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Title: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on April 13, 2021, 06:58:02 PM
Looks like a big Covid19 surge is on it's way.

I can't help thinking that is has been here all the time and is just growing. Lack of testing and lack of restrictions surely shows that it is not just arriving here but rather it has been here and is growing.

I can believe that there have only been 100 or so confirmed deaths.

Maybe the figures were dampened and now they are paying the consequences.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Nobby on April 14, 2021, 11:01:04 AM
Looks like a big Covid19 surge is on it's way.

I can't help thinking that is has been here all the time and is just growing. Lack of testing and lack of restrictions surely shows that it is not just arriving here but rather it has been here and is growing.

I can believe that there have only been 100 or so confirmed deaths.

Maybe the figures were dampened and now they are paying the consequences.
You sound like you do not believe everything that the present Thai government offices publish. Surely you don't think they are 'massaging' the statistics???????
 whistle party15
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on April 14, 2021, 11:48:47 AM
Looks like a big Covid19 surge is on it's way.

I can't help thinking that is has been here all the time and is just growing. Lack of testing and lack of restrictions surely shows that it is not just arriving here but rather it has been here and is growing.

I can believe that there have only been 100 or so confirmed deaths.

Maybe the figures were dampened and now they are paying the consequences.
You sound like you do not believe everything that the present Thai government offices publish. Surely you don't think they are 'massaging' the statistics???????
 whistle party15

10/10 for stating the bleedin obvious. When it comes down to Covid19 in Thailand.

I was hoping my hypothesis may prompt a view or two. It would be interesting to see what others think.

We are living here after all. Our safety may or may not be compromised.



Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on April 14, 2021, 03:06:01 PM
Our safety is indeed compromised, but don't for one moment think the authorities care about us. We must take care of our own safety, no parties, no gatherings mask up and keep ones distance from others.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on April 14, 2021, 03:59:52 PM
Our safety is indeed compromised, but don't for one moment think the authorities care about us. We must take care of our own safety, no parties, no gatherings mask up and keep ones distance from others.

Thanks for the reply. Interesting comments.

Thai people, in general, need a little leading to make decisions. Especially ones as difficult as is being faced. I still wonder if they have been told the whole story.

Having seen a couple of funerals in the village of late and the lack of any real examinations by pathologists, I wonder if true cause of deaths has ever really been established.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on April 14, 2021, 11:04:57 PM
Why did the flue disappear.
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: jivvy on April 15, 2021, 09:00:31 AM
Why did the flue disappear.
Regards
Not disappeared, probably just rediagnosed as Covid
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on April 15, 2021, 12:24:22 PM
I know Chonburi Public health announced over 90 percent of those tested positive are asymptomatic , so 100's of basically not sick people sequestered for weeks in field hospitals .
As it been said many times if you are in the vulnerable category of being over 70 or have pre existing health issues then stay at home if you feel you are at risk.
As for the Vaccines they dont stop you getting Covid , they just lessen the symptoms and you can still become asymptomatic and wouldn't know it unless you are tested .Even then how accurate are the tests ?
Thailands figures have always been low compared to other countries but now with mass testing in some area's they are just discovering more asymptomatic people that dont even feel sick.
Also if people are so worried about Covid making them ill or killing them , then maybe have a look at other aspects of their lifestyles . Like a change of diet, stop drinking or smoking and tryng boosting their immune system.
I think its about time people were allowed to make their own mind up on how they run their lives.Hundreds of thousands of people are having their lives ruined on a so called pandemic that has a survival rate not much different to the Seasonal flu ,with people under 40 with no pre existing health issues the Flu is more dangerous.
I can see another LOCKDOWN on its way soon that will result in more hardship and death than Covid will ever cause !!!
I think its about time people stopped blaming the Goverement as they are doing their best ( but they are about as affective as King Kanut was at stopping the tide ) and took some personal accountability .Yes covid is killing some old people that would no doubt would have died a few months later anyway.
Already Covid 19 is mutating to become other variants. Its about time people realised that Covid ( Flu ) is here to stay . .As I've said before if Covid dont get you there are 100's of other thing that will. "So stop living in fear and just get on with your life"... is my mantra for the day.

Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: jivvy on April 15, 2021, 01:19:20 PM
I hope you don't mind Smithy but I copied and pasted your post to the Korat Farang Forum.
Mike
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on April 15, 2021, 05:07:08 PM
I know Chonburi Public health announced over 90 percent of those tested positive are asymptomatic , so 100's of basically not sick people sequestered for weeks in field hospitals .
As it been said many times if you are in the vulnerable category of being over 70 or have pre existing health issues then stay at home if you feel you are at risk.
As for the Vaccines they dont stop you getting Covid , they just lessen the symptoms and you can still become asymptomatic and wouldn't know it unless you are tested .Even then how accurate are the tests ?
Thailands figures have always been low compared to other countries but now with mass testing in some area's they are just discovering more asymptomatic people that dont even feel sick.
Also if people are so worried about Covid making them ill or killing them , then maybe have a look at other aspects of their lifestyles . Like a change of diet, stop drinking or smoking and tryng boosting their immune system.
I think its about time people were allowed to make their own mind up on how they run their lives.Hundreds of thousands of people are having their lives ruined on a so called pandemic that has a survival rate not much different to the Seasonal flu ,with people under 40 with no pre existing health issues the Flu is more dangerous.
I can see another LOCKDOWN on its way soon that will result in more hardship and death than Covid will ever cause !!!
I think its about time people stopped blaming the Goverement as they are doing their best ( but they are about as affective as King Kanut was at stopping the tide ) and took some personal accountability .Yes covid is killing some old people that would no doubt would have died a few months later anyway.
Already Covid 19 is mutating to become other variants. Its about time people realised that Covid ( Flu ) is here to stay . .As I've said before if Covid dont get you there are 100's of other thing that will. "So stop living in fear and just get on with your life"... is my mantra for the day.


I agree with 95% of the above.


As you know, I own a crematorium in the UK. The cremation numbers have been 30% up and those those numbers are some cases of under 50's (with no apparent underlying health conditions) succumbing to Covid.

Covid is effectively flu but to dismiss it as being anything like 'normal' is wrong.

Not sure but I would guess that a severe flu season would probably see the cremation number 15-20% up on normal.


Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on April 15, 2021, 05:46:38 PM
I hope you don't mind Smithy but I copied and pasted your post to the Korat Farang Forum.
Mike

No problem , your not the only one that has shared that post on other local forums . So I feel quite flattered   :biggrin:
I guess some will agree with that post and some wont .
Ever since the covid outbreak started in Thailand I have followed all the rules/laws .I wear a mask when out in public and always follow all the other rules.Mostly to appease those around me ,not because I am scared of catching anything . If I catch covid on my of my trips to Pattaya or one of the the other local Issan cities I like to visit then I only have my self to blame. I know the risks involved but statistically I'm more likely to die on the roads getting to these places than I am of covid.
Compared to other western countries ( like the Uk )  we have got off lightly here in Thailand when it comes to draconian covid measures.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on April 15, 2021, 07:20:11 PM
I can see another LOCKDOWN on its way soon that will result in more hardship and death than Covid will ever cause !!!

In a Meeting today the Goverment said " It is not a lockdown, and they have asked people not to use that word, and said any sort of overall lockdown is not on the table" ... They would like the Thai MSM and people to use the phrase "precautionary proactive health measures to protect public health" as no one likes the word Lockdown  ::)
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on April 16, 2021, 08:46:47 AM
I hope you don't mind Smithy but I copied and pasted your post to the Korat Farang Forum.
Mike

No problem , your not the only one that has shared that post on other local forums . So I feel quite flattered   :biggrin:
I guess some will agree with that post and some wont .
Ever since the covid outbreak started in Thailand I have followed all the rules/laws .I wear a mask when out in public and always follow all the other rules.Mostly to appease those around me ,not because I am scared of catching anything . If I catch covid on my of my trips to Pattaya or one of the the other local Issan cities I like to visit then I only have my self to blame. I know the risks involved but statistically I'm more likely to die on the roads getting to these places than I am of covid.
Compared to other western countries ( like the Uk )  we have got off lightly here in Thailand when it comes to draconian covid measures.


I think it helps that Covid has given Thailand a 'light touch'........... I am not sure that I would have so mobile in the UK - obviously I wouldn't because of their 'lockdown' restrictions.


I fully agree that the word "lockdown" is over-used and used inappropriately. I know friends in the UK who have been told that it is getting bad in Thailand and there will be another 'lockdown'. They immediately picture the situation being like the UK.......No there won't be a 'lockdown'!  We haven't had one, won't have one....... the increase in red zones (with associated restrictions) is what is most likely to be announced today.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: iammike on April 16, 2021, 08:50:44 AM
<snip> the increase in red zones (with associated restrictions) is what is most likely to be announced today.

According to this
https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1213979-breaking-thai-government-set-to-announce-more-restrictions-nationwide/

The red provinces will be:

Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Chonburi, Samut Prakan, Prachuap Khiri Khan, Samut Sakhon, Pathum Thani, Nakhon Pathom, Phuket, Nakhon Ratchasima, Nonthaburi, Songkhla, Tak, Udon Thani, Suphanburi, Sa Kaeo, Rayong and Khon Kaen.

All other provinces will be orange zones.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on April 16, 2021, 12:27:58 PM
I hope the Covid Testing Kits they use here in Thailand are better than the new one's they use in the UK  ::)
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Starman on April 16, 2021, 02:51:07 PM
I hope the Covid Testing Kits they use here in Thailand are better than the new one's they use in the UK  ::)

Not sure where you got that story but it is wide of the mark.

My wife, daughter and |I have been having daily lateral flow tests, due to the nature of our jobs. We have also been having bi weekly PCR tests. All have come back with the same results.

Those that we know that have had positive tests have also been backed up by PCR positives.

I agree that the lateral flow test have a level of inaccuracy but the figure show here, from personal experience, is far too low.

As for the comments on lockdown. Here in the UK it is what you make it. We live near to the seafront. Many people going out walking. Most, not all, following guidelines with regards to social distancing. Supermarkets and many other food stores open to customers. DIY stores open, cafes open for takeaway, some pubs open for takeaway. To be honest, although I agree that those told to work from home may disagree, I have not really noticed much difference. Sure,I can't go down to the pub or take my wife out for a meal in a restaurant but not sure how many times we would do that anyway.

I can go to the supermarket or off licence, get a few beers or a couple of bottles of wine and go home and sit on the balcony (if the weather is fine) or just sit in the lounge with my wife and have a tipple.

I really do not understand some people that I know, who don't have any reason to isolate other than believing in project fear, when they complain about how they have had to stay in for a year, getting bored, putting on weight and suffering mentally. NO ONE has ever said that one must stay indoors 24/7. The guidelines are there and are easy to understand.

All that said, I did enjoy a few pints on Guinness at a seafront bar yesterday afternoon. Long may those opportunities continue.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on April 16, 2021, 03:11:28 PM

Not sure where you got that story but it is wide of the mark.


Only posted what was said on the Mail-online ..  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9477035/As-2-cent-positive-Covid-lateral-flow-test-results-accurate-adviser-warns.html
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Starman on April 16, 2021, 03:24:33 PM

Not sure where you got that story but it is wide of the mark.


Only posted what was said on the Mail-online ..  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9477035/As-2-cent-positive-Covid-lateral-flow-test-results-accurate-adviser-warns.html

I think the "leaked email" bit speaks volumes.

If it was a real figure, why not announce it through the usual channels?

The NHS study, mentioned in the same article, suggests that 1 in 1000 are inaccurate. The figure seems out too. That said, at least it is showing that the tests show false positives. Much better than showing false negatives. Any lateral flow positive will be quickly checked by a PCR test.

Like I said, my family and I have a lot of experience of these test. First there were rumours of false positives, then about false negatives, etc, etc. All I can say is that almost all of the tests I have seen have had a PCR test with the same results to back them up.

I do know of one person who tested negative on a lateral flow test and positive on PCR a day later. I'm no medical expert so not sure if this is an erroneous lateral flow test or if it is possible to have two different results in 2 days. I guess there must be some point when the antibodies become detectable in the system. Can 24 hours make a difference? I guess so but would not be able to categorically state so.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on April 16, 2021, 11:28:33 PM
Is it possible for the flue to mis diagnosed as Covid 19.
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on April 17, 2021, 11:26:31 AM
Is it possible for the flue to mis diagnosed as Covid 19.
Regards

The problem in this day and ages is there is so much  miss-information and propaganda ( depending on what side you are on and coming from both sides ) Its very hard to believe anything 100% these days . If you want to belive that Flu can be misdiagnosed  as Covid you can find sites on the internet that say they can and visa-versa. Same as what happened with Brexit , whether Trump won or that Covid test's are s**t and are getting it wrong a large percentage of the time
Now you cant even quote TRUE scientific and biological FACTS incase you may upset some woke fruitcake ...the worlds going f***ing Mad  screwy

 

Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on April 17, 2021, 11:35:32 AM
Is it possible for the flue to mis diagnosed as Covid 19.
Regards

The problem in this day and ages is there is so much  miss-information and propaganda ( depending on what side you are on and coming from both sides ) Its very hard to belive anything 100% these days . If you want to belive that Flu can be misdiagnosed  as Covid you can find sites on the internet that say they can and visa-versa. Same as what happened with Brexit , whether Trump won or that Covid test's are s**t and are getting it wrong a large percentage of the time
Now you cant even quote TRUE scientific and biological FACTS incase you may upset some woke fruitcake ...the worlds going f***ing Mad  screwy

Good points, Smithy.

The only way to be able to work all this out is from personal experience. Some of the points on this thread have made more sense than others as they are from experience.

My experience is that there seems to be a very low rate of testing here in Thailand. There are no or very few post mortems here too. Therefore, how on earth can Thailand say, with some accuracy, how many Covid19 cases they have had and how many people have died as a result of Covid19.

Commenting right now on whether Brexit is good or bad is impossible. It is going to take a couple of years for true results to trickle through. I read things like " Britain is now a third world country". It just makes me laugh.

Trump lost the last election, by the looks of it anyway. The true story and true figures may never be known, or are they????

I agree with the world going mad though. Too many people around asking for more rights just because they feel they are different. Why not just all live together?
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on April 17, 2021, 12:29:00 PM
My experience is that there seems to be a very low rate of testing here in Thailand. There are no or very few post mortems here too. Therefore, how on earth can Thailand say, with some accuracy, how many Covid19 cases they have had and how many people have died as a result of Covid19.

I think you're spot on with testing. As I have posted before "over 90 percent of those tested positive are asymptomatic' ( In Chonburi ) , before only people that had syptoms were tested hence to low numbers , If you test more people you will find more asymptomatic case's  . And as Covid mainly kills  old people people . yes I doubt many 85 year olds that pop their logs in a small Isaan Villiage would have had a post mortem . Over the last year some people here in our Village have had mild symtoms ( high temperature and feeling a bit rough, even me !! ) but none had been tested for Covid ( as far as I know  ) as Surin didn't have covid ( according to the data ) .Like I did , most stay laid up for a few day and took a few paracetamol .Even with this latest Covid wave , people aren't dropping like fly ,  but it does seem odd to me that this latest wave coincides with the start of the Rainy Season and the start of the normal Cold and Flu season !!!
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: mudcat on April 18, 2021, 04:16:29 PM
An interesting article on the 'Thai' vaccine undergoing testing - I had always been skeptical about the BP articles, but it appears that the source of the technology dates back to research in the U.S. to develop a vaccine for MERS and the Thai connection is running tests and later producing for domestic and regional needs.  Lets hope it can in the public domain and not a private company such as Siam Bioscience. 
Here is the link to the article in the New York Times (which only locks one out after 5-articles in a month).  What is hopeful is that the vaccine can be produced in normal vaccine laboratories using existing procedures and components rather than purpose built labs using scarce and expensive inputs. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/05/health/hexapro-mclellan-vaccine.html

Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on April 30, 2021, 12:28:08 PM
Dont forget ..Masks are now mandatory or you will be fined  !!!
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 03, 2021, 10:03:41 AM
https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 05, 2021, 11:16:01 AM
Girl in our village came back from Bangkok, sick, taken to hospital by ambulance, complaining of difficulty breathing. Two neighbors running around the village no masks coughing up a lung for the last few days. No Covid here folks!
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on May 05, 2021, 05:39:08 PM
Girl in our village came back from Bangkok, sick, taken to hospital by ambulance, complaining of difficulty breathing. Two neighbors running around the village no masks coughing up a lung for the last few days. No Covid here folks!

Do your duty DD and shop them.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: dundeemk6 on May 06, 2021, 12:01:11 AM
Girl in our village came back from Bangkok, sick, taken to hospital by ambulance, complaining of difficulty breathing. Two neighbors running around the village no masks coughing up a lung for the last few days. No Covid here folks!

Do your duty DD and shop them.

Don't talk too soon Nick, this might happen when uneducated people start shitting their pants !!!
And I think the worst is still to come for you there ...

I wish you the best and BE SAFE !!!!!
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 08, 2021, 01:25:19 PM
Girl in our village came back from Bangkok, sick, taken to hospital by ambulance, complaining of difficulty breathing. Two neighbors running around the village no masks coughing up a lung for the last few days. No Covid here folks!

Do your duty DD and shop them.

Don't talk too soon Nick, this might happen when uneducated people start shitting their pants !!!
And I think the worst is still to come for you there ...

I wish you the best and BE SAFE !!!!!

That is rather a crude comment. Why I'd such a put down necessary?
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 09, 2021, 03:12:11 PM
Which part was the put down ?
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 09, 2021, 04:55:36 PM
Which part was the put down ?

I think the uneducated people are shitting their pant's !!!!!!  These are one one's that believe the propaganda on MSM and dont educate themselves with the true facts .
If I had a choice I wouldn't wear a 5 baht mask as I think they do FA if you are fit and heathy . I do wear them though when I go out as its the law here . Most of the people in our Village dont wear a masks when out and about in the Village but they do if they go into town were there have been a few reported cases. I think you will find that most case's stem for people being in close groups inside (ie gambling dens and disco's ) , not walking down the road without a mask on .
If someone doesn't want to wear a mask I have no problem with that , there are far to many righteous twats about ,thinking they are something specail by following  f**king woke MSM ( more so in the west )  !!!
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 09, 2021, 05:24:50 PM
Anyone thinking of getting the vaccine ...... is a big decision ? choose wisely  :o ::) :blink:
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 10, 2021, 04:48:21 AM
The only vaccine for Covid 19 I would use  would be the Russian Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine. It is safe, cheap and really works without all the nasty side effects of the big Pharma money grab vaccines.
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on May 10, 2021, 11:32:40 AM
The only vaccine for Covid 19 I would use  would be the Russian Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine. It is safe, cheap and really works without all the nasty side effects of the big Pharma money grab vaccines.
Regards

Do you have the evidence to support that statement?
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 10, 2021, 11:36:08 AM
We are fortunate in Buriram to have so many Covid experts.

These days the internet can provide you with any source of information to back whichever point of view you hold....the chart from Smithy being a classic case of information (true or otherwise) that has little or no relevance to the current local situation.

Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2021, 12:08:04 PM
We are fortunate in Buriram to have so many Covid experts.

These days the internet can provide you with any source of information to back whichever point of view you hold....the chart from Smithy being a classic case of information (true or otherwise) that has little or no relevance to the current local situation.

All I was pointing out was , 'be carful in what you have injected into your body' .Especially when none of these vacines have been tested fully.

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/9-student-nurses-experience-side-effects-from-sinovac-vaccine
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 10, 2021, 01:26:59 PM
Which part was the put down ?

Most of it.

Suggesting that local people are uneducated. Then to assume it is only they that will be afraid, done in a derogatory manner.

I don't think it's polite to try to show some kind of upper echelon status in comparison to others. Not just here but every where.

Smithy you are going a bit hard on the fear factor, aren't you? Many of my family in UK, their friends and their family have been vaccinated with Pfizer or AZ. None have had any side effects other than sore arm and flu like symptoms for a few hours.

Looking at the figures, and allowing for the EU politics that first started the scare, the AZ blood clot theory is just not worth even talking about. The percentage is so low. It has not even been proven whether the blood clot victims would have had such a health scare without the vaccine. Such small percentages could quite easily be put down to coincidence.

Tassie, millions of people around the world, 44million in UK alone, will likely disagree with you.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2021, 01:43:56 PM

Smithy you are going a bit hard on the fear factor, aren't you? Many of my family in UK, their friends and their family have been vaccinated with Pfizer or AZ. None have had any side effects other than sore arm and flu like symptoms for a few hours.

Looking at the figures, and allowing for the EU politics that first started the scare, the AZ blood clot theory is just not worth even talking about. The percentage is so low. It has not even been proven whether the blood clot victims would have had such a health scare without the vaccine. Such small percentages could quite easily be put down to coincidence.

Tassie, millions of people around the world, 44million in UK alone, will likely disagree with you.

If you want to take the vacine then be my guest , I think I will take the 'wait and see ' apporach ;)
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 10, 2021, 01:47:58 PM

Smithy you are going a bit hard on the fear factor, aren't you? Many of my family in UK, their friends and their family have been vaccinated with Pfizer or AZ. None have had any side effects other than sore arm and flu like symptoms for a few hours.

Looking at the figures, and allowing for the EU politics that first started the scare, the AZ blood clot theory is just not worth even talking about. The percentage is so low. It has not even been proven whether the blood clot victims would have had such a health scare without the vaccine. Such small percentages could quite easily be put down to coincidence.

Tassie, millions of people around the world, 44million in UK alone, will likely disagree with you.


Many have taken the sensible protectionist approach in Lahansai today.

If you want to take the vacine then be my guest , I think I will take the 'wait and see ' apporach ;)
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 10, 2021, 02:00:53 PM
Which part was the put down ?

Most of it.

Suggesting that local people are uneducated. Then to assume it is only they that will be afraid, done in a derogatory manner.

I don't think it's polite to try to show some kind of upper echelon status in comparison to others. Not just here but every where.

Smithy you are going a bit hard on the fear factor, aren't you? Many of my family in UK, their friends and their family have been vaccinated with Pfizer or AZ. None have had any side effects other than sore arm and flu like symptoms for a few hours.

Looking at the figures, and allowing for the EU politics that first started the scare, the AZ blood clot theory is just not worth even talking about. The percentage is so low. It has not even been proven whether the blood clot victims would have had such a health scare without the vaccine. Such small percentages could quite easily be put down to coincidence.

Tassie, millions of people around the world, 44million in UK alone, will likely disagree with you.


Local people are generally uneducated/poorly educated.

They are also gullible, controlled and usually unable to rationalise things for themselves. A generalisation?  Yes - but widespread in the rural areas particularly.

Only a fool would try and deny otherwise.

I very much enjoy staying in this country that I now call home. However, I lost my rose-tinted over a decade ago. I try to take a balance view of Thailand - and the Thais. I will be a vociferous defender of them both when I encounter extreme Thai bashing - but, I believe I am a realist and I will be equally critical of the stupid things they do.

Whilst the original post was crudely constructed, the underlying point had  some validity. Fear, particularly amongst the ignorant/uneducated is a dangerous condition - and we have seen many examples where fear fear and prejudice have resulted in extreme actions.


I agree whole-heartedly with the rest of your post Gerry and think we are all aware that Smithy has been banging the conspiratorial drum for many months. All I will say is that Covid is real, it is significantly worst than attempted comparison with flu and it is indiscriminate in who it affects. I have said before, I own a crematorium in the UK and our numbers are 30/35% up overall (some weeks +50%)..... a flu epedimic would not see those results.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2021, 02:12:25 PM
Many have taken the sensible protectionist approach in Lahansai today.

Will you be having the new untested vaccine when available ?

The thing is even those that have been vaccinated can still become asymptomatic and pass on the virus so must follow all the rules as the unvaccinated people . Will we ever get back to normality  :blink:
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 10, 2021, 02:27:15 PM
Many have taken the sensible protectionist approach in Lahansai today.

Will you be having the new untested vaccine when available ?

The thing is even those that have been vaccinated can still become asymptomatic and pass on the virus so must follow all the rules as the unvaccinated people . Will we ever get back to normality  :blink:

I will be having a vaccine.


I have a preference for Moderna as family back in the UK have had that ...... everyone (who wants a vaccination) has their own favourite.

As a friend said, if there was no internet there would be no fear of the vaccine, adding that everyone just had the TB jab when they were young - they did not debate the arse off the pro's and con's.


Everybody knows that you can still contract CV19 even with the vaccine. The main point is the dramatic affect it has on the symptoms.... and it does offer some protection - as does wearing a mask, as now accepted by WHO. It is part of Covid prevention which includes social distancing etc, etc. Something resembling normality is more likely to be achieved when the majority.

Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 10, 2021, 02:29:59 PM
The only vaccine for Covid 19 I would use  would be the Russian Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine. It is safe, cheap and really works without all the nasty side effects of the big Pharma money grab vaccines.
Regards

Do you have the evidence to support that statement?
Yes I do .  Please PM me if you want to go further with this. Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 10, 2021, 02:38:30 PM
Which part was the put down ?

Most of it.

Suggesting that local people are uneducated. Then to assume it is only they that will be afraid, done in a derogatory manner.

I don't think it's polite to try to show some kind of upper echelon status in comparison to others. Not just here but every where.

Smithy you are going a bit hard on the fear factor, aren't you? Many of my family in UK, their friends and their family have been vaccinated with Pfizer or AZ. None have had any side effects other than sore arm and flu like symptoms for a few hours.

Looking at the figures, and allowing for the EU politics that first started the scare, the AZ blood clot theory is just not worth even talking about. The percentage is so low. It has not even been proven whether the blood clot victims would have had such a health scare without the vaccine. Such small percentages could quite easily be put down to coincidence.

Tassie, millions of people around the world, 44million in UK alone, will likely disagree with you.

Russia sold 100 million doses of the coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine Sputnik V to India, which was also among the countries that produced it on its territory. In total, four Indian companies planned to produce 852 million doses of Sputnik V in 2021. Furthermore, Mexico was to import 7.4 million doses between February and April 2021, with more doses to be delivered in May. Sputnik V was authorized in over 60 countries worldwide as of April 2021. Russia applied for the vaccine approval in the European Union in January, while several EU countries approved its use earlier, such as Hungary or Slovakia.
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 10, 2021, 03:40:22 PM
The only vaccine for Covid 19 I would use  would be the Russian Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine. It is safe, cheap and really works without all the nasty side effects of the big Pharma money grab vaccines.
Regards

Do you have the evidence to support that statement?
Yes I do .  Please PM me if you want to go further with this. Regards

Why not share it on the forum. We can all see it then.

You claim that other vaccines have nasty side effects. Are you speaking about the 0.00125% chance of a blood clot? Do you know the chances of blood clots if you don;t have a vaccine? If you don't, your comments mean nothing. One needs to compare to make a point.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2021, 04:47:09 PM

As a friend said, if there was no internet there would be no fear of the vaccine, adding that everyone just had the TB jab when they were young - they did not debate the arse off the pro's and con's.


Maybe your friend should read more.!!!

How about .....

The Cutter Incident, Polio Vaccine in the mid 50's

The Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTP) Vaccine Controversy in the 70's

The Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) Vaccine Controversy in the 90's

Most Vaccines take 10 -15 years to develope and have to go through vast testing schedules before they are released for public use , No one knows whats going to happen in years to come as the latest Covid Vaccines have been rolled out so fast , As I've said before  , I think I will take the 'wait and see ' apporach !!! . No conspiracy theories here's just facts  :)
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 10, 2021, 05:34:11 PM

As a friend said, if there was no internet there would be no fear of the vaccine, adding that everyone just had the TB jab when they were young - they did not debate the arse off the pro's and con's.


Maybe your friend should read more.!!!

How about .....

The Cutter Incident, Polio Vaccine in the mid 50's

The Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTP) Vaccine Controversy in the 70's

The Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) Vaccine Controversy in the 90's

Most Vaccines take 10 -15 years to develope and have to go through vast testing schedules before they are released for public use , No one knows whats going to happen in years to come as the latest Covid Vaccines have been rolled out so fast , As I've said before  , I think I will take the 'wait and see ' apporach !!! . No conspiracy theories here's just facts  :)

Comparing vaccines of many years ago, with the advancement of technology, is laughable. Especially as many of the original findings have now been found to be false.

Also, I was in a local expat hangout the other day and the idea of many years of development for vaccines came up. There was an Italian guy there whose sister works for GSK in Verona. She has been involved in the developments and testing of vaccines for Covid19. Basically, from what I could understand he said that his sister had pointed out that Corona viruses have been around for decades. Maybe even centuries. The antibodies have been known to scientists for a long time too. It was this fact that enabled the vaccines to be rolled out quickly. It was not a case of trying to discover a new vaccine for a new virus but rather tweaking it to cope with the current virus. Much of the development had already been done. Thus speeding up the process.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2021, 06:46:58 PM

As a friend said, if there was no internet there would be no fear of the vaccine, adding that everyone just had the TB jab when they were young - they did not debate the arse off the pro's and con's.


Maybe your friend should read more.!!!

How about .....

The Cutter Incident, Polio Vaccine in the mid 50's

The Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTP) Vaccine Controversy in the 70's

The Measles, Mumps, and Rubella (MMR) Vaccine Controversy in the 90's

Most Vaccines take 10 -15 years to develope and have to go through vast testing schedules before they are released for public use , No one knows whats going to happen in years to come as the latest Covid Vaccines have been rolled out so fast , As I've said before  , I think I will take the 'wait and see ' apporach !!! . No conspiracy theories here's just facts  :)

Comparing vaccines of many years ago, with the advancement of technology, is laughable. Especially as many of the original findings have now been found to be false.

I think you better read what Coco said and my reply again

Coco said " if there was no internet there would be no fear of the vaccine' and 'they did not debate the arse off the pro's and con's.:....well there has always been vaccine contaversies for the day they were invented .But your right is saying some ending up being false . But for Coco's friend (  ::) ) to  say the everyone in the past just took the vaccines on offer with no question asked is also false .

Also, I was in a local expat hangout the other day and the idea of many years of development for vaccines came up. There was an Italian guy there whose sister works for GSK in Verona. She has been involved in the developments and testing of vaccines for Covid19. Basically, from what I could understand he said that his sister had pointed out that Corona viruses have been around for decades. Maybe even centuries. The antibodies have been known to scientists for a long time too. It was this fact that enabled the vaccines to be rolled out quickly. It was not a case of trying to discover a new vaccine for a new virus but rather tweaking it to cope with the current virus. Much of the development had already been done. Thus speeding up the process.
Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 10, 2021, 07:19:42 PM
Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.


I absolutely agree with the right of an individual not to have the vaccine. As for your concerns, they do not interest me - and I don't see the point in voicing a slanted opinion (using unrelated negative information in an attempt to discredit vaccine producers).

At least you have a fan boy in Dave!   :D :D



Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 10, 2021, 07:22:27 PM
The only vaccine for Covid 19 I would use  would be the Russian Sputnik V COVID-19 vaccine. It is safe, cheap and really works without all the nasty side effects of the big Pharma money grab vaccines.
Regards

Do you have the evidence to support that statement?
Yes I do .  Please PM me if you want to go further with this. Regards

Why not share it on the forum. We can all see it then.

You claim that other vaccines have nasty side effects. Are you speaking about the 0.00125% chance of a blood clot? Do you know the chances of blood clots if you don;t have a vaccine? If you don't, your comments mean nothing. One needs to compare to make a point.


Again, I agree 100%.

If the information is credible then it should be made available on the forum.


I think posters lose credibility if they open their mouth without being able to back it up with supporting validation.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2021, 07:46:25 PM
Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.


I absolutely agree with the right of an individual not to have the vaccine. As for your concerns, they do not interest me - and I don't see the point in voicing a slanted opinion (using unrelated negative information in an attempt to discredit vaccine producers).

At least you have a fan boy in Dave!   :D :D

Good luck with your Moderna vaccine option if it becomes avalible here

https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-moderna-the-covid-vaccine-front-runner-with-no-track-record-and-an-unsparing-ceo-11593615205
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 10, 2021, 08:19:11 PM

Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.


Presumably, if you get bitten by a soi dog, you would not have a rabies jab.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 10, 2021, 08:32:32 PM
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Maybe your friend should read more.!!!

My friend decided to read more.....now he feels reassured.


https://www.facebook.com/95006403011/posts/10160935246948012/?substory_index=0
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2021, 08:39:39 PM

Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.


Presumably, if you get bitten by a soi dog, you would not have a rabies jab.

About 12 years ago I did get bitten by a dog and the wife insisted I went to hospital and have the Rabies jabs. I had the 1st one and I felt ill, I had the 2nd a few days later and I ended up in bed for 8 days and I thought I going to die . I never went back for the rest of the course . I must have had an allergic reaction to it .
After 8 days I started to feel a bit better and got out of bed. I had lost about 4 kilos as I hadn't eaten and had just drunk water . The good thing was I was smoking about 60 a day and after 8 days without a cigarette I decided to stop and have never smoked since . Maybe this is one of the reason for my aversion of vaccines
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 10, 2021, 09:02:16 PM
Some 10 years ago Russia was working on a vaccine for the common cold.  They were able to fast track the development of Sputnik because of some similarities between the common cold and Covid.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123927/sputnik-v-exports-from-russia-by-country/

https://www.rferl.org/a/sputnik-v-vaccine/31133608.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55900622

Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 10, 2021, 09:32:41 PM
Some 10 years ago Russia was working on a vaccine for the common cold.  They were able to fast track the development of Sputnik because of some similarities between the common cold and Covid


As were many other countries and pharmaceutical companies.

I stated this in my comment above.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Nobby on May 10, 2021, 09:57:47 PM

Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.


Presumably, if you get bitten by a soi dog, you would not have a rabies jab.

About 12 years ago I did get bitten by a dog and the wife insisted I went to hospital and have the Rabies jabs. I had the 1st one and I felt ill, I had the 2nd a few days later and I ended up in bed for 8 days and I thought I going to die . I never went back for the rest of the course . I must have had an allergic reaction to it .
After 8 days I started to feel a bit better and got out of bed. I had lost about 4 kilos as I hadn't eaten and had just drunk water . The good thing was I was smoking about 60 a day and after 8 days without a cigarette I decided to stop and have never smoked since . Maybe this is one of the reason for my aversion of vaccines
How was the dog?
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2021, 10:18:45 PM

Yes most of what you have posted above is mainly true BUT I still think its my choice on whether I have the vaccine or not and have every right to voice my concerens.


Presumably, if you get bitten by a soi dog, you would not have a rabies jab.

About 12 years ago I did get bitten by a dog and the wife insisted I went to hospital and have the Rabies jabs. I had the 1st one and I felt ill, I had the 2nd a few days later and I ended up in bed for 8 days and I thought I going to die . I never went back for the rest of the course . I must have had an allergic reaction to it .
After 8 days I started to feel a bit better and got out of bed. I had lost about 4 kilos as I hadn't eaten and had just drunk water . The good thing was I was smoking about 60 a day and after 8 days without a cigarette I decided to stop and have never smoked since . Maybe this is one of the reason for my aversion of vaccines
How was the dog?
Fine , may have been the same one that made you crash when you didn't have your helmet on  :D
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 11, 2021, 06:52:29 AM
Some 10 years ago Russia was working on a vaccine for the common cold.  They were able to fast track the development of Sputnik because of some similarities between the common cold and Covid.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123927/sputnik-v-exports-from-russia-by-country/

https://www.rferl.org/a/sputnik-v-vaccine/31133608.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55900622

Regards


Thanks for posting that.


All countries were able to do the same (because Corona virus is not new) and tat is why the UK got AZ to market so quickly.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 11, 2021, 06:54:53 AM

How was the dog?
Fine , may have been the same one that made you crash when you didn't have your helmet on  :D



Both comments made me LOL... :D :D :D ............You two should get a room........
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 12, 2021, 02:09:08 PM
Slovakia suspends use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine for first doses after blood clot-linked death of recipient.
Canada's Ontario province halts use of AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine after risk of blood clots proves higher than expected
As of today the following countries have suspended the use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine.
Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Bulgaria, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Ireland, The Netherlands, Indonesia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, Latvia, Slovenia, Sweden, Luxembourg and Thailand.
Regards


Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 12, 2021, 02:52:31 PM
Slovakia suspends use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine for first doses after blood clot-linked death of recipient.
Canada's Ontario province halts use of AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine after risk of blood clots proves higher than expected
As of today the following countries have suspended the use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine.
Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Bulgaria, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Ireland, The Netherlands, Indonesia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, Latvia, Slovenia, Sweden, Luxembourg and Thailand.
Regards

Give the source please - comments without supporting references are valueless.

Thailand obviously haven't suspended AZ as Siam Bioscience are producing here in Thailand and the government have ordered 60+m doses.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: iammike on May 12, 2021, 03:14:45 PM
Slovakia suspends use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine for first doses after blood clot-linked death of recipient.
Canada's Ontario province halts use of AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine after risk of blood clots proves higher than expected
As of today the following countries have suspended the use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine.
Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Bulgaria, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Ireland, The Netherlands, Indonesia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, Latvia, Slovenia, Sweden, Luxembourg and Thailand.
Regards

Give the source please - comments without supporting references are valueless.

Thailand obviously haven't suspended AZ as Siam Bioscience are producing here in Thailand and the government have ordered 60+m doses.

+1
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 12, 2021, 03:29:58 PM
Slovakia suspends use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine for first doses after blood clot-linked death of recipient.
Canada's Ontario province halts use of AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine after risk of blood clots proves higher than expected
As of today the following countries have suspended the use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine.
Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Bulgaria, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Ireland, The Netherlands, Indonesia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, Latvia, Slovenia, Sweden, Luxembourg and Thailand.
Regards


The death of a 47-year-old woman was likely connected to her receiving the Anglo-Swedish vaccine, due to a medical predisposition she had for blood clotting disorders, the country?s regulator, the State Institute for Drug Control (SUKL) said last week.

Story from a blog site:-

https://www.livetube.tv/blog/slovakia-suspends-use-of-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-for-first-doses-after-blood-clot-linked-death-of-recipient
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 12, 2021, 03:32:23 PM
Slovakia suspends use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine for first doses after blood clot-linked death of recipient.
Canada's Ontario province halts use of AstraZeneca's Covid-19 vaccine after risk of blood clots proves higher than expected
As of today the following countries have suspended the use of AstraZeneca?s Covid-19 vaccine.
Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Bulgaria, The Democratic Republic of Congo, Ireland, The Netherlands, Indonesia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, Latvia, Slovenia, Sweden, Luxembourg and Thailand.
Regards


Following is an outline of countries that have restricted or suspended use of COVID-19 vaccines from AstraZeneca (AZN.L) and Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N), after Europe confirmed possible links to rare blood clots.

J&J and AstraZeneca have stated that no clear causal relationship has been established between the clots and their vaccines. The European Medicines Agency (EMA) has so far maintained that the benefits of both the shots outweigh any risks.

The EMA is also reviewing reports of a rare nerve-degenerating disorder in people who received the AstraZeneca shot.

REGIONS USING THE ASTRAZENECA VACCINE WITH RESTRICTIONS

AUSTRALIA

Recommended on April 8 that people under 50 should get Pfizer's (PFE.N) COVID-19 vaccine in preference to AstraZeneca's.

BRAZIL

Brazil suspended use in pregnant women nationally on May 11 after an expectant mother in Rio de Janeiro died.

BRITAIN

Officials said on May 7 people under 40 should be offered an alternative to the vaccine where possible, lifting the age limit by 10 years from Britain's previous recommendation.

BULGARIA

Suspended use of vaccine on April 19 for women below 60 years who are at increased risk of thrombosis.

CANADA

Said in early April it would pause offering the vaccine to people under 55. Several provinces are now offering the AstraZeneca vaccine to people aged 40 and over.

ESTONIA

Suspended use for people under 60 on April 7. read more

FRANCE

Is using vaccine only for people aged 55 and over. On April 9, recommended that people under 55 who have had a first dose of the AstraZeneca shot should receive a messenger RNA vaccine for their second dose.

FINLAND

Is using only for people aged 65 and over.

GEORGIA

Is using only in medical centres Russian news agency TASS reported on March 19. read more

GERMANY

Germany said on May 7 it would give the shot to all adults who want it. It previously restricted use to those aged over 60 and recommended a different second dose for those under 60. read more

INDONESIA

Is using the vaccine but has warned against giving it to people with a low blood platelet count.

IRELAND

The government agreed to allow use of AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines for people over 50 years old, Prime Minister Micheal Martin said on April 27. Had previously restricted use of AstraZeneca's vaccine to those over 60. read more

ITALY

Recommends use only for people over 60. read more

MALAYSIA

Began a parallel rollout last week for people to choose to receive the jab on a first-come, first-serve basis.

MEXICO

Drug regulator said on April 7 it did not "at this time" plan to limit the vaccine's use but was investigating the information raised by Britain.

NETHERLANDS

Said on April 8 it would limit use of the vaccine to people over 60.

NORTH MACEDONIA

Health minister said on March 31 the vaccine would be limited to people aged over 60 as a precautionary measure.

ONTARIO

The Canadian province said on May 11 it will stop offering first doses because of evidence that the risk of rare blood clots is somewhat higher than previously estimated. read more

PHILIPPINES

Said on April 19 it would resume administering the vaccine to under-60s after having temporarily suspended use on April 8.

SLOVAKIA

Health Ministry said on Tuesday it was suspending use for people getting their first doses, after experts reviewed the death of a recipient.

SOUTH KOREA

Resumed use of the shot for people aged 30 or older on April 12 after suspending use in under-60s on April 7.

SPAIN

Government said on April 30 it was extending the gap between the first and second doses of the vaccine to 16 weeks for people aged under 60. From April 8, Spain was giving the vaccine only to those over 60.

SWEDEN

Using for people aged 65 and older, while Swedes under 65 will be given an alternative to the AstraZeneca vaccine for their second dose.

REGIONS WHERE ASTRAZENECA VACCINE USE IS SUSPENDED

CAMEROON

Said on March 18 it was suspending administration of shots the country was due to receive. read more

DENMARK

Said on April 14 it would stop using the AstraZeneca vaccine, the first country to do so. On April 19, Ritzau news agency reported that authorities may permit people to choose to have the vaccine.

NORWAY

A government-appointed commission said on Monday Norway should exclude vaccines made by AstraZeneca and J&J from its inoculation programme. Had suspended administration of AstraZeneca's shot on March 11.

REGIONS USING J&J VACCINE WITH OR WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS

EUROPEAN UNION

J&J said on April 20 it will resume rolling out its COVID-19 vaccine in Europe with a warning on its label, after requesting countries, including Belgium, to pause the rollout.

FRANCE

Government said on April 21 that it plans to start using the vaccine the following week.

GERMANY

Is to make the J&J vaccine available to all adults, Health Minister Jens Spahn said on May 10.

GREECE

Plans to start rollout on May 5 after suspending vaccinations on April 19.

ITALY

Health ministry on April 20 recommended the vaccine be used for people over the age of 60. read more

NETHERLANDS

Resumed use of the vaccine from April 21.

POLAND

Started administering the J&J shot on April 15

SPAIN

Approved on Tuesday the use of the vaccine for people under the age of 60, Spanish El Pais newspaper reported. Spanish regions began using the vaccine to inoculate 70-79 year olds on April 22. [nL8N2MY77W]

SWEDEN

Extended pause on J&J vaccine on April 23, adding that the shots could be given to people aged 65 and above.

UNITED STATES

Resumed use on April 23, ending a 10-day pause to investigate possible link to extremely rare but potentially deadly blood clots.

REGIONS WHERE SUSPENSIONS CONTINUE ON J&J VACCINE

DENMARK

Denmark on May 3 became the first country to exclude the shots from its vaccination programme.

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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 13, 2021, 12:22:35 AM
CO CO for your information.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/15/which-countries-have-halted-use-of-astrazenecas-covid-vaccine
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 13, 2021, 06:27:22 AM
The United Nations would welcome the World Health Organization's approval of Russia's Sputnik V Covid-19 vaccine, UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres has said, while hailing the importance of the jab in tackling the pandemic.
The UN believes that Sputnik V is one of the key elements that will allow us to solve the vaccination problem, Guterres said following talks with Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Moscow on Wednesday.
Guterres also said that he's aware that WHO's process to approve the vaccine is ongoing.
The Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), which distributes the vaccine, had filed for accelerated registration of Sputnik V by the WHO in October last year.
However, the UN health agency still hasn't approved the Russian jab, despite its high efficacy of over 91% in trials, lack of significant side effects, and praise from the international scientific community. Research published in renowned British medical journal The Lancet earlier this year found Sputnik V was safe and effective, with all of the trial participants developing Covid fighting antibodies and none suffering serious side effects.

https://www.rt.com/russia/523652-un-sputnik-covid-who-lavrov/

Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 13, 2021, 12:29:06 PM
CO CO for your information.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/3/15/which-countries-have-halted-use-of-astrazenecas-covid-vaccine
Regards

Thanks Tassie....... I knew Thailand had not banned it  :)
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 13, 2021, 03:55:56 PM
 smilenod
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: dundeemk6 on May 13, 2021, 04:03:45 PM
Indeed = problem solved !!!
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 13, 2021, 05:44:54 PM

WATCH: Sen. Paul and Dr. Fauci clash over COVID-19 origins

https://saraacarter.com/watch-sen-paul-and-dr-fauci-clash-over-covid-19-origins/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=mixi&utm_campaign=saraacarter
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 14, 2021, 10:10:19 AM
Things dont look good !!!

https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2114879/no-money-left-to-ease-covid-blues?fbclid=IwAR2XNZg6yxzZWkps6heEyv6Ad1zG59pxMbGZK6kD6ut_WWJz_BRcEV4jmwI
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: fishsauce on May 14, 2021, 05:33:59 PM
Buriram makes Covid vaccines compulsory for high-risk groups

Buriram ordered people in high-risk groups to take coronavirus vaccine or face fine and jail time, the province announced this week.
The official order was annouced Thursday night.
The governor of each province has the authority to introduce Covid-prevention and restriction measures as they deem appropriate, according to the Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA), formed under the power of the state-of-emergency decree.
Buriram Governor Tatchakorn Hatthathayakulorder?s order states that every citizen over the age of 18 who lives and works in the province must fill an offline or online self-evaluation form and hand it in to the local health authority.
The local authority will then determine whether the person is considered to be at risk of Covid-19 infection.
If the person as considered to be at risk, they will have to be vaccinated on the date and time that the authority designates.
Refusal to fill the self-evaluation form can incur a fine of no more than 10,000 baht or jail for no more than one month.
A violator who refuses to be vaccinated could face a fine of no more than 40,000 baht or jail for no more than two years.

https://www.thaienquirer.com/27519/buriram-makes-covid-vaccines-compulsory-for-high-risk-groups/ (https://www.thaienquirer.com/27519/buriram-makes-covid-vaccines-compulsory-for-high-risk-groups/)
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 15, 2021, 04:13:51 PM
Well it will take a few to hold me down long enough to get that Chinese jab. Don?t think this order would hold up in the courts. Also, what?s the point. Get vaccine and you CAN still get and spread Covid. You just may be fortunate enough to not get AS sick with it. I?ll hold out for the moderna jab if possible. If not will have to wait til no more quarantine on return then I?ll get the series back home.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 15, 2021, 05:03:51 PM
As I was saying...
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 16, 2021, 01:22:47 PM
Well it will take a few to hold me down long enough to get that Chinese jab. Don?t think this order would hold up in the courts. Also, what?s the point. Get vaccine and you CAN still get and spread Covid. You just may be fortunate enough to not get AS sick with it. I?ll hold out for the moderna jab if possible. If not will have to wait til no more quarantine on return then I?ll get the series back home.

None of the vaccines have ever claimed to stop the spread of the virus or claimed that a vaccination will stop you getting the virus. It is simply to supress the symptoms and the feeling of being sick.

From reading the articles where people have tested positive after vaccination, most were not even aware they had it until they tested positive.

From reading some medical journals, it seems that all the vaccines have used the same basic virus to build their vaccines around. I really can't believe that any vaccine is likely any better or worse than the others. Remember that we are dealing with the pharmaceutical industry here. One of the most cut throat industries there is because of the money that there is to be made.

I would have to say that I believe any vaccine is better than no vaccine. Which ever one comes along first will be the one that I and my family will have.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: jmcet on May 16, 2021, 05:31:02 PM
due to my medical conditions I was advised by my doctor that I should take whatever vaccine is available as soon as possible. He told me that at 66 years old he has taken the Chinese one with no side effects.   
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 16, 2021, 07:38:52 PM
due to my medical conditions I was advised by my doctor that I should take whatever vaccine is available as soon as possible. He told me that at 66 years old he has taken the Chinese one with no side effects.


Friends in Lahansai had their first Sinovac jab last week.......no side-effects reported. One was aged 75.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 16, 2021, 07:43:27 PM
Well it will take a few to hold me down long enough to get that Chinese jab. Don?t think this order would hold up in the courts. Also, what?s the point. Get vaccine and you CAN still get and spread Covid. You just may be fortunate enough to not get AS sick with it. I?ll hold out for the moderna jab if possible. If not will have to wait til no more quarantine on return then I?ll get the series back home.

Whilst I am fairly sure this would not happen, just imagine if that requirement was picked up by Immigration.



NO EXTENSION WITHOUT A VACCINATION CERTIFICATE.


There are many people who believe that could happen  -  it doesn't need a goverrnor to make it compulsory, Immigration could achieve that at a stroke.



Then tell me that you need holding down 0 I suspect you would take that prick faster than a soi6 bar girl.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Mischka on May 16, 2021, 08:48:58 PM
 bravo1
smilenod
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 17, 2021, 12:24:19 PM
Co-co that was funny, really made me laugh. I just extended my stay for another year so plenty of time to figure it all out.

I definitely do believe in vaccines, those that are proven safe, and effective. I?ll be having it, but not yet and not sinovac.

My issue with this is the terms ?force? and jail. Not gonna happen. I do believe they will mandate immunization as a requirement to enter Thailand, as well as other countries, after there has been sufficient time and product availability. Quite understandable.

However, seeing what does come out of Chinese manufacturing makes me distrustful of their vaccine.

Just because it is a pharmaceutical company does not make it better than other Chinese manufacturing. Remember just recently there was a massive recall of meds that had been prepared with known carcinogens?  Trusting a pharmaceutical company because that?s what they make is like saying that someone is of the highest moral and ethical stature because he is king. Yes. Ok. Uh huh. Sure.



Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 17, 2021, 07:18:56 PM
Co-co that was funny, really made me laugh. I just extended my stay for another year so plenty of time to figure it all out.

I definitely do believe in vaccines, those that are proven safe, and effective. I?ll be having it, but not yet and not sinovac.

My issue with this is the terms ?force? and jail. Not gonna happen. I do believe they will mandate immunization as a requirement to enter Thailand, as well as other countries, after there has been sufficient time and product availability. Quite understandable.

However, seeing what does come out of Chinese manufacturing makes me distrustful of their vaccine.

Just because it is a pharmaceutical company does not make it better than other Chinese manufacturing. Remember just recently there was a massive recall of meds that had been prepared with known carcinogens?  Trusting a pharmaceutical company because that?s what they make is like saying that someone is of the highest moral and ethical stature because he is king. Yes. Ok. Uh huh. Sure.

So, we have one member who will take only the Russian vaccine. One that will not take the Chinese vaccine. Yet, I am yet to see any stories about vast numbers of people dropping down dead because of any of the vaccines available.

Neither have I seen any stories about a load of people testing positive for Covid after having been fully vaccinated.

The vaccines seem safe, a tiny %%% of people have developed blood clots. Even these figures are likely high as there are no figures stating how many people develop blood clots without having had a vaccine. The vaccines, all of them, appear effective too.

I believe the modern term is "Snowflake".
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Bob on May 17, 2021, 08:03:50 PM
"vast numbers of people dropping down dead because of any of the vaccines available."
True
"a tiny %%% of people have developed blood clots"
What if it will be you? Just take it, good luck.

There no reports of the same about Sputnik V (some other countries use it as well, if you do not believe Russian "propoganda". Just face it. Big Farma's need money and do not care about people.
Never did, never will do. 
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 17, 2021, 08:06:17 PM
" %%% of people have developed blood clots"
What if it will be you? Just take it, good luck.

There are risks everywhere. I can't think of anything that does not carry a risk. The risk from vaccines for Covid are miniscule.

Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Bob on May 17, 2021, 08:15:01 PM
God be with you, take what they have now available.

I will wait for Sputnik V. . Thai Government already made a deal with Russia to buy some. Will be available for money in private hospitals soon.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 18, 2021, 02:35:25 AM
I'm with you Bob, Sputnik V was not developed along the same lines as Big Pharma and has proven itself to be safe.
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 18, 2021, 03:03:33 AM
Hungary is one of the few countries using all the main Covid-19 vaccines. A study conducted by Budapest, based on the number of people who've been vaccinated and then been infected or died, shows good news for Russia's Sputnik V
Notably, the data suggested that Sputnik V has so far had the safest record of all the Covid-19 vaccines used in Hungary, the first EU member to begin vaccinating with the Russian vaccine despite the wait for approval from Brussels.
https://www.rt.com/russia/522084-hungary-vaccination-stats-sputnik
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 18, 2021, 07:21:57 AM
" %%% of people have developed blood clots"
What if it will be you? Just take it, good luck.

There are risks everywhere. I can't think of anything that does not carry a risk. The risk from vaccines for Covid are miniscule.


Less than the risk of clots from taking the contraceptive pill, and much less than the risk of DVT from flying.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 18, 2021, 07:47:20 AM
Expats to get vaccine app as Buriram threatens jail for anyone not complying with jab rollout mission

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/05/18/expats-to-get-app-vaccine-law-in-buriram/
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 18, 2021, 11:28:47 AM
The price gauging never stops for Big Pharma and its supporters.
Commercial option using Moderna not here in Thailand until October 2021 with a minor spat over government taxes on the importation of the vaccine.
Minister defends import taxes on vaccine
The plans were to offer the vaccine at a price of ฿3,000 to ฿3,500 per person including two doses, VAT and insurance although some confusion was created with recent reports when the Ministry of Public Health suggested the vaccine could be subject to a government tax.
In fact, the Minister of Public Health Anutin Charnvirakul defended the tax which is believed to apply to all imported vaccines at 14% of the cost as normal.
Cost of Sputnik V in India is 995 Indian Rupees = 427 Thai Baht.
Thailand will charge 3,500 Thai Baht for Moderna.  Moderna, Inc is an American pharmaceutical and biotechnology company based in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
The grand rip off still continues strong in Thailand.
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 18, 2021, 12:27:01 PM
The price gauging never stops for Big Pharma and its supporters.
Commercial option using Moderna not here in Thailand until October 2021 with a minor spat over government taxes on the importation of the vaccine.
Minister defends import taxes on vaccine
The plans were to offer the vaccine at a price of ฿3,000 to ฿3,500 per person including two doses, VAT and insurance although some confusion was created with recent reports when the Ministry of Public Health suggested the vaccine could be subject to a government tax.
In fact, the Minister of Public Health Anutin Charnvirakul defended the tax which is believed to apply to all imported vaccines at 14% of the cost as normal.
Cost of Sputnik V in India is 995 Indian Rupees = 427 Thai Baht.
Thailand will charge 3,500 Thai Baht for Moderna.  Moderna, Inc is an American pharmaceutical and biotechnology company based in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
The grand rip off still continues strong in Thailand.
Regards

Happy to pay 3,500 Baht.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 18, 2021, 12:28:39 PM
Co-co that was funny, really made me laugh. I just extended my stay for another year so plenty of time to figure it all out.

I definitely do believe in vaccines, those that are proven safe, and effective. I?ll be having it, but not yet and not sinovac.

My issue with this is the terms ?force? and jail. Not gonna happen. I do believe they will mandate immunization as a requirement to enter Thailand, as well as other countries, after there has been sufficient time and product availability. Quite understandable.

However, seeing what does come out of Chinese manufacturing makes me distrustful of their vaccine.

Just because it is a pharmaceutical company does not make it better than other Chinese manufacturing. Remember just recently there was a massive recall of meds that had been prepared with known carcinogens?  Trusting a pharmaceutical company because that?s what they make is like saying that someone is of the highest moral and ethical stature because he is king. Yes. Ok. Uh huh. Sure.

So, we have one member who will take only the Russian vaccine. One that will not take the Chinese vaccine. Yet, I am yet to see any stories about vast numbers of people dropping down dead because of any of the vaccines available.

Neither have I seen any stories about a load of people testing positive for Covid after having been fully vaccinated.

The vaccines seem safe, a tiny %%% of people have developed blood clots. Even these figures are likely high as there are no figures stating how many people develop blood clots without having had a vaccine. The vaccines, all of them, appear effective too.

I believe the modern term is "Snowflake".


+1
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 18, 2021, 12:31:54 PM
Expats to get vaccine app as Buriram threatens jail for anyone not complying with jab rollout mission

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/05/18/expats-to-get-app-vaccine-law-in-buriram/



Better than that.....


A Farang was told yesterday, by an IO in Buriram, that it will be a requirement to have a vaccination certificate to complete an annual extension.



I don't believe that will ever happen - but it shows the mentality at the moment.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 18, 2021, 12:59:05 PM
COCO,  I am interested  that you promote the idea that paying 3,500 baht for you is no problem  That's great for you but we are not living in an EXPAT  vacuum, because most Thailand people have only limited baht sources and I imagine that they would support the paying for a Covid V for only 427 Baht against 3,500 baht which you can afford.
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 18, 2021, 01:06:06 PM
I'm with you Bob, Sputnik V was not developed along the same lines as Big Pharma and has proven itself to be safe.
Regards

I have recently read an article in the Guardian about the trials of Sputnik.

There were 43 adverse events in those taking part. 4 of those taking part in the trials died.

Researchers said that these were nothing to do with the vaccine and used figures of other vaccine trials to compare the safety of Sputnik.

So, we don't believe anything the Chinese say but believe all that the Russians say? Doesn't really make sense.

What part of the Russian researchers studies do we believe? Is it the idea that the adverse effects and deaths were nothing to do with the vaccine or that fact that, if they were, the figures are similar to all other vaccines?
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 18, 2021, 01:14:59 PM
The Guardian is certainly not a great source for news, however we must keep an open mind.
Please provide the internet  link source.
Regards
 
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 18, 2021, 01:23:24 PM
The Guardian is certainly not a great source for news, however we must keep an open mind.
Please provide the internet  link source.
Regards

You don't like the source? That's as expected. Then you say "keep an open mind". Is saying that you will only take ONE vaccine as that is the only safe one really keeping an open mind?

You don't like my source so here is another.

https://euobserver.com/world/151483
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 18, 2021, 01:39:16 PM
" %%% of people have developed blood clots"
What if it will be you? Just take it, good luck.

There are risks everywhere. I can't think of anything that does not carry a risk. The risk from vaccines for Covid are miniscule.


Less than the risk of clots from taking the contraceptive pill, and much less than the risk of DVT from flying.

Is that the Russian, American, Chinese, British or EU contraceptive pill? If you fly Aeroflot is the risk of DVT lower?
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 18, 2021, 04:22:34 PM
Gerry, I never said that I didn't like your source, did I? You said, You don't like my source so here is another?. Thank you for your source, this, the first one you have provided, not another. Take a deep breath and relax because we are all entitled to our own opinions and I for one don't have to agree with you and vice versa. Take whatever Covid V jab you like, it's none of my business.
Regards

Four people recently died in Russia shortly after taking the Sputnik V anti-corona jab in previously unreported cases, which are being taken "seriously" by the EU regulator, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) in Amsterdam.
Six other Russians also had medical complications after taking the vaccine, according to internal case files from RosPotrebNadzor, a Russian body responsible for administering vaccinations, seen by EUobserver.
?    Several EU countries keen to buy and produce Russia's drug (Photo: imf.org)
Three of the deceased were women aged 51, 69, and 74.
The fourth one was not identified in the leaked files.
The deaths were heart, lung, or blood-sugar related and might or might not have been caused by Sputnik V, the dossier of Russian documents indicated.
The other six patients were younger men and women, one of whom was just 25.
They suffered a range of symptoms, including breathing difficulties, convulsions, swelling, muscle weakness, high blood pressure, headaches, dizziness, and fevers after their jabs.
The authenticity of one of the RosPotrebNadzor case files was officially confirmed by Denis Logunov, a senior virologist at the Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology in Moscow, which developed Sputnik V.
"I requested information about this case and ... obtained a response. This case is not fake," he told EUobserver on Wednesday (7 April), speaking of the 51-year old woman, who died suddenly after taking her second Sputnik V dose.
"The case was investigated. No association with vaccination was found," Logunov, who recently co-authored a paper on Sputnik V safety in British publication The Lancet, added.
One of the non-fatal cases was covered by a Russian regional newspaper, PLN Pskov.
But the newspaper issued the same caveat as Logunov.
"Conspiracy theorists please calm down. This terrible syndrome [an illness the patient contracted] could develop from any harmless vaccine," PLN Pskov said.
EUobserver independently identified three other patients in the leaked files via their social media accounts, while another one was identified as a nurse in a local hospital in Ulyanovsk, a city in western Russia.
It was not possible to confirm the deaths, as there is no open-source death registry in Russia.
The Russian Direct Investment Fund, an organ responsible for exporting Sputnik V, declined to comment.
But for its part, the EMA, which is currently screening Sputnik V for EU-wide approval, confirmed it had also seen the RosPotrebNadzor case files.
These were sent to the EU regulator by a Russian whistleblower, who asked to remain anonymous, rather than via normal channels however, according to an email by an EMA official dated 26 March and seen by this website.
"We can confirm that all reports are treated seriously by the EMA and assessed directly," an EMA spokeswoman told EUobserver on Thursday, referring to the RosPotrebNadzor files on deaths and other complications.
"In this particular case, the report hints to the safety of the vaccine, which is a fundamental aspect to be evaluated both during the ongoing rolling review and in the assessment subsequent to the filing of a marketing authorisation application. For this reason, we cannot comment at this stage on the facts narrated in the [RosPotrebNadzor] report," she added.
The EMA's review was also "based on results from laboratory studies and clinical studies in adults", it noted.
The total number of cases (10) in the leaked files was tiny compared to the millions of people who felt fine after taking Sputnik V.
"There is a problem with under-registration of side-effects of drugs in Russia in general," Vasily Vlassov, an epidemiologist at HSE University in Moscow, told EUobserver on Wednesday.
"All non-desirable effects connected in time with the use of the drug should be considered as a possible side-effect of the drug. It is a fundamental rule. Even death under a train should be considered," Vlassov, who co-wrote a study on Sputnik V in the British Medical Journal, said.
Raw nerves
The news on deaths after taking Sputnik V comes to light in a nervous atmosphere in Europe.
Some EU countries recently paused use of the British and Swedish-made AstraZeneca vaccine after isolated reports of blood clots.
And the general public felt alarmed, because pharmaceutical firms and regulators had rushed through vaccine approvals in the Covid-19 emergency, Judy Twigg, a professor of political science at Virginia Commonwealth University in the US, said.
"Even if the adverse events [in the RosPotrebNadzor files] weren't linked to the vaccine, they still should have been openly reported," she told EUobserver.
"Data on all vaccines should be subject to high levels of scrutiny in order to minimise the risk of compromising public trust," she added.
"Open, well-communicated assessment of adverse events, the risks they pose, and appropriate measures to mitigate those risks offer the best path toward that trust," Twigg said.
The RosPotrebNadzor revelation also comes amid political tension on vaccines.
Pausing the AstraZeneca jabs prompted accusations of post-Brexit EU harassment by some UK voices.
At the same time, Hungary has already started using Sputnik V despite the fact it has no EMA clearance.
And Austria, France, Germany, and Italy are in advanced talks with Russia on buying and joint production of its drug.
Vaccine geopolitics
The EMA, earlier this week, also told British newspaper the Financial Times it had ethical concerns about Russia's data-collection methods.
But amid Europe's appeals for fair play, the Kremlin is taking a strong line in defending its product from potential bad press.
"A scenario of information attack on Sputnik V is being prepared through controlled non-governmental organisations (the US Agency for International Development, Soros foundation, Thomson Reuters Foundation) and media structures (BBC, Reuters, Internews)," a "high-ranking Kremlin source" told Russia's Tass news agency in March.
"[The attack] aims to substantiate the promoted theses about the vaccine's 'inefficiency and danger' by faking mass deaths allegedly caused by the use of the medicine," the Kremlin source said.




Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 18, 2021, 04:36:50 PM
Gerry, I never said that I didn?t like your source, did I? You said, ?You don?t like my source so here is another?. Thank you for your source, this, the first one you have provided. Take a deep breath and relax because we are all entitled to our own opinions and I for one don?t have to agree with you and vice versa. Take whatever Covid V jab you like, it?s none of my business.
Regards

Four people recently died in Russia shortly after taking the Sputnik V anti-corona jab in previously unreported cases, which are being taken "seriously" by the EU regulator, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) in Amsterdam.
Six other Russians also had medical complications after taking the vaccine, according to internal case files from RosPotrebNadzor, a Russian body responsible for administering vaccinations, seen by EUobserver.
?    Several EU countries keen to buy and produce Russia's drug (Photo: imf.org)
Three of the deceased were women aged 51, 69, and 74.
The fourth one was not identified in the leaked files.
The deaths were heart, lung, or blood-sugar related and might or might not have been caused by Sputnik V, the dossier of Russian documents indicated.
The other six patients were younger men and women, one of whom was just 25.
They suffered a range of symptoms, including breathing difficulties, convulsions, swelling, muscle weakness, high blood pressure, headaches, dizziness, and fevers after their jabs.
The authenticity of one of the RosPotrebNadzor case files was officially confirmed by Denis Logunov, a senior virologist at the Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology in Moscow, which developed Sputnik V.
"I requested information about this case and ... obtained a response. This case is not fake," he told EUobserver on Wednesday (7 April), speaking of the 51-year old woman, who died suddenly after taking her second Sputnik V dose.
"The case was investigated. No association with vaccination was found," Logunov, who recently co-authored a paper on Sputnik V safety in British publication The Lancet, added.
One of the non-fatal cases was covered by a Russian regional newspaper, PLN Pskov.
But the newspaper issued the same caveat as Logunov.
"Conspiracy theorists please calm down. This terrible syndrome [an illness the patient contracted] could develop from any harmless vaccine," PLN Pskov said.
EUobserver independently identified three other patients in the leaked files via their social media accounts, while another one was identified as a nurse in a local hospital in Ulyanovsk, a city in western Russia.
It was not possible to confirm the deaths, as there is no open-source death registry in Russia.
The Russian Direct Investment Fund, an organ responsible for exporting Sputnik V, declined to comment.
But for its part, the EMA, which is currently screening Sputnik V for EU-wide approval, confirmed it had also seen the RosPotrebNadzor case files.
These were sent to the EU regulator by a Russian whistleblower, who asked to remain anonymous, rather than via normal channels however, according to an email by an EMA official dated 26 March and seen by this website.
"We can confirm that all reports are treated seriously by the EMA and assessed directly," an EMA spokeswoman told EUobserver on Thursday, referring to the RosPotrebNadzor files on deaths and other complications.
"In this particular case, the report hints to the safety of the vaccine, which is a fundamental aspect to be evaluated both during the ongoing rolling review and in the assessment subsequent to the filing of a marketing authorisation application. For this reason, we cannot comment at this stage on the facts narrated in the [RosPotrebNadzor] report," she added.
The EMA's review was also "based on results from laboratory studies and clinical studies in adults", it noted.
The total number of cases (10) in the leaked files was tiny compared to the millions of people who felt fine after taking Sputnik V.
"There is a problem with under-registration of side-effects of drugs in Russia in general," Vasily Vlassov, an epidemiologist at HSE University in Moscow, told EUobserver on Wednesday.
"All non-desirable effects connected in time with the use of the drug should be considered as a possible side-effect of the drug. It is a fundamental rule. Even death under a train should be considered," Vlassov, who co-wrote a study on Sputnik V in the British Medical Journal, said.
Raw nerves
The news on deaths after taking Sputnik V comes to light in a nervous atmosphere in Europe.
Some EU countries recently paused use of the British and Swedish-made AstraZeneca vaccine after isolated reports of blood clots.
And the general public felt alarmed, because pharmaceutical firms and regulators had rushed through vaccine approvals in the Covid-19 emergency, Judy Twigg, a professor of political science at Virginia Commonwealth University in the US, said.
"Even if the adverse events [in the RosPotrebNadzor files] weren't linked to the vaccine, they still should have been openly reported," she told EUobserver.
"Data on all vaccines should be subject to high levels of scrutiny in order to minimise the risk of compromising public trust," she added.
"Open, well-communicated assessment of adverse events, the risks they pose, and appropriate measures to mitigate those risks offer the best path toward that trust," Twigg said.
The RosPotrebNadzor revelation also comes amid political tension on vaccines.
Pausing the AstraZeneca jabs prompted accusations of post-Brexit EU harassment by some UK voices.
At the same time, Hungary has already started using Sputnik V despite the fact it has no EMA clearance.
And Austria, France, Germany, and Italy are in advanced talks with Russia on buying and joint production of its drug.
Vaccine geopolitics
The EMA, earlier this week, also told British newspaper the Financial Times it had ethical concerns about Russia's data-collection methods.
But amid Europe's appeals for fair play, the Kremlin is taking a strong line in defending its product from potential bad press.
"A scenario of information attack on Sputnik V is being prepared through controlled non-governmental organisations (the US Agency for International Development, Soros foundation, Thomson Reuters Foundation) and media structures (BBC, Reuters, Internews)," a "high-ranking Kremlin source" told Russia's Tass news agency in March.
"[The attack] aims to substantiate the promoted theses about the vaccine's 'inefficiency and danger' by faking mass deaths allegedly caused by the use of the medicine," the Kremlin source said.

I am very relaxed, thanks.

It is not I who is contradicting myself.

Pharma companies, Russian reasearchers and governments are all going to push their own vaccines. That is called propaganda. If you wish to believe that, so be it.

I prefer to look at facts. Maybe you could provide us with facts on how many people have died or got sick from each vaccine. I already know the answers but thought you may like to give us your version.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 18, 2021, 05:58:28 PM
I have not read the above posts but here is what the US Embassy said to me:

Good afternoon.  We have been in touch with the Buriram provincial officials regarding the May 13 mandate.  Per our conversation with them, we understand the following:
Buriram public health officials are currently asking residents and workers to complete a risk assessment form.
Buriram public health officials are evaluating the forms to determine who may be living in a high-risk area and might have COVID-19.
If Buriram public health officials determine a person lives in a high-risk area or a person is suspected of carrying COVID-19, then that person has two options: get vaccinated or risk paying a fine/jail time.
This action is legal in Thailand under the current Emergency Decree, although Buriram is the first province we understand to implement this measure.
 
Buriram officials cannot force you to take the vaccine and their hope is that people in the risk categories seriously consider getting vaccinated to curb the spread of the disease.  AstraZeneca, Sinovac Biotech, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson are approved for use in Thailand.
 
You can find the full mandate (in Thai) here: http://www.buriram.go.th/covid-19/command/command-13-2564.pdf.  We have also attached a flyer (in Thai) which notes the vaccines are not compulsory unless you are in a high-risk area.
 
The latest information from the Embassy regarding COVID-19 can be found here: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.
 
American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy, Bangkok
 
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 18, 2021, 06:01:36 PM
I have not read the above posts but here is what the US Embassy said to me:

Good afternoon.  We have been in touch with the Buriram provincial officials regarding the May 13 mandate.  Per our conversation with them, we understand the following:
Buriram public health officials are currently asking residents and workers to complete a risk assessment form.
Buriram public health officials are evaluating the forms to determine who may be living in a high-risk area and might have COVID-19.
If Buriram public health officials determine a person lives in a high-risk area or a person is suspected of carrying COVID-19, then that person has two options: get vaccinated or risk paying a fine/jail time.
This action is legal in Thailand under the current Emergency Decree, although Buriram is the first province we understand to implement this measure.
 
Buriram officials cannot force you to take the vaccine and their hope is that people in the risk categories seriously consider getting vaccinated to curb the spread of the disease.  AstraZeneca, Sinovac Biotech, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson are approved for use in Thailand.
 
You can find the full mandate (in Thai) here: http://www.buriram.go.th/covid-19/command/command-13-2564.pdf.  We have also attached a flyer (in Thai) which notes the vaccines are not compulsory unless you are in a high-risk area.
 
The latest information from the Embassy regarding COVID-19 can be found here: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.
 
American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy, Bangkok
 

Bullshit answer from the US embassy.


About as useful as the British embassy.


What happens on the ground (not on a flyer) is what happens.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 18, 2021, 06:09:45 PM
COCO,  I am interested  that you promote the idea that paying 3,500 baht for you is no problem  That's great for you but we are not living in an EXPAT  vacuum, because most Thailand people have only limited baht sources and I imagine that they would support the paying for a Covid V for only 427 Baht against 3,500 baht which you can afford.
Regards


Everyone is entitled to a free vaccine.


I am not sure what your point is.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on May 18, 2021, 06:12:57 PM
I have not read the above posts but here is what the US Embassy said to me:

Good afternoon.  We have been in touch with the Buriram provincial officials regarding the May 13 mandate.  Per our conversation with them, we understand the following:
Buriram public health officials are currently asking residents and workers to complete a risk assessment form.
Buriram public health officials are evaluating the forms to determine who may be living in a high-risk area and might have COVID-19.
If Buriram public health officials determine a person lives in a high-risk area or a person is suspected of carrying COVID-19, then that person has two options: get vaccinated or risk paying a fine/jail time.
This action is legal in Thailand under the current Emergency Decree, although Buriram is the first province we understand to implement this measure.
 
Buriram officials cannot force you to take the vaccine and their hope is that people in the risk categories seriously consider getting vaccinated to curb the spread of the disease.  AstraZeneca, Sinovac Biotech, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson are approved for use in Thailand.
 
You can find the full mandate (in Thai) here: http://www.buriram.go.th/covid-19/command/command-13-2564.pdf.  We have also attached a flyer (in Thai) which notes the vaccines are not compulsory unless you are in a high-risk area.
 
The latest information from the Embassy regarding COVID-19 can be found here: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.
 
American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy, Bangkok
 

Bullshit answer from the US embassy.


About as useful as the British embassy.


What happens on the ground (not on a flyer) is what happens.

I spoke to my wife about this mandate in Buriram. I asked why us first. She explained a little about the politics in Buriram. From what I gather the guy that owns the football team is quite powerful.

That would explain a lot. He wants stadiums and race tracks open and full of paying customers no doubt. What better way to get that done than to be a vaccination leader.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 18, 2021, 06:51:59 PM
I have not read the above posts but here is what the US Embassy said to me:

Good afternoon.  We have been in touch with the Buriram provincial officials regarding the May 13 mandate.  Per our conversation with them, we understand the following:
Buriram public health officials are currently asking residents and workers to complete a risk assessment form.
Buriram public health officials are evaluating the forms to determine who may be living in a high-risk area and might have COVID-19.
If Buriram public health officials determine a person lives in a high-risk area or a person is suspected of carrying COVID-19, then that person has two options: get vaccinated or risk paying a fine/jail time.
This action is legal in Thailand under the current Emergency Decree, although Buriram is the first province we understand to implement this measure.
 
Buriram officials cannot force you to take the vaccine and their hope is that people in the risk categories seriously consider getting vaccinated to curb the spread of the disease.  AstraZeneca, Sinovac Biotech, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson are approved for use in Thailand.
 
You can find the full mandate (in Thai) here: http://www.buriram.go.th/covid-19/command/command-13-2564.pdf.  We have also attached a flyer (in Thai) which notes the vaccines are not compulsory unless you are in a high-risk area.
 
The latest information from the Embassy regarding COVID-19 can be found here: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.
 
American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy, Bangkok
 

Bullshit answer from the US embassy.


About as useful as the British embassy.


What happens on the ground (not on a flyer) is what happens.

I spoke to my wife about this mandate in Buriram. I asked why us first. She explained a little about the politics in Buriram. From what I gather the guy that owns the football team is quite powerful.

That would explain a lot. He wants stadiums and race tracks open and full of paying customers no doubt. What better way to get that done than to be a vaccination leader.


Similar to Phuket who are totally dependent on tourists.

No vaccination, or Covid-free certificate with 72 hours, NO ENTRY.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: DeputyDavid on May 19, 2021, 07:46:14 AM
I have not read the above posts but here is what the US Embassy said to me:

Good afternoon.  We have been in touch with the Buriram provincial officials regarding the May 13 mandate.  Per our conversation with them, we understand the following:
Buriram public health officials are currently asking residents and workers to complete a risk assessment form.
Buriram public health officials are evaluating the forms to determine who may be living in a high-risk area and might have COVID-19.
If Buriram public health officials determine a person lives in a high-risk area or a person is suspected of carrying COVID-19, then that person has two options: get vaccinated or risk paying a fine/jail time.
This action is legal in Thailand under the current Emergency Decree, although Buriram is the first province we understand to implement this measure.
 
Buriram officials cannot force you to take the vaccine and their hope is that people in the risk categories seriously consider getting vaccinated to curb the spread of the disease.  AstraZeneca, Sinovac Biotech, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson are approved for use in Thailand.
 
You can find the full mandate (in Thai) here: http://www.buriram.go.th/covid-19/command/command-13-2564.pdf.  We have also attached a flyer (in Thai) which notes the vaccines are not compulsory unless you are in a high-risk area.
 
The latest information from the Embassy regarding COVID-19 can be found here: https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.
 
American Citizen Services
U.S. Embassy, Bangkok
 

Bullshit answer from the US embassy.


About as useful as the British embassy.


What happens on the ground (not on a flyer) is what happens.

Oh their first answer was ?your concerns have been noted.?  The above was the response when I sad a canned response was not acceptable!
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 22, 2021, 10:38:58 AM
From Richard Barrow in Thailand Facebook Group
Quote
?According to announcement from government I need to inform you that we need to cancel all expats in Thailand even you have Social Security for Vaccination Covid-19. Due to the Vaccine is not enough for now, so we will give to Thai citizen first. We apologize for inconvenience.?
👆The above is an extract from a letter to editor in today?s Bangkok Post.
My thoughts which I tweeted in response:
✅ I?ve been paying tax & social security contributions for many years and I?m perplexed why I and other expats are being treated differently. I always knew Thais were nationalistic. But a global pandemic is not the time for a ?Thais first? attitude. I will not forget.
✅ The excuse that the vaccination registration system is not ready to enter details about foreigners is just not true. Like in my case, the google form even had a field to enter our nationality and passport number. But later, someone in the health department decided ?Thais first?.

NOT THAT I WAS INTENDING TO GET VACCINATED  ...Only If it became mandatory by law to say here
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 22, 2021, 11:33:43 AM
You must have waited several days to find some negative reporting!   jumping1


So do you think the issue is with that hospital - or Thailand in general?
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 22, 2021, 11:36:35 AM

PR Thai Government
 
Updates on vaccine registration for foreign nationals in Thailand

Read more: https://twitter.com/natapanun/status/1395625144647704576...



Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 22, 2021, 11:39:50 AM
IT?S OFFICIAL: FOREIGNERS CAN REGISTER FOR COVID-19 VACCINATIONS NEXT MONTH
By Tappanai Boonbandit, Staff Reporter -May 21, 2021 2:30 pm


BANGKOK ? The government?s pandemic response center on Friday said foreign nationals living in Thailand can begin registering for COVID-19 vaccinations next month.

Starting June 7, foreigners will be able to sign up for free inoculations in person at designated hospitals using their social security number or passport, spokesman Natapanu Nopakun said. In Bangkok, the venues are Vimut Hospital and Bangrak Health Center, while those living in the provinces will need to register at the hospital which has their health records, he said.

?Thailand attaches utmost importance to vaccinating everyone according to their level of risk, regardless of nationality,? Natapanu said. ?We practice what we pledged. No one is safe until everyone is vaccinated.?




https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/crimecourtscalamity/2021/05/21/its-official-foreigners-can-register-for-covid-19-vaccine-next-month/
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 22, 2021, 04:13:37 PM
You must have waited several days to find some negative reporting!   jumping1


So do you think the issue is with that hospital - or Thailand in general?

I think I wont be getting it either way , I just posted info from  Richard Barrow, if you dont like what he says go and whinge on there !!  spot1
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on May 22, 2021, 05:07:24 PM
A nice You Tube for some of the Cult Members on here  :biggrin:

http://youtu.be/U77MA42hrHA
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on May 22, 2021, 05:39:13 PM
Very entertaining but so true.
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on May 22, 2021, 06:15:41 PM
You must have waited several days to find some negative reporting!   jumping1


So do you think the issue is with that hospital - or Thailand in general?

I think I wont be getting it either way , I just posted info from  Richard Barrow, if you dont like what he says go and whinge on there !!  spot1

Not whinging. Just pointing out his myopic view - and balancing that with the official version.


It affects you not as you are a non-vaxer.. I can understand you being scared of vaccines but you do seem to be dragging every bit of 'negative' report you can find.


As I said Alan, I have no issue with those who don't want the vaccine - and in your case, like many rural Farangs, you pretty much self-isolate anyway. The risks of you picking up the virus and, more importantly, passing it on - are remote.

But, vaccinations are the declared way of getting life and commerce back towards normality so I am happy to go along with that.

One example where it affected me was with a proposed trip to Khao Lak next month (via Phuket). Their recent requirement to have had 2 jabs or a Civid-free certificate (which would cost me 2 x 3,700 Baht). I decided to sacrifice the 6,000 Baht for airfares instead.

Fortunately, I got lucky with Air Asia cancelling the Utapao/Phuket flight so I get my money back. It just highlights the necessity for vaccination if you want, or have a need, to travel.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: dimple joe on May 30, 2021, 07:49:42 AM
A bloke has caught the Indian variant.
He is pretty bad,
in fact he is in a Korma
They say he will be ok as long as he has a pun jab


 surrender1
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on May 30, 2021, 09:27:48 AM
Heard people are travelling from Bangkok to obtain the vaccine on demand at i-mobile.. Seemingly no questions asked.  BUT, they are arriving and returning...no checks,.. no 14 day self isolating. Putting at risk all in Buriram who are out and about! Anybody have local contacts to pass this info on to?
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Pichai on May 30, 2021, 10:58:12 AM
The first vaccine is given at the Chang International Racetrack. I sure was asked where I live and I had documents (yellow house book, Pink ID card, Buriram Government Hospital patient card, Thai Drivers License, stamps from BURIRAM Immigration in my Passport)to prove my current address. This does not mean a Buriram native has a blue book showing a Buriram address, but they currently work or live in another province.
 I am now told that the sign up tent was near McDonalds, but I personally did not see it last week on Monday or Wednesday. Could be my bad vision. Perhaps other Buriram Expat Forum members who have participated in the 1st shot at Chang International can post what they believe they had to show to obtain the A4 appointment document with a queue number out at the "Complex".  They might also post where they signed up for the appointment.  I went to the "racetrack" because three different Thai people said "just go to the racetrack".  However it was closed last Monday at the racetrack. I did not have a spouse or translator with me so there might be "more to the story" on the procedures.  Mr. Bob.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Pichai on June 01, 2021, 04:54:10 PM
I drove into the racetrack parking lot this Tuesday morning. It seemed orderly. The sign translation I received was "please show appointment paper". When the Buriram Government hospital was phoned this morning, I am told that first shot patients must book in advance via "village health volunteers" known as Ao Sor Mor.  Mr. Phi Chai receives his 2nd covid 19 vaccination on Thursday. I've run into a customer today who had already received his 2nd vaccination in Buriram. If I get real info on when Moderna or John & Johnson are really available in Buriram I will post. Be Safe, Mr. Bob.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Thai Bart on June 03, 2021, 10:20:52 AM
Thanks Bob for the info. Keep up the good work.
Regards
Bart
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: BillH52 on June 03, 2021, 11:48:21 AM
I drove into the racetrack parking lot this Tuesday morning. It seemed orderly. The sign translation I received was "please show appointment paper". When the Buriram Government hospital was phoned this morning, I am told that first shot patients must book in advance via "village health volunteers" known as Ao Sor Mor.  Mr. Phi Chai receives his 2nd covid 19 vaccination on Thursday. I've run into a customer today who had already received his 2nd vaccination in Buriram. If I get real info on when Moderna or John & Johnson are really available in Buriram I will post. Be Safe, Mr. Bob.
Good news!  The vaccine you received on June 1st was approved by WHO for emergency use on June 2nd.  You should be ok.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on June 04, 2021, 10:17:47 AM
I drove into the racetrack parking lot this Tuesday morning. It seemed orderly. The sign translation I received was "please show appointment paper". When the Buriram Government hospital was phoned this morning, I am told that first shot patients must book in advance via "village health volunteers" known as Ao Sor Mor.  Mr. Phi Chai receives his 2nd covid 19 vaccination on Thursday. I've run into a customer today who had already received his 2nd vaccination in Buriram. If I get real info on when Moderna or John & Johnson are really available in Buriram I will post. Be Safe, Mr. Bob.

Good news!  The vaccine you received on June 1st was approved by WHO for emergency use on June 2nd.  You should be ok.


There was never any doubt about that.


Looks like Pfizer is one to avoid.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Pichai on June 07, 2021, 02:46:36 PM
I believe, based on messages from two friends, in Satuk, that the AstraZeneca Covid 19 vaccination is in wide distribution and readily available at Government hospitals as of today. This morning in the Satuk Government hospital two friends, and their respective wives, waited a very short time to receive their first shot of AstraZeneca. I am told that both expats booked in advance via "village health volunteers" known as Ao Sor Mor. I went to that hospital for a different medical reason on Sunday afternoon and I also asked about Covid 19 vaccinations., They directed me to a small building with signs to the left of the Satuk main hospital to obtain more information for the vaccination process in the city of Satuk.  FYI, both of my friends are over the age of 50, yet both of their respective Thai wives, look to me to be under the age of 50.  Thank you.  Mr. Bob in Satuk.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on June 11, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
I believe, based on messages from two friends, in Satuk, that the AstraZeneca Covid 19 vaccination is in wide distribution and readily available at Government hospitals as of today. This morning in the Satuk Government hospital two friends, and their respective wives, waited a very short time to receive their first shot of AstraZeneca. I am told that both expats booked in advance via "village health volunteers" known as Ao Sor Mor. I went to that hospital for a different medical reason on Sunday afternoon and I also asked about Covid 19 vaccinations., They directed me to a small building with signs to the left of the Satuk main hospital to obtain more information for the vaccination process in the city of Satuk.  FYI, both of my friends are over the age of 50, yet both of their respective Thai wives, look to me to be under the age of 50.  Thank you.  Mr. Bob in Satuk.

I have just found out that one of our family, who lives in Prakonchai, has been told that the teachers at her school have received the Astra Zeneca jabs today.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on June 12, 2021, 03:47:38 PM
EU drugs regulator lists another rare blood condition as possible AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine side effect
The European Medicines Agency?s (EMA) safety committee has added another rare blood condition to the potential side effects of AstraZeneca?s vaccine, as the UK regulator weighs precautionary advice over capillary leak syndrome.
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on June 12, 2021, 05:25:20 PM
EU drugs regulator lists another rare blood condition as possible AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine side effect
The European Medicines Agency?s (EMA) safety committee has added another rare blood condition to the potential side effects of AstraZeneca?s vaccine, as the UK regulator weighs precautionary advice over capillary leak syndrome.
Regards

More bias from Tassie. Not telling the whole story.

Here is a quote from an article about the latest developments : "MHRA Chief Executive June Raine said that two of eight reports of capillary leak syndrome following AstraZeneca vaccination were in people with a history of the condition, and 40 million doses of the vaccine had been given.

"The incidence of these reports is lower than the number of cases expected to occur by chance in the absence of vaccination of this extremely rare condition and the current evidence does not suggest that capillary leak syndrome is caused by the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca," she said.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on June 12, 2021, 06:07:01 PM
More bias from Gerry. Don't  like the research, feel free to ignore it.
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on June 12, 2021, 06:10:03 PM
More bias from Gerry. Don't  like the research, feel free to ignore it.
Regards

No bias.

I have not ignored the research. In fact I quoted it.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on June 12, 2021, 09:30:18 PM
More bias from Gerry. Don't  like the research, feel free to ignore it.
Regards


You do understand that "research" is hugely supportive of vaccines, don't you ?


Let's try this research summary from WHO:-

Vaccines save millions of lives each year. Vaccines work by training and preparing the body?s natural defences ? the immune system ? to recognize and fight off the viruses and bacteria they target. After vaccination, if the body is later exposed to those disease-causing germs, the body is immediately ready to destroy them, preventing illness.

There are several safe and effective vaccines that prevent people from getting seriously ill or dying from COVID-19. This is one part of managing COVID-19, in addition to the main preventive measures of staying at least 1 metre away from others, covering a cough or sneeze in your elbow, frequently cleaning your hands, wearing a mask and avoiding poorly ventilated rooms or opening a window.

As of 3 June 2021, WHO has evaluated that the following vaccines against COVID-19 have met the necessary criteria for safety and efficacy:

AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine
Johnson and Johnson
Moderna
Pfizer/BionTech
Sinopharm
Sinovac
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: ChuckNorris on June 13, 2021, 12:44:15 PM
EU drugs regulator lists another rare blood condition as possible AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine side effect
The European Medicines Agency?s (EMA) safety committee has added another rare blood condition to the potential side effects of AstraZeneca?s vaccine, as the UK regulator weighs precautionary advice over capillary leak syndrome.
Regards

I have had my two doses of Astra Zeneca. I, like many people I know who have also had it, have had no side effects.

To be honest, there has hardly been any bad press here in UK regarding any of the major Covid19 vaccines.

I had more than the weekly recommended amount of alcohol last night alone. Statistically putting myself at more risk of health problems than having a Covid19 vaccine. Am I going to stop drinking? Not likely.  party4
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: davureborn on June 14, 2021, 09:38:37 AM
WHO very quietly removed the statement that you can get Covid from surfaces. (I think it was one chance in 10 000 or something).
So hand sanitisers are just symbols of something being done.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200903/coronavirus-on-surfaces-whats-the-real-risk
Last time I looked there were 27 scientific studies showing that masks are of little use in protecting yourself. How come I can smell a x through the mask? OP doctors and nurses will tell you that they wear masks to avoid being spattered with blood and stuff. If you have Covid without realising it, the air you breathe in will eventually escape through the mask.
The only reason I can think of to want to be vaccinated would be when I want to travel. Maybe immigration will insist at some point.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/330000-americans-die-china-coronavirus-closer-20000-died-china-coronavirus/
I am not a conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on June 14, 2021, 11:42:21 AM
EU drugs regulator lists another rare blood condition as possible AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine side effect
The European Medicines Agency?s (EMA) safety committee has added another rare blood condition to the potential side effects of AstraZeneca?s vaccine, as the UK regulator weighs precautionary advice over capillary leak syndrome.
Regards

I have had my two doses of Astra Zeneca. I, like many people I know who have also had it, have had no side effects.

To be honest, there has hardly been any bad press here in UK regarding any of the major Covid19 vaccines.

I had more than the weekly recommended amount of alcohol last night alone. Statistically putting myself at more risk of health problems than having a Covid19 vaccine. Am I going to stop drinking? Not likely.  party4


I think you will slot in quite easily Chuck  thumbup
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on June 14, 2021, 11:45:19 AM
WHO very quietly removed the statement that you can get Covid from surfaces. (I think it was one chance in 10 000 or something).
So hand sanitisers are just symbols of something being done.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200903/coronavirus-on-surfaces-whats-the-real-risk
Last time I looked there were 27 scientific studies showing that masks are of little use in protecting yourself. How come I can smell a x through the mask? OP doctors and nurses will tell you that they wear masks to avoid being spattered with blood and stuff. If you have Covid without realising it, the air you breathe in will eventually escape through the mask.
The only reason I can think of to want to be vaccinated would be when I want to travel. Maybe immigration will insist at some point.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/330000-americans-die-china-coronavirus-closer-20000-died-china-coronavirus/
I am not a conspiracy theorist.


So, what are you actually scared of ?
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: davureborn on June 15, 2021, 08:20:34 AM
So, what are you actually scared of ?

Pardon? Scared of what, where?
Universal vaccines aren't necessary amd may be more dangerous than covid. Masks are an unnecessary imposition.

Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMAq9gwxpQ&ab_channel=ForbesBreakingNewsForbesBreakingNewsVerified
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on June 15, 2021, 12:45:49 PM


So, what are you actually scared of ?


Pardon? Scared of what, where?
Universal vaccines aren't necessary amd may be more dangerous than covid. Masks are an unnecessary imposition.

Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMAq9gwxpQ&ab_channel=ForbesBreakingNewsForbesBreakingNewsVerified


Bullshit!


The 50% increase in numbers at the crematorium I own was down to Covid - and not a single one down to any vaccine.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: gotlost on June 15, 2021, 01:01:17 PM


So, what are you actually scared of ?


Pardon? Scared of what, where?
Universal vaccines aren't necessary amd may be more dangerous than covid. Masks are an unnecessary imposition.

Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMAq9gwxpQ&ab_channel=ForbesBreakingNewsForbesBreakingNewsVerified


Bullshit!


The 50% increase in numbers at the crematorium I own was down to Covid - and not a single one down to any vaccine.


+1
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: ChuckNorris on June 15, 2021, 04:28:55 PM
So, what are you actually scared of ?

Pardon? Scared of what, where?
Universal vaccines aren't necessary amd may be more dangerous than covid. Masks are an unnecessary imposition.

Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMAq9gwxpQ&ab_channel=ForbesBreakingNewsForbesBreakingNewsVerified

That is a strange comment. Vaccines more dangerous than the virus itself.

I believe that, from a population of around 65 million, there have been about 120000 deaths related to Covid19 in UK. I fully understand that these figures could be above what they should be as some patients may well have succumbed to existing illnesses.

However, below are the latest vaccine figures. I wonder, Davureborn, if you mat be able to supply us with the deaths from vaccine figures.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on June 15, 2021, 05:27:18 PM
When will this ever end ??  loco
If nearly a third of the people in the UK are dying from the 'Indian variant' had already been vaccinated, what was the point of the vaccination??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681613/Study-shows-29-people-died-catching-new-strain-vaccinations.html
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: ChuckNorris on June 15, 2021, 05:45:08 PM
When will this ever end ??  loco
If nearly a third of the people in the UK are dying from the 'Indian variant' had already been vaccinated, what was the point of the vaccination??

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9681613/Study-shows-29-people-died-catching-new-strain-vaccinations.html

Maybe you could start by reading the whole story and others.

How about the figures of those who have been admitted to hospital? Only 5% had had 2 doses.

Even after having had a double dose, effectiveness continues to rise. If I had my second dose toady it does not mean I am fully vaccinated. I can't remember the time scale but I think it is in the region of a couple of weeks. Hence the recent delay in lifting restrictions further. This gives the vaccine rollout time to expand further and for more people to have better protection as they have been fully vaccinate for longer.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Mod on June 17, 2021, 01:05:23 PM
This is post by Tassie. I move to here I think is better.

The Bat
And so the cookie starts to crumble... Daylight killers...
The masks begin to fall off!
"The Chinese biological laboratory in Wuhan is owned by Glaxosmithkline,
which (accidentally) owns Pfizer!" (the one who makes the vaccine against
the virus which was (accidentally) started at the Wuhan Biological Lab and
which was (accidentally) funded by Dr. Fauci, who (accidentally) promotes
the vaccine!
 
"GlaxoSmithKline is (accidentally) managed by the finance division of Black
Rock, which (accidentally) manages the finances of the Open Foundation
Company (Soros Foundation), which (accidentally) manages the French AXA!
"Soros (accidentally) owns the German company Winterthur, which
(accidentally) built a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan and was bought by the
German Allianz, which (coincidentally) has Vanguard as a shareholder, who
(coincidentally) is a shareholder of Black Rock," which (coincidentally)
controls central banks and manages about a third of global investment
capital.
 
"Black Rock" is also (coincidentally) a major shareholder of MICROSOFT,
owned by Bill Gates, who (coincidentally) is a shareholder of Pfizer (which
- remember - Sells a miracle vaccine and (coincidentally) is now the first
sponsor of the 'WHO!
 
Now you understand how a dead bat sold in a wet market in China has infected
the ?WHOLE WORLD! " :)
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on June 17, 2021, 01:14:39 PM
This is post by Tassie. I move to here I think is better.

The Bat
And so the cookie starts to crumble... Daylight killers...
The masks begin to fall off!
"The Chinese biological laboratory in Wuhan is owned by Glaxosmithkline,
which (accidentally) owns Pfizer!" (the one who makes the vaccine against
the virus which was (accidentally) started at the Wuhan Biological Lab and
which was (accidentally) funded by Dr. Fauci, who (accidentally) promotes
the vaccine!
 
"GlaxoSmithKline is (accidentally) managed by the finance division of Black
Rock, which (accidentally) manages the finances of the Open Foundation
Company (Soros Foundation), which (accidentally) manages the French AXA!
"Soros (accidentally) owns the German company Winterthur, which
(accidentally) built a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan and was bought by the
German Allianz, which (coincidentally) has Vanguard as a shareholder, who
(coincidentally) is a shareholder of Black Rock," which (coincidentally)
controls central banks and manages about a third of global investment
capital.
 
"Black Rock" is also (coincidentally) a major shareholder of MICROSOFT,
owned by Bill Gates, who (coincidentally) is a shareholder of Pfizer (which
- remember - Sells a miracle vaccine and (coincidentally) is now the first
sponsor of the 'WHO!
 
Now you understand how a dead bat sold in a wet market in China has infected
the ?WHOLE WORLD! " :)
Regards

You need to rearch your findings a little before posting. That was you would not look foolish. This was doing the rounds about 6 months ago. A simple search will find a load of myth buster sites that prove it wrong. Also a simple search of company history of all companies mentioned will too. How many do you want?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/does-glaxo-own-the-wuhan-lab/?fbclid=IwAR2W3XeAf2YP2JMHQ2tUqZFfoATIf0URD0yXfxlgqsMLMOJi-CzFvfCvkbc

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wuhan-lab-idUSKBN28R2UK

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/30/fact-check-wuhan-lab-vaccine-research-affiliates-not-linked/4086363001/

https://www.indiatoday.in/fact-check/story/fact-check-conspiracy-theory-falsely-accuses-pharma-company-behind-covid-outbreak-and-vaccine-1802143-2021-05-13

https://www.mythdetector.ge/en/myth/who-does-wuhan-institute-virology-belong-and-it-connected-george-soros-and-bill-gates

That should do it for now.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Tassie on June 17, 2021, 03:48:45 PM
Many thanks Gerry.
Regards
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: mudcat on June 23, 2021, 12:44:59 PM
Not sure how many U.S. citizens are on here, and whether they are the Embassy's mailing list, so I copy here

To My Fellow Americans in Thailand,

 

In the past few weeks, many of you have asked about the availability of vaccines in Thailand.  I want you to know that I hear you and understand your concerns.  I am providing you with an update on the actions our government is taking to ensure you have access to vaccines.

 

The Biden-Harris Administration has embarked on a global effort to address this pandemic by sharing 80 million vaccine doses worldwide by the end of June and 500 million more in the coming year.  The first 25 million of these doses will soon be released, with seven million going to countries in Asia, including Thailand.  We continue to advocate with the Royal Thai Government for fair access to vaccines by our citizens.  We are heartened by Thai government commitments to vaccinate Americans and other foreign nationals who reside here, just as Thai and other nationals are receiving vaccinations with ease in the United States.

 

The U.S. diplomatic mission has not been spared by COVID-19, as several families in our community have endured tragedies from this terrible pandemic.  Across the world, many countries are grappling with surges in COVID-19 cases and emerging variants among largely unvaccinated populations, requiring this crisis to be resolved on a global basis.  Our government is therefore taking a methodical, equitable, and science-based approach to direct vaccine doses to the most seriously afflicted countries.

 

The U.S. Department of State is unable to provide vaccines to the millions of Americans who reside outside of the United States.  For those who wish to return to the United States to be vaccinated, information on vaccine availability at the state level is available at www.vaccines.gov.  Meanwhile, as Thailand pursues its vaccination program, I will continue to advocate for your equitable access, keeping in mind that many Thai citizens are also waiting for their own vaccines.  I welcome your personal experiences with vaccination conditions in your area, and have set up a new email account (covidbkk@state.gov) to receive your submissions.  We continue to provide updated information on COVID-19 on our Embassy webpage at https://th.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/covid-19-information/.  We will work with the Thai government to ensure you are served in line with their goal to vaccinate all residents without regard to nationality.

 

The United States has made significant progress in fighting this pandemic, but I agree with you that the work is far from done.  I am optimistic that vaccine availability in Thailand will increase as the fruits of American technology are made available to the world.  Our own health agencies here in Thailand continue to work side-by-side with Thai colleagues to develop vaccines and therapeutics to defeat this pandemic over the long term.

 

I will remain in touch with you in the days and weeks ahead as the situation develops.

 

With best regards,

 

Michael Heath

Charge d?Affaires

Embassy of the United States of America

 

This letter can be found on our website: https://th.usembassy.gov/a-message-to-american-citizens-in-thailand-from-charge-daffaires-michael-heath/
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: DeputyDavid on June 24, 2021, 06:55:34 AM
Due to new Covid clusters in Bangkok, they are talking about lockdown for 7 days. This according to Buriram radio.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on June 24, 2021, 07:09:20 AM
 redman party16
Due to new Covid clusters in Bangkok, they are talking about lockdown for 7 days. This according to Buriram radio.


As impossible as that would be to enforce, Bangkok (or certainly several areas) should have perhaps been locked down a month ago.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Prakhonchai Nick on June 24, 2021, 10:37:15 AM
Heard last evening of still more people visiting Buriram from Pattaya and Bangkok. No checks, no tests and no isolation. Seems nobody cares at all. All talk. And what about the Buriram governor's demand that all in Buriram get vaccinated? Not much help being provided to get that done!
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on June 24, 2021, 12:19:42 PM
 runningdog
Heard last evening of still more people visiting Buriram from Pattaya and Bangkok. No checks, no tests and no isolation. Seems nobody cares at all. All talk. And what about the Buriram governor's demand that all in Buriram get vaccinated? Not much help being provided to get that done!


You are doing better than we are in Chonburi.


You could have been vaccinated by now had you (like many on here) turned up at the International Circuit.


Down here people can't even get registered........ I least I am registered with Buriram IC.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Wozza on June 24, 2021, 04:34:10 PM
The Wifes family just got back from Chang Arena stadium all having recieved AZ vaccines , They were booked with the local clinic beforehand
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: dimple joe on June 25, 2021, 01:16:45 PM
An interesting article from Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-25/wealthy-thais-head-overseas-on-coronavirus-vaccine-tours/100236796
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 17, 2021, 10:44:36 AM
CV19 numbers

Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 17, 2021, 10:59:28 AM
As I posted in the Shout box ..  just heard Surins gone Dark Red ? 7 more provinces have been categorized as ?Dark Red Zone?. They are Chonburi, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin and Ubon Ratchathani

Nothing has been confirmed 100% but I think 99.9% it will happen and if cases continue to increase in other provinces then I can see many more going Dark Red as well in the near future  :ohmy:
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 17, 2021, 11:09:19 AM
As I posted in the Shout box ..  just heard Surins gone Dark Red ? 7 more provinces have been categorized as ?Dark Red Zone?. They are Chonburi, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin and Ubon Ratchathani

Nothing has been confirmed 100% but I think 99.9% it will happen and if cases continue to increase in other provinces then I can see many more going Dark Red as well in the near future  :ohmy:


That's done it !


MAKRO Surin will be busy with panic buyers....especially if, as reported, Makro Buriram was closed because of Covid infections...


With 92 daily cases reported yesterday, Buriram is running close to the criteria for going Red...
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on July 17, 2021, 11:20:38 AM
As I posted in the Shout box ..  just heard Surins gone Dark Red ? 7 more provinces have been categorized as ?Dark Red Zone?. They are Chonburi, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin and Ubon Ratchathani

Nothing has been confirmed 100% but I think 99.9% it will happen and if cases continue to increase in other provinces then I can see many more going Dark Red as well in the near future  :ohmy:


That's done it !


MAKRO Surin will be busy with panic buyers....especially if, as reported, Makro Buriram was closed because of Covid infections...


With 92 daily cases reported yesterday, Buriram is running close to the criteria for going Red...

Many of the locals here will survive without Makro. It is quite a distance anyway.

Many of the villagers here have chickens for food and eggs, rice in the store, chilli in abundance, a big dustbin full of fermented fish, fish in the pond, rain water for drinking and some cultivate veggies.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 17, 2021, 12:00:38 PM
As I posted in the Shout box ..  just heard Surins gone Dark Red ? 7 more provinces have been categorized as ?Dark Red Zone?. They are Chonburi, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin and Ubon Ratchathani

Nothing has been confirmed 100% but I think 99.9% it will happen and if cases continue to increase in other provinces then I can see many more going Dark Red as well in the near future  :ohmy:


That's done it !


MAKRO Surin will be busy with panic buyers....especially if, as reported, Makro Buriram was closed because of Covid infections...


With 92 daily cases reported yesterday, Buriram is running close to the criteria for going Red...

Many of the locals here will survive without Makro. It is quite a distance anyway.

Many of the villagers here have chickens for food and eggs, rice in the store, chilli in abundance, a big dustbin full of fermented fish, fish in the pond, rain water for drinking and some cultivate veggies.


I am currently down at the seaside in Bang Saray...................there are more than enough food carts to keep me sustained once I have depleted my fridge and freezer.....
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 17, 2021, 05:50:17 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 17, 2021, 06:24:20 PM
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Would be nice to know if those numbers were actual case of people being ill with Covid or  asymptomatic cases were poeple have tested positive for covid ??..From reports I have read the asymptomatic numbers are about 90% -sh



Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 18, 2021, 07:25:37 AM
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Would be nice to know if those numbers were actual case of people being ill with Covid or  asymptomatic cases were poeple have tested positive for covid ??..From reports I have read the asymptomatic numbers are about 90% -sh


Reading the BEANO again Smithy................. :D


I am sure that an experienced poster such as yourself would post a link if there was a reliable source for that comment...... jumping1
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 18, 2021, 07:26:22 AM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 18, 2021, 08:38:33 AM
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Would be nice to know if those numbers were actual case of people being ill with Covid or  asymptomatic cases were poeple have tested positive for covid ??..From reports I have read the asymptomatic numbers are about 90% -sh


Reading the BEANO again Smithy................. :D


I am sure that an experienced poster such as yourself would post a link if there was a reliable source for that comment...... jumping1

Well they have set up field hospitals for those that are asymptomatic

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2048319/still-enough-beds-at-field-hospitals
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 18, 2021, 08:44:13 AM
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Would be nice to know if those numbers were actual case of people being ill with Covid or  asymptomatic cases were poeple have tested positive for covid ??..From reports I have read the asymptomatic numbers are about 90% -sh


Reading the BEANO again Smithy................. :D


I am sure that an experienced poster such as yourself would post a link if there was a reliable source for that comment...... jumping1

Well they have set up field hospitals for those that are asymptomatic

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2048319/still-enough-beds-at-field-hospitals

Also when we had 2 covid cases  in our village and 12 others were put in 14 day quarantine , On the Surin numbers for our Tambon is showed 14 cases ..so those in quarantine were added to the numbers 
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 18, 2021, 09:46:26 AM

Reading the BEANO again Smithy................. :D


I am sure that an experienced poster such as yourself would post a link if there was a reliable source for that comment...... jumping1

When I have read reports they often say .."More than 90 percent were asymptomatic,"

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/19/thailand-reports-daily-covid-record-of-more-than-500-cases

They seem to be testing  around 10,000peple a day

All I said was "  From reports I have read the asymptomatic numbers are about 90% -sh".

Do you know the true numbers ?  And are those that are said to be in hospital  , are people that are asymptomatic in field hospitals ?
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 18, 2021, 10:08:14 AM

They seem to be testing  around 10,000peple a day


     The service has a capacity of testing 10,000 people a day. Anyone who test positive and has mild symptoms will be sent into home or community isolation.

I wonder what the % are that are Asymptomatic  and if they are added to the daily figures ?

https://eng.nhso.go.th/view/1/DescriptionNews/Asymptomatic-or-Mild-symptom-COVID-19-patients-to-isolate-at-home-or-community-facilities/350/EN-US


Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 18, 2021, 12:33:51 PM
As I posted in the Shout box ..  just heard Surins gone Dark Red ? 7 more provinces have been categorized as ?Dark Red Zone?. They are Chonburi, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin and Ubon Ratchathani

Nothing has been confirmed 100% but I think 99.9% it will happen and if cases continue to increase in other provinces then I can see many more going Dark Red as well in the near future  :ohmy:

Looks like they have changed their mind about the zoning  whistle

As COVID-19 infections increase relentlessly in most of Thailand?s provinces, the Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) has added Ayutthaya, Chachoengsao and Chon Buri provinces to the ?maximum controlled and restricted? or ?Dark Red? zones.

The number of provinces classified as ?maximum controlled?, or ?Red? zones has increased to 53, leaving only 10 provinces classified as ?controlled?, or ?Orange? zones and Phuket as the only province classified as an ?under close watch? area.

The remapping of Thailand into these zones, in accordance with the COVID-19 pandemic situation, was published in the Royal Gazette today (Sunday) and will become effective on Tuesday.

The ?maximum controlled and restricted zones? now include Bangkok, Chachoengsao, Chon Buri, Nakhon Pathom, Nonthaburi, Narathiwat, Pathum Thani, Pattani, Ayutthaya, Yala, Songkhla, Samut Prakan and Samut Sakhon.

?Maximum controlled? zones now include Krabi, Kanchanaburi, Kalasin, Kamphaeng Phet, Khon Kaen, Chanthaburi, Chainat, Chaiyaphum, Chiang Rai, Chiang Mai, Trang, Trat, Tak, Nakhon Nayok, Nakhon Ratchasima, Nakhon Si Thammarat, Nakhon Sawan, Buri Ram, Prachuap Khiri Khan, Prachin Buri, Phatthalung, Phichit, Phitsanuloke, Phetchaburi, Phetchabun, Maha Sarakham, Yasothon, Roi-et, Ranong, Ratchaburi, Lop Buri, Lampang, Lamphun, Loei, Si Sa Ket, Sakhon Nakhon, Satun, Samut Songkhram, Sa Kaeo, Saraburi, Sing Buri, Sukhothai, Suphan Buri, Surin, Nong Khai, Nong Bua Lamphu, Ang Thong, Udon Thani, Uthai Thani, Uttradit, Ubon Ratchathani and Amnat Charoen.

The 10 provinces classified as ?controlled areas? are Chumpon, Nakhon Phanom, Nan, Bung Karn, Phang-nga, Phrae, Phayao, Muk Dahan, Mae Hong Son and Surat Thani.


https://www.thaipbsworld.com/ccsa-remaps-deep-red-red-orange-and-green-areas-as-covid-19-pandemic-situation-worsens/
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: dimple joe on July 18, 2021, 02:44:52 PM
I’ve heard that those annoyingly loud advertising trucks that tell of the latest 70% discount at big C, or who to vote for in an election, are all being reprogrammed.

They will soon be pumping out the sound of a hand bell and the message

นำคนตายของคุณออกมา

 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 18, 2021, 03:39:19 PM

นำคนตายของคุณออกมา

:biggrin: :biggrin:

As of the may 25th of May  there have been 4 covid deaths in Surin and 3 in Buriram, hardly dropping like flys  ::)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Thailand
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 18, 2021, 10:05:57 PM
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Would be nice to know if those numbers were actual case of people being ill with Covid or  asymptomatic cases were poeple have tested positive for covid ??..From reports I have read the asymptomatic numbers are about 90% -sh


Reading the BEANO again Smithy................. :D


I am sure that an experienced poster such as yourself would post a link if there was a reliable source for that comment...... jumping1

Just a few more links for you Coco
Lots of the testing is being done in factorys. It's where they are finding the biggest case numbers to add to their daily totals

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According to the Public Health Department the vast majority of cases in Chonburi are 18-29 year olds and are over 90 percent asymptomatic, with the remainder of cases nearly entirely mild.

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/04/16/103-cases-of-covid-19-added-in-chonburi-today-says-public-health-department/

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Health officials said most of the cases identified so far have been asymptomatic, reported Reuters news agency.

A further 360 migrant workers tested positive on Monday - the largest daily infection numbers for Covid-19 ever recorded in Thailand.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55391417

Yes the 2nd link if from the BBC so your accusation of me getting my info from the BEANO is probable closer
 to the true than you realise :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 19, 2021, 09:19:09 AM
The situation of COVID-19 infection in the country
Information since April 1, 2021

11,397 new cases
374,523 cumulative confirmed cases
256,484 people have recovered.
3,247 cumulative deaths

Data accumulated since 2020
403,386 cumulative confirmed cases
283,910 people have recovered.
Accumulated 3,341 deaths

Between February 28 - July 17, 2021

There are a total of 14,233,762 doses of vaccine recipients.

On July 16, 2021, the recipients were vaccinated.
1st vaccine shot  82,854 cases
2nd vaccine shot  10,419 cases
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Gerry on July 19, 2021, 06:41:44 PM
I?ve heard that those annoyingly loud advertising trucks that tell of the latest 70% discount at big C, or who to vote for in an election, are all being reprogrammed.

They will soon be pumping out the sound of a hand bell and the message

นำคนตายของคุณออกมา

 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1
55555

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcbR1J_4ICg
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 19, 2021, 08:06:02 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 19, 2021, 08:09:10 PM
I?ve heard that those annoyingly loud advertising trucks that tell of the latest 70% discount at big C, or who to vote for in an election, are all being reprogrammed.

They will soon be pumping out the sound of a hand bell and the message

นำคนตายของคุณออกมา

 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1 surrender1

 :biggrin:


I had to use Google Translate, just to be sure............ :)
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 20, 2021, 07:33:03 AM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 20, 2021, 09:58:50 AM
Dropping like flies in Surin . 1 death  :o

COVID-19 Situation, Surin Province (New Wave, 26 June 2021)

Information between June 26, 2021 to July 19, 2021 at 6:00 p.m.

The total number of confirmed cases is 1,799.

+130 new cases
1,279 are currently being treated
(115 field hospitals)

There are 16 infected people in the province.
- Sangkha District 7 cases
- Mueang Surin District 3 cases
- Lamduan District 3 cases
- Sikhoraphum District 1 person
- Prasat District 1 person
- Non Narai District 1 person

There are 114 infected outside the province.
- Mueang Surin District 17 cases
- Rattanaburi District 16 cases
- Sikhoraphum District 15 cases
- Prasat District 14 cases
- Chumphon Buri District 13 cases
- Lamduan District, 7 cases
- Srinarong District 5 cases
- Buached District, 5 cases
- Kap Choeng District 4 cases
- Sanom District 4 cases
- Sangkha District 3 cases
- Non Narai District 3 cases
- Tha Tum District 2 cases
- Khwao Sinrin District 2 cases
- Phanom Dong Rak District 2 cases
- Chom Phra District 1 person
- Samrong Thap District 1 person

519 total recoveries (+84 new cases)
- Mueang Surin District 21 cases
- Sangkha District 15 cases
- Chumphon Buri District 10 cases
- Tha Tum District 9 cases
- Sikhoraphum District 8 cases
- Samrong Thap District, 5 cases
- Chom Phra District 4 cases
- Khwao Sinrin District 4 cases
- Phanom Dong Rak District 3 cases
- Srinarong District 2 cases
- Prasat District 2 cases
- Rattanaburi District 1 person

1 cumulative death (0 new cases)

Information as of 19 July 2021
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 21, 2021, 11:59:58 AM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 21, 2021, 03:17:58 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 21, 2021, 08:05:43 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 22, 2021, 02:55:28 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 23, 2021, 03:17:16 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: fishsauce on July 23, 2021, 05:20:14 PM
I was staggered by this article in the Bangkok Post which referred to the cancelation of the Moto GP later in the year.
According to the Tourism & Sports minister,  there was now NO NEED to rush the reopening of Buriram which had been due to receive international tourists around the time of the race.

This I understand to mean that up to this point, they had been accelerating the vaccination of Buriram residents.

The article then goes on to say that as of July 7th 19% of the Buriram population had been vaccinated (about 300000 doses) which they thought was very good.
Now according to the article vaccine will be redirected to more deserving locations.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2153567/buri-rams-jab-priority-eases (https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2153567/buri-rams-jab-priority-eases)



Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 24, 2021, 02:52:44 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 25, 2021, 11:25:56 AM
Peter McCullough, MD testifies to Texas Senate HHS Committee...worth a watch

http://youtu.be/QAHi3lX3oGM
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: fishy on July 25, 2021, 12:07:56 PM
Very interesting video.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 25, 2021, 05:55:38 PM
Expect the numbers to go up ...  ::)

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/phetchabun-chicken-processing-plant-sees-over-3000-infections
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 25, 2021, 06:27:19 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on July 26, 2021, 03:35:55 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 29, 2021, 01:12:29 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 31, 2021, 09:32:32 AM
From Pattaya News    https://www.facebook.com/Thepattayanews/

Rayong governor releases letter in English, rejects Chonburi or Bangkok style closures due to rising Covid-19 cases, says why should we destroy the economy and close thousands of businesses, putting tens of thousands out of work, over cases (mostly asymptomatic) in factories and markets? For now, Rayong will keep most business open, unlike Chonburi. Your thoughts? Is this the right approach?


I wonder if the Rayong Governor has been reading any of my posts  :biggrin:

Also something I saw yesterday below ...I like to read the comments

http://youtu.be/VoFSUYz5ZcY
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on July 31, 2021, 11:21:08 AM
For those that have 75mins to spare .. An interesting conversation

The Conversation the Media Buried - but it will Never Die!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1sv8RUO-t0
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on August 04, 2021, 11:55:34 AM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on August 04, 2021, 01:47:09 PM
Numbers plummeting.....

Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on August 04, 2021, 02:36:01 PM
Numbers plummeting.....

Not in Surin  :(

A few family members coming home for some of the local villagers and they are all under a 14 day quarantine with tape around their house and notices put up ....yellow stars for their shirts coming soon !!
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on August 04, 2021, 03:00:07 PM
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2141283/study-into-whether-animal-drug-can-treat-covid
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on August 05, 2021, 10:38:48 PM
I wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the pandemic fun thread  :blink:

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/photos/a.10151767958672050/10158171485267050/
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on August 09, 2021, 05:07:25 PM
Thailand?s Department of Health advises people wear face masks during sex 

Thailand's Department of Health has come up with nine measures to limit the spread of Covid-19 through sexual practices.
Couples and lovers should refrain from face to face contact and wear face masks.
There should be no kissing or oral sex, no group sex and cleanliness should be a priority.
The departmental rep responsible for sanitation and sex Dr Pheerayuth Sanugoon spoke to Daily News at the weekend after a young prostitute in Kanchanaburi tested positive raising concerns of a cluster.
Dr Pheerayuth said the issue of safe sex practices was especially important during the pandemic as the consequences for people, their partners and society in general can be serious.
People waiting on a test result should refrain from all sex, for example, and all pay-for-play should be avoided.
Indeed, sex with strangers at parties could constitute an illegal gathering and be prosecuted under Article 9 of the emergency decree. That means fines and even prison.
Restrictions are in place stopping gatherings.
Dr Pheerayuth said that husbands and wives and lovers could still have sex, but they needed to follow nine protocols, which included washing hands and body with lots of soap before and after sex and no kissing or sharing of saliva as this has been shown to contain the virus.
Wearing a cloth mask over a surgical mask covering nose and mouth securely was also advised, as practicing safe sex such as wearing a condom reported Sanook.

https://www.dailynews.co.th/news/138723/

Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: ChuckNorris on August 09, 2021, 11:17:05 PM
Thailand?s Department of Health advises people wear face masks during sex 

Thailand's Department of Health has come up with nine measures to limit the spread of Covid-19 through sexual practices.
Couples and lovers should refrain from face to face contact and wear face masks.
There should be no kissing or oral sex, no group sex and cleanliness should be a priority.
The departmental rep responsible for sanitation and sex Dr Pheerayuth Sanugoon spoke to Daily News at the weekend after a young prostitute in Kanchanaburi tested positive raising concerns of a cluster.
Dr Pheerayuth said the issue of safe sex practices was especially important during the pandemic as the consequences for people, their partners and society in general can be serious.
People waiting on a test result should refrain from all sex, for example, and all pay-for-play should be avoided.
Indeed, sex with strangers at parties could constitute an illegal gathering and be prosecuted under Article 9 of the emergency decree. That means fines and even prison.
Restrictions are in place stopping gatherings.
Dr Pheerayuth said that husbands and wives and lovers could still have sex, but they needed to follow nine protocols, which included washing hands and body with lots of soap before and after sex and no kissing or sharing of saliva as this has been shown to contain the virus.
Wearing a cloth mask over a surgical mask covering nose and mouth securely was also advised, as practicing safe sex such as wearing a condom reported Sanook.

https://www.dailynews.co.th/news/138723/

Would masks have the same effect as the good old fashioned " beer goggles"?  party4 ;D

I would think they would advise condoms too. Seems to be a rising number of teenage pregnancies, if my wife's village is anything to go by.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on August 10, 2021, 11:21:52 AM
I think may have I posted this before somewhere   eusadance
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on August 12, 2021, 08:35:07 AM
Covid blame game spreads like a virus in Thailand
Political squabbling spikes with rising infections and deaths as kingdom shifts from Covid success story to cautionary tale

https://asiatimes.com/2021/08/covid-blame-game-spreads-like-a-virus-in-thailand/
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on September 02, 2021, 09:54:10 AM
Even those who are totally bored with Covid should have a look at this video - even just the first 7 minutes as it does repeat itself a bit after that.


 (courtesy of Bandersnatch on SF)


https://youtu.be/JhRb5hnTseU (https://youtu.be/JhRb5hnTseU)
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on September 02, 2021, 12:37:16 PM
Even those who are totally bored with Covid should have a look at this video - even just the first 7 minutes as it does repeat itself a bit after that.


 (courtesy of Bandersnatch on SF)


https://youtu.be/JhRb5hnTseU (https://youtu.be/JhRb5hnTseU)

I watch Dr John Campbell all the time and have posted some on here !! I watched the one above yesterday . I agree with 95% of what he says but ....

#1 ..How do they know the vaccine prevented 60,000 deaths and 66,900 hospitalisations? How do they know this number and can you really rely on a pandemic surveillance model which have been prooved to be wrong many times  ?  .People could get covid and become  asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms!! Its a figure they can pump out with no way of anyone proving they are right or wrong !!!

#2 It seems that millions could have had covid and don't even know they have had it or just thought they had a cold . I was led to believe that if you have had covid that you are  as safe as a vaccinated person.But WHO are now saying " After getting COVID, people do get an immune response, but this varies from person to person and it depends on whether you had a mild infection or whether you had more severe infection. And we know from many studies now that if you've had a very mild or asymptomatic infection, then many people may have very low levels of antibodies that they form. So this is why we still recommend that even if you've had COVID infection, that you should go ahead and take the vaccination when it's available to you, because the vaccine then serves as a boost to the immune system."

#3 .They are now saying what I have been saying for months .Stop testing people and only test those that have symptoms  and just let people get on with their lives ..As Dr J has said and other experts that sooner or later everyone will get covid .It's something that is here and we are just going to have to learn to live with it like we have done with Flu and the 100's of other viruses that can affect us on a daily basis. AIso I have also said for a long time the Governments should be promoting healthy diets , exercises and vitamins to boost people's immune systems .NOT offering kids ,pop or McD's if they have the jab  ffs !!!

I have registered with https://expatvac.consular.go.th/ and if I am offered the vaccine MY CHOOSING  ( I won't be getting the chinese one for sure ) I will be getting it or I will get vaccinated on my next trip to Pattaya ..Covid still doesn't scare me in any way and as soon as the powers that be say I can travel I will be getting my life back to normal . 
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on September 02, 2021, 04:59:04 PM
Pfizer Is Now Developing A Twice-Per-Day COVID Pill That Must Be Taken Alongside Vaccines .. click here  (https://nationalfile.com/pfizer-is-now-developing-a-twice-per-day-covid-pill-that-must-be-taken-alongside-vaccines/)

Get your jab.
Get your second jab.
Get your booster jab.
Take your pills twice daily.
This is the 'new normal'  ::)
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on September 02, 2021, 07:26:55 PM
  ..Covid still doesn't scare me in any way and as soon as the powers that be say I can travel I will be getting my life back to normal .


You should fear Covid. It can kill. The law of averages say s it won't, but it has. Life is not something to gamble with.



Your comment smacks of an arrogance that I would not associate with you. I have always said that I respect the right of someone to decline the vaccine.



I have no sympathy for anyone who is offered a vaccine (Pfizer or others), does not take it and subsequently gets Covid and, in the worst case scenario, dies.

Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on September 03, 2021, 07:46:39 AM
Below is an interesting Opinion piece from the BMJ and a You Tube I saw months ago thats worth watching. There is also a 2nd Youtube with the same Dr. Pierre Kory but its nearly an hour long so maybe a bit long for some !!!

Are we losing our humanity in medicine?s quest for pure science? ...click here  (https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/09/02/are-we-losing-our-humanity-in-medicines-quest-for-pure-science/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2SudsbW_2M&t=600s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GAIA8Ml328
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: fishy on September 03, 2021, 09:14:44 PM
Wow. The UK is sending 4 million Pfizer to Ozz. Singapore throwing in 500K and Poland throwing in 1 mill Astra.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-03/covid-19-vaccine-swap-pfizer-four-million-doses-from-uk/100431828
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: gotlost on September 04, 2021, 06:46:47 AM
No more Sinovac
Thailand to mix and match AstraZeneca, Pfizer doses boxingguy boxingguy boxingguy
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2176103/thailand-to-mix-and-match-astrazeneca-pfizer-doses
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on September 04, 2021, 10:02:18 AM
No more Sinovac iconurgent iconurgent iconurgent   


CoCo say's " I have no sympathy for anyone who is offered a vaccine (Pfizer or others), does not take it and subsequently gets Covid and, in the worst case scenario, dies.  ::)


Some people !!!  .....they will drink methylated spirits if their drink of choice is not available or a plastic back if their are no condoms . It may well work but is it worth it   :laugh:

https://thediplomat.com/2021/07/malaysia-to-phase-out-chinas-sinovac-vaccine/
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on September 04, 2021, 04:03:51 PM
TIMCAST

Pfizer Announces Twice Daily Pills To Fight COVID, Says You Need Vaccine AND Pills, It'll NEVER End

https://rumble.com/vm1ffq-pfizer-announces-twice-daily-pills-to-fight-covid-says-you-need-vaccine-and.html
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: ChuckNorris on September 04, 2021, 06:47:31 PM
TIMCAST

Pfizer Announces Twice Daily Pills To Fight COVID, Says You Need Vaccine AND Pills, It'll NEVER End

https://rumble.com/vm1ffq-pfizer-announces-twice-daily-pills-to-fight-covid-says-you-need-vaccine-and.html

I haven't read this article as the first one you posted, relating to Pfizer pills, did state the pills would be used in case of a positive test AND symptoms. They are to be used as an alternative treatment to hospitalization.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on September 06, 2021, 06:51:46 PM
I have also said for a long time the Governments should be promoting healthy diets , exercises and vitamins to boost people's immune systems

I remember over a year ago BBC reporting    "The UK prime minister is set to announce new measures to curb obesity next week, and they are expected to include a ban on TV junk food adverts before 21:00.
It comes amid growing evidence people who are overweight or obese are at greater risk from coronavirus." (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53522492)

The trouble is , Boris talks the talk but never walks the walk ( Like most politicians )  I guess nothing became of it  ::)

In many cases people die from Covid because their immune system isn't working that well ,mainy due to Old Age , Obesity , Diabetes or some other underlying health issue.
So if you are overweight or have Type 2 Diabetes have a serious think about making a few life changes as the Vaxx alone might not be enough to save you.... the last thing you want is a cytokine storm :o

Here a link that explaind how covid kills many people ...  https://now.tufts.edu/articles/how-body-battles-covid-19
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on September 08, 2021, 06:52:54 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: gotlost on September 09, 2021, 07:02:32 AM
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How many are Sinovac.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on September 09, 2021, 08:43:45 AM
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How many are Sinovac

Even though Sinovac wouldn't be my vaccine of choice it has be aproved by WHO  and I guess your troll post will be removed/edited again like the last one  ::)

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/2137283/who-confirms-sinovac-thailand-proceeds-as-planned-with-100-million-doses-by-end-of-year
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Mod on September 09, 2021, 01:34:57 PM
Please not use the bad words about Sinovac vaccine. We know some don't like it but not Chinese people fault.

Please remember many Thai people, me too, have family is from China before. Make bad words is not kind.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: secosteve on September 09, 2021, 03:47:03 PM
Maybe people are sceptical about Sinovac but as said previous it is approved by the WHO, albeit for emergency use, but something is better than nothing and a booster can be injected later.
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on September 09, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
Please not use the bad words about Sinovac vaccine. We know some don't like it but not Chinese people fault.

Please remember many Thai people, me too, have family is from China before. Make bad words is not kind.

Thank you.


+1
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on September 09, 2021, 06:01:23 PM
Please not use the bad words about Sinovac vaccine. We know some don't like it but not Chinese people fault.

Please remember many Thai people, me too, have family is from China before. Make bad words is not kind.

Thank you.


+1

+2

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion on a vaccine but twice Gotlost posted a derogatory term for the Sinovac vaccine and twice it was removed by Mod . He then went and posted it again in the shoutbox after the deletions. He may get away with that sort of thing on SF where it is a closed forum ( obviously racism isn't a problem for their moderators )  but not on open forums like BE . I'm sure Asean Now ( old Thaivisa Forum ) wouldn't put up with it either . Seems strange Gotlost has done this seeing he was so easily offended when some SF members posted a few light hearted jokes  about a Thai Lady Farmer friend and where she gots her workers .  ::)
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on September 13, 2021, 01:40:25 PM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on September 16, 2021, 07:25:44 AM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on September 17, 2021, 08:04:45 AM
An Opinion piece by Codrin Stavri , Romanian persecuted

10 Reasons Why the Panic-demic Will Be Over in a Year


The Covid-related moral panic and authoritarian measures will be gone in a year.

I normally don't make predictions but when I do, I give a timeline for people to be able to fact-check me later. As such, I have been convinced to believe that by next year the maddening song of the pandemic hysteria will be over. At least here in Europe.

I was a bit on the fence about this. They had me in the first half, not going to lie. But after the UK went one-eighty, and after Denmark did the same, I am beginning to come around.

Here are the main reasons why I think this.


1. Muh Far-Right Rising, the blockbuster film

Fringe parties that would never have been anywhere near power are now rising in the polls. You can see this in Canada with the rise of the People's Party of Canada, in Romania with the Alliance for the Union of Romanians, and in Denmark as Mette Frederiksen wants to be re-elected.

It's gotten to the point where you can be as charismatic as Greta Thunberg and have a political party with only one issue - claiming that you will be a tiny bit reactionary on the lockdowns and vaccine passports - and you will easily win 15-30% of the vote depending on which country you're in.

For all you Americans reading, 15-30% is more than enough to annoy the establishment in a multi-party system. They will have a hard time forming governments, as it will be difficult to get a majority and decide on a prime minister, they will have to form alliances with people that they normally would not have and then start giving concessions. And that?s the last thing the establishment wants; in addition to giving the spotlight to the ?fringe? parties which now become mainstream and start messing with the Overton window.


2. The panic-demic never really took hold in Eastern Europe

Sure, we had lockdowns. Yes, we had the media going a tad hysterical because it's good for clicks. But this year, no one really bought "the scare" except in the big cities.

Here in Romania, anyone who travels around the country and turns off the TV knows the pandemic is the last thing people care about - unless you're in some of the larger cities. People not only do not talk about it anymore as they did last year, or mention it, but in my region, they don't even mask up; and the police aren't telling people anything even though by law they should.

I even saw concerts where people had to go in masked up and show PCRs and even though those were the rules, the pictures of the concerts showed a completely different story.

More and more law-abiding citizens use the mask as a "chin diaper" in the hopes that the police officer or the mall guard that feels extra vigilant and goes far beyond the call of duty, pointing out the person should cover his face in shame, will make them have to just lift it up rather than going through the inconvenience of reaching for it in their pocket.

In other words, this didn't go down with a bang but it went down with a whimper; and it will be very difficult to convince these people who can barely pay for heating during the winter season (thank you, carbon tax) that their unvaccinated neighbour is their biggest concern.

They will laugh at you and say that the winter cold in Eastern Europe kills faster than Covid and they haven't figured out how to pay for the heating in December yet. The bad news is that they're kinda right. In other words, it's true that people embrace fascism when they are afraid, but here in Eastern Europe, they are more afraid of running out of food and heat than they are of missing out on the Fauci Ouchie?.


3. Individual countries set the tone for the whole orchestra

Right now, the pandemic volume is somewhere between Denmark, where the music is gone, and Israel, where it plays the loudest. There is the exception of Australia which is like a drunk clown playing a cacophony at the violin and everyone pretends not to notice.

I assume the music is going to be more aligned with Denmark soon before dying out.

We do live in a globalist world after all, and even people that disagreed with libertarians last year are starting to come around and notice the data for themselves.

There is only so much the mainstream/social media industrial complex can do with their "war on noticing" before the average Joe starts to wonder why he has to put up with the fascist shtaco when other nations are not and yet they have similar death rates.


4. The check must be paid when the music stops

Unfortunately, it's true. Most of the people who will forward the bill for the music will be the doctors. When the economic crisis hits, it will hit hard. People will look for someone to blame. And the politicians are going to put the blame on the doctors, because they can, and they will.

This will cause a drop in public trust. Politicians will not be shy to start doing budget cuts (and from Eastern Europe, I can tell you that the two places the government loves to cut the most are schooling and hospitals). This time around, this might be the case outside Eastern Europe too.

I do want to say that there might be an exception with the UK, as they have created what appears to be the "cult of the NHS". But it?s also unironically a place where the medical establishment is "dear white people-ing" the public and wants you to be uncomfortable. As such, this is something way too bizarre for me to be able to make a prediction on. It's like predicting what would happen if a Marxist suddenly developed compassion and empathy for his fellow man. Such things don't have a precedent and as such are out of my area of expertise.

It's also going to be difficult to reconcile between family members who stopped talking to each other during this time. Imagine if a daughter told her mother that she is literally killing her by not getting the vaccine and then broke up all contact.

How do you ever come back from that?


5. The LOL-suits are coming

So far, in most nations, some victories in court have been had. Almost every lawsuit against fascistic measures has been won in court in many nations across Europe and even in the US. I am sure that you, dear reader, may be aware of some lawsuits that took place in your country as well - though most of them did not get as much media coverage, as healthy lawsuits are unhealthy for ratings. But trust me, they did happen and more will most likely come. Especially in the US, people who are getting fired are going to sue.

In fact, there might be an entire industry that is going to be born out of this, an industry ran entirely by lawyers and judicial advisors.

This isn't financial advice or anything but now is the worst time in human history to short sell law firms - and let?s just leave it at that.


6. Protests will get worse until they get better

If you look on social media, you will notice that in France alone, there were over 160 thousand people on the street last weekend.

Videos with police officers bullying grandma "for her own health" don't look good for the camera, and they do go viral on social media, despite the fact that the MSM nervously whistle as they look the other way.

However, as I mentioned before, the economic crisis is coming. People will get fired, wages docked, austerity measures introduced, and so forth. If now, it?s people with a job who take to the streets, what do you think will happen when people are alone in their homes, hungry and have no electricity or gas to heat up the place? Such a person might decide to warm up by taking a stroll down the boulevard with his 999999 friends.


7. The US is a weird case

While in the US, the panic-demic lines are drawn along the state lines and political affiliation, the reality is that Pfizer might genuinely drag America out of the economic crisis.

Vaccines are free only in the mind of the leftist. Unfortunately, the rest of us are normal people and we do not live in la-la land as such, we know it's being paid out of the taxpayers? pockets. And with Pfizer making obscene levels of money with booster shots and countries buying the vaccines hand over fist, it will be very interesting to see the high-score tax returns.

To put it bluntly, Pfizer did what GlaxoSmithKline tried in 2009 and failed (Google it).

As such, even some Republicans in the US will like it if the music keeps going just a bit more. It's why I wasn't surprised when Trump told people a few weeks ago to take the vaccine and he got booed on stage. He knew it wouldn't be popular with his base but he said it anyway because the economy was always his primary concern. Therefore, I predict in the states the mandates will die off but the media will keep the hysteria even after the music stops.

The rift between citizens will become even wider than in Europe and ?Are you up to date with the vaccines?? will become the new "Do you believe trans women are women?" - with similar consequences if answered incorrectly.


8. The biggest damage will be to the government's credibility

I know people forget easily. The average memory of a person lasts roughly from the moment their business is shut down until the next BLM rally. But the economic crisis that will follow will remind them constantly about the panic-demic. It will be similar to a rat that is getting an electric shock every 5 seconds to be deprived of sleep.

The anti-vax movement will grow further due to the way the government handled this, and we are talking about full-on medical scepticism where people who have gotten the flu shot before are now going to raise three crosses at you and spit over his shoulder three times before telling you to get out at the mere suggestion that they should vaccinate their beloved pet cat.

More people will believe exactly the opposite of what the media will tell them, even if the media will be telling the truth.

Which, in turn, will, of course, cause more censorship.

Because the one lesson I learned from this is that the media doesn't learn any lesson. They are too arrogant and they refuse to believe that persuading people is better than censoring them; and that you will never get 100% of people agreeing with you. They will keep denying that there is a moment where it?s better to just cut your losses and leave with what you have than go all in and lose even the little you have left.


9. The Covid passports are redundant in Europe

While the Americans don't enjoy playing "papers please" and neither do the Brits, we Europeans do it on a daily basis since the day we were born.

In many European nations, we need to show IDs even to use a public toilet. And an ID is even required if you want to start a mobile phone subscription. A phone which then carries a "tracking chip" that is turned on by default whenever you use Google Maps.

As such, a Covid pass is not only redundant, but it serves no purpose besides solving the ?took the Fauci Ouchie and forgot to take a selfie? problem. The idea that this will be a universal passport to track people and see their carbon emissions so they can be taxed later as fringe voices on the internet suggest is nothing but a pipe dream that the World Economic Forum is telling people.

In Europe, you already have an ID attached to your phone that also works as a passport. There really is no need for a second paper that most people protest against anyway.


10. The mask will most likely be the last to go

While it is annoying people, the mask is not annoying them as much as the Covid pass or the lockdowns. Most people view it as a negotiation between them and the authorities - as a "Fine, I?ll wear it if you don't lock down my business" type of deal. As such, people do not protest against it, or at least don't protest in large enough numbers.

Furthermore, there are people that genuinely like wearing it, as shocking as that may be. Women, for example, who don't have to use makeup, prefer it. And to be honest, I kinda like seeing the Mileenas and Kitanas walking down the street.

There are also those people whose only pleasure in their life is to moan at others for not wearing it. The government removing this last joy in their life would seem like a cruel and unusual punishment.

More importantly, there is still a bit of cash to be made here and in a time of crisis, every penny counts. In other words, the government can order 3-4 more warehouses of them, irrespective of whether people will actually wear them or whether they are up to standard (notice how the quality of them never gets brought up in the media anymore as it used to at the beginning of the pandemic). I assume countries will keep buying and pushing this as much as possible until people just stop wearing them as they do here in Eastern Europe and cops will not bother to enforce the mandates. Then, the government will just say "ok, we're lifting the mask mandates" and act like it's through their grace and benevolence that you can show your mug in public again and have people see your bad British teeth as you're smiling.

https://www.lotuseaters.com/10-reasons-why-the-panic-demic-will-be-over-in-a-year-14-09-2021
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: Smithy on September 28, 2021, 12:13:04 PM
CCSA issues 4-phase roadmap for reopening of provinces

www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40006708
Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on October 14, 2021, 07:43:17 AM
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Title: Re: Covid19 in Thailand
Post by: CO-CO on October 15, 2021, 06:17:17 AM
The changes to Thailand's entry requirements are summed up in the following post taken from ASEAN forum (Scouse123).


When I have looked at the matter closely, I don't think what Thailand is asking is particularly a bad deal. OK, They want double vaccinated tourists, a test before flying and a PCR test on landing and probably a wait of 24 hours to get the all clear.

 

The UK is allowing us in as double vaccinated without quarantine and no need to take a test on leaving Thailand but we must have a test on or before day 2. If positive, it's 10 days home isolation.

 

It has been announced today in the UK, that the expensive PCR is being replaced by the far cheaper lateral flow tests from October 24th, which is more good news for those destined for UK, however, you must have filled out a passenger locator form before being allowed to travel and have your test booked for Day 2, or you cannot complete the online form without this test booked and paid for.

 

This doesn't strike me as being very different from the COE terms which are to be replaced by the Thailand Pass scheme.

 

We then have the issue of Covid19 insurance, which hardly affects me as I buy annual insurance for LOS and that includes Covid19.

 

If anybody was to test positive and be required to enter quarantine in Thailand, better it is in Bumrungrad hospital or similar, with top class facilities in which case the price of the extra insurance premium would be money well spent.

 

I think in the UK these days expats and Thai visitors as well as all other foreign visitors do not have access to the NHS system with the exception of A and E, so they would be advised to have travel insurance anyway in these uncertain times.

 

The last point and this would and will be a sticking point for many, is the delay in opening up areas of entertainment and beer bars as well as restaurant facilities. All these are mostly open in Europe and the UK. However, our vaccine programmes are further down the line.

 

We can see what is happening here in Thailand and they are making it obvious, they are desperate to open the country because tourism is on its knees, but their vaccination programme is so far behind, that these types of venues where large crowds can gather, such as concerts and live events are potential flashpoints for the rapid spread of the Covid virus.

 

There is no answer to that except to speed up vaccinations, You can't have your cake and eat it.

 

All in all, I think it isn't that bad a deal to start opening the country and its certainly enough to tempt me back to the air. Unless disaster strikes  today, I will take my flight from ' hold ' to ' pay balance ' this Saturday and fly at the beginning of next month.