Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: Bobbi on March 29, 2016, 03:18:35 PM
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Until now I always stayed for 89 or 90 days with a Tourist visa.
This time my boss granted me a slightly longer stay.
So I got a simple Non-O visa for the first time and nobody (not even Thai embassy in Switzerland who saw my airplane ticket) told me that it is not extensible until I went to Kap Choeng.
There they suggested a retirement visa (I'm 57 yo), but of course I didnt have all the bank papers and stuff.
So they told me to do a visa run for another 15 days, as I'm only staying 100 days in total.
Questions:
What papers do I have to bring to the border?
How many fotos (I read that I need more than one)?
Questions concerning retirement visa:
They told me that I must have 400000 in bank, but I read about 800000.
Which is true? Did they half it because I'm married to a Thai?
If I get the retirement visa, is there any time limit on the stay in Europe?
I mean can I stay outside Thailand for more than 4 months?
Thanks for any enlightening answers
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If you have an O visa you can extend at immigration , based on marriage, for 60 days.
Take your wife. Also take copies and originals of Thai marriage cert, wife's I'd card and house book.
No proof of funds required.
Copy of your passport and one passport size photo.
Will cost 1900 baht.
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I have not done a marriage "visa" yet. But here is what I have found to be needed for a Retirement "visa":
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,8136.0.html
You are welcome to PM me for support, my shop has 100% success rate on these "visas" so far. However, I make no guarantees as you will need to present the paperwork to KCI. But then any paperwork my shop would do is specified and provided in the posting. What I have found is that people come to my shop once, get the package along with digital copies, then find out it is not that hard, and do it themselves from then on.
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You have never done any visa in Thailand, Urleft.
You have, however, managed an extension of stay.
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You have never done any visa in Thailand, Urleft.
You have, however, managed an extension of stay.
I remember a question in my 'Use of English' examination many years ago.: what does the usage of double apostrophes around a word indicate?
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You obviously didnt listen to the teacher.
I cant see any apostrophes.
At least not in the post you have quoted.
Using the wrong word in apostrophes does not make it right.
Lets say the question is " Where can I get a new visa?"
What is the answer?.
The OP also mentioned staying 100ish days. I gave the best solution.
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Look at the bigger picture. 90 days entry, been to immigration already.
No time to season money.
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You obviously didnt listen to the teacher.
I cant see any apostrophes.
At least not in the post you have quoted.
Using the wrong word in apostrophes does not make it right.
Lets say the question is " Where can I get a new visa?"
What is the answer?.
The OP also mentioned staying 100ish days. I gave the best solution.
of course you did sir, you always do give the best solution, that must feel really satisfying. I imagine that urleft used the "apostrophied" word because he realises how confusing the concept of visa versus visa extension can be to newbies.
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Quote: You are welcome to PM me for support, my shop has 100% success rate on these "visas" so far. However, I make no guarantees as you will need to present the paperwork to KCI. But then any paperwork my shop would do is specified and provided in the posting. What I have found is that people come to my shop once, get the package along with digital copies, then find out it is not that hard, and do it themselves from then on.
Don't bother sending any more half arsed PMs, I don't read them.
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How would you know anything is half arsed if you don't read them?
Can't see an answer to my question.
I help many people with info about staying here. That's how I know the right terminology.
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You have never done any visa in Thailand, Urleft.
You have, however, managed an extension of stay.
You need to get Thailand understanding that. Whenever I fill out the TM 8 I check the box for "non immigrant visa" on the form as to "My previous visa for Thailand is of the category of"
Let me know how that works out for you.
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Works fine for me as that is correct.
You are applying for an extension of stay on a previous Non Imm entry.
Immigration need to know the type of visa that you entered on so that they can be sure that you are entitled to the extension that you are applying for.
I'm quite sure they understand.
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Works fine for me as that is correct.
You are applying for an extension of stay on a previous Non Imm entry.
Immigration need to know the type of visa that you entered on so that they can be sure that you are entitled to the extension that you are applying for.
I'm quite sure they understand.
Ok so if I never did a visa in Thailand (your words) how can immigration want to know what type of Visa I entered? Which is it Starman, I either did a visa in Thailand or I did not?
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I don't understand what it is you don't understand.
You enter on a visa. You get a permission to stay stamp. Your visa, if single entry, is stamped "used".
If you wish to stay longer than your permission to stay then you get an extension of stay.
Not a visa. Visas are available only outside of Thailand.
In some circumstances you nay be able to convert an entry in Thailand.
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I don't understand what it is you don't understand.
You enter on a visa. You get a permission to stay stamp. Your visa, if single entry, is stamped "used".
So I entered on a visa when I arrived in Thailand, therefore I did a visa in Thailand. That makes your posting wrong when you said:
You have never done any visa in Thailand, Urleft.
You have, however, managed an extension of stay.
Try to make accurate statements next time.
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If you entered Thailand on a visa then you got that visa outside of Thailand. You were at a border control. You used that visa to enter Thailand. You did not "do" it in Thailand.
My posts are very accurate.
You inability to not understand is confusing.
I will ask one more time....where can one obtain a new visa?
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You have said I have never done a visa in Thailand, and you have said I got a visa when I entered Thailand. Those are mutually exclusive statements.
All you have done is add confusion by replying to me.
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I said you had a visa as you entered Thailand. It was stamped "used" prior to you entering Thailand and you got a permission to stay stamp.
You extend that permission to stay. You do not extend a visa.
Where can you go to get a new visa?
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Starman,
I have proved where Thailand's offical GVT form TM 8 asks "My previous visa for Thailand is of the category of". And the correct selection for me is: "non immigrant visa"
Therefore per Thailand official Government paper work I had a Thailand Visa. I never did any Thailand paperwork outside of Thailand, I have either entered on a Tourist visa (per the TM 8 term) and used a re-entry permit, and I have only come in Thailand through BKK, never a border.
So per the Thai Goverment I had a visa that I could only have obtained in Thailand making your statement that:
You have never done any visa in Thailand, Urleft.
Inaccurate.
Also per the Oxford dictionary:
visa
Pronunciation: /ˈviːzə/
noun
An endorsement on a passport indicating that the holder is allowed to enter, leave, or stay for a specified period of time in a country
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/visa (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/visa)
Which is exactly an Extension of stay. Looks like you are doubly wrong Starman.
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Please tell me what immigration department you went to to obtain the visa you had in your passport prior to entering the Kingdom?
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Please tell me what immigration department you went to to obtain the visa you had in your passport prior to entering the Kingdom?
Never did. All my paperwork has been done in the Kingdom.
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You said you arrived on a visa?
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You said you arrived on a visa?
No, you said that.
I said you had a visa as you entered Thailand.
What I said was:
Therefore per Thailand official Government paper work I had a Thailand Visa. I never did any Thailand paperwork outside of Thailand, I have either entered on a Tourist visa (per the TM 8 term) and used a re-entry permit, and I have only come in Thailand through BKK, never a border.
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I don't understand what it is you don't understand.
You enter on a visa. You get a permission to stay stamp. Your visa, if single entry, is stamped "used".
So I entered on a visa when I arrived in Thailand, therefore I did a visa in Thailand. That makes your posting wrong when you said:
You have never done any visa in Thailand, Urleft.
You have, however, managed an extension of stay.
Try to make accurate statements next time.
Also funny that the link you posted refers to "Retirement extention for dummies". The first line is "I successfully obtained a retirement extension". Now you say it's a visa.
Explain the process you went through when you arrived at the airport ( also known as a border control). How many days entry did you get?
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Thanks for your replies - and for making me laugh about those detailed discussions ;)
All this is a bit confusing.
I was at the immigration with my wife, we had all papers (except house book, but they didnt ask for it).
In the TM7 I stated that I have a non O visa, and they looked at my passport too.
And all they said was "Cannot extend".
So I dont see reason to go there again.
And ...
I still dont know much about that 15 day extension on the border,
and if a retirement visa is the right way for me because I sometimes need to stay in Europe for more than 3 months.
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Given your circumstances I can't see that a retirement visa would be suitable. You wouldn't be able to complete your 90 day reports whilst out of the country. Even if you did them on line you would get caught out on your re-entry stamps.
I'm sure that eventually somone with more experience than myself will advise on whether a border run is possible on your current Non-O visa. Sorry I don't know.
Good luck.
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Not sure why they won't extend. Any entry can be extended by 60 days if you are married in Thailand.
Still, seems you are not going to get it.
Sounds like you don't have time for an extension based on retirement. How long do you have left on your permission to stay in your passport?
You can go to the border at ChongJom.
You need your passport and one passport photo. You need to leave Thailand. Get a Cambodian visa. That will cost 1500 baht. You can then stamp in and out of Cambodia, they will ask you for a further 300 baht as you are not staying 24 hours. When you come back into Thailand you will get a 15 day permission yo stay stamp.
For future reference sound like a retirement extension with a multi re entry permit will suit you. Can you get a multiple entry O visa in Switzerland? If you can that would be much easier.
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Given your circumstances I can't see that a retirement visa would be suitable. You wouldn't be able to complete your 90 day reports whilst out of the country. Even if you did them on line you would get caught out on your re-entry stamps.
I'm sure that eventually somone with more experience than myself will advise on whether a border run is possible on your current Non-O visa. Sorry I don't know.
Good luck.
If you are out of the country you don't need to do 90 day reports. When you leave Thailand your 90 day count stops. It starts again at 1 when you re enter.
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Given your circumstances I can't see that a retirement visa would be suitable. You wouldn't be able to complete your 90 day reports whilst out of the country. Even if you did them on line you would get caught out on your re-entry stamps.
I'm sure that eventually somone with more experience than myself will advise on whether a border run is possible on your current Non-O visa. Sorry I don't know.
Good luck.
If you are out of the country you don't need to do 90 day reports. When you leave Thailand your 90 day count stops. It starts again at 1 when you re enter.
That makes sense. I stand corrected.
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I don't understand what it is you don't understand.
You enter on a visa. You get a permission to stay stamp. Your visa, if single entry, is stamped "used".
So I entered on a visa when I arrived in Thailand, therefore I did a visa in Thailand. That makes your posting wrong when you said:
You have never done any visa in Thailand, Urleft.
You have, however, managed an extension of stay.
Try to make accurate statements next time.
Also funny that the link you posted refers to "Retirement extention for dummies". The first line is "I successfully obtained a retirement extension". Now you say it's a visa.
Explain the process you went through when you arrived at the airport ( also known as a border control). How many days entry did you get?
LOL, you are a hoot Starman.
First when I said "So I entered on a visa when I arrived in Thailand, therefore I did a visa in Thailand." I was using your words that I entered on a visa.
Then you now ask me to explain the process when I when though the airport. Which time, which airport? My last airport was BFV in February. I also arrived at BKK in Aug 2015 entering using my multiple reentry permit (which I have done every year since 2012).
Not sure what you are trying to get to. But all this crap started with you saying I never did a visa in Thailand, my approved TM 8's say I did a visa in Thailand and the Retirement Extension of Stay meets the Oxford definition of visa.
Now if you would have been a reasonable person you would have accepted my original posting using "visa" in quotes as me acknowledging that can be issues with the term this entire exchange would have been mute, Davu nailed it.
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Thanks Urleft.
Your inability to answer some simple questions just highlights everything.
You are starting to troll.
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@admin/mods It's about time this thread was closed, isn't it....
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Thanks Urleft.
Your inability to answer some simple questions just highlights everything.
You are starting to troll.
And your inability to ask a coherent questions highlights your ignorance.
And remember, you were the one that called me out on this thread, I had been content to just ignore you, but it was fun to put your ignorance, contradictions and inaccuracies on display.
Here is your question: "Explain the process you went through when you arrived at the airport ( also known as a border control). How many days entry did you get?"
And my response was which airport what time? Did you mean my last international flight into Thailand? You try to nail me for in your mind using a wrong term, but then you can't even provide enough specifics to ask a relevant question.
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Once again....where do expats need to go to get a new visa?
How many days did you get stamped in for when you arrived in Thailand prior to starting your visa process?
Did you say you arrived on a tourist visa?
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Meanwhile in Buriram..........?
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Yeah. Sorry to other members.
I have tried to help with terminology. I have given, and been thanked for, good advice to the op.
Just trying to help.
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Wow! This topic went side-ways pretty fast...Especially for this forum!
Given the thai government and especially the thai immigration offices and officers continual mis-use of terminology regarding; visas, extensions of stays (and securing a NEW extension of stay every year NOT "renew visa" like they always say), I'd weigh in they aren't the "go-to" people as far as what's what terminology wise no matter what they ask you to write on their form.
Case in point, there is NO such animal as either a "retirement visa" OR an extension of stay based on "retirement", no matter what the officer tells you in broken engrish OR stamps in your passport in english. The immigration rule which covers that NEVER uses the thai word retire (เกษียณ) in fact the wording is "in the instance of living out the end of your life" (กรณีใช้ชีวิตในบั้นปลาย) and one of the criteria is you must be over 50..
Also you NEVER EVER renew either a visa OR an extension of stay, period, end of story. You apply for and receive a new one every year because they are only good for a maximum of a year at a time. Now, your yearly extensions of stay could be "daisy-chained together" but every year you apply for and get a new one.
It is true when applying for a re-entry permit using a TM.8 AND if you're on a yearly extension of stay based on being over 50 you do mark that you previously held a Non-O visa because one of the criteria to get a yearly extension of stay is that you held a Non-O visa..
Man, usually you guys are pretty civil to each other.. I'm not used to a "who can pi** further in the sandbox" sort of thing on here...
As you were, carry on..
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Wow! This topic went side-ways pretty fast...Especially for this forum!
Given the thai government and especially the thai immigration offices and officers continual mis-use of terminology regarding; visas, extensions of stays (and securing a NEW extension of stay every year NOT "renew visa" like they always say), I'd weigh in they aren't the "go-to" people as far as what's what terminology wise no matter what they ask you to write on their form.
Case in point, there is NO such animal as either a "retirement visa" OR an extension of stay based on "retirement", no matter what the officer tells you in broken engrish OR stamps in your passport in english. The immigration rule which covers that NEVER uses the thai word retire (เกษียณ) in fact the wording is "in the instance of living out the end of your life" (กรณีใช้ชีวิตในบั้นปลาย) and one of the criteria is you must be over 50..
Also you NEVER EVER renew either a visa OR an extension of stay, period, end of story. You apply for and receive a new one every year because they are only good for a maximum of a year at a time. Now, your yearly extensions of stay could be "daisy-chained together" but every year you apply for and get a new one.
It is true when applying for a re-entry permit using a TM.8 AND if you're on a yearly extension of stay based on being over 50 you do mark that you previously held a Non-O visa because one of the criteria to get a yearly extension of stay is that you held a Non-O visa..
Man, usually you guys are pretty civil to each other.. I'm not used to a "who can pi** further in the sandbox" sort of thing on here...
As you were, carry on..
+1
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Yeah. Sorry to other members.
I have tried to help with terminology. I have given, and been thanked for, good advice to the op.
Just trying to help.
IMHO you are one of the most knowledgeable people to speak to on BE regarding visas and extensions of stay.
Mr. Urleft has also provided valuable info to help others as well.
Shame to see all your joint efforts are being obfuscated by some "handbag @ 20 paces" bullshit....
Just my humble opinion of course...
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Wow! This topic went side-ways pretty fast...Especially for this forum!
Given the thai government and especially the thai immigration offices and officers continual mis-use of terminology regarding; visas, extensions of stays (and securing a NEW extension of stay every year NOT "renew visa" like they always say), I'd weigh in they aren't the "go-to" people as far as what's what terminology wise no matter what they ask you to write on their form.
Case in point, there is NO such animal as either a "retirement visa" OR an extension of stay based on "retirement", no matter what the officer tells you in broken engrish OR stamps in your passport in english. The immigration rule which covers that NEVER uses the thai word retire (เกษียณ) in fact the wording is "in the instance of living out the end of your life" (กรณีใช้ชีวิตในบั้นปลาย) and one of the criteria is you must be over 50..
Also you NEVER EVER renew either a visa OR an extension of stay, period, end of story. You apply for and receive a new one every year because they are only good for a maximum of a year at a time. Now, your yearly extensions of stay could be "daisy-chained together" but every year you apply for and get a new one.
It is true when applying for a re-entry permit using a TM.8 AND if you're on a yearly extension of stay based on being over 50 you do mark that you previously held a Non-O visa because one of the criteria to get a yearly extension of stay is that you held a Non-O visa..
Man, usually you guys are pretty civil to each other.. I'm not used to a "who can pi** further in the sandbox" sort of thing on here...
As you were, carry on..
Tod, where is your designated immigration office....
Why should we not say that our extension of stay is not based on retirement since this is what is stamped in our passport? Especially since a lot of people are not aware and don't really care about the exact wording of the police order.
I think you are just confusing things further...
Just MHO of course...
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Not sure why they won't extend. Any entry can be extended by 60 days if you are married in Thailand.
Still, seems you are not going to get it.
Sounds like you don't have time for an extension based on retirement. How long do you have left on your permission to stay in your passport?
You can go to the border at ChongJom.
You need your passport and one passport photo. You need to leave Thailand. Get a Cambodian visa. That will cost 1500 baht. You can then stamp in and out of Cambodia, they will ask you for a further 300 baht as you are not staying 24 hours. When you come back into Thailand you will get a 15 day permission yo stay stamp.
For future reference sound like a retirement extension with a multi re entry permit will suit you. Can you get a multiple entry O visa in Switzerland? If you can that would be much easier.
Thanks for the detailed info.
I will go to ChongJom about 3 days before my visa expires.
And yes! Next time I will get a multiple entry O visa. That looks like the most simple way for me at the moment.
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That a lot of people "aren't aware" of what the thai version of the regulations say (as opposed to the engrish translation) is unfortunate. :( However, that a lot of people "don't care" is down right sad. :ohmy:
Honestly, where my designated immigration office is shouldn't even factor into it. Unfortunately, because each office runs like a little kingdom of its own, it does though. I use Bangkok, not the fiefdom and law unto itself out there in Nakhon Nowhere Surin known as KCI. sick1
The inter-web is clogged with posts on every thailand related forum filled with mis-information, wrong terminology, totally erroneous advice, etc. All I'm tryin' to do is get foreigners on the same page. I know it's a futile effort, kinda like trying to push a rope.. :o
I did not mean to confuse things further, only clear up the use of the wrong terminology concerning visas & extensions of stay here in thailand.. ;D
On the topic of the O/P: I too don't know why they wouldn't grant a 60 day extension of stay for "visiting family".. At least in Bangkok, all you need are the two marriage documents which you get at the Amphur when you register your marriage (Kor Ror 2 & 3), a copy of your thai wife's house book (thabian baan), her thai i/d, 1900baht and you get 60 days. Sheesh, they'll even give you a 60 day extension if you're listed on the birth certificate for your child too, whether you're married or not!
As an aside; Now when ever I call KCI to ask about their hare-brained policies, as soon as one particular officer recognizes my voice, they hang up and then the line is busy for a good 30 minutes. I guess they don't cotton to being questioned about their interpretation of the rules..
"We now return to your regularly scheduled slagging match, already in progress." :)
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I think we should declare this 'Slag Free Friday' and all be friends! Maybe not as entertaining for some however.
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For future reference
I went to Chong Chom with my wife the other day, and this is the story...
Must park the car about 500m before the border :-\
Good business for taxis bike038: 20 baht to go and 20 again for coming back.
Or you can walk and sweat :P
The moment you get off the motorbike, there's a guy who "knows all".
We thanked him and went on our own, he followed us through the Thai exit gate, where he finally gave up.
Had to stand in line quite a while. The right line seems to be for Cambodian people only.
My wife got 2 Arrival/Departure cards and I got none.
After exiting Thailand, you cross the place to enter Cambodia (they drive on the right side!).
1500 baht for the Visa and 300 for my wife (She has a passport - don't know if an ID is ok too).
Now you can take a taxi to go visit a near market or whatever.
We crossed the street to exit Cambodia again - no waiting in line, maybe its a matter of time of day.
Crossed the place to enter Thailand again on the left side of the street.
My wife did'nt need any of her Departure/Arrival cards, but I had to fill one now.
Luckily there were almost no people so waiting in line 2 times wasnt a problem.
After about 45 minutes I had my 15 day Visa.
Bring a bottle of water and a small towel :biggrin:
Hope this is helpful to somebody ;D
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The 300 baht was not for your wife.
Cambodian immigration states that you must stay at least 24 hours. The 300 baht payment is to allow you to leave the same day.
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Sharman is 100% correct. Also there is a car park just before departure on your left that you can park at for 50 baht.
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The car park has moved. As stated it is now about 500m up the road.
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The car park has moved. As stated it is now about 500m up the road.
What about the secured parking by the army on your right just before the re entry office ?
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What about the secured parking by the army on your right just before the re entry office ?
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Last time I was there, couldn't park there either. Motor bike taxi available from upper parking lot.
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Looks like the Junta is doing al they can to encourage tourism and cross border trade. ::)
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OK, so what type of visa do I need to get outside of Thailand that will be extendable by marriage or retirement in Thailand. Will an O visa work?
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OK, so what type of visa do I need to get outside of Thailand that will be extendable by marriage or retirement in Thailand. Will an O visa work?
Yes.
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Thanks, that is what I thought, but sometimes these visa/ extension of stay threads become confusing.
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I did point out that confusion can creep in when not using the correct terminology but for some it fell on deaf ears.
You seem to know the correct way to address things,Ahab, so you should be OK.