Your Property! ... https://perfecthomes.co.th/tm030-registration-thailand/
BTW.. I get my LoR from my local Amphur office when I need one for free.
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TH 6.
Typo....... it's a TM6 before anyone make's a comment :)
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So that visit cost me 1,000 baht and all because Honda Big Wing won't accept my yellow Housebook to register bike in my name although Ford and Vespa do and did.
You certainly had a bad day Freddy.
It's DLT's decision whether to accept the Yellow Tabien Baan. The dealer doesn't get to make that decision.
At least that's the way I understand the system.
Anyway, I'm guessing you probably tried to explain that to Honda already. Wonder why Honda persist with this ? A simple phone call from them to DLT would clarify this.
I bought a Yamaha in Pattaya (from a combined Yamaha/Honda dealer). Told them I wasn't going back to Buriram to get a LoR.
They are commercially minded and just took a copy of my condo agreement
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So that visit cost me 1,000 baht and all because Honda Big Wing won't accept my yellow Housebook to register bike in my name although Ford and Vespa do and did.
You certainly had a bad day Freddy.
It's DLT's decision whether to accept the Yellow Tabien Baan. The dealer doesn't get to make that decision.
At least that's the way I understand the system.
Anyway, I'm guessing you probably tried to explain that to Honda already. Wonder why Honda persist with this ? A simple phone call from them to DLT would clarify this.
I bought a Yamaha in Pattaya (from a combined Yamaha/Honda dealer). Told them I wasn't going back to Buriram to get a LoR.
They are commercially minded and just took a copy of my condo agreement
Put it the Wife's/ GF/Partners name is even easier , or does she stay in the Village when you're down in the bright lights of Pattaya ;)
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If you are in the system, you have a small paper copy in your pasport. If it is not there you are not registered.
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If you are in the system, you have a small paper copy in your pasport. If it is not there you are not registered.
You are in the system, and subsequently registered, as soon as you enter Thailand. Those who have done an extension of stay are registered and do 90 day reports. They are most definitely in the system. The TM30 is an additional requirement that seems to be required "sometimes". I have never completed one and have never been asked to. That is in over 20 years.
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However, then another officer sitting at end desk on right plonks a TM 30 form in front of me and tells me I have to register as not on system, 300 baht to register. Been here 4 years on retirement extension, had a house visit, done 13-15 90 day reports and I'm sure I must have filled out a TM30 previously.
One of the reason I try and stay clear of Immigration Office's ,they are always on the look out the collect some Tea money to add to the pot .
If they were to advertise this on Thai TV and Social media there would be such a rush to the Immigration Offices by worried Thai Wives, GF's and Partners it would cause the IO's to do loads of additional work.. They seen to pick and chose when and where they want to implement the rule's ::)
https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/967547-immigration-charging-for-tm30/
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I was asked for a TM 30 form when I extended my retirement visa in early June and luckily had the wife with me to sign it (house in her name) - they were happy to prepare it for her and there was no charge. Wasn't asked last year and nothing has changed for three years so it must be a sudden desire to check. Every time I go in there is some subtle change - guess it keeps us on our toes?!
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First the Honda aspect.
I argued and argued that neither a certificate of residence was required or a copy of my wife's ID and Blue Housebook because I have a yellow Housebook. Suggested they call the DLT but to much effort. Gave them the number of AB Yamaha who have the Vespa Franchise and told them they could explain it to them, to much effort.
Annoying thing was that they accepted my yellow book, passport, money ( full payment) started prepping the bike etc.... Only just before I'm about to ride off did they say we will call your wife next week because she needs to give copy of her book and ID. That's when the argument started. I gave up in the end just so the paperwork gets processed and I get a number. They've confirmed it will be in my name but the wife's documents are for guarantee. Guarantee for what I asked, you've been paid. They can't answer that.
My wife has also had several conversations with them and told them point blank they don't need the requested documents because I have the yellow book.mthey wouldn't budge.
Immigration. The wife wasn't with me so I filled out both sections of the form and I signed it. No receipt for anything. TBH! I should have asked but I just wanted to get the docs over to Honda and have done with it.
On the up side. Call from Honda today, I've got a free Go Pro as a gift. Should they send it or will I pick it up. think ill ride ober to get it and then test it out when I ask them again why they needed a COR, and wife's documents.
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I had problems with Honda Pattaya some 20 years ago when wanting to buy a new car. They would not budge on what they wanted, so I told them what to do with their car................Bought a Toyota instead..........Couldnt have been easier with very nice people
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I think the best thing you could have done Feddy is just do as they ask,we both know you don't need a LoR to buy a Bike if you have a Yellow house book.No point in getting into a big argument , especially as you had gone to the trouble of getting a LoR anyway ,plus they only wanted your Wifes House book and ID Card details.
When I renewed my Driving Licence the first at my local Center they wanted my Wife's House-book and ID card even through I had my own Yellow House-book .When I politely told them "When I lived in Koh Samui I only needed my own paper work and what if I wasn't married and lived here alone ?? " The top guy came over and said if I didn't want to do it THEIR way I could go elsewhere to renew my licence.I just smiles and handed over the photo copies of what they asked for. :)
The next time I went to renew my 1 year old Car DL I was told farangs couldn't have a 5 year Licence only a one year. Again I politely told the young lady "Then why did you give me a 5 year Bike DL last year?? " ...She run off and someone returned to sort out the DL renewal. So its always best to stay calm no matter how frustrating it can be. smilenod
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Take your point Smithy but just frustrates the hell out of me that I jumped through the hoops to get the yellow book to avoid this sort of nensense. 500 baht for a COR is no big deal but in principal, I shouldn't be expected to spend unnecessarily because a company can't be arsed to get themselves up to date. Not fussed about the copies of the wife's Housebook and ID as long as the bike is registered in my name.
Sure it's easier to get everything in her name but none of us know what's round that corner. For me though amd the main reason, I just like to feel that I at least own the vehicles and that they officially belong to me.
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@ Freddy
Just out of curiosity, which Honda Big wing did you have the drama with, Korat or Buriram?
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TM30 is suppose to be used every time you stay away from your registered house! i.e. you stay somewhere else, even for 1 day and come back. the house/hotel you stay at is, by law, required to register you as staying there! It is so they can keep track of Alien movements in Thailand.
Everytime I have a holiday somewhere else in Thailand, I visit the immigration office within 24 hours with a completed TM30 form to register as being back home. we can now do this online, although, not been away since being able to do so. :biggrin:
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Everytime I have a holiday somewhere else in Thailand, I visit the immigration office within 24 hours with a completed TM30 form to register as being back home. we can now do this online, although, not been away since being able to do so. :biggrin:
I'm fairly sure if everybody did as was stated by the rules they would soon get #issed off with the extra workload ...................so lets do it thumbup
http://immigrationbangkok.com/thailand-immigration-forms/
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TM30 is suppose to be used every time you stay away from your registered house! i.e. you stay somewhere else, even for 1 day and come back. the house/hotel you stay at is, by law, required to register you as staying there! It is so they can keep track of Alien movements in Thailand.
Everytime I have a holiday somewhere else in Thailand, I visit the immigration office within 24 hours with a completed TM30 form to register as being back home. we can now do this online, although, not been away since being able to do so. :biggrin:
It has been reported a couple of times that Buriram Immigration are not interested in reporting after a trip within Thailand.
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@ Freddy
Just out of curiosity, which Honda Big wing did you have the drama with, Korat or Buriram?
Buriram. Apart from that the service was great.
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TM30 is suppose to be used every time you stay away from your registered house! i.e. you stay somewhere else, even for 1 day and come back. the house/hotel you stay at is, by law, required to register you as staying there! It is so they can keep track of Alien movements in Thailand.
Everytime I have a holiday somewhere else in Thailand, I visit the immigration office within 24 hours with a completed TM30 form to register as being back home. we can now do this online, although, not been away since being able to do so. :biggrin:
It has been reported a couple of times that Buriram Immigration are not interested in reporting after a trip within Thailand.
Not what khun Arcade told us at my recent extension renewal - exactly the opposite. He said "not required" after returning from an overseas trip.
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TM30 is suppose to be used every time you stay away from your registered house! i.e. you stay somewhere else, even for 1 day and come back. the house/hotel you stay at is, by law, required to register you as staying there! It is so they can keep track of Alien movements in Thailand.
Everytime I have a holiday somewhere else in Thailand, I visit the immigration office within 24 hours with a completed TM30 form to register as being back home. we can now do this online, although, not been away since being able to do so. :biggrin:
It has been reported a couple of times that Buriram Immigration are not interested in reporting after a trip within Thailand.
Not what khun Arcade told us at my recent extension renewal - exactly the opposite. He said "not required" after returning from an overseas trip.
:-\ lol I was told to do it on line!! If I can remember how to do it :(
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@Coco
Maybe both then. The reports I know Immigration were only asked about trips within Thailand. I have heard of other immigration offices saying that only a permanent change of address would mean a new TM30 was required.
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TBH this whole TM30 thing is a bit of a joke , although the rules are set out quite clearly it is always down to the discretion of the IO you sit in-front of on whether he wants to try and make a few baht out of you or not .
The rules state " It?s the owner that will be fined, so the overall responsibility is with the owner of the house you are staying in."......so if you are asked to pay a fine I would say " Go and see the owner as it his/her responsibility not mine "
Even though you can register on the owners behalf will also need a signed proxy from the owner stating that he/she gives you permission to act on their behalf. !!!
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TBH this whole TM30 thing is a bit of a joke , although the rules are set out quite clearly it is always down to the discretion of the IO you sit in-front of on whether he wants to try and make a few baht out of you or not .
The rules state " It?s the owner that will be fined, so the overall responsibility is with the owner of the house you are staying in."......so if you are asked to pay a fine I would say " Go and see the owner as it his/her responsibility not mine "
Even though you can register on the owners behalf will also need a signed proxy from the owner stating that he/she gives you permission to act on their behalf. !!!
chairhit
The owner of the property is the wife, which means I would pay in the end lol
brick1
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TBH this whole TM30 thing is a bit of a joke , although the rules are set out quite clearly it is always down to the discretion of the IO you sit in-front of on whether he wants to try and make a few baht out of you or not .
The rules state " It?s the owner that will be fined, so the overall responsibility is with the owner of the house you are staying in."......so if you are asked to pay a fine I would say " Go and see the owner as it his/her responsibility not mine "
Even though you can register on the owners behalf will also need a signed proxy from the owner stating that he/she gives you permission to act on their behalf. !!!
chairhit
The owner of the property is the wife, which means I would pay in the end lol
brick1
Yes I understand that . :biggrin:
But as Freddy has said
However, then another officer sitting at end desk on right plonks a TM 30 form in front of me and tells me I have to register as not on system, 300 baht to register. Been here 4 years on retirement extension, had a house visit, done 13-15 90 day reports and I'm sure I must have filled out a TM30 previously.
Unless he has worded his post wrong ( and his wife was with him ) it's not down to him to register and NO money should have been asked of him !!, plus did he have signed proxy from his wife giving him permission to do so ?? ;)
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@ Freddy
Just out of curiosity, which Honda Big wing did you have the drama with, Korat or Buriram?
Buriram. Apart from that the service was great.
Thanks Freddy.
I had similar problems with Big wing Korat a couple of years ago. I did not have a Yellow Book, which wouldn't have made any difference. as they would only accept an Embassy COR !!!!!! I asked about an Immigration or Police COR, No go. They were quite happy to put the bike in my wife's name, which we did.
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My wife wasn't with me at the immigration office and I filled in and signed all sections of the TM30.
i was in Big Wing yesterday and my wife was with me. They have all the paperwork they asked for now but my wife once again asked why they had needed it. Apparently the bike is going to be in my name and her I'd, Housebook and the COR was needed as some sort of guarantee.
I'm not convinced. Will see when I go to get the plate a green book in a couple of weeks.
Gotta say they seem to be very disorganised at Big Wing. After purchasing I ordered and fitted rear LED indicator and tail lights to tidy up the back end a bit. What I didn't know is that because of the low power draw from LEDs the relay thinks the bulb has failed or blown so you get hyper flash on the indicators. Having done some research it just means changing the relay that is under the tank. So last week I went to Big Wing, had them fit a couple of other bits and discussed the relay. I also have some bar end mirrors to fit. No problem they said, will order the relay and bring back next week.
Asked yesterday, has the relay arrived. What relay, the relay for the indicators I reply.
Boss spoke to mechanic who had done last weeks work. No relay ordered. Will order now, will be here Saturday. Great thanks, call me when it arrives and I'll bring the bike in next week. What day shall I come I ask. Come Saturday they say. I can't come Saturday I reply, I can come Monday or Tuesday. OK they say , up to you.
Just pulling away on the truck and the Manager runs out. Need you to pay for the relay now. OK, no problem how much. 530 baht. I hand over the money and wait. Blank looks from the staff. I ask for a receipt, no receipt they say, relay not from us we get from another company. Doesn't matter where you get it from I say, I've given you money and I want a receipt. Can't do they say, we have to go buy and you get receipt from company we buy from.
Maybe not here but Honda do a big range of LED replacement lights in other countries so shouldn't be a big thing. When I got Home I called the company I bought the LEDs from. They are a big custom place in Bangkok with several branches in Thailand.
Ask about the relay and they say we don't sell because fast indicators no problem here and people like because makes bike more noticeable. Not sure I agree but that was the answer.
Appreciate now well of the subject of TM30 (apologies for that). Just amazes me that these places are so disorganised. Big Wing in Buriram is a small dealership but packed with staff behind the desks, on the floor and in the workshop. Decent management badly needed.
On a more positive note the promise free gift of a Go Pro had arrived and they're not cheap. Not the latest model ( Hero 4) but 10,000 baht worth I think.
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Hello
Been visiting Thailand for the last 15 years around 4 times per year and have now retired full time to Buriram on an O.A visa, I arrived yesterday and the Mrs took me straight to Immigration to report where I was staying,(first time ever) my place of course. , took a number sat down and was called up immediately. he said you dont report she does. okee then , so she did and we were out of there in 15 minutes , They were very polite and with a bit of humour thrown in. I hope to meet some of the B.E regulars around town. Wozza.
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On Wednesday afternoon I was sitting with some gentlemen and partaking in some light refreshment. The subject of TM30 came up. Out of 7 people, 2 had never registered. The 5 that had all said that they were told by immigration that there was no need to register again, even if they left the country and returned, unless there was a change of address.
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I asked the IO the question ,if I went to Bangkok and stayed at a private house what do I and the house owner need to do and he said the house owner in Bangkok needs to report your stay and I need to report back when im back in Buriram Hmmmm?
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burirampea
I asked the IO the question ,if I went to Bangkok and stayed at a private house what do I and the house owner need to do and he said the house owner in Bangkok needs to report your stay and I need to report back when im back in Buriram Hmmmm?
And if you didn't who would know :wacko:
This whole TM30 is just a teamoney making exercise for local Immagration offices. TM30's were only supposed to be used for Hotels ,guesthouse's and long term renters. For 15+ years I or my wife has never filled one out even though I was on an Marrage extention for 12 of those years, have had home visits from Immigration ,4-5 police visits plus handed my details into the Village headman 2 or 3 times .
I did read that Phuket Immagaration were turning people away when trying to report and was told to do it online, even though their site was not working.
Like most laws/rules in Thailand they are only upheld when it suits ::)