Buriram Expats

Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: Admin on January 03, 2010, 10:44:30 AM

Title: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Admin on January 03, 2010, 10:44:30 AM
Non Immigrant O  Extension Based on Marriage / Documents needed:

1.
Application form T.M. 7 with one photograph size 4x6 cm.
Visa Fee 1900.-Baht

2.
Copy of passport ( with certified true copy ) 2 copy

3.
Marriage Certificate 2 copy (Copy of marriage registration Papers (Kor Ror.3)

4.
(Tabian Ban)Wife’s house registration 2 copy

5.
Wife’s identity card 2 copy

6.
bank guarantee, signed with the bank manager i pick it up in the bank 1 day before

7.
An updated Bank Book (updated on the same day as the bank guarantee paper),
Showing more than 400.000 (more than 3 month).
OR
Evidence of the male farangs monthly income of 40,000 Baht.
Embassy letter if originating outside Thailand.
Tax reciepts if from within Thailand.

8.
Photos: Front of the house where you live,include you and your wife infront of the house.
Bring photos from your wedding as well, it may also be good.
MAP OF THE HOUSE ADDRESS.

9.
Copy of photo page, visa page and entry/permit to stay stamp page.
Add copy of TM6 departure card. (1 copy is enough) Just sign each copy that is what certification means.

3 to 5 Wife signs all of these and you also sign marriage certificate (it has your name on it).
(only one copy needed)

10.
Need copies of bank book pages also signed. Best to get an update on the day you go to immigration.


Advice:
Please be patient and don't get angry if things get slow or have any further documents the officer requesting you to bring. :)

*Bring all originals you have with you as well just in case the officer would like to see them as well.
 
 sawadi
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: dave the dude on January 03, 2010, 07:45:36 PM
Hi
Thats really useful info, as the list I got from Korat was written in Thai! confused4
Has this English list originated from that Office?

One mall point..

7. should also include the requirement for evidence of the male farangs monthly income of 40,000b, Embassy letter if originating outside Thailand and Tax reciepts if from within Thailand

Thanks for this info,Admin

Dave
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Admin on January 03, 2010, 08:01:47 PM
Hi
Thats really useful info, as the list I got from Korat was written in Thai! confused4
Has this English list originated from that Office?

One mall point..

7. should also include the requirement for evidence of the male farangs monthly income of 40,000b, Embassy letter if originating outside Thailand and Tax reciepts if from within Thailand

Thanks for this info,Admin

Dave

You're welcome. I edit the original list and added these you advised.

The problem with the Tax option is that it cost too much (more than 40K baht yearly Tax) as it's ONLY the husband/farang income and NOT COMBINED INCOME (As it used to be 1 year ago  letitallout).

 sawadi
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: ducati05 on January 03, 2010, 08:18:45 PM
Thanks ADMIN, printed and filed.... I will be lodging my visa app here in Dubai in the next few weeks
and this list will save me a lot of headaches when i go for my exstention........... brick1 brick1   
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: disting on July 07, 2010, 01:46:44 PM
There is a form not mentioned here that the girls at Chok Chai gave me. Its completely in Thai and has to be filled in in Thai. One each for the wife and me. Its a questionnaire/affidavit from the police saying who you are, job, family history, did I marry willingly etc etc. I had it translated to English. If anyone wants a copy, PM me.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: dave the dude on July 07, 2010, 06:40:31 PM
There is a form not mentioned here that the girls at Chok Chai gave me. Its completely in Thai and has to be filled in in Thai. One each for the wife and me. Its a questionnaire/affidavit from the police saying who you are, job, family history, did I marry willingly etc etc. I had it translated to English. If anyone wants a copy, PM me.

Quite correct. My wife had to fill one-in in February. It basically confirmed the details in my application (in Thai)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Admin on July 07, 2010, 06:48:57 PM
There is a form not mentioned here that the girls at Chok Chai gave me. Its completely in Thai and has to be filled in in Thai. One each for the wife and me. Its a questionnaire/affidavit from the police saying who you are, job, family history, did I marry willingly etc etc. I had it translated to English. If anyone wants a copy, PM me.

Here are the questionnaire/affidavit from (Free translation to English):
The translation is not so good in places but enough to understand what 
is being asked.
Please remember the form must be completed in THAI not 
english, one for wife, one for husband.

sawadi

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Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Geordie Boy on December 14, 2010, 11:02:23 AM
Firstly may I apologise if this has been covered elsewhere, but I have tried the "search" feature without success.

I intend to apply for an extension to my Non "O" visa, based on marriage to a Thai national.

My circumstances are as follows:

I was married in October 2009; I have 4 back to back Non "O" visas in my passport; I can meet all the requirements for this type of extension (financial etc).

My current Non "O" is valid until "visa must be utilised before 24 November 2011". So my question is when is the best time to apply, as in prior to 24/11/11 or after I do my last visa run in November 2011.

Thanks in anticipation
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Admin on December 14, 2010, 11:20:16 AM
Why would you do a visa run on November 2011? Is it a Multi entry visa require you to cross the border every 3 months and get another 3 months extention each time?

Anyway, you should apply to get the extention about 2-4 weeks before your visa expire.

Financially, you should keep the minimum 400,000 Baht at least 3 months in YOUR(Solely yours) THAI bank account.

Anyhow, you should read the information above.

If you have any further questions, we are here to help. sawadi
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Geordie Boy on December 14, 2010, 08:09:15 PM
Thanks for that Admin, but I think you have missed the point of my question.................... Do I apply for a 12 month extension during the validity period of my current "Non O" visa OR after I do my last visa trip in November by which time I will not have a "valid" visa and purely an entry/exit by stamp in my passport?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Admin on December 14, 2010, 09:58:28 PM
Thanks for that Admin, but I think you have missed the point of my question.................... Do I apply for a 12 month extension during the validity period of my current "Non O" visa OR after I do my last visa trip in November by which time I will not have a "valid" visa and purely an entry/exit by stamp in my passport?

As I told you, 2-4 weeks before your visa expire.
*Your non 'o' multi entry visa validity date won't matter anymore because you are applying for a 12 months extention!

If I was you, I  squeeze the visa till the end.
ie; make the visa run on november and apply for extention 1 month before expiration.
(It will be around January 2012)

But its really depend on your circumstances.

Your choice. king1
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Dave the Dude on December 15, 2010, 08:56:02 AM
You are allowed to apply no more than 30 days before your Visa expires and there is a wealth of formalities/paperwork&photocopies required.

A while back, I produced/adapted a 'tick list' of requirements (thats the type of extension, I am on too BTW) and if you are unsure, PM me and I will forward the info!

Dave 
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: mxyzptlk on December 28, 2010, 10:15:34 AM
You can apply while your visa is still valid, as long as it is within the last 30 days of your current permission to stay. I got sick of doing border hops, so I got my 1 year extension well before my Non O visa expired. 
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: boloa on December 28, 2010, 02:17:10 PM
You can apply while your visa is still valid, as long as it is within the last 30 days of your current permission to stay. I got sick of doing border hops, so I got my 1 year extension well before my Non O visa expired. 

Yes a much better option ....if you can meet all the requirements ,mainly having money in the bank or proof of the required income . rolleyesbar
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Admin on January 06, 2011, 09:00:25 PM
Update!

About the bank statement:

The last date show in the bank book should be less than 7 days before the day you apply.

In my case the last withdraw from the account was on 25/12/2010 so the officer said it might be a problem and not approved so just for any case she advised me to go to the closest bank (Korat/Nakhon Ratchasima) to deposit even 100 Baht that it will show the last date in the bank book is less than 7 days (IE: TODAY). slapfight

*Never mind that I updated and printed the bank book in the bank just yesterday.
+I have got a letter from the bank stating the updated amount I have in my bank account.

My conclusion and advice:
Deposit Minimum amount to the bank on the day you print the bank statement for the immigration to avoid confusion and wasted time.

sawadi
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Dave the Dude on January 07, 2011, 07:46:56 AM
Thank you for the advice,Almog.
These conditions get more stupid as the years roll on.

Just one question.
Were you applying using bank balance (400k) or income 40k p.m.) as you proof for financial stability?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Admin on January 07, 2011, 10:47:50 AM
Thank you for the advice,Almog.
These conditions get more stupid as the years roll on.

Just one question.
Were you applying using bank balance (400k) or income 40k p.m.) as you proof for financial stability?

Show money. Simple and Easy. sawadi
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: boloa on January 07, 2011, 12:38:14 PM
Thank you for the advice,Almog.
These conditions get more stupid as the years roll on.

Just one question.
Were you applying using bank balance (400k) or income 40k p.m.) as you proof for financial stability?

Show money. Simple and Easy. sawadi

Not if you haven't got any whistle..... :laugh:
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Dave the Dude on January 18, 2011, 09:37:48 AM
I hear a bottle of Red Label makes all problems vanish!  love6 party14
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: smithy99 on November 08, 2011, 08:55:54 PM
Visa by marriage money only needs to be in 2 months  NOT 3 as the op states

So im told by the person who signs
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Westside on November 08, 2011, 11:55:46 PM
Are retirement Visa's 2 months as well for the 800,000 BAHT in the bank or are they 3 months ??
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on November 09, 2011, 08:08:17 AM
Please remember that you are not applying for a visa.You are applying for an extension of stay. Visas can only be obtained outside of Thailand. Extensions can only be obtained inside.

Marriage and Retirement extensions have the same time scales. The first extension you apply for requires the money to be in the bank 2 months before application date.

Any subsequent extension, ie. 2nd 3rd, the money needs to be in the bank 3 months before application date.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: smithy99 on November 09, 2011, 10:02:03 AM
Thats incorrect Starman a marriage visa extension the money only needs to be in 2 months,confirmed by the head woman at korat who signs them.

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Really? on November 09, 2011, 10:10:36 AM
If you look at the MFA website it says that money must be in for 3 months. 2 months for the first extension.

Looks like a case of different offices using different time scales.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: smithy99 on November 09, 2011, 10:18:42 AM
Im aware of that,i also asked at Phuket immigration they also confirmed 2 months for extensions based on marriage.

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: mxyzptlk on November 09, 2011, 12:16:31 PM
When I did my 90 day report (@ Dan Kwien) in October, the lady on the info desk noticed that my marriage extension was due to expire in January so she gave me a renewal "pack"  and highlighted the monetary requirement which says 2 months.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on November 09, 2011, 02:28:27 PM
I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Admin on November 09, 2011, 02:54:40 PM
Its 2 months but just to be on the safe side people advice to have the money in the bank for 3 months before applying. Thats all.
sawadi
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: smithy99 on November 09, 2011, 03:31:58 PM
When I did my 90 day report (@ Dan Kwien) in October, the lady on the info desk noticed that my marriage extension was due to expire in January so she gave me a renewal "pack"  and highlighted the monetary requirement which says 2 months.

Thats correct Mxy

You normally find the best information comes from the horses mouth so to speak and when the person who signs the extension at korat says its 2 months,i take that as fact.

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: smithy99 on November 09, 2011, 03:33:59 PM
Its 2 months but just to be on the safe side people advice to have the money in the bank for 3 months before applying. Thats all.
sawadi

If its 2 months then 2 months it is,how much safer do you need to be ?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Charlie on November 10, 2011, 09:53:14 AM
Have to keep up so much nowdays. Marriage used to be 3 months.

The marriage reason now seems to have changed but the retirement hasn't.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Vombatus on November 10, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
If you look at the MFA website it says that money must be in for 3 months. 2 months for the first extension.

Looks like a case of different offices using different time scales.


I thought you were right Really - really!

I believed it was 2 months for the first application then 3 months.

However, I have re-checked the mfa website and it states 2 months.

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/temporarystay/policy777-2551_en.pdf

The 2 months then 3 months rule applies to RETIREMENT extensions (although if using a mix of income and capital no seasoning is required - i think!)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: mxyzptlk on November 10, 2011, 07:55:40 PM
If you look at the MFA website it says that money must be in for 3 months. 2 months for the first extension.

Looks like a case of different offices using different time scales.


I thought you were right Really - really!

I believed it was 2 months for the first application then 3 months.

However, I have re-checked the mfa website and it states 2 months.

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/temporarystay/policy777-2551_en.pdf

The 2 months then 3 months rule applies to RETIREMENT extensions (although if using a mix of income and capital no seasoning is required - i think!)
Yes, CC, you are right. If using the combination method (which you can only do with a retirement extension) then no seasoning is required
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 07, 2013, 10:17:59 AM
Why would you do a visa run on November 2011? Is it a Multi entry visa require you to cross the border every 3 months and get another 3 months extention each time?

Anyway, you should apply to get the extention about 2-4 weeks before your visa expire.

Financially, you should keep the minimum 400,000 Baht at least 3 months in YOUR(Solely yours) THAI bank account.

Anyhow, you should read the information above.

If you have any further questions, we are here to help. sawadi
Just to be sure, American CAN(?) obtain separate bank account?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 07, 2013, 10:26:49 AM
So when I move to Thailand and want to live full time or at least half time, I will want to get O visa as I married a Thai.  Now, the wedding in Thailand could not be registered as I did not have a "single letter" and did not have time to get one.  We were married when we came back to USA.  The question is this...should I go to the trouble of registering the wedding in Thailand (at the Thai embassy here).  The reason I think so is that in order to get Thai O visa I need to show proof of marriage, but a California (USA) certificate is just not going to do it in Thailand.  Any advice?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 07, 2013, 10:39:25 AM
So when I move to Thailand and want to live full time or at least half time, I will want to get O visa as I married a Thai.  Now, the wedding in Thailand could not be registered as I did not have a "single letter" and did not have time to get one.  We were married when we came back to USA.  The question is this...should I go to the trouble of registering the wedding in Thailand (at the Thai embassy here).  The reason I think so is that in order to get Thai O visa I need to show proof of marriage, but a California (USA) certificate is just not going to do it in Thailand.  Any advice?

If you use your marriage from the US you'll need to bring the marriage license with you  and  have it translate to Thai and registered her in Thailand. But you can apply for a receive an O based on marriage from a Thai consulate in the US befor you return.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 07, 2013, 10:51:27 AM
OK, thank you.  I will call the Thai Embassy here tomorrow to confirm what they need.  Thanks again. thumbup
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 07, 2013, 11:07:43 AM
OK, thank you.  I will call the Thai Embassy here tomorrow to confirm what they need.  Thanks again. thumbup

By all reports it is advised not to use the Thai Embassy in Washington DC or the Thai Consulate in           Los Angeles as they can be A-Holes. The Honorary Thai Consulate in Portland Oregon is good.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: ban1216 on May 25, 2013, 01:00:17 PM
One quick question about the bank guarantee letter is this something i just need to go to the bank and ask for ? and exactly what is it guaranteeing ??
thanks in advance
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 25, 2013, 01:15:17 PM
One quick question about the bank guarantee letter is this something i just need to go to the bank and ask for ? and exactly what is it guaranteeing ??
thanks in advance

Take your PP and bank book to your bank and ask for this letter, that's its for immigration. Its a letter confirming that your funds  400,000 bt has been in your account for 2 months the
 first time or 3 months for preceding extension and the account is in your name only. Bangkok Bank chages 100 bt for this letter. The letter should be no older than 3 days.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on May 25, 2013, 01:19:53 PM
Extensions for marriage are now 2 months for every time.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: ban1216 on May 25, 2013, 01:21:50 PM
excellent thankyou
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 25, 2013, 01:29:11 PM
Extensions for marriage are now 2 months for every time.

Depends on the immigration office and the officers.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: davu on May 25, 2013, 06:45:46 PM
Two months? That's really good news. Maybe they figure that that is the average length of a marriage here.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: ban1216 on May 26, 2013, 12:16:54 PM
So the bank guarantee letter is basically givint the same information as the bank book updated on the day of application then so another example of the thai enthusiasm to make us work hard lol    ::)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 26, 2013, 12:37:50 PM
When you get this letter the bank will update your book and make copies of it to attached to your letter. You will be asked to sign each copy by the bank. When you go to immigration take your bank book with you, they may ask to see it.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: ban1216 on May 26, 2013, 12:53:32 PM
Ok fair enough makes sense now and is actually helpful of the bank to do this i suppose
Thanks again
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Antonio on May 26, 2013, 12:58:41 PM
Ok fair enough makes sense now and is actually helpful of the bank to do this i suppose
Thanks again
They are not really being helpful,because there is a charge.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: ban1216 on May 26, 2013, 01:28:35 PM
Really i was led to believe only bkk bank charge 100 bht for this ?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 26, 2013, 01:29:44 PM
Ok fair enough makes sense now and is actually helpful of the bank to do this i suppose
Thanks again
They are not really being helpful,because there is a charge.

Whats the change?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 26, 2013, 01:35:08 PM
Really i was led to believe only bkk bank charge 100 bht for this ?

I'm with Bangkok Bank. My branch is in Chiang Mai 100 bt in CM or 3 weeks back 100 bt in Kap Choeng. What other bank charge I have would be guessing but I'm told about the same.s
Title: Re: Retirement Visa Info
Post by: Mikeh on September 06, 2013, 09:08:46 AM
I have a retirement multiple entry visa    My question is regarding pension confirmation letter from Embassy      Is there a period of time that I should get this letter prior to renewing my visa.  My Visa does not expire until next year.  Do I have to get the letter from Embassy nearer to the renewal date or can i do it now
Title: Re: Retirement Visa Info
Post by: gotlost on September 06, 2013, 09:18:26 AM
I have a retirement multiple entry visa    My question is regarding pension confirmation letter from Embassy      Is there a period of time that I should get this letter prior to renewing my visa.  My Visa does not expire until next year.  Do I have to get the letter from Embassy nearer to the renewal date or can i do it now

According to this Bangkok is honoring for 6 months.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/644827-immigration-extends-validity-of-income-verification-letter/
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Mikeh on September 06, 2013, 06:42:36 PM
thanks most helpful
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: urleft on July 08, 2014, 06:21:19 PM
Just talked to a guy that is on a Marriage extention.  Last year was his first time to get one at KCI, but Korat immigration came to his house to check him out.  So he had to go to KCI twice. 

When he went back today for a new extention, they said they had to send the paperwork to Korat for approval.  So they gave him 30 days and he has to return to KCI next month. 

Any thoughts on why Korat has to be involved?   
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 08, 2014, 06:28:07 PM
Korat is the regional head office.

All marriage extension applications for southern Issan must be sent there for approval.

I think, but don't quote me on this, that marriage extensions applied for in Buriram, Surin, Sissaket and Ubon (for sure, but there could be more) are all sent to Korat.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: urleft on July 08, 2014, 06:33:12 PM
Then is it normal for those "renewing" (yes technically new) a marriage extension to plan on two trips to KCI?  The application then 30 days later the approval? 

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 08, 2014, 06:36:06 PM
Then is it normal for those "renewing" (yes technically new) a marriage extension to plan on two trips to KCI?  The application then 30 days later the approval? 


Yes.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: urleft on July 08, 2014, 07:04:31 PM
Then is it normal for those "renewing" (yes technically new) a marriage extension to plan on two trips to KCI?  The application then 30 days later the approval? 


Yes.

OK, my bad.  I expected it to be like Retirement extensions where it is taken care of one day and the next visit is the 90 day.   


Thanks for that, have to assess whether it is worth the extra hassle to go for a marriage extention as I am thinking of stating up my own business with me as CEO, as I understand I am not allowed to work in Thailand with a retirement extension. 



Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 08, 2014, 07:11:05 PM
That is correct, although may vary from province to province.

Buriram labour office most certainly will not issue a work permit on an extension for retirement.

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 08, 2014, 07:49:44 PM
Korat is the regional head office.

All marriage extension applications for southern Issan must be sent there for approval.

I think, but don't quote me on this, that marriage extensions applied for in Buriram, Surin, Sissaket and Ubon (for sure, but there could be more) are all sent to Korat.

All of issan is region 4 immigration including KK and UT. Korat is region 4 headquarters. Turn around for an extension of marriage is normally under 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Nobby on July 08, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
That is correct, although may vary from province to province.

Buriram labour office most certainly will not issue a work permit on an extension for retirement.

I got one 2 years ago GL as my retirement visa extension did NOT have a 'not permitted to work' stamp but neither the less, I do agree that they do seem hard to get now. Better longterm with a 'B' visa. 
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 08, 2014, 10:02:55 PM
That is correct, although may vary from province to province.

Buriram labour office most certainly will not issue a work permit on an extension for retirement.

I got one 2 years ago GL as my retirement visa extension did NOT have a 'not permitted to work' stamp but neither the less, I do agree that they do seem hard to get now. Better longterm with a 'B' visa.

or as others do, a work permit is granted on a marriage extension but the down side on an marriage extension is if you and your true love split the sheets technically on the day you sign for the big D you have to get your arse to immigration and for 1900 baht they will give you a 7 day extension, it is NOT automatic.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Nobby on July 09, 2014, 08:59:09 AM
or as others do, a work permit is granted on a marriage extension but the down side on an marriage extension is if you and your true love split the sheets technically on the day you sign for the big D you have to get your arse to immigration and for 1900 baht they will give you a 7 day extension, it is NOT automatic.

Been there done that, HaHa!

Actually, although not strictly by the books, but KCI told me not to bother until that years extension had expired. I also visited a 2nd Imm Office and they told me the same thing.

Shock horror, someone using the rules with a bit of common sense.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 01, 2015, 04:00:05 PM
Anyone on a extension of stay based on Marriage that got his/her extension at KCI has an uptodate list of paperwork needed ?

I am currently on this extension but got it in Pattaya and as we are spending most of our time here, I will (try) to apply for the extension when it's due in KCI.

Thanks in advance, much appreciated
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: urleft on May 01, 2015, 04:09:57 PM
While I have never done a marriage extension, probably most of the current forms are here: 


http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,8136.0.html


Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 01, 2015, 04:48:18 PM
Thanks.

Oke then another question as with a marriage extension you have to jump a lot more hoops then with retirement ;) what are the Photo requirements that the IO wants to see ? Outside, Inside, how many and also do you need a witness at KCI ?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Nobby on May 01, 2015, 04:53:40 PM
Thanks.

Oke then another question as with a marriage extension you have to jump a lot more hoops then with retirement ;) what are the Photo requirements that the IO wants to see ? Outside, Inside, how many and also do you need a witness at KCI ?
When I had a marriage visa a few years ago they wanted a shot ouside of house , One showing you 2 with house/road number at entrance of house, one inside bedroom showing wardrobe full of clothes and another with Thai family.

This was a while ago so up to date info is worth checking too.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 01, 2015, 07:07:26 PM
Thanks.

Oke then another question as with a marriage extension you have to jump a lot more hoops then with retirement ;) what are the Photo requirements that the IO wants to see ? Outside, Inside, how many and also do you need a witness at KCI ?

Your forums are outdated Keith. KCI has come out with a couple of new ones. Also make sure you have at least 3 new photos of you an yours about the house one of these showing you and her with your address. Also a hand drawn map to your address and an updated KR2 from the amphora office. I will be doing my 4th marriage extension at KCI next. If you need a set of the forums best is either make an extra trip to KCI or just give your self some extra time. Remember when you turn this paper work in they need two sets of everything as they keep a sett at KCI and the originals go to Korat for approval.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 01, 2015, 07:08:55 PM
Thanks.

Oke then another question as with a marriage extension you have to jump a lot more hoops then with retirement ;) what are the Photo requirements that the IO wants to see ? Outside, Inside, how many and also do you need a witness at KCI ?

Your forums are outdated Keith. KCI has come out with a couple of new ones. Also make sure you have at least 3 new photos of you an yours about the house one of these showing you and her with your address. Also a hand drawn map to your address and an updated KR2 from the amphora office. I will be doing my 4th marriage extension at KCI next. If you need a set of the forums best is either make an extra trip to KCI or just give your self some extra time. Remember when you turn this paper work in they need two sets of everything as they keep a sett at KCI and the originals go to Korat for approval.

You do not need any witness at KCI BUT when they come to your house you will.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 01, 2015, 07:24:15 PM
Thx GL.

I think it's better if we beforehand goto KCI and ask about the requirements but more importantly if they allow us to do the extension as my misses doesn't (yet) have a Local Tabien Baan (Tabien Baan will be another 1-2 months) but we can  (hopefully) use her Brothers address.

If we go I will most certainly drop by your place for a cup of .... ;)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 01, 2015, 07:36:54 PM
Thx GL.

I think it's better if we beforehand goto KCI and ask about the requirements but more importantly if they allow us to do the extension as my misses doesn't (yet) have a Local Tabien Baan (Tabien Baan will be another 1-2 months) but we can  (hopefully) use her Brothers address.

If we go I will most certainly drop by your place for a cup of .... ;)

Sounds like a good idea. We are bouncing between the Old M&D and our new adobe which is coming along so if yo show up at the shop and we are not there give me a call 0861867267 and I can come and get you in 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: urleft on May 01, 2015, 08:43:08 PM

Your forums are outdated Keith.

Dave, which forms? 

I can believe it, but the forms I provided were current as Feb.   And the same froms are from the KCI instuction packet I obtained there in Feb.


The two new forms were the stay and penalty form.  So what has been updated?  Can you provide scanned copies?  Maybe the new KCI instuction packet?

Thanks,
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 01, 2015, 08:58:51 PM
The main two are OK but its the other two that have been changed. Wait tell next week and it could change again.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 04, 2015, 08:40:15 AM
One more question Guys, if the answer is No then I am stuck ;)

Does anyone know if KCI accepts a Fixed Deposit BBL account with the Money required? This account you can cancel at any time but you will lose the remaing interest.

Pattaya accepts this, so I am wondering about KCI.

Thanks

Edit: Will go on the 18th to KCI after we have dropped our Niece off at the School for the Deaf near Prasat.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 04, 2015, 09:10:09 AM
Or would this work ?

If my (current) extension expires, I will go for a 60 day extension (I understand you can get that once) and in the meantime the (local) Tabien Baan of my missus would be ready and I can apply for a new extension. Will this work or not ?

Only pitfall (I think) could be that I have to leave the country to get a new Non-O.

What do you guys think ?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 04, 2015, 09:28:31 AM
The main two are OK but its the other two that have been changed. Wait tell next week and it could change again.

KCI is putting out a 7 page pac of forums . That 7 different forums for marriage.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 04, 2015, 09:31:09 AM
One more question Guys, if the answer is No then I am stuck ;)

Does anyone know if KCI accepts a Fixed Deposit BBL account with the Money required? This account you can cancel at any time but you will lose the remaing interest.

Pattaya accepts this, so I am wondering about KCI.

Thanks

Edit: Will go on the 18th to KCI after we have dropped our Niece off at the School for the Deaf near Prasat.

My understanding is they do BUT they will want to see another account on what you live on. Best come on down and ask.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 04, 2015, 09:39:26 AM
One more question Guys, if the answer is No then I am stuck ;)

Does anyone know if KCI accepts a Fixed Deposit BBL account with the Money required? This account you can cancel at any time but you will lose the remaing interest.

Pattaya accepts this, so I am wondering about KCI.

Thanks

Edit: Will go on the 18th to KCI after we have dropped our Niece off at the School for the Deaf near Prasat.

My understanding is they do BUT they will want to see another account on what you live on. Best come on down and ask.

Thanks again GL.

So no point in having that account then if they also want to see money flowing, of course we have other accounts but never have more then 400k in those accounts.

Pattaya is perfectly oke with just the Fixed Deposit account and the Bank Letter never been asked for other accounts, but different IO different rules. TiT

But will do as suggested and go and talk to them
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 04, 2015, 09:53:45 AM
One more question Guys, if the answer is No then I am stuck ;)

Does anyone know if KCI accepts a Fixed Deposit BBL account with the Money required? This account you can cancel at any time but you will lose the remaing interest.

Pattaya accepts this, so I am wondering about KCI.

Thanks

Edit: Will go on the 18th to KCI after we have dropped our Niece off at the School for the Deaf near Prasat.

My understanding is they do BUT they will want to see another account on what you live on. Best come on down and ask.

Thanks again GL.

So no point in having that account then if they also want to see money flowing, of course we have other accounts but never have more then 400k in those accounts.

Pattaya is perfectly oke with just the Fixed Deposit account and the Bank Letter never been asked for other accounts, but different IO different rules. TiT

But will do as suggested and go and talk to them

KCI will accept an ATM receipt as proof. But ask.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 03:39:43 PM
I just came back from KCI, now I wish I hadn't went, the reason being that we where told that if you want to do my 90 days report or extend my visa, I can only do it if I show them an yellow tabien baan.

We showed them the tabien baan of my missus but they wouldn't budge, so foreigners if you come from other province and you want to extend your visa in Kap Choeng get a Yellow House Book and if you can't get one it's......

Wtf very disappointed

Now have to figure out my alternatives.

So i don't have any documents needed for Marriage extensions to show, but they said the fixed deposit account I have is more then enough and I don't need to show any other bankbook with money flowing around.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: toffo on May 18, 2015, 03:53:06 PM
And it will be different next week.. Incompetent immigration departments with different Rules
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 03:54:29 PM
They even said mail your 90 day report to Pattaya and when I said they not accept Mail in reports he wouldn't believe me
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 04:27:54 PM
Could someone visiting Kap Choeng do me a Favour ?

When they change immigration officers there, PM me and I will drive again up there and see if anything has changed.

That Yellow Tabien Baan thing is ... as peope who rent a place  are dependent if the house owner is willing to agree.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 18, 2015, 04:31:46 PM
Could someone visiting Kap Choeng do me a Favour ?

When they change immigration officers there, PM me and I will drive again up there and see if anything has changed.

That Yellow Tabien Baan thing is ... as peope who rent a place  are dependent if the house owner is willing to agree.

Wont do you no good as that is a standard requirement throughout Thailand. If you rent the Thai owner has to agree.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 04:40:00 PM
Could someone visiting Kap Choeng do me a Favour ?

When they change immigration officers there, PM me and I will drive again up there and see if anything has changed.

That Yellow Tabien Baan thing is ... as peope who rent a place  are dependent if the house owner is willing to agree.

Wont do you no good as that is a standard requirement throughout Thailand. If you rent the Thai owner has to agree.

I don't rent GL my wife owns the properties we live in and that comment was only to see how difficult it can be.

Btw that Immigration information girl in Kap Choeng already said some Amphurs will not issue yellow tabien baan.

And your information on money moving around wasn't an issue and wasn't required as the Fixed Deposit account was more then enough
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 18, 2015, 04:51:41 PM
Could someone visiting Kap Choeng do me a Favour ?

When they change immigration officers there, PM me and I will drive again up there and see if anything has changed.

That Yellow Tabien Baan thing is ... as peope who rent a place  are dependent if the house owner is willing to agree.

Wont do you no good as that is a standard requirement throughout Thailand. If you rent the Thai owner has to agree.

I don't rent GL my wife owns the properties we live in and that comment was only to see how difficult it can be.

Btw that Immigration information girl in Kap Choeng already said some Amphurs will not issue yellow tabien baan.

And your information on money moving around wasn't an issue and wasn't required as the Fixed Deposit account was more then enough


She is correct  some Amphurs will not issuing a YT. BTW a YT is address specific and if you move you to go to your amphur and get a transfer letter to your new address and amphur after you have registered at the address you will be given a new YT and the old YT is returned to the old address. Glade things worked out for you today.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 04:56:28 PM
What do you mean by "glad things worked out for you today" ?????

If you read my post from 15:39 I didn't get ANYWHERE with KCI, can't do anything NO extension NO 90 day report there at KCI if I don't get a Yellow House Book so basically will be left with getting extensions in Pattaya and doing 90 days report via Internet if the Amphur refuses me one.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on May 18, 2015, 06:51:53 PM
Could someone visiting Kap Choeng do me a Favour ?

When they change immigration officers there, PM me and I will drive again up there and see if anything has changed.

That Yellow Tabien Baan thing is ... as peope who rent a place  are dependent if the house owner is willing to agree.


This was tested out by 2 guys in Ban Kruat last month. We all knew the rule had chamnged.

Both had purchased extensions from Jomtien. One had a yellow book (but deliberately left it in the car), the other didn't have a yellow book.

They would not accept the 90 day report from the first guy. They said he needed a yellow book -"Got one it's in the car"..... "Go get it and you do your report".

The second guy went up and was refused - only after some pleading by the first guy (saying that they were in sync with their reporting and a yellow book would be obtained next time) was the report accepted.

I am aware that there are several people doing 90 reports for expats living in Buriram - the price is between 300 and 500 Baht a time.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 07:15:09 PM
Thanks CoCo, but I am not on a purchased Extension, and I doubt it if that is even possible with extensions of stay based on Marriage as that is not decided by the local IO but must be sent to immigration headquarters of the region who will make the decision/approval that is why the approval can take up to one month. And in this case I believe for KCI the headquarters is Korat.

The 90 days that I can't do them there is not a big deal, but that I can't do the extension in KCI in June is. It means for me at this moment in time the following

- need to get a Yellow Book, but if my district refuses I'm fcked ;)
- do a new extension of stay in Pattaya which means I have to stay a long time (3-4 weeks) in Pattaya :(
- Go to Laos and get a multiple Entry Non-O which means I have to leave every 90 days (but how long will this option be around ????)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Somnat on May 18, 2015, 07:31:03 PM
One would think that if your wife fills in the TM30 form and you the TM28 form that Immigration would accept that (?) and then allow you to do your 90 day report.



Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 07:47:23 PM
One would think that if your wife fills in the TM30 form and you the TM28 form that Immigration would accept that (?) and then allow you to do your 90 day report.

When I went to KCI i came prepared but I must admit we didn't have the TM 30 but as we moved from House to Condo and back again (so learned from previous experience and ThaiVisa (thx UbonJoe) we had the TM 28 with us.

When I showed this to them they immediately gave it back with "Get House Book" comment and just send 90 day slip to Pattaya by Post Office.

Very disappointed in the way they handled things, fortunately I have alternatives but I pity the guys who Don't
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on May 18, 2015, 07:50:24 PM
Thanks CoCo, but I am not on a purchased Extension, and I doubt it if that is even possible with extensions of stay based on Marriage as that is not decided by the local IO but must be sent to immigration headquarters of the region who will make the decision/approval that is why the approval can take up to one month. And in this case I believe for KCI the headquarters is Korat.

The 90 days that I can't do them there is not a big deal, but that I can't do the extension in KCI in June is. It means for me at this moment in time the following

- need to get a Yellow Book, but if my district refuses I'm fcked ;)
- do a new extension of stay in Pattaya which means I have to stay a long time (3-4 weeks) in Pattaya :(
- Go to Laos and get a multiple Entry Non-O which means I have to leave every 90 days (but how long will this option be around ????)

Sorry Mike, I hadn't read that you were on a marriage extension.

I still don't see the issue - are saying that a yellow book is needed for an extension?........ because frankly I don't believe that.


Later...... spoke to friend who by pure fluke did his marriage extension today. He hasn't got a yellow book.

(The marriage extensions actually go to Bangkok for sign off)

Mike, I don't see that you have a problem. Bowl up to KCI for your next extension and you are sorted.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 07:52:49 PM
Don't believe me it's up to you,but that is what KCI informed me and my missus when I visited them today, if I don't have a Yellow House Book I can't use that Office.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 07:57:17 PM
Also see the Chatbox

I spoke when I left there with a German Guy who was on the same extension (and picking his new one up) and I asked him if he has a Yellow House Book, he said NO. So IMO ithis requirement is for new people arriving only.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 18, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
Thanks CoCo, but I am not on a purchased Extension, and I doubt it if that is even possible with extensions of stay based on Marriage as that is not decided by the local IO but must be sent to immigration headquarters of the region who will make the decision/approval that is why the approval can take up to one month. And in this case I believe for KCI the headquarters is Korat.

The 90 days that I can't do them there is not a big deal, but that I can't do the extension in KCI in June is. It means for me at this moment in time the following

- need to get a Yellow Book, but if my district refuses I'm fcked ;)
- do a new extension of stay in Pattaya which means I have to stay a long time (3-4 weeks) in Pattaya :(
- Go to Laos and get a multiple Entry Non-O which means I have to leave every 90 days (but how long will this option be around ????)

Sorry Mike, I hadn't read that you were on a marriage extension.

I still don't see the issue - are saying that a yellow book is needed for an extension?........ because frankly I don't believe that.


Later...... spoke to friend who by pure fluke did his marriage extension today. He hasn't got a yellow book.

(The marriage extensions actually go to Bangkok for sign off)

Mike, I don't see that you have a problem. Bowl up to KCI for your next extension and you are sorted.

No they don't CO=Co they only go to Korat for all of Region 4. Normal turn around is 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on May 18, 2015, 08:13:10 PM
Thanks CoCo, but I am not on a purchased Extension, and I doubt it if that is even possible with extensions of stay based on Marriage as that is not decided by the local IO but must be sent to immigration headquarters of the region who will make the decision/approval that is why the approval can take up to one month. And in this case I believe for KCI the headquarters is Korat.

The 90 days that I can't do them there is not a big deal, but that I can't do the extension in KCI in June is. It means for me at this moment in time the following

- need to get a Yellow Book, but if my district refuses I'm fcked ;)
- do a new extension of stay in Pattaya which means I have to stay a long time (3-4 weeks) in Pattaya :(
- Go to Laos and get a multiple Entry Non-O which means I have to leave every 90 days (but how long will this option be around ????)

Sorry Mike, I hadn't read that you were on a marriage extension.

I still don't see the issue - are saying that a yellow book is needed for an extension?........ because frankly I don't believe that.


Later...... spoke to friend who by pure fluke did his marriage extension today. He hasn't got a yellow book.

(The marriage extensions actually go to Bangkok for sign off)

Mike, I don't see that you have a problem. Bowl up to KCI for your next extension and you are sorted.

No they don't CO=Co they only go to Korat for all of Region 4. Normal turn around is 2 weeks.

My friend was told Bangkok....... I will put him right.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 08:15:06 PM
Thanks CoCo, but I am not on a purchased Extension, and I doubt it if that is even possible with extensions of stay based on Marriage as that is not decided by the local IO but must be sent to immigration headquarters of the region who will make the decision/approval that is why the approval can take up to one month. And in this case I believe for KCI the headquarters is Korat.

The 90 days that I can't do them there is not a big deal, but that I can't do the extension in KCI in June is. It means for me at this moment in time the following

- need to get a Yellow Book, but if my district refuses I'm fcked ;)
- do a new extension of stay in Pattaya which means I have to stay a long time (3-4 weeks) in Pattaya :(
- Go to Laos and get a multiple Entry Non-O which means I have to leave every 90 days (but how long will this option be around ????)

Sorry Mike, I hadn't read that you were on a marriage extension.

I still don't see the issue - are saying that a yellow book is needed for an extension?........ because frankly I don't believe that.


Later...... spoke to friend who by pure fluke did his marriage extension today. He hasn't got a yellow book.

(The marriage extensions actually go to Bangkok for sign off)

Mike, I don't see that you have a problem. Bowl up to KCI for your next extension and you are sorted.

No they don't CO=Co they only go to Korat for all of Region 4. Normal turn around is 2 weeks.

My friend was told Bangkok....... I will put him right.

If issued in Pattaya then it's Bangkok, KCI falls under Korat
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on May 18, 2015, 08:17:36 PM
Also see the Chatbox

I spoke when I left there with a German Guy who was on the same extension (and picking his new one up) and I asked him if he has a Yellow House Book, he said NO. So IMO ithis requirement is for new people arriving only.


I still find that hard to believe.

For my retirement extension I would not be able to provide a yellow book - the amphur in Prakhonchai say you have to marry first and then apply - you MAY be successful.

What is the issue in getting a yellow book where you are Mike ?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 18, 2015, 08:21:09 PM
Thanks CoCo, but I am not on a purchased Extension, and I doubt it if that is even possible with extensions of stay based on Marriage as that is not decided by the local IO but must be sent to immigration headquarters of the region who will make the decision/approval that is why the approval can take up to one month. And in this case I believe for KCI the headquarters is Korat.

The 90 days that I can't do them there is not a big deal, but that I can't do the extension in KCI in June is. It means for me at this moment in time the following

- need to get a Yellow Book, but if my district refuses I'm fcked ;)
- do a new extension of stay in Pattaya which means I have to stay a long time (3-4 weeks) in Pattaya :(
- Go to Laos and get a multiple Entry Non-O which means I have to leave every 90 days (but how long will this option be around ????)

Sorry Mike, I hadn't read that you were on a marriage extension.

I still don't see the issue - are saying that a yellow book is needed for an extension?........ because frankly I don't believe that.


Later...... spoke to friend who by pure fluke did his marriage extension today. He hasn't got a yellow book.

(The marriage extensions actually go to Bangkok for sign off)

Mike, I don't see that you have a problem. Bowl up to KCI for your next extension and you are sorted.

No they don't CO=Co they only go to Korat for all of Region 4. Normal turn around is 2 weeks.

My friend was told Bangkok....... I will put him right.

Bar talk again. I just did my 4 th marriage extension at KCI and they only go to Korat.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 08:25:37 PM
Also see the Chatbox

I spoke when I left there with a German Guy who was on the same extension (and picking his new one up) and I asked him if he has a Yellow House Book, he said NO. So IMO ithis requirement is for new people arriving only.


I still find that hard to believe.

For my retirement extension I would not be able to provide a yellow book - the amphur in Prakhonchai say you have to marry first and then apply - you MAY be successful.

What is the issue in getting a yellow book where you are Mike ?

I have to emphasis that I believe that this issue is because of moving from one province to another one and thus will not affect people who have been dealing with this (KCI) Immigration office for many years.

You can find it hard to believe but it's the truth this is what has been said to me. I will be going tomorrow to the Amphur and ask if I can get one, but not all districts will issue them.

So my (and others who need to apply for one) problem is when the district will not issue, what is next ? As you then CAN'T use your local Immigration office (KCI In this case) for

- 90 days report
- applying extension of stay (stuck doing visa runs the rest of your life (ooh what joy)
- getting a residence certificate (but KCI don't issue them anyway) when you for example need to renew your driving license
Etc
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 18, 2015, 08:30:22 PM
Also see the Chatbox

I spoke when I left there with a German Guy who was on the same extension (and picking his new one up) and I asked him if he has a Yellow House Book, he said NO. So IMO ithis requirement is for new people arriving only.


I still find that hard to believe.

For my retirement extension I would not be able to provide a yellow book - the amphur in Prakhonchai say you have to marry first and then apply - you MAY be successful.

What is the issue in getting a yellow book where you are Mike ?

I have to emphasis that I believe that this issue is because of moving from one province to another one and thus will not affect people who have been dealing with this (KCI) Immigration office for many years.

You can find it hard to believe but it's the truth this is what has been said to me. I will be going tomorrow to the Amphur and ask if I can get one, but not all districts will issue them.

So my (and others who need to apply for one) problem is when the district will not issue, what is next ? As you then CAN'T use your local Immigration office (KCI In this case) for

- 90 days report
- applying extension of stay (stuck doing visa runs the rest of your life (ooh what joy)
- getting a residence certificate (but KCI don't issue them anyway) when you for example need to renew your driving license
Etc

In Buriram the most local cop shops issue the CR 100 to 100 baht.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 08:39:09 PM
55555.

I was already planning on letting my 5 year driving license expire and not renew it as driving is no fun here.

If we only knew if that Multiple Entry Non-O in Laos would be able available for many years to come (which I doubt) so we don't have to deal with IO's anymore ;)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 18, 2015, 08:41:58 PM
55555.

I was already planning on letting my 5 year driving license expire and not renew it as driving is no fun here.

If we only knew if that Multiple Entry Non-O in Laos would be able available for many years to come (which I doubt) so we don't have to deal with IO's anymore ;)

Its still going strong  but that is a crap shoot. Known of many of punter that are on them
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 18, 2015, 08:56:02 PM
55555.

I was already planning on letting my 5 year driving license expire and not renew it as driving is no fun here.

If we only knew if that Multiple Entry Non-O in Laos would be able available for many years to come (which I doubt) so we don't have to deal with IO's anymore ;)

Its still going strong  but that is a crap shoot. Known of many of punter that are on them

The good suffer because of the bad, maybe that is why they saying get a YTB because you need witnesses (Poo Yai Baan etc) and the rest to get one and this is maybe their ultimate solution to get rid of the bad guys ;)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Tod Daniels on May 19, 2015, 10:55:50 AM
You've got your wires crossed there "gotlost". There is no standard requirement that foreigners get the yellow house book in ANY province.. And NO, the owner of a dwelling who rents to you DOESN'T hafta agree to let you get one. You're quoting a law which doesn't exist. 

It is NOT mandatory that a foreigner possess a yellow house book to garner a yearly extension of stay, no matter what reason they're getting that extension for.

"iammike" - your mistake is talking to immigrations about something they don't do and don't know anything about.. They don't issue yellow house books, period, end of story. I wouldn't trust a thing they'd say about what Amphur does or doesn't issue them.

Now the way it is supposed to work is; if you previously got a yearly extension of stay in say Jomtien, then moved to a place under the jurisdiction of KCI you'd have to;
1) Fill out the TM.28 change of address form
2) Have the home owner fill out the TM.30 house master reporting a foreigner living in their property form
3) go to immigrations with the house owner, their blue house book and turn the formz

Then, by having done that you can do your 90 day reporting and apply for yearly extensions of stay at the new office. But, as I said there is NO requirement you get a yellow house book to get an extension of stay OR do a 90 day report

Now should you, for some strange reason want a yellow house book, EVERY Amphur in the country has to issue them to a foreigner IF the thai owner of the property says it's okay. There is no "opt out", "we don't do that here" choice for them..

I'd call the government hotline at 1111.. You can get the number of someone who will call and convince a recalcitrant paper pusher at the Amphur to issue the book. I believe it's more they don't know how to do it rather than they can't.. 

Coincidentally or not. Mostly to check what's what..

I just called KCI at 04-455-9127 spoke to a super nice guy there. (Now his english was fair to middlin, but we spoke in thai). I told him, I used to live in Chonburi for several years, and have an extension of stay based on being married to a thai national. However, now we've moved to Surin and I need to use Kap Choeng Immigrations. I asked IF I went there, turned in the TM.28 (change of address) and my wife turned in the TM.30 (foreigner living in a place) and showed her blue house book, could I then do my 90 day reporting AND apply for my yearly extensions of stay in Kap Choeng, even though I don't have a yellow house book?

He said, no problem, you don't need a yellow house book to do either a 90 day report OR get apply for a yearly extension of stay. 

At least that's the info I just got from him on the phone.. Your mileage may vary...
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 19, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
"You've got your wires crossed there "gotlost". There is no standard requirement that foreigners get the yellow house book in ANY province.. And NO, the owner of a dwelling who rents to you DOESN'T hafta agree to let you get one. You're quoting a law which doesn't exist.  "

I never said there was. No two amphora in Thailand have the same requirements and the YTB has never been finalized by the  Thai government so there fore you have a major cockup. As for immigration in Isaan you can tell them their full of it. They have the stamp and Bangkok is more than glade to let them call the shoots.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 19, 2015, 11:14:53 AM
I know of two people who were told directly told by KCI that their Embassy letter verifying their income were a forgery and they were denied an extension.
One is a Brit and the other an Aussie.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 19, 2015, 11:17:51 AM
Tod,

My wife (who is still at the Amphur waiting) will call them now and ask again, but I doubt that the story will be different, but if it is why did they tell us before they can help us I need to get the YTB.

They were even laughing and saying send 90 day by Post to Pattaya which I replied to Pattaya not accept Mail in reports, and he said "Don't Believe".

YMMV indeed
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on May 19, 2015, 11:20:02 AM
I know of two people who were told directly by KCI that their Embassy letter verifying their income were a forgery and they were denied an extension.
One is a Brit and the other an Aussie.


Which just shows what a bunch of koonts they are!
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 19, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
I know of two people who were told directly by KCI that their Embassy letter verifying their income were a forgery and they were denied an extension.
One is a Brit and the other an Aussie.


Which just shows what a bunch of koonts they are!

Who ? The two that got busted or KCI? :biggrin:
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on May 19, 2015, 11:26:13 AM
"You've got your wires crossed there "gotlost". There is no standard requirement that foreigners get the yellow house book in ANY province.. And NO, the owner of a dwelling who rents to you DOESN'T hafta agree to let you get one. You're quoting a law which doesn't exist.  "

I never said there was. No two amphora in Thailand have the same requirements and the YTB has never been finalized by the  Thai government so there fore you have a major cockup. As for immigration in Isaan you can tell them their full of it. They have the stamp and Bangkok is more than glade to let them call the shoots.

I think you did GL:-


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Quote from: iammike on Yesterday at 04:27:54 PM

    Could someone visiting Kap Choeng do me a Favour ?

    When they change immigration officers there, PM me and I will drive again up there and see if anything has changed.

    That Yellow Tabien Baan thing is ... as peope who rent a place  are dependent if the house owner is willing to agree.


Wont do you no good as that is a standard requirement throughout Thailand. If you rent the Thai owner has to agree.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 19, 2015, 11:26:45 AM
Update, my missus (which is Thai) just called KCI.

They were very abrupt and said don't wanna spend much time on the phone and they again said, Yes the Yellow Baan needs to be presented, our as his words where (which is IMO an impossibility) the Foreigner needs to be enterd in the wife's Tabien Baan so he has his own Tabien Baan (so in other words, need to get a YTB)

YMMV in F..... deed
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Tod Daniels on May 19, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
iammike; First off, this ain't a contest, I was tryin' to find out for myself and pass on the information.

Also, I am NOT doubting the information your wife got. I will point this out though; given the outright fear most rank-n-file thaiz have with ANY thai officialdom, perhaps she was not as hard-core or straight forward as I was when I spoke to the guy. I DIDN'T ask him what I should do, nor was I all that polite when we spoke. I was blunt, terse, to the point and I asked IF I did x, y and z could I do 90 day reports at KCI? I find it funny you say they didn't want to spend any time on the phone, because that guy NEVER gave me the impression of anything untoward or rushy, and tried to answer what I was asking.

As I said in the P/M to you, he wanted to make sure I wasn't just visiting my wife's house up there in the middle of nowhere and that I'd indeed moved up there.. That seemed to be the crux of it as far as 90 day reporting at their office

Wont do you no good as that is a standard requirement throughout Thailand. If you rent the Thai owner has to agree.

Sorry, I thought you said that^
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 19, 2015, 11:40:23 AM
"You've got your wires crossed there "gotlost". There is no standard requirement that foreigners get the yellow house book in ANY province.. And NO, the owner of a dwelling who rents to you DOESN'T hafta agree to let you get one. You're quoting a law which doesn't exist.  "

I never said there was. No two amphora in Thailand have the same requirements and the YTB has never been finalized by the  Thai government so there fore you have a major cockup. As for immigration in Isaan you can tell them their full of it. They have the stamp and Bangkok is more than glade to let them call the shoots.

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    Could someone visiting Kap Choeng do me a Favour ?

    When they change immigration officers there, PM me and I will drive again up there and see if anything has changed.

    That Yellow Tabien Baan thing is ... as peope who rent a place  are dependent if the house owner is willing to agree.


Wont do you no good as that is a standard requirement throughout Thailand. If you rent the Thai owner has to agree.


Mat not be a law but just about ALL immigration office requires this for verification of a farangs address.
"Wont do you no good as that is a standard requirement throughout Thailand. If you rent the Thai owner has to agree""

So I'll say it again if you have a problem with this take to the top. BTW I have had to do this at other immigration offices.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 19, 2015, 11:42:19 AM
I can speak a bit of Thai and yesterday it was absolutely made clear by my missus and definitely understood by the IO that we are building a house in Buriram and we have the Tabien Baan of my missus to prove it (Brand spanking new).

In the whole conversation I wasn't at all feeled welcome there (and we dressed appropriately and we don't look like "what the cat just dragged in") and when I asked my wife when we left the office, she had the same feeling. The only time they smiled was when I showed them, my Bangkok Bank accout Book, my Bangkok Bank Fixed Deposit book, my SCB bank book, my wife's Bangkok Bank book.

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 19, 2015, 11:46:13 AM
I am thinking of just sod it and just going to do VisaRuns, every 3 months another country to visit and maybe we like it there better then here and move there (but cambodia will not be on the list ;) )
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on May 19, 2015, 12:03:54 PM
I am thinking of just sod it and just going to do VisaRuns, every 3 months another country to visit and maybe we like it there better then here and move there (but cambodia will not be on the list ;) )


Mike, I have huge sympathy with your situation.

I do think your last comment is a bit defeatist - understandable frustration but still defeatist.

I would at least want to have a go at beating the b4stards.

YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG AND YOU SATISFY THE IMMIGRATION RULES.

I think the answer is about HOW you tackle it and GL is right - take it higher, ask to see the top man there. You have nothing to lose because you are getting bugger all and you are already prepared to go the annual visa route.

You always have the option of paying circa 12,000 Baht to acquire an extension!

I already have an extension but no yellow book- if they ever pulled the same stunt with me I would complain to the highest authority available. After that I would use your back up or even consider getting a visa for Cambodia and splitting my time between there and Thailand.

Have you posted your situation on Thai Visa ?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 19, 2015, 12:10:55 PM
Thanks Co-co,

No I haven't posted on TV but I'm in direct Contact with Ubon Joe on this. He already advised me to call 1111. We called and they said they will call back but won't hold my breath.

No ... Way I am going to pay for my extension, if the ... hits the fan and they found out that the extension is "fake" I will be in deep .... and that is one thing I don't want in this Country to happen. Everything I have done here (all extensions etc etc) have all been done the legal way and that is IMO the only way to do it.

Thanks for your kind words
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: dundeemk6 on May 19, 2015, 12:17:30 PM
I have to agree with Tod, most of our thai spouses shit in their panties when confronted with something "official".
When I got married 7 years ago I made sure to be as well informed as possible and had the help of an american who lives here in Thailand for about 20 years. He came with me and translated my request to the civil servant without my wife to be, being present so that civil servant had to talk to us instead of turning to the missus.
So I asked for the yellow house book and was told "no problem Sir, it will be ready after the signing of the civil marriage papers."
Whenever I go for my retirement extentions I ALWAYS go alone in the office so they have to deal with me.
Never had a problem in 7 years. They did try the loophole with the one thai document in the "bundle" at one time but I had it prepared with the missus the day before, that was the time when the "teamoney pot" was still on the desk.
Never put a dime in it.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on May 19, 2015, 12:31:57 PM
Thanks Co-co,

No I haven't posted on TV but I'm in direct Contact with Ubon Joe on this. He already advised me to call 1111. We called and they said they will call back but won't hold my breath.

No ... Way I am going to pay for my extension, if the ... hits the fan and they found out that the extension is "fake" I will be in deep .... and that is one thing I don't want in this Country to happen. Everything I have done here (all extensions etc etc) have all been done the legal way and that is IMO the only way to do it.

Thanks for your kind words

I have huge respect for Ubon Joe - I have had a number of exchanges with him about various situations - always a sensible and practical answer from him.


Keep the 'acquired' extension in perspective - it is NOT fake. The stamps are as genuine as anyone else's. They are inserted in your passport by an IO same as anyone else. You are entered on the system same as anyone else.

The risk is that if that they suddenly put a stop to the practice you won't have the option again at renewal. Personally, I can't see it ending soon as so many people are earning out of it.


i would only use this option if no other was available.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 19, 2015, 12:33:40 PM
Question,

Is that extension available for Marriage extension or "over 50" only, as I don't (yet) qualify for the last one ;)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on May 19, 2015, 12:38:58 PM
Question,

Is that extension available for Marriage extension or "over 50" only, as I don't (yet) qualify for the last one ;)


You lucky Bugger!!  :)

No Mike, it is only available for retirement extensions. 


(The world REALLY is against you at the moment  ;D)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 19, 2015, 12:48:27 PM
555555

Lucky or unlucky bugger it only depends on how you look at it ;)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Tod Daniels on May 19, 2015, 01:12:43 PM
okay, not that this information is all that helpful but maybe it is;

I just called Jomtien immigrations and they said the 90 day online reporting is up and running for them. This would mean iammike, you can use the online 90 day report program but use the chonburi address you have. They said it should go thru.

Now, here's the kicker, (and this is the first time I've been told this); you must use an email from either yahoo, gmail, or hotmail. They said NONE of the other email providers will receive the confirmations.

Anyway, try your 90 day report online using your house in chonburi's address, but remember you can do it ONLY between 15 and 7 days BEFORE your report is really due. It's a narrow 8 day window..

Give it a shot if you can.   
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 19, 2015, 01:19:08 PM
Hi Tod,

Where do you get all these numbers ;) all the numbers I Have from Jomtien Immigration never get answered 5555

I am 1 step ahead of you and tried that, and I am pleased to say ............. It failed with "contact your immigration blah blah blah". I checked and I can do the report (last entry is oke and timeframe is oke) but it still failed.

No problem we are going to Pattaya on Sunday and do the 90 day there on Wednesday, so that gives us some time to do some shopping and most Importantly my wife will make a new passport for our "forced" (every 90 day) traveling to other countries;)

Edit: On advice from Ubon Joe, I will also give Jomtien Immigration a TM 28 and Tm 30 with address in Buriram.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on May 19, 2015, 01:30:48 PM
Hi Tod,

Where do you get all these numbers ;) all the numbers I Have from Jomtien Immigration never get answered 5555

I am 1 step ahead of you and tried that, and I am pleased to say ............. It failed with "contact your immigration blah blah blah". I checked and I can do the report (last entry is oke and timeframe is oke) but it still failed.

No problem we are going to Pattaya on Sunday and do the 90 day there on Wednesday, so that gives us some time to do some shopping and most Importantly my wife will make a new passport for our "forced" (every 90 day) traveling to other countries;)

Edit: On advice from Ubon Joe, I will also give Jomtien Immigration a TM 28 and Tm 30 with address in Buriram.


Stick with this one Mike, I want to see the report of you getting your extension at KCI (without a yellow book).
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Tod Daniels on May 19, 2015, 01:33:48 PM
Oh, I found a download off the main immigrations website that has EVERY immigrations office in the country and all the border crossings phone numbers faxes, etc.  :P

Sorry to hear you got the "please contact your local immigrations office" error. When you go to Jomtien to do that 90 day report, ask the gurl to print out the information they have on you. There's something wrong with the data usually your last entered thailand date.

Also while I hate to disagree with Ubon Joe) I know you're just tryin' to do that because KCI wouldn't take the forms but, you don't turn in the TM.28, TM.30 when you leave a province, you turn it in when you get to where ever you're moving to. Let us know if Jomtien takes them from you. If they do, AND if they actually update the data base, you'll already be listed as residing up there. That'd short circuit the stonewall you're getting.. 
 
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 19, 2015, 01:55:34 PM
You are absolutely correct

Last message by Joe

That is for reporting at Kap Choeng immigration. Pattaya will not accept a change of address with your Buriram address on it.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on May 19, 2015, 06:53:30 PM
I know of two people who were told directly by KCI that their Embassy letter verifying their income were a forgery and they were denied an extension.
One is a Brit and the other an Aussie.


Which just shows what a bunch of koonts they are!




Who ? The two that got busted or KCI? :biggrin:



Why would you consider Farangs (who have legitimate paperwork) to be koonts GL  ?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 19, 2015, 07:36:24 PM
I know of two people who were told directly by KCI that their Embassy letter verifying their income were a forgery and they were denied an extension.
One is a Brit and the other an Aussie.


Which just shows what a bunch of koonts they are!




Who ? The two that got busted or KCI? :biggrin:



Why would you consider Farangs (who have legitimate paperwork) to be koonts GL  ?
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Who said I did? You sure like putting words in other mouths. :P
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 19, 2015, 09:33:29 PM
Has anyone obtained a yellow book from Lam Plai Mat?  Other than MIL, her blue book, marriage document that was issued there, photos.....anything else?  Wife says dealing with Buriram easy but Lam Plai Mat not so easy.    knuppel2
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 20, 2015, 07:20:23 AM
Has anyone obtained a yellow book from Lam Plai Mat?  Other than MIL, her blue book, marriage document that was issued there, photos.....anything else?  Wife says dealing with Buriram easy but Lam Plai Mat not so easy.    knuppel2

Tried to edit but option not available..... moved to the yellow book thread.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Matt Gregory on May 26, 2015, 10:04:37 AM
Just so everyone knows that if you go to Malaysia to apply for a multiple entry one year non immigrant O visa based on marriage you will not get it as they know have changed their policy and only give out single entry visa's.

When I asked why they said the applicant has to be Malay to be eligible for a multiple entry visa. Therefore you have to apply in your home country.

I don't know if this applies to other countries, maybe someone could enlighten me on this.

I was in Malaysia last week when I got this information.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 26, 2015, 10:42:23 AM
^ same info I got.

So Savvanakhet Laos is still the best place to go for a Multiple Non-O (based on Marriage)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 26, 2015, 10:51:59 AM
^ same info I got.

So Savvanakhet Laos is still the best place to go for a Multiple Non-O (based on Marriage)

Its the only place to go in SE Asia for an O multi based on marriage.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on July 02, 2015, 10:25:33 AM
I don't know if this already has been posted, but this is the document (from KCI) which states what documents are required for a new extension of stay based on Marriage.

Picked it up last time I was there but forgot about it completely after the Yellow House Book "ordeal".

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 02, 2015, 10:30:37 AM
They don't mention the KR2 which is must. OR the KR 22 of your have foreign marriage.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on July 02, 2015, 10:40:38 AM
Thanks GL,

That will help other people who are looking for an extension of stay at that office ;)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 02, 2015, 01:08:47 PM
Thanks GL,

That will help other people who are looking for an extension of stay at that office ;)

Its a requirement at all immigration offices.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on January 27, 2016, 03:42:14 PM
Just a quick update following a friends visit to KCI today.

1. Only take one set of documents. The IO will sign and stamp them and then get you to go and get ONE more copy from the copy shop (gold shop if the copy shop is busy).

2. The ticket system was not in use and my friend was called into the Captain's office on the left. He has a list of required forms that he ticks off as he goes. My man had everything per Keith's list. The Captain also pulled out a 'Statement' of guarantee for his wife to sign.

3. Forms in Thai - one for the applicant to sign and one for the wife.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: urleft on January 27, 2016, 03:53:23 PM
Ray, I think he and I were there at the same time.  I met a Brit there getting a marriage extension, showed him a pic of my daughter told him I had a Scouser bud in the village. 

Funny about the ticket system, they said it was not working but the system started calling numbers while he and I were being checked. 

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: smoooth2 on January 27, 2016, 04:40:01 PM
Ray .... what is a "statement of guarantee" ?  What is she guaranteeing ?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on January 27, 2016, 06:02:22 PM
Ray .... what is a "statement of guarantee" ?  What is she guaranteeing ?


Seems to be a confirmation that you are living at said address and a general 'guarantee' of the the Farang.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Dylan.t on July 15, 2016, 08:49:07 PM
I will need to apply for an extension to my O marriage visa in a couple of month's time.
We got married in the UK ,so our marriage certificate is  English. Do I have to have this translated into Thai and notarised for the immigration office, or will they accept a copy of the original?
Also I'm living in Buached, Surin province and assume that I can use Kap Choeng immigration.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Sofa_King on July 16, 2016, 01:56:56 AM
I will need to apply for an extension to my O marriage visa in a couple of month's time.
We got married in the UK ,so our marriage certificate is  English. Do I have to have this translated into Thai and notarised for the immigration office, or will they accept a copy of the original?
Also I'm living in Buached, Surin province and assume that I can use Kap Choeng immigration.

Hi Dylan.t

I'm not an expert on this sort of thing but over the years I have heard this question asked a few times.
I think you have to go to a translating service ( I think there is a member of BE that will be able to help you on that one ) , have your English marriage certificate translated into Thai, then get that translation certified by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, then go to your local Amphur and actually register the fact that you and your Thai wife got married in the UK.. They will give you a Kor Ror 22 form which is a  "certification of registration of marriage abroad" .
By getting a Kor Ror 22 ,which means your marriage in the UK will be registered here at your local Amphur , which should make the visa application a little easier at KCI.....hopefully. ::)
Maybe one of the other members on here may have better info than I have tried to supply or whist you still have a few months before you need your extension, then maybe go to Kap Choeng immigration and ask them what you need to do ,the last thing you want to do is to leave to the last moment to try and sort out your paperwork !!
:)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 16, 2016, 06:33:16 AM
I will need to apply for an extension to my O marriage visa in a couple of month's time.
We got married in the UK ,so our marriage certificate is  English. Do I have to have this translated into Thai and notarised for the immigration office, or will they accept a copy of the original?
Also I'm living in Buached, Surin province and assume that I can use Kap Choeng immigration.

Hi Dylan.t

I'm not an expert on this sort of thing but over the years I have heard this question asked a few times.
I think you have to go to a translating service ( I think there is a member of BE that will be able to help you on that one ) , have your English marriage certificate translated into Thai, then get that translation certified by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, then go to your local Amphur and actually register the fact that you and your Thai wife got married in the UK.. They will give you a Kor Ror 22 form which is a  "certification of registration of marriage abroad" .
By getting a Kor Ror 22 ,which means your marriage in the UK will be registered here at your local Amphur , which should make the visa application a little easier at KCI.....hopefully. ::)
Maybe one of the other members on here may have better info than I have tried to supply or whist you still have a few months before you need your extension, then maybe go to Kap Choeng immigration and ask them what you need to do ,the last thing you want to do is to leave to the last moment to try and sort out your paperwork !!
:)

Just a note. First you have to go to your embassy in Bangkok and swear an affidavit that your marriage certified is true. Then while your in BK at your embassy go across the street to a translator services and they will due the translation of both your marriage certificate and the affidavit and send them to the MFA and return them to you. At which point what SK has said is pretty much correct. Your idea of making a trip to KCI and asking is spot on. They will give you an 8 page pac of forums some in english and some in Thai to be filled out by you and your wife. You will need pass port photos and 3 4x6 photos of the two of you about the your house with one of the photos showing your address. You will need a hand drawn map where you leave. Your wife will need to submit copies of her house book and ID card. As you said a trip to KCI is indeed warranted and you can cheek out the Chong Chom Market.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 16, 2016, 07:51:28 AM
GL is on the money.

You need to get your marraige certifictae certified as true. Then a translation notorised by the MFA.

You may wish to go to the local district office to where you live and register the marriage too.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 16, 2016, 08:18:46 AM
Another point. After you have the MFA certification YOU have to go to your local amphur with these and have the marriage registered. The amphur after they register your marriage will give you a KR-22 stamped and certified by them that you are now legally recognized in Thailand as being married. ( A KR-2 is for those that are married in Thailand). Every year you will need to to get a new KR-22 for your marriage extension. KCI requirement. This shows that your still married. Cost is a whopping 20 baht. For info the KR-22 or the KR-2 can be obtained at any amphur in Thailand after your marriage is registered. Also when you apply at KCI and this is a nation wide standard you will be put on an under consideration of 30 days which is part of your 12 marriage extension. During that 30 day under consideration KCI will call your wife not you and confirm an interview time at your house. You will need two wittiness and as of late KCI is requiring that they be village officials. Your wife will take care of this. And just in case your wife has to be with you when you apply at KCI.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Dylan.t on July 16, 2016, 09:28:02 AM
Thanks for the information - not as easy as I initially thought.

Correct me if I'm wrong -looks like I'll have to travel and make an appointment at the Embassy in Bangkok and get our wedding certificate notarised. Then get it translated and verified by the MFA  in Bangkok. Will I have to make an appointment with the MFA or just show-up on the day?
Travel back to Surin and get the KR22 form using the translated, notarised wedding certificate.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 16, 2016, 09:46:46 AM
Thanks for the information - not as easy as I initially thought.

Correct me if I'm wrong -looks like I'll have to travel and make an appointment at the Embassy in Bangkok and get our wedding certificate notarised. Then get it translated and verified by the MFA  in Bangkok. Will I have to make an appointment with the MFA or just show-up on the day?
Travel back to Surin and get the KR22 form using the translated, notarised wedding certificate.

My suggestion is go to BK and spend a night or two. Let the translation service due the leg work as for the MFA. Should be able to pick it up from the translator the next day. Check with your embassy to see if you need to make an appointment for their service. The USA Embassy does require an on line appointed. Oh.. Make sure that before you turn your MFA stamped copies to the amphur MAKE COPIES for your file.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 16, 2016, 10:33:53 AM
For info. A marriage in Thailand the certificate is called a Kor Ror 3. You get 2 of these when you marry in Thailand AND they do not issue replacement so protect them. The yearly certificate for a marriage extension is called Kor Ror 2 if you are married in Thailand. This is what I get every year. The certificate for a forgen marriage is called Kor Ror 22 and is for a foreign marriage. In short we tend to call them KR3, KR2 and KR22. Don't be surprised if you ask for a KR that they blinks their eyes at you. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Sofa_King on July 16, 2016, 10:37:22 AM
Thanks for the information - not as easy as I initially thought.

Correct me if I'm wrong -looks like I'll have to travel and make an appointment at the Embassy in Bangkok and get our wedding certificate notarised. Then get it translated and verified by the MFA  in Bangkok. Will I have to make an appointment with the MFA or just show-up on the day?
Travel back to Surin and get the KR22 form using the translated, notarised wedding certificate.

If you're over 50 and you have an income of over 60k baht a month or you can  put 800k Baht in the Bank it could be easier to just get an Visa Extension based on Retirement,less paper work and less hassle
Remember for a Marriage Vise  Extension this is 40k and 400k and this must be done now so it meets the seasoning requirement  ;)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: smoooth2 on July 16, 2016, 10:38:14 AM
Thanks for the information - not as easy as I initially thought.

Correct me if I'm wrong -looks like I'll have to travel and make an appointment at the Embassy in Bangkok and get our wedding certificate notarised. Then get it translated and verified by the MFA  in Bangkok. Will I have to make an appointment with the MFA or just show-up on the day?
Travel back to Surin and get the KR22 form using the translated, notarised wedding certificate.

My suggestion is go to BK and spend a night or two. Let the translation service due the leg work as for the MFA. Should be able to pick it up from the translator the next day. Check with your embassy to see if you need to make an appointment for their service. The USA Embassy does require an on line appointed. Oh.. Make sure that before you turn your MFA stamped copies to the amphur MAKE COPIES for your file.


Sounds like an identical process to getting Marriage Affirmation from Embassy, then going through the translation and MFA certification process in BKK ... then back to Amphur Buriram for finalisation. I did all this for marriage 7 months ago.

Difference being, Dylan has a UK Marriage Cert, not an overseas divorce cert, to get notarised by Embassy as Step 1. I don't know if UK Embassy requires appointment for this. (Oz Embassy didn't for divorce cert)

As Gotlost said, it will almost certainly take 2 days (maybe 3 if the translation is not accepted first time by MFA). Don't pre book a bus/airline ticket back to Buriram, as this will just put more stress on your timing, something that is 100% out of your control.

MFA is way out near Don Mueang Airport, a very long way from UK Embassy. There are numerous translation touts in the lobby of MFA. Ours did a good job 700 baht for 3 docs, and hung around with us during the waiting period. I suspect to make sure his translation was acceptable to MFA.

Don't know how a city based translation guy can do the whole application process for you, without you being present, as we had a private interview with little Boss, and signed many docs at MFA.

Anyway .... the BKK end of this ordeal was painfully tedious. The easy part was Buriram Amphur.







Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: urleft on July 16, 2016, 10:45:04 AM
Thanks for the information - not as easy as I initially thought.

Correct me if I'm wrong -looks like I'll have to travel and make an appointment at the Embassy in Bangkok and get our wedding certificate notarised. Then get it translated and verified by the MFA  in Bangkok. Will I have to make an appointment with the MFA or just show-up on the day?
Travel back to Surin and get the KR22 form using the translated, notarised wedding certificate.

If you're over 50 and you have an income of over 60k baht a month or you can  put 800k Baht in the Bank it could be easier to just get an Visa Extension based on Retirement,less paper work and less hassle
Remember for a Marriage Vise  Extension this is 40k and 400k and this must be done now so it meets the seasoning requirement  ;)

And the money in the bank has to be in your name only, not a joint account.  Know a guy that was breezing through the process this week and at the very end the agent noted the joint account, so he was denied the visa. 

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: mudcat on July 16, 2016, 10:54:02 AM
Not sure if the U.S. Embassy will authenticate a marriage certificate - maybe someone has an accepted procedure for getting a U.S. marriage certificate through the MFA.

Authentication of Vital Records, Academic, Commercial or Other Credentials Issued in the U.S.

U.S. Consular officers are not empowered to authenticate public documents issued in the United States. Such documents include vital records (birth, marriage, death, and divorce), as well as academic, commercial, or other credentials. Consular officers do not have access to the records of the issuing office or the seal of the custodian of these records.

For more information on Authentication of Documents, Apostilles, or Copies of Birth, Death, Marriage, or Divorce Records, please consult the Department of State Travel site


https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/local-resources-of-u-s-citizens/notaries-public/authentication-vital-records/
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 16, 2016, 10:59:41 AM
Thanks for the information - not as easy as I initially thought.

Correct me if I'm wrong -looks like I'll have to travel and make an appointment at the Embassy in Bangkok and get our wedding certificate notarised. Then get it translated and verified by the MFA  in Bangkok. Will I have to make an appointment with the MFA or just show-up on the day?
Travel back to Surin and get the KR22 form using the translated, notarised wedding certificate.

If you're over 50 and you have an income of over 60k baht a month or you can  put 800k Baht in the Bank it could be easier to just get an Visa Extension based on Retirement,less paper work and less hassle
Remember for a Marriage Vise  Extension this is 40k and 400k and this must be done now so it meets the seasoning requirement  ;)

Seasoning for a marriage extension is only two months every time if your doing this on money in the bank. As another poster stated if your doing this by the bank method that account has to be and must be in your name only. BUT you can sign papers in your bank that gives your wife direct control of the account if you kick the bucket.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 16, 2016, 11:06:49 AM
Not sure if the U.S. Embassy will authenticate a marriage certificate - maybe someone has an accepted procedure for getting a U.S. marriage certificate through the MFA.

Authentication of Vital Records, Academic, Commercial or Other Credentials Issued in the U.S.

U.S. Consular officers are not empowered to authenticate public documents issued in the United States. Such documents include vital records (birth, marriage, death, and divorce), as well as academic, commercial, or other credentials. Consular officers do not have access to the records of the issuing office or the seal of the custodian of these records.

For more information on Authentication of Documents, Apostilles, or Copies of Birth, Death, Marriage, or Divorce Records, please consult the Department of State Travel site


https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/local-resources-of-u-s-citizens/notaries-public/authentication-vital-records/

Same for the US as has been stated on this tread.. They are NOT authenticating the document they are taking an oath from you that the document is True. There are American members on this forum that have had to do this. ALL foreign marriages certificates have to go this route to be recognized by the MFA.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Dylan.t on July 16, 2016, 11:38:24 AM
If I marry my wife again here in Thailand, will this save me the hassle of having our UK certificate verified and translated?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 16, 2016, 11:53:35 AM
If you marry here you still need documents from your embassy and they need to be notarised by the MFA.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 16, 2016, 11:58:09 AM
If I marry my wife again here in Thailand, will this save me the hassle of having our UK certificate verified and translated?

Interesting question. Some may say your committing bigamy as your all ready married and legally you can not do this. Also if you were to get married in Thailand you still need to go to your embassy in Bangkok and obtain an "affirmation to marry affidavit" from them in which they do ask you of your martial status: single, widower or divorced. :o Anything you mark could legally land you in hot water. If you were not married and doing this for the first time YES INHO by marrying overseas makes you do additional work in Thailand. But is your doing this in Thailand and you were divorced in a previous  life you legally need your original divorce decree. Embassy's  have been know to insist on them because this a law by the MFA and amphurs are known to ask for it. I could go into more on this but won't. Go to Bangkok and do what has been laid out on this thread and you will be ok. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on July 16, 2016, 12:13:22 PM
Thanks for the information - not as easy as I initially thought.

Correct me if I'm wrong -looks like I'll have to travel and make an appointment at the Embassy in Bangkok and get our wedding certificate notarised. Then get it translated and verified by the MFA  in Bangkok. Will I have to make an appointment with the MFA or just show-up on the day?
Travel back to Surin and get the KR22 form using the translated, notarised wedding certificate.

If you're over 50 and you have an income of over 60k baht a month or you can  put 800k Baht in the Bank it could be easier to just get an Visa Extension based on Retirement,less paper work and less hassle
Remember for a Marriage Vise  Extension this is 40k and 400k and this must be done now so it meets the seasoning requirement  ;)




65k Baht a month for retirement extension.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Sofa_King on July 16, 2016, 05:02:07 PM
Thanks for the information - not as easy as I initially thought.

Correct me if I'm wrong -looks like I'll have to travel and make an appointment at the Embassy in Bangkok and get our wedding certificate notarised. Then get it translated and verified by the MFA  in Bangkok. Will I have to make an appointment with the MFA or just show-up on the day?
Travel back to Surin and get the KR22 form using the translated, notarised wedding certificate.

If you're over 50 and you have an income of over 60k baht a month or you can  put 800k Baht in the Bank it could be easier to just get an Visa Extension based on Retirement,less paper work and less hassle
Remember for a Marriage Vise  Extension this is 40k and 400k and this must be done now so it meets the seasoning requirement  ;)




65k Baht a month for retirement extension.

I stand corrected ... as the man in the orthopaedic shoes would say  :biggrin:

Its even more now with the current  GBP exchange rate compared to a few weeks ago  :blink:
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Dylan.t on July 28, 2016, 01:37:11 PM
I made an appointment with the UK embassy to have my British wedding certificate legalised. I travelled down from Surin and turned up for the appointment, only to be told that they no longer provide this service. Complete waste of time and money.
The service is now provided on-line - https://www.gov.uk/get-document-legalised where a £30 fee is paid, a form is download which is filled-in and posted with the certificate to the office in Milton Keynes. The certified certificate must then be sent by courier (fee £5.50) to the Thai Embassy in London. What happens next I'm no sure of, but it also needs to be stamped by the MFA in Bangkok. I've emailed the Thai Embassy to find out.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 28, 2016, 01:57:16 PM
I made an appointment with the UK embassy to have my British wedding certificate legalised. I travelled down from Surin and turned up for the appointment, only to be told that they no longer provide this service. Complete waste of time and money.
The service is now provided on-line - https://www.gov.uk/get-document-legalised where a £30 fee is paid, a form is download which is filled-in and posted with the certificate to the office in Milton Keynes. The certified certificate must then be sent by courier (fee £5.50) to the Thai Embassy in London. What happens next I'm no sure of, but it also needs to be stamped by the MFA in Bangkok. I've emailed the Thai Embassy to find out.

Keeps is updated on your findings. You may want to check with Surin Immigration but my gut feelings are it will still need to be stamped by MFA Bangkok.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Dylan.t on July 28, 2016, 02:55:19 PM
Yes - you're right it does need to be stamped by the MFA. I'm not sure if the Thai Embassy in London send it directly to the MFA or back to me to send it on
Also the Thai Embassy only accept cash or postal order,  so I've asked then how i pay their £10 fee.
I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Dylan.t on September 11, 2016, 05:12:32 PM
I posted my certificate from Surin to the UK GOV at Milton Keynes on August 8th. I didn't receive any acknowledgement from them and they reply to any email enquiries with an automated, standard, fob-off email.
Eventually I received an email on August 30th stating that they had processed my certificate and had sent it by courier to the Royal Thai Embassy in London on  August 22nd.
I knew that the RTE will only accept cash payments and postal orders. I therefore had to ask my sister to post a PO for £10 to pay their fee. My full name and the UK GOV  reference number from MK was written  on the back of the PO.
I emailed the RTE several times to enquire about the progress of the document, but received no replies. Eventually I managed after three attempts to get through by telephone to the legalisation office. The person I spoke to informed me, that they did have my legalised documents and the PO. However they would not post them to me in Thailand. I therefore had to again ask my sister to send a large stamped addressed envelope to the RTE. She received the legalised documents yesterday (Sept 10th) at her address in Wales and will post them to me tomorrow.
I guess the next step will be to get them translated and notarised before sending it to the MFA in Bangkok. I don’t really want to travel to Bangkok for this can I get this part done locally?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on June 17, 2017, 02:19:52 PM
Just for info.....

86 year old went to immigration to do his marriage extension.

Income letter from British Embassy showed him 3,000 Baht p.m. Light at current exchange rates.

Whilst you can't "mix & match" income and bank deposits on marriage extensions I really thought that immigration would take a lenient view for an 86 year old - especially as he had 120,000+ Baht in deposits.

Naive of me, the bastards charged him 16,000 Baht .......

Next year we will make sure the income letter fully satisfies the 40k p.m. requirement.

Frankly, at 86 years of age I personally wouldn't bother getting an extension.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Freddy on June 17, 2017, 06:47:30 PM
Jobsworth approach and a way to line pockets. Think I'd report that for all the good it would do. Fine of 16,000 just reduces his available funds so makes no logical sense.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: urleft on June 17, 2017, 09:50:43 PM
I learned the hard way that immigration does not allow leeway (unless you grease their palm).  For example I had 800,000 baht in my account over a 4 month period, and it was in another account for over 6 months before that.  However, KCI said it was only seasoned 85 days, not 90 days as required.  It did not matter I could show the money in another Thailand account for the 5 days before, they would not accept it and invalidated my extension. 

http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7614.msg51901.html#msg51901 (http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7614.msg51901.html#msg51901)

So bottom line from my viewpoint is that if you expect some leeway, have some baht to help immigration be understanding.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: CO-CO on June 18, 2017, 05:12:27 PM
Jobsworth approach and a way to line pockets. Think I'd report that for all the good it would do. Fine of 16,000 just reduces his available funds so makes no logical sense.


I think, as Keith pointed out in #169, Immigration are a law unto themselves and wield the ultimate authority where visas/extensions are concerned.

They were not wrong in either Keith's case or my 86 year old. Nor were they empathetic/sympathetic in each situation.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Woody on August 15, 2017, 08:10:57 PM

...is there an online link to T.M 7 Form, of a link to where we apply online? Guess I am a bit lazy, but it would be great to have a linke here for it...
Cheers!
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: urleft on August 15, 2017, 08:21:11 PM

...is there an online link to T.M 7 Form, of a link to where we apply online? Guess I am a bit lazy, but it would be great to have a linke here for it...
Cheers!


Go here, you can download and fill in via computer:   
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,8136.0.html

However, BI is actually doing the TM 7 as noted in this post (You will need to have the photograph to attach):
http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,9189.0.html

 
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Freddy on June 11, 2018, 08:37:43 AM
Guys. Is this list still current for extension based on marriage or does anyone who has done it recently have any additional info/amendment.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Freddy on June 11, 2018, 08:39:17 AM
 Non Immigrant O  Extension Based on Marriage / Documents needed:

1.
Application form T.M. 7 with one photograph size 4x6 cm.
Visa Fee 1900.-Baht

2.
Copy of passport ( with certified true copy ) 2 copy

3.
Marriage Certificate 2 copy (Copy of marriage registration Papers (Kor Ror.3)

4.
(Tabian Ban)Wife’s house registration 2 copy

5.
Wife’s identity card 2 copy

6.
bank guarantee, signed with the bank manager i pick it up in the bank 1 day before

7.
An updated Bank Book (updated on the same day as the bank guarantee paper),
Showing more than 400.000 (more than 3 month).
OR
Evidence of the male farangs monthly income of 40,000 Baht.
Embassy letter if originating outside Thailand.
Tax reciepts if from within Thailand.

8.
Photos: Front of the house where you live,include you and your wife infront of the house.
Bring photos from your wedding as well, it may also be good.
MAP OF THE HOUSE ADDRESS.

9.
Copy of photo page, visa page and entry/permit to stay stamp page.
Add copy of TM6 departure card. (1 copy is enough) Just sign each copy that is what certification means.

3 to 5 Wife signs all of these and you also sign marriage certificate (it has your name on it).
(only one copy needed)

10.
Need copies of bank book pages also signed. Best to get an update on the day you go to immigration.


Advice:
Please be patient and don't get angry if things get slow or have any further documents the officer requesting you to bring. :)

*Bring all originals you have with you as well just in case the officer would like to see them as well.
 
 sawadi
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on June 11, 2018, 10:50:58 AM
An updated Bank Book (updated on the same day as the bank guarantee paper),
Showing more than 400.000 (more than 3 month).

Incorrect only 2 months for a marriage extension. 3 months is for retirement.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Mutt Daeng on June 11, 2018, 11:31:09 AM
I've never done an extension based on marriage @ Buriram, only @ Kap Cheung before we were transferred to Buriram. KCI wanted a hand drawn map of where you live.  Might be worth having one ready. I used to do a google map and then trace over it so it looked hand drawn. Hope this helps. Sorry just noticed you have listed this in point 8 DOH!
PS They also wanted a photo of me & Mrs MD sitting on the bed with the wardrobe doors open. Also make sure the photo of you & Mrs in front of the house includes the house number. I think I also had to provide a copy of the Kor Ror 2 (ledger entry) from the amphur which could be no more than 6 months old to prove we were still married.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Smithy on June 11, 2018, 12:48:11 PM
I recently read on a Forum  that a poster had just renewed their Yearly Visa Extension on the basis of Working. I know you can get an extension based on Marriage , Retirement and being a Parent of a Child but I have never heard of one based on Working. I have a few friends that work but they all have to leave the country { do border runs } every 90 day's as they are on Non 'O' Visa's. I also have friends that work but are married and have work-permits but they extend their Visa's based on marriage...not because they have a work permit. I have also read that there are even some people that have claimed that they obtained a work permit on their Retirement Visa !!
Does anyone know about this 1 year working Extension and what it entails ( asking for a friend :) ). 
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on June 11, 2018, 01:39:16 PM
I recently read on a Forum  that a poster had just renewed their Yearly Visa Extension on the basis of Working. I know you can get an extension based on Marriage , Retirement and being a Parent of a Child but I have never heard of one based on Working. I have a few friends that work but they all have to leave the country { do border runs } every 90 day's as they are on Non 'O' Visa's. I also have friends that work but are married and have work-permits but they extend their Visa's based on marriage...not because they have a work permit. I have also read that there are even some people that have claimed that they obtained a work permit on their Retirement Visa !!
Does anyone know about this 1 year working Extension and what it entails ( asking for a friend :) ). 

Many many people have extentions based on work. The majority are teachers. The main requirement is a contract between employer and employee. Teaching also requires other documentation such as proof of qualifications and a letter of permission to teach from Teachers' Council of Thailand(if the school is governed by OBEC) . There are a few other things required depending on which immigration office you use.

For jobs outside of teaching you will need to look at the list of jobs that expats are permitted to do in order to be sure you will get a work permit. There is also a minimum wage requirement, which varies according to nationality.

Work permits are no longer issued to those who are here on extensions based on retirement. I too know some e that was issued one in this way but was subsequently told he would have to obtain a new Non B visa in order to obtain an extention ofstay based on work.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Smithy on June 11, 2018, 01:47:53 PM
Thanks Starman  :)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: smoooth2 on June 11, 2018, 03:50:14 PM
Freddy. I finalised my 1 year marriage extension at Buriram Immi 3 weeks ago. All docs accepted first time 6 weeks before that. No probs. Below I've responded to your list, item by item, plus 1 addition.

To save time, my wife and I signed every bit of paper beforehand, even though some docs probably didn't need this. 

1 - TM7 and 4x6cm pic. The IO didn't like my handwriting on TM7, so asked my wife to fill in a new TM7. "Cannot understand husband writing either," was her comment. IO then filled in a TM7 for me, all in Thai handwriting. 5555555  1900 baht.

2 - Passport photo/info page. 2 copies.

3 - KorRor3 marriage certificate. 2 copies.

4 - Wife's Tabian Baan. 2 copies

5 - Wife ID card. 2 copies

6 - Bank letter on same day as Immi visit. Original plus 1 copy

7 - Bank passbook updated on day of Immi visit. Withdraw 100 baht from your account immediately before update.

8 - 3 x 6"x4" photos. 1)You and wife standing next to your house number outside. 2)You and wife sitting on sofa. 3)You and wife sitting on bed. A hand drawn map of directions to your house is also required. 2 copies of all photos and 2 copies of map

9 - Passport current visa or extension page and TM6 departure card. 2 copies of all.

10 - Bank passbook. 2 copies showing all activity for last 2 months.

11 - KorRor2 marriage registration doc extracted from local Amphur registry. Big Boss at Amphur will need to sign and date. Ask for 2 original copies. My wife slipped the Amphur lass 100 baht, but I'm thinking it's probably much less ?
___________________________

Yes, take all originals, just in case. I use 400k in bank method, so don't need income verification letters etc.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on June 11, 2018, 04:06:58 PM
@smooth2

That is the same list we used, we had more documents with us as required this for just in case as it was our 1st extension.

You are correct that the KR2 is cheaper, we only pay 20 THB at the Amphur and it usually only takes 5-10 minutes to get (depending on how many people are waiting).
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: smoooth2 on June 11, 2018, 07:02:40 PM
A little bit of trivia.

The IO told my wife that marriage extension application docs now go to Khon Kaen for approval, not Korat as previously.

Don't know if that also applies to retirement extensions.

Not that it makes any difference to us expats.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on June 11, 2018, 07:08:02 PM
Retirement AFAIK doesn?t go anywhere, it?s a local decision.

Ours (marriage) in January was decided in Korat, so the move must be a recent change, but has the Head office for our region also moved as normally it gets send to the region head office (I believe we are Immigration region 3 ??? (Correct? @Starman )
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on June 11, 2018, 07:57:30 PM
Retirement AFAIK doesn?t go anywhere, it?s a local decision.

Ours (marriage) in January was decided in Korat, so the move must be a recent change, but has the Head office for our region also moved as normally it gets send to the region head office (I believe we are Immigration region 3 ??? (Correct? @Starman )

I believe Issan is division 4.

I am surprised to hear that the head office may have moved to KK as Korat have recently moved into new offices.

Bigger and better apparently.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 11, 2018, 09:27:56 PM
If you meet the requirement of 400k in Thai bank , what is the rationale for wanting to see bank book showing activity?  I?m just guessing it?s for same reason they told me ...  even with embassy affidavit they want to see money being spent here.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on June 12, 2018, 07:31:11 AM
A little bit of trivia.

The IO told my wife that marriage extension application docs now go to Khon Kaen for approval, not Korat as previously.

Don't know if that also applies to retirement extensions.

Not that it makes any difference to us expats.

Need to get this verified as to KK.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Smithy on June 12, 2018, 08:18:48 AM
A little bit of trivia.

The IO told my wife that marriage extension application docs now go to Khon Kaen for approval, not Korat as previously.

Don't know if that also applies to retirement extensions.

Not that it makes any difference to us expats.

Need to get this verified as to KK.

Only if you're anally retentive  ::)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on June 12, 2018, 09:31:48 AM
Division 4 Headquarters moved as of June 7 to KK

It appears they are in Khon Kaen now according to the most recent list of offices posted on the immigration website on June 7th.
Address is shown as "239 Moo 3 Tumbol Samran Amphoe Mueang Khon Kaen Khon Kaen Province 40000" in Thai (google translated to English).
See page 39 of this list. Immigration offices.pdf
Or the announcement here. https://www.immigration.go.th/read?content_id=5b189ee2e7a318f4d6d30486
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Smithy on June 12, 2018, 09:50:17 AM

Division 4 Headquarters moved as of June 7 to KK

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It appears they are in Khon Kaen now according to the most recent list of offices posted on the immigration website on June 7th.
Address is shown as "239 Moo 3 Tumbol Samran Amphoe Mueang Khon Kaen Khon Kaen Province 40000" in Thai (google translated to English).
See page 39 of this list. Immigration offices.pdf
Or the announcement here. https://www.immigration.go.th/read?content_id=5b189ee2e7a318f4d6d30486

Do you have a link for this Thai Visa post......just so we can get this verified  :)

Edit...OK I've found it      https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1042643-division-4-headquarter-location/?tab=comments#comment-13069326
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on November 25, 2018, 10:18:11 AM
Re: Extension based on Marriage Requirement

Does anyone know if the Pictures of you and the wife can be printed (in color @home) or do they have to come from a Photo Shop ?

Thx
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: dimple joe on November 25, 2018, 10:56:13 AM
Prints from PC always been accepted. Got my extension October.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on November 25, 2018, 12:14:50 PM
Thx @Dimple Joe. Appreciated

Another question if I may. Any changes to the paperwork or same stuff as last year ?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: dimple joe on November 26, 2018, 08:44:41 AM
All the same.
I just printed off last years that I had scanned, tippexed and changed the dates etc.
I did get caught with 6 days overstay because I thought wrongly that there was 7 days grace!
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on November 26, 2018, 03:23:35 PM
5555 Smart Move / Good Idea about the Tippex !!!

One final question (I hope 55555). Witnesses necessary or not.

Thx again, really appreciated.

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: dimple joe on November 26, 2018, 04:28:53 PM
Wife needs to be with you that's all.
Not sure what other witnesses you think might be necessary.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on November 26, 2018, 04:41:31 PM
Thx.

I just got my First Extension (in Buriram) just last year, before that my extensions were done in Pattaya and we had to produce a Witness when we did the extension there for the 1st couple of times, and I thought maybe Buriram is the same.

Thx for confirming.

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 18, 2019, 02:50:47 PM
Regarding reply 180, and today?s visit to BI:

I took almost everything as described in the above post to apply for extension based on ?Thai wife.?  Almost because we were married in America not here. Last week went to Lamplaimat office to update KR22. They said no need. KR 2 is updated but not KR22. Ok fine we went with that.

Bank letter and updated bank book at robinsons then off to immigration. It was busy. Took an hour or so to get started.

Problem 1- my application form was old one, fill out new one. No problem.

Problem 2- Kor ror 22 not updated. Told them what we were told but no matter, go upstairs to get the form updated. Lady in the office quite upset because she has had to do several today and insists that it does not need to be done. She will call immigration. Bet that goes well!

I O looked over all documents briefly, but studied the hell out of the bank letter and book. Asked multiple questions. Not real concerned about the rest of the package. Finally concluded bank info was good so began stamping all docs I submitted. I signed some too low on the page so had to sign again within the stamp. No problem!

Only question was are the photos of your house?  Yes. No problem.

Had to sign saying I understand overstay rules. IO completed a biographical form. Then back to the money.

I was given a date to come back with bank statements about one week before end of under consideration. Must be from bank not printed from home computer.

I should be expecting a home visit next week from Immigration.

Everyone very pleasant, and the whole process took just over an hour, not including wait time.

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 19, 2019, 02:08:32 PM
Got a call from Immigration today. They wanted to come visit. Never heard of this happening so quickly. Anyone have recent experience with these visits and can tell me what to expect?  Wife was told yesterday and today that we should take care of the staff and help with fuel money.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on June 19, 2019, 02:49:48 PM
Got a call from Immigration today. They wanted to come visit. Never heard of this happening so quickly. Anyone have recent experience with these visits and can tell me what to expect?  Wife was told yesterday and today that we should take care of the staff and help with fuel money.

Imho you got lucky on getting a quick visit. As for what to expect you usually need a witness (village official). As for fuel money BS unless asked..aside from that offer em coffee, tea or lao khao. :D  There has been a delay of about 60 days from KK on the approval due to overload of application. If this is still ongoing do not panic.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on June 19, 2019, 03:28:41 PM
30 years ago I forked out 25,002 Baht (don't know what the 2 baht was for) for a Residents Permit. Best investment I ever made!  Don't have to go with all this crap every year or the 90 day run around.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 19, 2019, 04:54:24 PM
Nick I?m definitely looking into it but first I must get my Thai language skills to the level that I can answer the interview questions. I?m hoping in a couple years.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 19, 2019, 04:55:58 PM
Thanks gotlost.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Woody on June 20, 2019, 08:52:14 AM
 
I must say too, that I have no problem with the Lam Plai Mat Office regarding any support needed. Always been very helpful to me and my Thai wife...
Also for the Yellow book issue and Thai pink IC they very helpful and gave us good support. Yes, it might take some time to gather the documents etc., but in the end its also good as I intend to stay here for long - and do not mind playing by the rules...

... just be patient :-)

Cheers
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Freddy on June 20, 2019, 09:51:49 AM
We had a home visit last year. village Headman was required to be present. I wasn?t asked for fuel money. They didn?t check inside our house. Just sat in the garden. Headman signed a couple of forms. I wasn?t asked anything. From what I gathered they simply asked the headman if I was living here and was I a good man!!!!
Still here so I guess I passed.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 20, 2019, 10:23:21 AM
Thanks Freddy
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: dundeemk6 on June 20, 2019, 10:26:04 AM
Got a call from Immigration today. They wanted to come visit. Never heard of this happening so quickly. Anyone have recent experience with these visits and can tell me what to expect?  Wife was told yesterday and today that we should take care of the staff and help with fuel money.

DD : next time you ask them fuel money when you have to drive to their office as they do, so it must be a "gentlemens rule" ... the forking leeches !!!!
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 20, 2019, 03:15:25 PM
Had the visit. Documents completed by immigration and signed by witnesses, whole new set of photos taken, very pleasant to talk with. Absolutely no problem.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Woody on June 20, 2019, 03:24:29 PM
We had a home visit last year. village Headman was required to be present. I wasn?t asked for fuel money. They didn?t check inside our house. Just sat in the garden. Headman signed a couple of forms. I wasn?t asked anything. From what I gathered they simply asked the headman if I was living here and was I a good man!!!!
Still here so I guess I passed.

... You were soooo lucky Freddy!   :-)  :-)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on June 20, 2019, 07:20:47 PM
Had the visit. Documents completed by immigration and signed by witnesses, whole new set of photos taken, very pleasant to talk with. Absolutely no problem.

You have enough lao khao?  party9 congrats
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 22, 2019, 02:47:49 PM
Not any more!
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Mutt Daeng on July 03, 2019, 06:15:16 PM
When I did my last 90 day report at BI, I asked about the requirements for an extension of stay based on marriage. I was given 2 very similar forms that I have never seen before along with a few others that I recognise. My last extension based on marriage was 2014 at Kap Choeng Immigration. The IO said that I had to complete one form and Mrs MD had to complete the other. Can anyone shed any light as to what the forms (both in Thai only) are and what info they are requesting. Link shows the one that I have to complete. Thanks in advance.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1108509-extend-permit-to-stay-by-1-year-based-on-marriage-new-forms/?tab=comments#comment-14284540 (https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1108509-extend-permit-to-stay-by-1-year-based-on-marriage-new-forms/?tab=comments#comment-14284540)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 04, 2019, 07:07:30 AM
When I did my last 90 day report at BI, I asked about the requirements for an extension of stay based on marriage. I was given 2 very similar forms that I have never seen before along with a few others that I recognise. My last extension based on marriage was 2014 at Kap Choeng Immigration. The IO said that I had to complete one form and Mrs MD had to complete the other. Can anyone shed any light as to what the forms (both in Thai only) are and what info they are requesting. Link shows the one that I have to complete. Thanks in advance.

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1108509-extend-permit-to-stay-by-1-year-based-on-marriage-new-forms/?tab=comments#comment-14284540 (https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1108509-extend-permit-to-stay-by-1-year-based-on-marriage-new-forms/?tab=comments#comment-14284540)

They are requesting basically the same info in Thai from your wife that you provided in english.This is a standard immigration requirement nation wide for marriage extension and will be done every year. Just had an individual get his under consideration approval back in 5 weeks at SI. Khon Khaen has been taking up to 8 weeks for the approval.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on July 04, 2019, 07:15:16 AM
Seems totally illogical to me that Immigration is there to deal with foreigners entering or staying in Thailand, yet the forms they require completing by said foriegners are written in Thai script.  However, not really surprising as there is not much logic applied  to anything much here in Thailand.

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 04, 2019, 07:24:35 AM
Seems totally illogical to me that Immigration is there to deal with foreigners entering or staying in Thailand, yet the forms they require completing by said foriegners are written in Thai script.  However, not really surprising as there is not much logic applied  to anything much here in Thailand.

Another Thai bashing. :o Do you ever have anything positive to add. :P
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on July 04, 2019, 08:19:35 AM
I thought my comment would perhaps be accepted as positive.  Makes total sense to me if dealing with foreigners, to provide them with information in their native language!. Illogical if you don't.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 04, 2019, 08:37:53 AM
I thought my comment would perhaps be accepted as positive.  Makes total sense to me if dealing with foreigners, to provide them with information in their native language!. Illogical if you don't.

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: jivvy on July 04, 2019, 08:43:01 AM
I thought my comment would perhaps be accepted as positive.  Makes total sense to me if dealing with foreigners, to provide them with information in their native language!. Illogical if you don't.
So how many 'native ' languages should they provide the forms in?
English
German
French
Swahili
Etc.
We are in Thailand, if we do not understand we can always get them translated by our Thai wives
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 04, 2019, 09:43:17 AM
Seems totally illogical to me that Immigration is there to deal with foreigners entering or staying in Thailand, yet the forms they require completing by said foriegners are written in Thai script.  However, not really surprising as there is not much logic applied  to anything much here in Thailand.



I agree that the forms being in Thai is a non starter. The forms for the extensions are in Thai and English so why not the others?

I thought my comment would perhaps be accepted as positive.  Makes total sense to me if dealing with foreigners, to provide them with information in their native language!. Illogical if you don't.
So how many 'native ' languages should they provide the forms in?
English
German
French
Swahili
Etc.
We are in Thailand, if we do not understand we can always get them translated by our Thai wives

I would think, hope, that most expats here would have a better grasp of English than their wives. I have been in immigration a few times and have heard an expats wife trying to explain what was happening. The guy didn't have a chance.

Therefore I believe it would be sufficient to have the forms in Thai and English.

If there is that much of a problem then why not learn to speak and read Thai, just as I did? That then eradicates the need to depend on your wife.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 04, 2019, 10:31:57 AM
Seems totally illogical to me that Immigration is there to deal with foreigners entering or staying in Thailand, yet the forms they require completing by said foriegners are written in Thai script.  However, not really surprising as there is not much logic applied  to anything much here in Thailand.

Another Thai bashing. :o Do you ever have anything positive to add. :P
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on July 04, 2019, 12:39:32 PM
If there is that much of a problem then why not learn to speak and read Thai, just as I did? That then eradicates the need to depend on your wife.
I agree 100%. In my home country having to deal with the public and encountering folks who could not speak the language was frustrating. Now it?s me who can not.

My wife tries to teach me phrases and as I repeat them exactly as she said it she says ?no? and repeats exactly what I just said which does not end well for either of us.

I go to a retail shop and ask for something in Thai and get a response of sorry I don?t speak English. FFS

Are there any real ?Thai as second language ? courses available say at the university? 

I?ve considered going to the local school to ask if I can help in any way and sit in with the first year students to try and learn but because of many issues with my house build and unfinished projects I have not made the time to do this. Not to mention implications with visa and work permit.

It?s becoming quite frustrating for me. I?m not ready to sit home and watch television. I want to be able to communicate effectively.

Off topic I know, done venting. Thanks.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 04, 2019, 12:51:25 PM
If there is that much of a problem then why not learn to speak and read Thai, just as I did? That then eradicates the need to depend on your wife.
I agree 100%. In my home country having to deal with the public and encountering folks who could not speak the language was frustrating. Now it?s me who can not.

My wife tries to teach me phrases and as I repeat them exactly as she said it she says ?no? and repeats exactly what I just said which does not end well for either of us.

I go to a retail shop and ask for something in Thai and get a response of sorry I don?t speak English. FFS

Are there any real ?Thai as second language ? courses available say at the university? 

I?ve considered going to the local school to ask if I can help in any way and sit in with the first year students to try and learn but because of many issues with my house build and unfinished projects I have not made the time to do this. Not to mention implications with visa and work permit.

It?s becoming quite frustrating for me. I?m not ready to sit home and watch television. I want to be able to communicate effectively.

Off topic I know, done venting. Thanks.

Sounds like you are having problems with tones. No amount of study will help with that if you don't speak often.

Just keep practicing with your wife, family and Thai friends. It will soon become easier to get the right tones.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Smithy on July 04, 2019, 01:56:31 PM
Seems totally illogical to me that Immigration is there to deal with foreigners entering or staying in Thailand, yet the forms they require completing by said foriegners are written in Thai script.  However, not really surprising as there is not much logic applied  to anything much here in Thailand.

Every/Any form I have ever been asked to fill in from Thai Immigration has always had an English Translation .My guess is that the Two Forms Mutt Daeng has been given are for his Thai Wife to fill in and maybe he has to sign one of them

Here is a Visa Form Directory taken from the Royal Thai Immigration Department site which shows most of the forms you would ever need .......all have English translations on them. ( apart for the Visa on Arrival form for Chinese Nationals  :biggrin: )

https://immigrationbangkok.com/thailand-immigration-forms/

As jivvy has pointed out " how many 'native ' languages should they provide the forms in ? "

What would be acceptable to you PN ???

We who are English speakers/writers are taken care of by Thai Immigration .Good job you can speak and write English PN , because if you could only read and write Gaelic then you would have a " fadhb "    spot1
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 04, 2019, 02:20:28 PM
Seems totally illogical to me that Immigration is there to deal with foreigners entering or staying in Thailand, yet the forms they require completing by said foriegners are written in Thai script.  However, not really surprising as there is not much logic applied  to anything much here in Thailand.

Another Thai bashing. :o Do you ever have anything positive to add. :P

(https://stronglang.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/g6857_u3848_sir_winston_churchill.jpg)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Gungchang on July 04, 2019, 04:52:42 PM
My wife and I visited Buriram Immigration today. We paused to get a letter and statement from the bank. My wife had forms I'd never seen before and she got help, for a price, filling them out. I later learned that she had been asked to pay more than 1900 for the visa. We're both pondering going back to 90 day border bounces.

Home visit is next. 2,000 in the envelope?

I return next month with another letter and statement from the bank.

I return in eight weeks for the extension.  I remember someone posting that Khon Kaen takes up to eight weeks to approve an application. That appears to be true.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Mutt Daeng on July 04, 2019, 09:29:55 PM
Seems totally illogical to me that Immigration is there to deal with foreigners entering or staying in Thailand, yet the forms they require completing by said foriegners are written in Thai script.  However, not really surprising as there is not much logic applied  to anything much here in Thailand.

Every/Any form I have ever been asked to fill in from Thai Immigration has always had an English Translation .My guess is that the Two Forms Mutt Daeng has been given are for his Thai Wife to fill in and maybe he has to sign one of them

Here is a Visa Form Directory taken from the Royal Thai Immigration Department site which shows most of the forms you would ever need .......all have English translations on them. ( apart for the Visa on Arrival form for Chinese Nationals  :biggrin: )

https://immigrationbangkok.com/thailand-immigration-forms/

As jivvy has pointed out " how many 'native ' languages should they provide the forms in ? "

What would be acceptable to you PN ???

We who are English speakers/writers are taken care of by Thai Immigration .Good job you can speak and write English PN , because if you could only read and write Gaelic then you would have a " fadhb "    spot1
The IO specifically said that the form I posted in the OP was for me to fill in and the other one is for she-who-must-be-obeyed to fill in.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Mutt Daeng on July 04, 2019, 09:35:51 PM
Seems totally illogical to me that Immigration is there to deal with foreigners entering or staying in Thailand, yet the forms they require completing by said foriegners are written in Thai script.  However, not really surprising as there is not much logic applied  to anything much here in Thailand.

Every/Any form I have ever been asked to fill in from Thai Immigration has always had an English Translation .My guess is that the Two Forms Mutt Daeng has been given are for his Thai Wife to fill in and maybe he has to sign one of them

Here is a Visa Form Directory taken from the Royal Thai Immigration Department site which shows most of the forms you would ever need .......all have English translations on them. ( apart for the Visa on Arrival form for Chinese Nationals  :biggrin: )

https://immigrationbangkok.com/thailand-immigration-forms/

As jivvy has pointed out " how many 'native ' languages should they provide the forms in ? "

What would be acceptable to you PN ???

We who are English speakers/writers are taken care of by Thai Immigration .Good job you can speak and write English PN , because if you could only read and write Gaelic then you would have a " fadhb "    spot1
The site above is NOT an official Thai immigration website.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Smithy on July 04, 2019, 11:48:18 PM

The site above is NOT an official Thai immigration website.
Correct...as I said " they are taken from the Royal Thai Immigration Department site " and added to the site I posted   :)

It even says " Visa Forms for Download
For your convenience we have made available this library of official forms from the Royal Thai Immigration Department. "
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Smithy on July 04, 2019, 11:50:08 PM
The IO specifically said that the form I posted in the OP was for me to fill in and the other one is for she-who-must-be-obeyed to fill in.

Are there Numbers at the top of the forms you were given ?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Mutt Daeng on July 05, 2019, 06:42:47 AM
The IO specifically said that the form I posted in the OP was for me to fill in and the other one is for she-who-must-be-obeyed to fill in.

Are there Numbers at the top of the forms you were given ?
No, but there is a box in the top right of each form with Thai script in it.
See attachments
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Mutt Daeng on July 05, 2019, 07:59:22 AM
Google translate says the lower image contains the text "thai people", but can't figure out what the upper image contains.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on July 05, 2019, 08:49:41 AM
I believe but also not 100% sure, it says Alien (foreigner)

คนต่างด้าว

But Starman will know for sure.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 05, 2019, 09:19:49 AM
Check with BI at SI there is a pac of about 8 pages 4 of which are in Thai. The Thai only forms have no form number on them. I have seen these same forms at other immigration offices. This pac of forms can be picked up and taken home so you and your wife can fill them out in peace. I have not seen these Thai forms on any government site..but you never know. As I said the information on the Thai only forum is the same as is asked of the foreigner.  If somebody is at immigration pick up the pac and you can post on BE.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 05, 2019, 10:06:01 AM
Check with BI at SI there is a pac of about 8 pages 4 of which are in Thai. The Thai only forms have no form number on them. I have seen these same forms at other immigration offices. This pac of forms can be picked up and taken home so you and your wife can fill them out in peace. I have not seen these Thai forms on any government site..but you never know. As I said the information on the Thai only forum is the same as is asked of the foreigner.  If somebody is at immigration pick up the pac and you can post on BE.

A good idea in theory but not so much in reality.

I have had a quick perusal of the forms and I must say that I am not too sure of how many expats and their wives would be able to go through this and understand the whole picture. Some of the information is quite intense and would require at least one of the couple to have a vast understanding of both Thai and the native language of the expat.

This takes us back to PrakhonchaiNick's perfectly plausible suggestion that forms from immigration should be in Thai and English.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on July 05, 2019, 10:26:13 AM
 :D How about Swahili. :o
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 05, 2019, 11:59:11 AM
:D How about Swahili. :o

Good idea.It would be easier to understand than GLenglish.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 05, 2019, 11:59:51 AM
I believe but also not 100% sure, it says Alien (foreigner)

คนต่างด้าว

But Starman will know for sure.


Looks that way @Iammike.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Smithy on July 05, 2019, 04:24:35 PM
I think these new forms from BI are to test whether the Farang/Thai couples really do love one another.

Any weak relationships could easily be broken whilst attempting to fill them in ( apparently )  :biggrin:  :biggrin: :biggrin:

Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Gerry on July 05, 2019, 06:45:44 PM
I think these new forms from BI are to test whether the Farang/Thai couples really do love one another.

Any weak relationships could easily be broken whilst attempting to fill them in ( apparently )  :biggrin:  :biggrin: :biggrin:

That's funny.

I know form filling can be a pain in the rear end from time to time but hardly relationship breaking. I wish mine and my wife's joint understanding of Thai officialdom was better sometimes. It can be difficult but we get by.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Mutt Daeng on July 05, 2019, 07:08:34 PM
I believe but also not 100% sure, it says Alien (foreigner)

คนต่างด้าว

But Starman will know for sure.


Looks that way @Iammike.
I'm confused. The thai script posted by @Iammike does translate to Alien. Not sure where that came from though, since it is not the thai script that's on the top right of the form I posted.
Mrs. MD says it doesn't make sense, that it's just letters of the Thai alphabet
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on July 05, 2019, 07:38:05 PM
I believe but also not 100% sure, it says Alien (foreigner)

คนต่างด้าว

But Starman will know for sure.


Looks that way @Iammike.
I'm confused. The thai script posted by @Iammike does translate to Alien. Not sure where that came from though, since it is not the thai script that's on the top right of the form I posted.
Mrs. MD says it doesn't make sense, that it's just letters of the Thai alphabet

Imho what you posted is an abbreviation, and the only thing I could make of it is the Thai word for alien, also the Thai word I posted has all 3 of the letters.

If you want to know for sure, then you have to ask Immigration ;)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Mutt Daeng on July 05, 2019, 09:04:22 PM
OK Mike Thanks for the clarification
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: nanglong218 on July 05, 2019, 10:33:39 PM
Why delve so deeply into the paperwork details?  Mrs 218 and I turned up at Buriram IO at lunchtime having been delayed waiting for the bank letter. Ubonjoe supplied the list of docs needed plus a call earlier informed us a new ROR was needed.  We were seen immediately by the guy who sits at the middle desk.  What a saint he is, he sorted everything with humour and civility. We are lucky when compared to some of the horror stories from BKK or CM. 
I suggest you do the homework, get your docs and photos correct and they'll help you through.
It's just an annual chore.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 05, 2019, 11:23:11 PM
Why delve so deeply into the paperwork details?  Mrs 218 and I turned up at Buriram IO at lunchtime having been delayed waiting for the bank letter. Ubonjoe supplied the list of docs needed plus a call earlier informed us a new ROR was needed.  We were seen immediately by the guy who sits at the middle desk.  What a saint he is, he sorted everything with humour and civility. We are lucky when compared to some of the horror stories from BKK or CM. 
I suggest you do the homework, get your docs and photos correct and they'll help you through.
It's just an annual chore.

That's good news. Maybe you could take the time to let us know how you completed the form that Mutt Daeng posted. There are a lot of questions on there. Did you actually have to write your parents names? Seems to be a rather strange requirement but is there.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on July 06, 2019, 08:40:04 AM
When I went 3 weeks ago for extension the IO asked a few questions on the form had me write in parents names and sign the form. If I recall correctly only one form was filled in but not every question answered. Both signed it and done.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: nanglong218 on July 06, 2019, 09:30:09 AM
I always leave that main form until we get to the office. In the past we've filled the downloaded form, presented it, and had it binned because it's last years.  This year they wanted a new ROR which was easy because we married at Chamni.  The surprise was being barred from access to my 400k until approval when I must go through the bank procedure again.  Minor inconvenience, I had to get the stepkids to send over cash to get us through.
So Deputy, do they want to see your bank book before they stamp your passport?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Starman on July 06, 2019, 09:36:27 AM
When I went 3 weeks ago for extension the IO asked a few questions on the form had me write in parents names and sign the form. If I recall correctly only one form was filled in but not every question answered. Both signed it and done.

This just goes to show that things are not always as simple as they seem. 3 posters here and all with different requirements.

I always leave that main form until we get to the office. In the past we've filled the downloaded form, presented it, and had it binned because it's last years.  This year they wanted a new ROR which was easy because we married at Chamni.  The surprise was being barred from access to my 400k until approval when I must go through the bank procedure again.  Minor inconvenience, I had to get the stepkids to send over cash to get us through.
So Deputy, do they want to see your bank book before they stamp your passport?


The form that Mutt Daeng posted and, seemingly, the form that DeputyDavid "answered a few questions " on is not the main form. Did you need to fill in the form that Mutt Daeng posted?

When you say "ROR" do you mean "KR2", the entry on the marriage register?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on July 06, 2019, 11:40:23 AM
Starman I do not recall exactly. I do remember that the IO started the form after he sent my wife upstairs to update the marriage certificate. He probably realized it was useless to give it to me as it was completely in Thai and might as well make use of the time as everything else was done.

Yes I was given an appointment to bring updated bank book and statement from the account. Only just under 3 weeks from original application date so not sure I will get approval stamp at that time or will get another appointment. End of my current extension is July 16 but he wants banking update July 11.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: pagan1 on March 07, 2020, 07:01:32 AM
Went into Buriram yesterday to process my extension at the Main office. Once again Buriram Immigration did a great job and hassle free. I had expected the office to be busy on a Friday afternoon but there was nobody waiting when we arrived. One woman went through all my documents to check I had everything. then passed to  girl who completed the TM 7 and associated docs and then off to the guy who stamped everything, got me to sign the docs and completed the application. All done and dusted in 45 mins.
A couple of things I noted which may be of interest to those about to apply for an extension.
The format of the letter from Kasikorn Bank has changed. This may have been in place for some time and no issue / comment from IO
Due to a cock up in updating my bank book I got a statement from the bank. Statement provided no problem (100B). IO understood the issue and no problem using statement.
Unable to obtain updated KP22 from the Registrars office upstairs and had to nip into town to get a copy. Advised that the computer system (??) has not been working for several weeks at the Main building.
Hats off to Buriram Immigration for a great service and a job well done. I frequently fail to understand the complaining idiots who can not follow simple requirements and complain about visa / extension processes. Like any immigration office the world over if you have all the paperwork and make their job easy your application will be routine.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 03, 2020, 09:39:50 AM
I wonder if the system is up and running in the office upstairs from immigration to get updated marriage certificate?  Any real recent experience with this?  Checking to see if I should just go to Amphur to be on safe side. Thanks for any reply.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: dundeemk6 on May 03, 2020, 02:40:56 PM
DD : you can get a copy from your marriage certificate in any amphur all over Thailand.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on May 03, 2020, 03:07:14 PM
DD : you can get a copy from your marriage certificate in any amphur all over Thailand.

I think he knows, but the issue is that at some Amphurs there is a Long line waiting and so it's easier at the Immigration Building doing it the same time when visiting Immigration

And also the Kr2 requirement at Buriram Immigration is that it can be a max of 1 day old. There used to be a same day requirement but they seem to have dropped that as it was difficult time-wise to do a Amphur visit and then the Immigration on the same day.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 03, 2020, 03:30:39 PM
Mike, exactly. Between getting the bank letter in the morning as well as half a day at the amphur there may not be enough hours in the day. Just trying to streamline things a bit.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Wozza on May 04, 2020, 09:38:54 PM
Went to the ampur 3 weeks  ago and no one was waiting , in and out less than in 10 minutes
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Wozza on May 04, 2020, 09:44:23 PM
after the Ampur ,next stop the bank then immigration (stadium) 20 minutes and a home visit the same day , picked up the extension last Friday
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: pagan1 on May 05, 2020, 06:51:32 AM
If you are unable to get the KP 2  at the office on the floor above the Main Immigration Office then you can obtain one from the Ampur office in Buriram. Its just a 10 min drive and twice we have been in and out in less than 10 mins. Location is the  City Office next to the Provincial  Court
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 05, 2020, 01:35:57 PM
Wozza nice job. Wasn?t lamplaimat by chance was it?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 05, 2020, 01:37:45 PM
If you are unable to get the KP 2  at the office on the floor above the Main Immigration Office then you can obtain one from the Ampur office in Buriram. Its just a 10 min drive and twice we have been in and out in less than 10 mins. Location is the  City Office next to the Provincial  Court

Appreciate that thank you. That might just be the best bet anyway!
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Wozza on May 10, 2020, 04:06:50 PM
Wozza nice job. Wasn?t lamplaimat by chance was it?

It was Immigration at the Stadium and Buriram Amphur , Bangkok Bank Robinsons branch
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 10, 2020, 04:36:45 PM
Looks pretty much like the route I?ll be taking. Went to bank a couple days ago in the city. It was so busy, I think even the late opening time at Robinson and the quick service is well worth the trip there.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 14, 2020, 02:55:21 PM
Successfully obtained under consideration stamp for extension based on Thai Wife. Went to the bank (excellent staff at Krungsri in Robinson?s), then to Amphur in Buriram city for the updated marriage certificate which took only a few minutes. Power went out just as the document finished printing.  Lol. Got to immigration office by the stadium just in time for lunch!  Oh well. We had lunch too and when we got back all the documents we provided were stamped and ready for signature. About an hour spent at the office, a good portion of which was spent chatting with the IO. Only one other customer while we were there.

Thanks for the advice regarding using Amphur in Buriram city. That worked out well.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Wozza on May 14, 2020, 03:27:04 PM
DD ,What did you pay? And will you get a visit from them at your home ?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 14, 2020, 04:26:04 PM
I paid 1900. That is only for the extension. I will get a re-entry stamp when I collect the approved extension stamp so they will both expire at the same time. The person that was just finishing up getting his first extension based on Thai wife was told he was definitely getting a visit. I asked and was told probably not this year as it is not my first extension. It is random the IO said.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Wozza on May 14, 2020, 09:52:46 PM
Thanks DD I paid a wee bit more than that and had the home visit on the same day . 3 weeks later came in for the stamp
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on May 15, 2020, 02:53:15 PM
Purely out of curiosity, do they still charge/expect to be paid "petrol money" for the home visit?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Wozza on May 15, 2020, 06:21:07 PM
Well they got me , no mention of petrol money charged me 6000 THB with a 1900 receipt and they came to the house the same day, And the "nice" IO man said don't have to pay them at your house , im sure it would have been split, 2100 for him and 1000 each for the home invaders.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Gerry on May 15, 2020, 08:41:13 PM
Well they got me , no mention of petrol money charged me 6000 THB with a 1900 receipt and they came to the house the same day, And the "nice" IO man said don't have to pay them at your house , im sure it would have been split, 2100 for him and 1000 each for the home invaders.

To coin a phrase, "you had the "s$#t ripped out of you."

Sadly this may long continue. I have heard that immigration keep a list of "payments" they have received. Basically so that they know who to rip off next time too.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Wozza on May 15, 2020, 10:01:44 PM
I certainly did Olly , And I have a list that tells me who not to pay next time.Once bitten as they say in the classics
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: gotlost on May 16, 2020, 07:10:08 AM
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Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: pagan1 on May 16, 2020, 07:16:41 AM
In my experience the Stadium Immigration Office is best avoided unless you are seeking additional services (and happy to pay) or just doing a 90 day.
Home visit price was B2000 a couple of years ago along with the sales patter of ' It's a one time payment'.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Smithy on May 16, 2020, 08:51:49 AM
Well they got me , no mention of petrol money charged me 6000 THB with a 1900 receipt and they came to the house the same day, And the "nice" IO man said don't have to pay them at your house , im sure it would have been split, 2100 for him and 1000 each for the home invaders.

Many things are lost in translation, though some will call you a sucker for paying for your Home Visit ( as this is free and you shouldn't need to pay )  they well may have said we could come today but it will cost you ?...Just like the land office where you can wait ages for them to come or you pay to jump the queue and they come the next day.
Like I have posted before I sponsored cold drinks at the Surin Imm Office but there was no pressure for me to oblige. Many do feel obliged when asked to pay ( tea money ) because they feel they are at the mercy of the IO's , the more that pay the more they will ask,if you feel you are being over paid just ask for a receipt showing all charges. The will stop them in their track but be prepared for a uncomfortable atmosphere whilst they try and save face  ::)
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: pagan1 on May 16, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
...............'but be prepared for a uncomfortable atmosphere whilst they try and save face'

Yep .....he took the huff big style
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: pagan1 on February 21, 2021, 03:04:28 PM
Once again I can not fault  Buriram Immigration Office in processing my marriage extension last week. At one stage I thought he would be completed in less than 20 minutes but I forgot I needed to sign all the papers while he updated the ledger book. Anyway all done in less than 30 mins and real easy for me.
As ever I learnt a couple of new things.
Kasikorn Bank were on the ball as usual. Updated bankbook, statement and letter done & dusted in 20 mins. However I noted that the letter format has changed yet again and looks like a short table.
Normally we get the KP22 (confirmation of marriage) in Buriram and it takes 10 mins. However on Friday there was a huge queue. They used to do it on the floor above the IO but when we went to enquire were told go to the Stadium. It turns out next to the stadium IO (KFC) here is an office that does ID cards, KP2 (22) etc. Debated whether to make the extension at the Stadium office but opted to head back up to the Main IO.
I went on a Friday afternoon and it was pretty quiet. No queue and only a couple of people doing their 90 day reports.
I note that my 'Under consideration period' is dated for 1 month after my current extension expires not 1 month from submission.
Hope the information above is of help to those scheduled to do their extension in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: iammike on February 21, 2021, 05:43:48 PM
Did the same last month, and indeed it's 30 days from date current extension expires which in my case was 40+ days but it came back early and it was only 34 days. :biggrin:

Also the good thing is that they reset the 90 days report date with your new extension so the first day when you get your "Final Stamp" is when your 90 day report starts counting again. (89 days from that date you have to report again ;) )
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: blackcow on February 21, 2021, 08:37:29 PM
Did mine at Korat last week. No problems but still a long day. Had to sit out the lunch time thing.
My fault as me and the wife needed a replacement birth Cert for the daughter so we where behind the eight ball.
Never mind, the staff here are quite good and honestly, no BS.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: jos on December 01, 2023, 06:09:05 PM
question, and apologies if this has been asked before, what is the benefit of having a thai marriage visa compared to the normal non immigrant category O
Both require 90 day reporting
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on December 01, 2023, 06:17:07 PM
All permissions to stay in Thailand whether a marriage or retirement extension require 90 day reporting

The only exception, as far as I am aware, is PERMANENT RESIDENCY
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Gerry on December 01, 2023, 08:39:45 PM
question, and apologies if this has been asked before, what is the benefit of having a thai marriage visa compared to the normal non immigrant category O
Both require 90 day reporting

Are you talking about tge difference between marriage and retirement? Both need an O visa to start.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: jos on December 02, 2023, 03:42:01 AM
thanks for the reply, I do understand that I need an O visa to start, it then can be converted into a one year marriage visa which requires 90 day reporting, alternatively, the non O visa can be extended every 90 days.
So is there a benefit in the conversion to marrigae visa?
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Gerry on December 02, 2023, 12:48:38 PM
thanks for the reply, I do understand that I need an O visa to start, it then can be converted into a one year marriage visa which requires 90 day reporting, alternatively, the non O visa can be extended every 90 days.
So is there a benefit in the conversion to marrigae visa?

You seem confused.

A Non O can be extended for two reasons. Retirement or marriage. You can't just extend a Non O as you said. You need a reason and documents and money in the bank.

Are you thinking of a non O you get where you leave the country every 90 days?

There was a long thread about this on Asean Now last week.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: jos on December 08, 2023, 03:07:44 AM
thanks Gerry, it slowly starts to become clearer and clearer. It seems that the conversion process from a Non-Immigrant Visa "O" to a marriage visa is relatively straight forward.
There must be a well worn path leading to the IO...hi
Regards
Jos
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Gerry on December 08, 2023, 09:27:22 AM
thanks Gerry, it slowly starts to become clearer and clearer. It seems that the conversion process from a Non-Immigrant Visa "O" to a marriage visa is relatively straight forward.
There must be a well worn path leading to the IO...hi
Regards
Jos

Here's how I did it and the terminology seems to be.

I got a Non O visa based on being married from a Thai consulate. I entered Thailand and got 90 days stay. In the last 30 days I then went to Buriram immigration and got a 1 year extension. I've never heard it called convertion. It's the same Non O but the permission to stay is extended to 1 year.

Lots of documents required plus 400k baht in the bank for 2 months before I went to immigration. Then you must go back to immigration after about 1 month to get the stamp in your passport.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: jos on December 08, 2023, 10:27:48 AM
thanks Gerry, all clear
Jos
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: DeputyDavid on December 29, 2023, 12:58:20 PM
There is no 90 day reporting for LTR visa.  You must report yearly unless you have crossed the border in the year.  As of April when I got mine, they do not allow the yearly reporting at any office other than the one in BKK that issues the LTR, but they insisted they will get the local offices up and running within the next year or so.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: Gerry on December 29, 2023, 06:13:36 PM
There is no 90 day reporting for LTR visa.  You must report yearly unless you have crossed the border in the year.  As of April when I got mine, they do not allow the yearly reporting at any office other than the one in BKK that issues the LTR, but they insisted they will get the local offices up and running within the next year or so.

You are the first person I know who has obtained an LTR.

Could you post the application process, please?

Maybe start a new topic.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Non Immigrant O Extension Based on Marriage
Post by: mudcat on January 08, 2024, 09:27:24 AM
I received my LTR-WP (Long Term Resident - Wealthy Pensioner) visa at the end of October - I have not been back to the Immigration Office at Chang Arena since September when I transferred my extension of stay to my new passport and did my last 90-day report. 

The principal benefits to me are no contact with local immigration (1-year report), 10-years of validity (need to re-qualify at 5-years) and exemption from taxes on remitted funds from overseas (this may be important depending on your country of origin's tax treaty with Thailand - as a U.S. citizen with Social Security and a government pension I already was exempt [I think]).

The LTR visas are administered by BOI (Board of Investment  https://ltr.boi.go.th/).  Before getting your hopes up please understand that the requirements are designed to benefit Thailand by easing immigration rules for a small set of desired long term residents. 

The rules differ for each class, but for most of us up country expats would be applying for the same visa I received which requires a considerable amount of 'Passive" income (e.g. pensions, annuities, rental property, etc.) - the thresholds are USD80,000 per year for most, or USD 40,000 for those who are currently or are willing to invest ~USD250,000 into Thailand (and, no the house you built for your family will not count as you cannot not own it).  Additionally you need to demonstrate how you will pay for your health care (USD50,000 annual benefit) or show USD 100,000 in liquid assets (I used my U.S. Roth IRA, most need to show health insurance, but foreign policies are accepted unlike for the OA extensions). 

The only other possibilities for up-country folk is one is working in a highly skilled position that is designated by BOI as needed by Thailand (e.g. one of the pharmaceutical or high-tech companies in Korat) - for these people the Thai Income Tax is capped at 17%.

Worth taking a look at BOI's website and see if you believe you may qualify under one of the categories of visa they offer - if so I consider it a no brainer to apply to see if you really qualify as there is no cost until you are approved and travel to Bangkok to get the Visa and extension of stay stamped into your passport.