Buriram Expats
Buriram Province - General Category => Isaan Thai Visa => Topic started by: Graham1 on July 29, 2014, 07:15:04 PM
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Thaivisa news that all immigrants mustcarry ID card :
and Hua Hin Municipality.
HUA HIN: -- [thaivisa.com] Hua Hin Immigration is from today enforcing the existing rule that foreigners are required to carry a valid photo ID at all times.
At a meeting with Hua Hin Immigration and municipality, Thaivisa.com was informed of the news about the immediate enforcement regarding the requirements for foreigners - both tourists and expats - to carry valid photo ID at all times. Thaivisa has learned that Immigration is likely to enforce this nationwide.
Valid ID's are:
- Thai Drivers Licence
- Passport original
- Copy of passport verified and stamped by Hua Hin Immigration
Penalty:
Failure to carry valid ID as above is 2,000 Baht.
24-hour reporting
Hua Hin Immigration is from today also enforcing the requirements that you and your landlord (condominium owner, house owner etc) must report to Immigration within 24 hours of moving in to a new address. On your arrival card you already reported your place of stay, and if that changes you need to visit Immigration and report your new address. This applies to both tourists and expats.
Here are the two Immigration forms to be used, they can be downloaded from Thaivisa here:
Here is the TM28 form that must be used from now in Hua Hin, and nationwide if/when enforced:
http://www.thaivisa....-over-24-hours/
There is also another reporting obligation, and this applies when a foreigner visits another province and stays for more than 48 hours. In that case the reporting of the new address must be provided to the police, or the immigration, within 48 hours.
Here is the form to be used by house master or owner or possessor of the residence where foreigners reside:
http://www.thaivisa....iens-have-stay/
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Only applies to Hua Hin. party11
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Great,getting more like communist China everyday.
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This looks more like a relaxation to me, before we had to have our passport with us at all times. Now you're ok with your DL or other document with your photo. Which we all have, right guys? In Switzerland, if they don't like your face and you have no valid ID, you may find yourself in chokey for 24 hours in order for them to get proof of your identity. Seems fair enough to me. So Thailand is getting more like Switzerland every day? Ha, ha, you wish it was.
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Cooked.I'm not talking about the part of the statement you mention above(except I wont carry my passport everywhere) I mean't that if you go somewhere for say a holiday,for more then 48 hours,you have to report your location?? So you go away for 2 weeks and spend 3 or 4 days here and there,you have to report EVERYTIME it's more then 48 hours,that's big brother if I ever seen it.
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Cooked.I'm not talking about the part of the statement you mention above(except I wont carry my passport everywhere) I mean't that if you go somewhere for say a holiday,for more then 48 hours,you have to report your location?? So you go away for 2 weeks and spend 3 or 4 days here and there,you have to report EVERYTIME it's more then 48 hours,that's big brother if I ever seen it.
If, like me, you spend your time in a hotel, private house or a resort, it is the duty of the proprietor to report your presence, as it always has been.
This kind of law exists in many places in Farangland, don't get paranoid about ths stuff. It has been the law for a long time, now that laws are being reinforced again (or for the first time more like it) everybody thinks that they are being singled out for special treatment. I doubt that the 24 hour rule will be enforced, Immigration seem to be overworked as it is.
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Sorry boys this thread is forked and out of date. http://www.buriramexpats.com/forum/index.php/topic,7873.msg49837/topicseen.html#new
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Cooked.I'm not talking about the part of the statement you mention above(except I wont carry my passport everywhere) I mean't that if you go somewhere for say a holiday,for more then 48 hours,you have to report your location?? So you go away for 2 weeks and spend 3 or 4 days here and there,you have to report EVERYTIME it's more then 48 hours,that's big brother if I ever seen it.
If, like me, you spend your time in a hotel, private house or a resort, it is the duty of the proprietor to report your presence, as it always has been.
This kind of law exists in many places in Farangland, don't get paranoid about ths stuff. It has been the law for a long time, now that laws are being reinforced again (or for the first time more like it) everybody thinks that they are being singled out for special treatment. I doubt that the 24 hour rule will be enforced, Immigration seem to be overworked as it is.
At the moment KCI is going threw every resort hotel, dog house, cat house, restaurant, and bar in Surin and Buriram Provinces and fines are being leaved. That 24 hour rule is just one of the rules that is bing enforced. Do not kid yourself.
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Gotlost,I have read the reports,and your other thread OP.No one so far has commented.Cooked,seems to find everything is fine with a developing situation that could get out of control,the thumb screws are being turned.I understand the need to weed out the undesirables and send them packing,but those of us who have been here for at least a few years,with wives,children etc,and have been bringing into the country 10's of millions of Baht for living,buying homes etc,and we do nothing but good for our local Thai communities are being penalized it seems very unfair to me.And this is only one aspect of some of what is happening,I can't say more,as I know that I will get a "holiday" if I do.Suffice to say Gotlost that this country I care about is really starting to look like it is going down the drain hole,as far as freedom goes. :(
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Cooked.I'm not talking about the part of the statement you mention above(except I wont carry my passport everywhere) I mean't that if you go somewhere for say a holiday,for more then 48 hours,you have to report your location?? So you go away for 2 weeks and spend 3 or 4 days here and there,you have to report EVERYTIME it's more then 48 hours,that's big brother if I ever seen it.
If, like me, you spend your time in a hotel, private house or a resort, it is the duty of the proprietor to report your presence, as it always has been.
This kind of law exists in many places in Farangland, don't get paranoid about ths stuff. It has been the law for a long time, now that laws are being reinforced again (or for the first time more like it) everybody thinks that they are being singled out for special treatment. I doubt that the 24 hour rule will be enforced, Immigration seem to be overworked as it is.
At the moment KCI is going threw every resort hotel, dog house, cat house, restaurant, and bar in Surin and Buriram Provinces and fines are being leaved. That 24 hour rule is just one of the rules that is bing enforced. Do not kid yourself.
Sorry Gl, I am easily confused and I was getting more confused reading 2 different threads on the same subject.
Add to that, Thai Visas 2 stories from Hua Hin (the one where the Thai immigration backtracked on acceptable ID's)
So, to clarify, if you will .....
WHAT are KCI officers actually doing / looking for when they are going to "every resort hotel, dog house, cat house, restaurant, and bar in Surin and Buriram Provinces"
"and fines are being leaved" for what?
love5
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"and fines are being leaved" for what? In a nutshell Somnat,I think Gotlost means,or the statements mean,fines will be applied if you don't carry the correct ID (2000Baht fines) at all times,in the doghouse,cathouse,bar,where ever.
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Levied to who?
Surly KCI or any other immigration office would not actively go looking around the doghouses,cat houses, and bars just to see if the farang occupants had their ID's with them.
Don't forget that this is a Hua Hin immigration "initiative" that has already been back tracked and changed.
The original report from HH imm had them saying that a " Copy of passport verified and stamped by Hua Hin Immigration" would be acceptable.
Today they are saying " Immigration does not provide any kind of ‘stamp’ verification on a photocopy of a passport as announced at the meeting yesterday"
WTF :o :o :o
And what is the "24 hour rule"
If GL is talking about the "house master" / hotel / resort etc etc etc reporting a farangs presence, then that is up to them.
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"and fines are being leaved" for what? In a nutshell Somnat,I think Gotlost means,or the statements mean,fines will be applied if you don't carry the correct ID (2000Baht fines) at all times,in the doghouse,cathouse,bar,where ever.
NO.
What GL stated was......
"At the moment KCI is going threw every resort hotel, dog house, cat house, restaurant, and bar in Surin and Buriram Provinces and fines are being leaved."
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"and fines are being leaved" for what? In a nutshell Somnat,I think Gotlost means,or the statements mean,fines will be applied if you don't carry the correct ID (2000Baht fines) at all times,in the doghouse,cathouse,bar,where ever.
NO.
What GL stated was......
"At the moment KCI is going threw every resort hotel, dog house, cat house, restaurant, and bar in Surin and Buriram Provinces and fines are being leaved."
and yes the 24 hour rule also is being enforced. On spot fines of 3600 baht and up to the establishment.
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They are talking with owners and customers if it is of another nature they call the BiB's and the taxation department.
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"and fines are being leaved" for what? In a nutshell Somnat,I think Gotlost means,or the statements mean,fines will be applied if you don't carry the correct ID (2000Baht fines) at all times,in the doghouse,cathouse,bar,where ever.
NO.
What GL stated was......
"At the moment KCI is going threw every resort hotel, dog house, cat house, restaurant, and bar in Surin and Buriram Provinces and fines are being leaved."
and yes the 24 hour rule also is being enforced. On spot fines of 3600 baht and up to the establishment.
also meaning what GL?
also as in they are scurrying around the countryside checking every nook and cranny for farangs and then asking them for their ID?
Hopefully we will see some "official" clarification from head office in the near future.
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This is getting confused.
It has always been the case that foreigners have to carry their passport at all times. Hua Hin screwed up yesterday when they said that driving license or certified copy of passport would also do it. There has always been a liability to a 2000THB fine for not doing this. I have always got away with showing my driving license. You may want to decide whether it is worth the risk of losing or damaging (Song kran comes to mind) your passport carrying it around at all times and just accept the fine which will doubtless be negotiable. UK and Australian residents know how difficult it is to get a new passport.
24 hour rule: if you change your adress you must announce this to Immigration within 24 hours. How often do you change your adress?
48 hour rule: if a foreigner visits another province for more than 48 hours, the house master or owner or possessor of the residence where foreigners reside must send notice to immigration. There is nothing new about all this, enforcement has been 'varied' in the past.
What's wrong with that? You always have a few thousand in your wallet / driving license for police checks anyway, this will die down I expect.
I read above something along the lines of fascist bully boys, this is ridiculous. In Switzerland you are liable to 24 hours in a cell so that the police can confirm your ID. What do you think about that? I see very little mention of the fact that visa exempt entries can now be extended by another 30 days and not 7 as previously. The law is being upheld, at the same time regulations (the way the law is interpreted) are being looked at. Stay cool, if regulations are being tightened maybe it is because of years of getting around them by Farangs with a few thousand to spare.
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It has always been the case that foreigners have to carry their passport at all times.
What Thailand law or regulation states that?
References are our friend.
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It has always been the case that foreigners have to carry their passport at all times.
What Thailand law or regulation states that?
References are our friend.
Blimey, this has been so obvious for me for so long that I had to google it (thailand carry passport ) . Try: Extracted from UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office website advisory on travel in Thailand:
"By law, you must carry your passport with you at all times in Thailand. Tourists have been arrested because they were unable to produce their passport upon request. Ensure you complete the next of kin details section in the back of your passport. "
Link:
http://www.fco.gov.u...nd/#lawsCustoms
This site is an official government site and therefore very unlikely to contain untrue or hearsay information. (They would be legally liable).
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It has always been the case that foreigners have to carry their passport at all times.
What Thailand law or regulation states that?
References are our friend.
Blimey, this has been so obvious for me for so long that I had to google it (thailand carry passport ) . Try: Extracted from UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office website advisory on travel in Thailand:
"By law, you must carry your passport with you at all times in Thailand. Tourists have been arrested because they were unable to produce their passport upon request. Ensure you complete the next of kin details section in the back of your passport. "
Link:
http://www.fco.gov.u...nd/#lawsCustoms
This site is an official government site and therefore very unlikely to contain untrue or hearsay information. (They would be legally liable).
The link is NFG try again. chairhit
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It has always been the case that foreigners have to carry their passport at all times.
What Thailand law or regulation states that?
References are our friend.
Blimey, this has been so obvious for me for so long that I had to google it (thailand carry passport ) . Try: Extracted from UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office website advisory on travel in Thailand:
"By law, you must carry your passport with you at all times in Thailand. Tourists have been arrested because they were unable to produce their passport upon request. Ensure you complete the next of kin details section in the back of your passport. "
Link:
http://www.fco.gov.u...nd/#lawsCustoms
This site is an official government site and therefore very unlikely to contain untrue or hearsay information. (They would be legally liable).
The link is NFG try again. chairhit
Exactly.
So where on a Thai GVT website is a law that requires a passport be carried? I really want to know.
That being said. When I traveled to Patts last week in a rented van, I never had to produce my passport even though I made sure I had it with me. I think we encountered 4 checkpoints.
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It has always been the case that foreigners have to carry their passport at all times.
What Thailand law or regulation states that?
References are our friend.
Blimey, this has been so obvious for me for so long that I had to google it (thailand carry passport ) . Try: Extracted from UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office website advisory on travel in Thailand:
"By law, you must carry your passport with you at all times in Thailand. Tourists have been arrested because they were unable to produce their passport upon request. Ensure you complete the next of kin details section in the back of your passport. "
Link:
http://www.fco.gov.u...nd/#lawsCustoms
This site is an official government site and therefore very unlikely to contain untrue or hearsay information. (They would be legally liable).
The link is NFG try again. chairhit
Exactly.
So where on a Thai GVT website is a law that requires a passport be carried? I really want to know.
That being said. When I traveled to Patts last week in a rented van, I never had to produce my passport even though I made sure I had it with me. I think we encountered 4 checkpoints.
I totally agree with Keith on this . I would like to see a Thai law on this but in all my searching I have found NO such animal. Just to let you know I cary my passport with me at all time and have been dong so for 25 years. I have only been asked one time in Thailand half way between Prasat and Surin at a cop stop around 2008. What people tend to not understand is this country is still under marshal law, the military rules and these boys walk to a different beat. As an illustrious member of this forum pointed out the other day two idiots were asked for their pp by the army in Nang Rong about 8 am they did not have them and at 4 pm they were still in an army truck waiting. There may not be a law that in Thailand that says you must cary it but you fork with bull and you get horn.
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Why don't you try to find a link? ?
As I said before I also never had to show my passport outside of Kap Choeng and the driving license place to anyone. I have spent hours trying to make sense of official Thai websites to find out the law on certain subjects, it can't be done. Jeez guys, this is Thailand, the Swiss embassy told me this and the UK embassy in the past has stated this.
http://www.richardbarrow.com/2013/08/always-carry-your-passport-or-a-copy-while-in-thailand/ is without substantiation also, why not ask him?
Now listen: there is a law in Thailand stating that everyone must carry an ID at all times. If you contest that then the conversation ends here. I can't imagine that this law, presumably formulated many years ago before the invention of nice laminated driving licenses, included DLs. Or certified copies of passports. The law hasn't been enforced strictly, now it is being as they want to get rid of people living and working in Thailand illegally. I took the trouble to answer because a load of hysteria seems to be generated by the fact that this law is being applied. Valid IDs? Well I suppose it may well be that they have just decided that in the case of Farangs this means passport, but it is still within the law.
ANYWAY. I just read on Thaivisa that big news is coming up tomorrow so start packing your bags and sell the car.
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I agree with urleft's post above. If it isn't on a police order on a Thai government website then it's not credible.
I don't give a x what it says on UK or US or any other non-thai website
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The x in my post above is a replacement for a word that rhymes with DUCK
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Why don't you try to find a link? ?
As I said before I also never had to show my passport outside of Kap Choeng and the driving license place to anyone. I have spent hours trying to make sense of official Thai websites to find out the law on certain subjects, it can't be done. Jeez guys, this is Thailand, the Swiss embassy told me this and the UK embassy in the past has stated this.
http://www.richardbarrow.com/2013/08/always-carry-your-passport-or-a-copy-while-in-thailand/ (http://www.richardbarrow.com/2013/08/always-carry-your-passport-or-a-copy-while-in-thailand/) is without substantiation also, why not ask him?
Now listen: there is a law in Thailand stating that everyone must carry an ID at all times. If you contest that then the conversation ends here. I can't imagine that this law, presumably formulated many years ago before the invention of nice laminated driving licenses, included DLs. Or certified copies of passports. The law hasn't been enforced strictly, now it is being as they want to get rid of people living and working in Thailand illegally. I took the trouble to answer because a load of hysteria seems to be generated by the fact that this law is being applied. Valid IDs? Well I suppose it may well be that they have just decided that in the case of Farangs this means passport, but it is still within the law.
ANYWAY. I just read on Thaivisa that big news is coming up tomorrow so start packing your bags and sell the car.
Because cooked, you made this statement:
"By law, you must carry your passport with you at all times in Thailand.
So what law requires the passport be carried? Your statement, so back it up with a Thai GVT link.
I carry my passport when traveling outside of Buriram City. But I am trying to discover the specific Thai Law requiring that action. Since you stated it is required, what is the Thai Law link so I can better understand it?
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Keith, I am the same as you. If I leave my home province(Buriram) I always take my passport with me. No big deal...
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Keith, I am the same as you. If I leave my home province(Buriram) I always take my passport with me. No big deal...
Yes, not a big deal. However I normally carry a photo copy of my Passport and Thai Retirement extension around Buriram City. If the law changes where I need my actual passport, I want to have beforehand to avoid problems.
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Your Thai DL is normally sufficient in your own province which is what I always carry....
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Your Thai DL is normally sufficient in your own province which is what I always carry....
Not according to cooked.
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Sorry Cooked,but your cooked.I as Urleft and others have not had to ever carry a passport,unless going away somewhere,I do as Urleft and others here do,copies,nice and clear,around town and never in the years I've been here have had a problem at a check point,or anywhere,I smile,be nice and compliant,and are waved on my way.Yes if that changes I will carry my passport EVERYWHERE....but for now that little book is too important to me to lose,or have stolen,or my car robbed and it is stolen etc.I also have been looking for definitive info on this,none I can find.
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Sorry Cooked,but your cooked.I as Urleft and others have not had to ever carry a passport,unless going away somewhere,I do as Urleft and others here do,copies,nice and clear,around town and never in the years I've been here have had a problem at a check point,or anywhere,I smile,be nice and compliant,and are waved on my way.Yes if that changes I will carry my passport EVERYWHERE....but for now that little book is too important to me to lose,or have stolen,or my car robbed and it is stolen etc.I also have been looking for definitive info on this,none I can find.
If you were to read my posts ou would see that I have experienced the same as you, I never had to show my passport. However if you were to google a bit you would see that people have been fined in the past for not having their passport. Nothing has changed, they are talking about applying the law as it stands. You can't have missed that. The law will doubtless in the National Identity Card Act which definitely exists but is not to be found on the net.
There is a 34 page discussion on Thaivisa about this and the tone is the same as here: lots of accusations of stupidity and denials. Wait for the news that is supposed to be ssued today about this subject.
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What has to be remembered here is that there are two sets of rules.
The "National Identity Card Act" covers everyone in the Kingdom, including Thai people. This is enforced by the police.
There is also another set of rules that we, as foreigners, also have to adhere to. That is the "immigration act". This is enforced by immigration officials.
The National Identity Card Act states that everyone must carry a photo ID. Whether that be an ID card, drivers licence or passport.
The Immigration Act states that all "aliens" must carry a passport. The reason for this is that visa/extension of stay status cannot be checked on any ID other than a passport.
I imagine that those that have been "googling" and state that no such law exists have been looking in English. A simple "google" in Thai will bring up the immigration act. Well worth a read. There are some real monsters in there. If you can't read Thai then get someone who can to read it for you and translate. You will see that all of the recent goings on are not new rules but simply old rules that are now being enforced. Including the fact that "aliens" need to carry passports at all times, if immigration are around.
http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/act_imm_2522.html
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What has to be remembered here is that there are two sets of rules.
The "National Identity Card Act" covers everyone in the Kingdom, including Thai people. This is enforced by the police.
There is also another set of rules that we, as foreigners, also have to adhere to. That is the "immigration act". This is enforced by immigration officials.
The National Identity Card Act states that everyone must carry a photo ID. Whether that be an ID card, drivers licence or passport.
The Immigration Act states that all "aliens" must carry a passport. The reason for this is that visa/extension of stay status cannot be checked on any ID other than a passport.
I imagine that those that have been "googling" and state that no such law exists have been looking in English. A simple "google" in Thai will bring up the immigration act. Well worth a read. There are some real monsters in there. If you can't read Thai then get someone who can to read it for you and translate. You will see that all of the recent goings on are not new rules but simply old rules that are now being enforced. Including the fact that "aliens" need to carry passports at all times, if immigration are around.
http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/doc/act_imm_2522.html
Thanks Starman
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Good find Starman
Just struggled through it but could not (probably missed it) find the section about carrying passport at all tines.
Which section is it under?
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Sections 4 and 5 are most interesting.
Throughout those two sections they refer to " anu- yart- yoo". That means permission to stay. I believe that they are referring to " permanent residence". Those with such a permit only have to carry "ID".
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Sections 4 and 5 are most interesting.
Throughout those two sections they refer to " anu- yart- yoo". That means permission to stay. I believe that they are referring to " permanent residence". Those with such a permit only have to carry "ID".
Thanks for that Starman, most useful. I also found this article on Thaivisa, which was what started off the 34 page discussion.
HUA HIN:-- Following yesterday’s news regarding the requirement for foreigners in Thailand to carry ID with them at all times, Thaivisa.com and local Immigration offices have been inundated with messages and comments from foreigners concerned about how they may be affected by this news.
In order to seek fruther clarification about this, Thaivisa.com has today met with Pol.Col. Thanasak Vongluekiat, Superintendent of Prachuap Khirikhan and Phetchaburi Immigration.
Pol.Col. Thanasak confirmed the following:
1. By law, all tourists and expats nationwide are required to carry their original passports with them at all times. There is no exception to this. Failure to carry your original passport may result in a 2,000 THB fine. The reason behind this is that Immigration needs to keep track of overstayers and foreign criminals who may be staying illegally in the country.
2. The information provided at an Immigration meeting yesterday was unclear. The correct information, which has always been the case, is that no other forms of identification are acceptable. This includes any other form of photo ID, such as a Thai/foreign driving license or a photocopy of your passport.
3. Immigration does not provide any kind of ‘stamp’ verification on a photocopy of a passport as announced at the meeting yesterday. Therefore, you are required to keep your original passport with you at all times as per point #1 above.
Thaivisa.com would like to thank Pol.Col. Thanasak Vongluekiat and his staff for taking time out of their busy schedule in order to clarify this.
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Chapters 4 and 5 ?
Section 34 to 52 ?
I may be looking in the wrong place.
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is it to much to ask but why cant immigration just give or sell us an id card same as a ties every year when we renew or visas big problems if we loose a passport.
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Because you couldn't check if your visa was up to date without going to a computer terminal somewhere. Immigration offices are far from having all their information on the internet, you'll have to wait.